Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[Blade6119]

Well my ex-wife tought me two very important things for me to keep in mind in WW games..

1) Sometimes you cant get everyone to agree with you or acknowledge you are right
2) Sometimes those that you trust the most are out to lynch you..

lol :)
I hear ya alan...i hear ya all to well...ill try to trust you, but you gotta play long lol...you know how to earn my trust lol

[Blade6119]

dola, that was a joke

[hoopsguy]

Post #1102

[Swaggs]

Looks like no tiebreaker tonight for me.

Hope I don't get killed in my sleep.

[Blade6119]

Post #1102
Yes, it looks suspicious. Since i think we both see the same thing alan, suns move do look very odd. his votes today even more so, and they voted far apart on day 1

[Alan T]

I hear ya alan...i hear ya all to well...ill try to trust you, but you gotta play long lol...you know how to earn my trust lol


Well my messages tonight are more than just trust in game, its more about the fact that I enjoy having you in the game. If everyone played the same style, the games would be boring. If you dont fully trust me in game, its ok its just a game to me, but hopefully gamewise I'll be able to make you trust me more as we go on here. Most importantly to me though is that you understand that we enjoy having you in the game even if we sometimes have different game agendas :)

[Blade6119]

Well my messages tonight are more than just trust in game, its more about the fact that I enjoy having you in the game. If everyone played the same style, the games would be boring. If you dont fully trust me in game, its ok its just a game to me, but hopefully gamewise I'll be able to make you trust me more as we go on here. Most importantly to me though is that you understand that we enjoy having you in the game even if we sometimes have different game agendas :)
I really do appreciate that buddy. Ive always thoroughly enjoyed playing with you, and i hope in future games you and i can be have complimentary roles

[Blade6119]

Are we having a lynch tonight? Like i saw we had a tie, but whats coming of it?

[PackerFanatic]

I stated I wasn't going to vote tonight, due to the fact that I am just coming in and really don't feel like reading 1000 posts to try and catch up (I just don't have the time for that) It is hard enough to keep up with you animals!

[Desnudo]

Looks like we'll be waiting until tomorrow. I had my death throes speech all ready too.

[path12]

welcome aboard path!, and glad to know the others didnt get you Ardent! :)

Thanks, glad to be here. I've been out of town and haven't read anything past the signups so don't be surprised if I'm sort of quiet while catching up with things in both this game and work.

Of course, any brief synopses anyone feels like giving would be a big help! :D

[kingfc22]

Thanks, glad to be here. I've been out of town and haven't read anything past the signups so don't be surprised if I'm sort of quiet while catching up with things in both this game and work.

Of course, any brief synopses anyone feels like giving would be a big help! :DWALT!!!

There, I think you are caught up now.

[path12]

WALT!!!

There, I think you are caught up now.

Sweet! You just saved me 26 pages!

[Poli]

Results shortly after I scan the 1000 posts or so. ;)

[Coder]

Ugh.. I actually dreamt I logged in here and voted last night, then realizing I was taking a WW-break... it's bad when you realize you have dreams about this stuff :)

/back to work

[Blade6119]

Ugh.. I actually dreamt I logged in here and voted last night, then realizing I was taking a WW-break... it's bad when you realize you have dreams about this stuff :)

/back to work
lol coder...the anti-hoops, voting for players not even playing

[Blade6119]

Results shortly after I scan the 1000 posts or so. ;)
Cool cool buddy...by the way, why are you never on aim anymore? How else can i make fun of you?

[Poli]

It seemed like the day lasted 72 hours. Arguments were made for nearly half the camp to be one of the Others. Tempers and fights flared up. Questions of who, if anyone, was guarding Mr. Wednesday's jail cell.

As the sun began to set, it was clear someone had to be placed in the cell for the good of the camp. A show of hands led to a tie between McKerney and Desnudo. Recount after recount, the results were still the same.

Finally, it is decided to have both go to the cell, when a gunshot rings out. McKerney crumples to the ground, bleeding from a chest wound. Desnudo and the rest of the survivors drop to the ground looking for the shooter. Finally, some of the survivors turn to see Desmond with the smoking gun. Desmond opens his hand and drops the pistol, and then falls to his knees in the sand.

The survivors split quickly, some to attend to McKerney, others to grab Desmond and Desnudo. Some stand just watching, and others just run off.

McKerney in near death, and it's apparent he'll die soon. He keeps trying to direct someone to do things to save his life, but McKerney is losing too much blood. Finally, McKerney has a small bottle of Jack Daniels taken from his pocket and downs it to try to relieve the pain. He dies just moments later.

In light of the circumstances, Desnudo is never taken to the cell. The gun is confiscated. Desmond just sits in the sand watching McKerney.

Day 2 has ended. Day 2 night actions are due by 3pm CST, but are encouraged to be entered ASAP, so we can maintain a 9 or 10 pm CST deadline for Day 3 actions.

[mckerney]

Well, that's why the Sox will never win the Series.

[Raiders Army]

Hmmm...a few things from this. I can't think of who mckerney would be. I would guess that he was an unnamed survivor. Desmond's actions with the write up tend to make me believe he is also good, since he seemed to have some remorse, which none of the others had (at least what they showed on the show).

List of characters who killed someone else with a gun:

1. Charlie killed Ethan. Charlie's dead, soooo...
2. Sawyer was shot by an other at the end of season one, but he lived, soooo....
3. Ana Lucia killed Shannon. The only thing there was that she showed no remorse for her actions.

[Raiders Army]

dola,

dibs on Desnudo's gun.

[Blade6119]

With that, that prob means mckerney was bodyguard protected on night one

[Desmond]

Sawyer shot and killed someone. He had to do it. The guy was already good as dead.

[Raiders Army]

Sawyer shot and killed someone. He had to do it. The guy was already good as dead.
Hmmm...I seem to have forgotten about Sawyer. Didn't he shoot someone (Sawyer?) in his backstory? It was in Season 1, but that one wouldn't quite fit, since he hasn't shot anyone on the island yet.

[Celeval]

McKerney in near death, and it's apparent he'll die soon. He keeps trying to direct someone to do things to save his life, but McKerney is losing too much blood. Finally, McKerney has a small bottle of Jack Daniels taken from his pocket and downs it to try to relieve the pain. He dies just moments later.
I really hope that doesn't mean mckerney was Jack. (Although Jack had vodka in his pocket)

[Raiders Army]

I really hope that doesn't mean mckerney was Jack. (Although Jack had vodka in his pocket)
When was that? I don't remember that from the show.

[Blade6119]

Who was jack?

[Celeval]

When was that? I don't remember that from the show.
I forget when he used it - on the marshall, maybe? It was shown in one of his flashbacks.. maybe the first Jack-centric episode, where he has a drink, and flirts a bit with the stewardess about the drink not being strong enough... she slips him two of the single vodka bottles. He puts one in the drink and drops the other in his pocket.

It's useful at some point, but I forget when.

[Celeval]

Who was jack?
De facto leader of camp 1 (in addition to Locke), the doctor.

[Blade6119]

dola, that is now two days in a row i have said that i felt a person had a special human role(the only two players i have said that about), and both times they got lynched....AND NO ONE SEEMS TO CATCH ON TO WHAT THE WOLVES ARE DOING

[Blade6119]

in humor to my above comment,

Alan has a special human role...

Telling you someone is good gets them killed, bad and they live...so im trying it your way now

[hoopsguy]

Jack had vodka in his pocket back from the season opener - had gotten a boost for his weak drink. Used the vodka to treat a wound (his own, from the initial crash).

Sawyer never shot anyone in the story where they revealed him as a con man. But since I'm only through the first dozen episodes I don't know if he shoots anyone in the 2nd half of Season 1.

So should we assume that Desmond was the tie-breaker (he did vote for mckerney)? Perhaps the duke (seems less likely)?

Desmond, care to indicate if you got a 'simple survivor' PM or something besides that? I think that would be a clue in terms of identifying whether there are "unknown survivors" or if everyone will have some character identification in death.

[hoopsguy]

McKerney in near death, and it's apparent he'll die soon. He keeps trying to direct someone to do things to save his life
That doesn't look good. mckerney said that he had a small part, so I can't imagine he was Jack. But what other chracter would direct someone to do things to save his life? Maybe the Korean woman, who has had some minor medical knowledge?

There is nothing in the way he died that indicates to me that mckerney was the bodyguard. But it doesn't make sense to me that the bodyguard would have protected him on Night 1.

[hoopsguy]

Trying to find the post where he said that he only had a minor role - am I mixing him up with Desnudo at this point? Still searching ...

[Blade6119]

That doesn't look good. mckerney said that he had a small part, so I can't imagine he was Jack. But what other chracter would direct someone to do things to save his life? Maybe the Korean woman, who has had some minor medical knowledge?

There is nothing in the way he died that indicates to me that mckerney was the bodyguard. But it doesn't make sense to me that the bodyguard would have protected him on Night 1.
I just know he was protected...i dont by if it was by a bodyguard, but if he was tending to wounds(doctor role it sounds like, which is usually bodyguard) i dont know. Is it not possible that he was the doctor(he knew how to help himself...in show used alcholol to help his wound...)Doctor=bodyguard in these games, and if he was it makes sense why he was protected...he protected himself night 1(a common bodyguard move)

[Blade6119]

Trying to find the post where he said that he only had a minor role - am I mixing him up with Desnudo at this point? Still searching ...
I said i had a minor role....i can gurantee 80% of the players in this game have bluffed at least one

[hoopsguy]

It was Desnudo who said he had a minor role in post #1176. So that changes things ...

Up to this point the only guy I can recall seeing with a mini-bottle was Jack.

Could AE have been cute by making the bottle "Jack" Daniels?

[hoopsguy]

I'm hoping for a quick turnaround on night actions, but this early in the game I'm guessing that is unlikely. I doubt that 9PM CST will be the deadline for Day 3, so it seems like there is a good chance we will have some extended play on Day 3. Which may work out well for those of us who need to spend some time with the wife/"significant other" on Valentines Day.

And no, Mrs Hoopsguy is not an other, nor am I an other by association :)

[Celeval]

Sawyer never shot anyone in the story where they revealed him as a con man. But since I'm only through the first dozen episodes I don't know if he shoots anyone in the 2nd half of Season 1.
Sawyer shot the marshall on the island (but didn't kill him outright).

Sawyer also shot... someone in one of his con artist flashbacks. The second one? It's the reason he went to Australia, and it turned out he was being played the whole time. Same episode when he met Jack's dad.

Sawyer: "I never killed a man."
Kate: *drinks*
Sawyer: *drinks*

...or something like that.

[hoopsguy]

Haven't seen that episode yet where he meets Jack's dad, although I've seen references to it on some of the message boards.

That's right on the marshall - but he wasn't a very good shot. I was initially trying to recall how the marshall was wounded (during the crash) but Sawyer went in to do a "mercy kill" and shot him in the chest. And, as noted earlier, he definitely shoots the polar bear.

But ... but .. but I thought that SnDvls was Sawyer because he said "freckles" a few times! :rolleyes:

[spleen1015]

Since AE's narrative shows Desnudo and Desmond hanging out with the survivors, does that make them 'simple survivors'? I don't think it is that easy.

No explanation is given why Desmond guns down McKerney. This makes me wonder...

[spleen1015]

You guys are too quiet!!!

[Blade6119]

You guys are too quiet!!!
What do you want to talk about spleen...ill discuss whatever you want...i just dotn feel like putting my thoughts out there since it seems only the wovles are listening to me right now

[spleen1015]

What do you want to talk about spleen...ill discuss whatever you want...i just dotn feel like putting my thoughts out there since it seems only the wovles are listening to me right now

It needs to wait. :)

[Celeval]

Haven't seen that episode yet where he meets Jack's dad, although I've seen references to it on some of the message boards.

That's right on the marshall - but he wasn't a very good shot. I was initially trying to recall how the marshall was wounded (during the crash) but Sawyer went in to do a "mercy kill" and shot him in the chest.
I thought that was more a question of putting the gun against his chest and going for the heart... but not really knowing where the heart was, so "missing".

[spleen1015]

I have a question...

Gramm died at the hands of the others, so we know he is a survivor. Do we know for sure that Mr. W and mckerney are survivors? What tells us so?

I assume if they were others, we would know that when they were killed, right? Or, if they were, the other others would have tried to save them, eh?

[hoopsguy]

Celeval, that is accurate. The marshall was dying, they didn't have the right supplies to save him, and it was going to be prolonged/painful. It seemed that Kate gave Sawyer the gun to kill him (she wasn't going to do it) and Sawyer went into the tent to kill him but shot him in the chest, giving him an additional wound that would have taken a few hours to bleed out. I believe Jack then killed the marshall at that point rather than having him suffer further, although I'm not positive that was explicitly stated.

[Blade6119]

I have a question...

Gramm died at the hands of the others, so we know he is a survivor. Do we know for sure that Mr. W and mckerney are survivors? What tells us so?

I assume if they were others, we would know that when they were killed, right? Or, if they were, the other others would have tried to save them, eh?
I think were expecting a different death message for others...these two deaths have seemed very innocent(and i too desmond to be our tie-breaker)

[Celeval]

I have a question...

Gramm died at the hands of the others, so we know he is a survivor. Do we know for sure that Mr. W and mckerney are survivors? What tells us so?

I assume if they were others, we would know that when they were killed, right? Or, if they were, the other others would have tried to save them, eh?
Mr. W - yes, he was Charlie (who was a survivor). This is made clear via the heroin, the lyrics (although that came from MrW directly), and the ring.

mckerney - speculation that he is Jack, but nothing really confirmed at this point.

[hoopsguy]

Spleen, we don't know for sure but the moderator usually provides some information to help you draw conclusions.

The clues made it pretty clear that Mr. W was Charlie. And I think it is hard to depict Charlie as an "other" based on what I have now seen of the show. The only way that works is if AE is making the others a subset of the characters on the show, which doesn't seem to fit for the others at all.

For those with knowledge of the show, is Ethan Rom an 'other'? I'm far enough along in my viewing to know that he is against the survivors, but the concept of others has not been explained in the episodes I have seen. Have the 'others' been defined by now or are they still completely nebulous? I don't necessarily want spoilers since I am watching the tapes, but I want to be able to understand 'the others' a little better in the framework of this game.

[pennywisesb]

No explanation is given why Desmond guns down McKerney. This makes me wonder...
I think its time for Desmond to come forward and give us an explanation.

[spleen1015]

Ethan is an other on show. It is still not quite clear or they really are.

Speaking in terms of the show.

[spleen1015]

Ethan is an other on show. It is still not quite clear or they really are.

Speaking in terms of the show.

It is still not clear who they really are at this point in the show (Season 2).

[spleen1015]

I think its time for Desmond to come forward and give us an explanation.

He voted for mckerney, so if what Blade says is true, then he is just the tie breaker, right? I don't know how tie breakers work since this is my first game.

[hoopsguy]

Spleen, Desmond as the tie-breaker is a very plausible explanation. But it is not necessarily the right one.

[Poli]

Perhaps we saw things differently. Maybe it was a mini bottle of vodka.

(My apologies.)

[Blade6119]

Spleen, Desmond as the tie-breaker is a very plausible explanation. But it is not necessarily the right one.
What other routes are there? There was a tie, desmond voted for mckerney during the day, and he killed him...if thats anything but a tiebreaker i dont see it right now

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I think it is the right explanation, but just to name one other example, it is possible he has some kind of a Duke role. If I try I bet I can come up with some other scenarios, but I'm not sure what benefit that is to us. Desmond can, if he chooses to do so, shed some light on this.

Not the best of news from AE in Post #1306.

[SnDvls]

looks like we lost Jack the doctor. Not sure what his role in this game played either bodyguard to protect or doctor to heal/fix. Wonder who the others will get from the night actions. Hopefully AE will have those up soon.

[spleen1015]

The bad guys can have a seer, right?

Or do they know special roles automatically?

[Alan T]

The bad guys can have a seer, right?

Or do they know special roles automatically?


In games i have been a bad guy, we did not know who had which role. (Would be too easy to pick off the seer, etc fast, and unfair). I am guessing that is the case in this game.

I'm guessing Blade is right about Desmond, but hopefully he'll explain what role he has to us when he gets on today, now that it is out in the open.

So I have a question, were people saying that would make Desmond Sawyer because of what he did? I am a little confused about that since I do not know anything about Sawyer other than people saying yesterday that SnDvls was hinting that he wa Sawyer?

[Alan T]

In games i have been a bad guy, we did not know who had which role. (Would be too easy to pick off the seer, etc fast, and unfair). I am guessing that is the case in this game.

I'm guessing Blade is right about Desmond, but hopefully he'll explain what role he has to us when he gets on today, now that it is out in the open.

So I have a question, were people saying that would make Desmond Sawyer because of what he did? I am a little confused about that since I do not know anything about Sawyer other than people saying yesterday that SnDvls was hinting that he wa Sawyer?


Sorry, didnt fully answer Spleen's question.. yes in some games the bad guys can have a seer as well. Its not in every game though, so we do not know if they do this game.

[hoopsguy]

The notion of a bad guy seer is pretty rare, but not unprecedented.

So far we have three dead and all with identified characters. As the bodies continue to pile up, it is becoming less likely that each of the people had a specialized role (something beyond 'simple survivor'). But I find it hard to believe that mckerney/Jack was not the doctor with the ability to heal/protect.

[Poli]

Hopefully AE will have those up soon.It's only been 6 hours or so since I posted the end of the day. I haven't received any night actions as of yet.

[SnDvls]

It's only been 6 hours or so since I posted the end of the day. I haven't received any night actions as of yet.

wow that tells me something then.

[Poli]

wow that tells me something then.I wouldn't read anything into that, it wasn't the intention.

[Alan T]

It's only been 6 hours or so since I posted the end of the day. I haven't received any night actions as of yet.


I'll send a night action! Can I have pizza and a large coke? :)

[Blade6119]

I used my night action last night, or else i would have sent one in tonight *smiles at alan*

[SnDvls]

if we're running a 12/12 cycle doesn't that mean the others have lost their kill/action then as it is past the deadline?

[Alan T]

I used my night action last night, or else i would have sent one in tonight *smiles at alan*


You know how to make a guy feel loved on Valentine's Day :)

[Blade6119]

if we're running a 12/12 cycle doesn't that mean the others have lost their kill/action then as it is past the deadline?
Ardent didnt post lynch results till like 3 AM, so id imagine they have more time...but since he said he had recieved none we lose our seer view and what not...but yes, id agree that after 12 hours from the posting of the lynch results what not in is not done

[Blade6119]

You know how to make a guy feel loved on Valentine's Day :)
I just want you to feel special buddy :p

[Alan T]

if we're running a 12/12 cycle doesn't that mean the others have lost their kill/action then as it is past the deadline?


I don't know how it works. If its delayed because the results were delayed or what. Ardent will have to tell us that. I know I didnt see the results until this morning when I woke up about 2-3 hours ago. So others on PST might not even know what happened yesterday yet.

[Celeval]

Blade, I think it is the right explanation, but just to name one other example, it is possible he has some kind of a Duke role. If I try I bet I can come up with some other scenarios, but I'm not sure what benefit that is to us. Desmond can, if he chooses to do so, shed some light on this.

Not the best of news from AE in Post #1306.
Yeah, we've basically lost Jack, Hurley, and Charlie. Plus whoever the Others get tonight.

I wouldn't necessarily go down the path of Desmond having a special role for it - bear in mind, he's also the one guy of all of us who shares the name of a character in Lost. I'd honestly not be surprised to learn that that was why he was the tiebreaker vote. ;)

[Blade6119]

Day 2 has ended. Day 2 night actions are due by 3pm CST, but are encouraged to be entered ASAP, so we can maintain a 9 or 10 pm CST deadline for Day 3 actions.
That answers everything

[Poli]

if we're running a 12/12 cycle doesn't that mean the others have lost their kill/action then as it is past the deadline?The game does march on at 3:05pm CST, though I'm much prefer to have it where the day ends around 9pm/10pm CST. If need be, we can press on.

I should have had the day actions/lynch completed earlier, but there's not much I could do in that realm. I was just glad I woke up waaaaay early to post them when I did.

[Alan T]

That answers everything


I totally missed that line. Thanks Blade

[SnDvls]

The game does march on at 3:05pm CST, though I'm much prefer to have it where the day ends around 9pm/10pm CST. If need be, we can press on.

I should have had the day actions/lynch completed earlier, but there's not much I could do in that realm. I was just glad I woke up waaaaay early to post them when I did.

thanks that explains it. so is the plan then to do 12 more hours after you post night actions? or will we have a shorter day today? just wondering as I have more work to do today and won't be on as often as I was yesterday. thanks

[Blade6119]

couldnt be less then schmdity, who with tangles drop becomes our least active member who has played the entire game(path and packer are less, but they just joined)....27 pages, 1327 posts, and 16 from schmidty....Mr. w had 17, and he didnt even make it to night one

[Poli]

thanks that explains it. so is the plan then to do 12 more hours after you post night actions? or will we have a shorter day today? just wondering as I have more work to do today and won't be on as often as I was yesterday. thanks12/12, unless the players have a majority rule asking otherwise.

[Alan T]

12/12, unless the players have a majority rule asking otherwise.


Depending on when night actions are done, if early enough I wouldn't mind keeping on the 9pm CST night schedule, or at least only make it a few hours later like 11pm CST (shortened day). Having the day end in the middle of the AM (3-4am for me) makes things very awkward probably when it comes down to a vote at least.

[spleen1015]

I am interested in the time frame as well. I have another unavailable night ahead of me tonight, but i am free all evening tomorrow. Then, I am faced with another busy night on Thursday. So, hopefully my 2 busy nights (Tues and Thur) are nights that I don't need to do anything (Night actions).

I am feeling really unsafe today. With AE not having any night actions yet, I am going to shut up until they get posted. I already feel unsafe, so no need to make things worse or give any more reason to be targetted with today's night actions.

[spleen1015]

Depending on when night actions are done, if early enough I wouldn't mind keeping on the 9pm CST night schedule, or at least only make it a few hours later like 11pm CST (shortened day). Having the day end in the middle of the AM (3-4am for me) makes things very awkward probably when it comes down to a vote at least.

I really hope we don't have a vote ending at 3-4am. That would suck for me majorly.

[Blade6119]

So, hopefully my 2 busy nights (Tues and Thur) are nights that I don't need to do anything (Night actions).
Someone just slipped up... :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

dola, despite the comment spleen just made, let me make this clear in case i somehow die tonight(well, today...buts its night).

Kill Alan...no "they killed him to frame alan"...if i die, kill alan...is this in anyway unlcear?

[hoopsguy]

Kill Alan...no "they killed him to frame alan"...if i die, kill alan...is this in anyway unlcear?
Pretty clear to me. But you don't need to convince me to move my vote, since it was on him yesterday.

Obviously when it comes time to look at voting patterns the people who were part of killing Jack are going to come under some scrutiny. But yesterday was so distributed that it isn't going to be much fun to review that mess.

[KWhit]

dola, despite the comment spleen just made, let me make this clear in case i somehow die tonight(well, today...buts its night).

Kill Alan...no "they killed him to frame alan"...if i die, kill alan...is this in anyway unlcear?
Why?

I'm definitely going to need more than "It's a feeling."

[Blade6119]

Why?

I'm definitely going to need more than "It's a feeling."
I really dont care to discuss before the night actions are processed...but know if i get killed what needs to happen.

[Blade6119]

Pretty clear to me. But you don't need to convince me to move my vote, since it was on him yesterday.

Obviously when it comes time to look at voting patterns the people who were part of killing Jack are going to come under some scrutiny. But yesterday was so distributed that it isn't going to be much fun to review that mess.
Can someone do me a favor and remind me what the key argument was against desnudo that almost got him lynched yesterday?...i know why mckerney had votes but never noticed much of a reason on desnudo

[spleen1015]

dola, despite the comment spleen just made, let me make this clear in case i somehow die tonight(well, today...buts its night).

Kill Alan...no "they killed him to frame alan"...if i die, kill alan...is this in anyway unlcear?

I will take this under serious consideration. You're persistence feels right to me.

[Alan T]

Can someone do me a favor and remind me what the key argument was against desnudo that almost got him lynched yesterday?...i know why mckerney had votes but never noticed much of a reason on desnudo

The thing that made him suspicious to me was his response when hoops put some heat on him being supposedly "quiet" he said that he -always- votes late. When hoops did some looking into it, he found examples of when desnudo voted way early as an apparent err on Desnudo's part.

He is one of the ones Im looking at voting for today.

[spleen1015]

I will take this under serious consideration. You're persistence feels right to me.
Your

Sheesh.

[Blade6119]

Spleen, i dont want to push you to give info you dont want to, but do you want to reason that comment of yours i quoted?

[Alan T]

Spleen, i dont want to push you to give info you dont want to, but do you want to reason that comment of yours i quoted?

Please don't push him on this. at least while night actions arent done.

[Blade6119]

The thing that made him suspicious to me was his response when hoops put some heat on him being supposedly "quiet" he said that he -always- votes late. When hoops did some looking into it, he found examples of when desnudo voted way early as an apparent err on Desnudo's part.

He is one of the ones Im looking at voting for today.
Thank you Alan...to be honest i couldnt have asked for a better response. This will be very useful in my analyzation of this whole mess

[spleen1015]

Spleen, i dont want to push you to give info you dont want to, but do you want to reason that comment of yours i quoted?

I was just expressing my feels on the time frame of the game. I guess I slipped up by saying I didn't have any night actions, but I don't see it as a huge slip up. I figure by admitting I am a simple survivor, everyone pretty much knows I'm just a normal good guy in this game.

Thinking about this, would AE give a special role to someone with no WW experience?

[Blade6119]

I was just expressing my feels on the time frame of the game. I guess I slipped up by saying I didn't have any night actions, but I don't see it as a huge slip up. I figure by admitting I am a simple survivor, everyone pretty much knows I'm just a normal good guy in this game.

Thinking about this, would AE give a special role to someone with no WW experience?
Its entirely random...he does not pick and choose who got what roles

[spleen1015]

Its entirely random...he does not pick and choose who got what roles

That may be true, but I don't think there is a lot there. If the wolves don't know already then, they're not paying attention.

I don't think it is as big a deal as you think it is. Does anyone else feel I screwed things up?

[Blade6119]

That may be true, but I don't think there is a lot there. If the wolves don't know already then, they're not paying attention.

I don't think it is as big a deal as you think it is. Does anyone else feel I screwed things up?
I dont want to talk about it until night is over

[spleen1015]

I dont want to talk about it until night is over

Fair enough.

[hoopsguy]

I think I was a contributor to that, Blade. I had gotten into some discussion with him on the lynch vote from Day 1 and posted a few thoughts on the "always post late" concept. I never moved as far as voting, but I certainly voiced my opinion in the thread that I was suspicious.

The movement on Desnudo really seemed to pick up after 6PM last night.

[saldana]

Its entirely random...he does not pick and choose who got what roles


it involves a secret ceremony known only to WW DM's that includes a large jar of vaseline and a full grown male yak.

either that or I took a post-it pad, wrote numbers 1 to 28 on it twice, and picked a player number out of one baseball hat and a role number out of the other hat and assigned that role to that player....and if thats the case, i have no idea what i was doing with that yak.

in all seriousness, since i am sure someone (blade) has noted that i am in the post, i am intentionally not saying anything until after night is over.

[Blade6119]

in all seriousness, since i am sure someone (blade) has noted that i am in the post, i am intentionally not saying anything until after night is over.
What did i do?

[spleen1015]

it involves a secret ceremony known only to WW DM's that includes a large jar of vaseline and a full grown male yak.

either that or I took a post-it pad, wrote numbers 1 to 28 on it twice, and picked a player number out of one baseball hat and a role number out of the other hat and assigned that role to that player....and if thats the case, i have no idea what i was doing with that yak.

in all seriousness, since i am sure someone (blade) has noted that i am in the post, i am intentionally not saying anything until after night is over.

Did you enjoy the yak? Would you do it again?

[saldana]

nothing, i just know you often look at the bottom of the thread to see who comes in and out without posting (i do it too)

[saldana]

Did you enjoy the yak? Would you do it again?
mmmmmm, yak.

spleen, just to fill you in, several games ago, there was a 3rd faction of elementals, and the other two teams each got to sacrifice an animal each night to kiss up to the elementals...Coffee Warlord was the DM and got a little insane with his sacrifice descriptions involving Yaks, which i then continued in the HP game. the writeups are pretty amusing if you search for the thread and wade through the 2200 posts to find them.

[saldana]

dola, hoops,you had a yak reference in the Chuck Norris game too, didnt you?

[spleen1015]

mmmmmm, yak.

spleen, just to fill you in, several games ago, there was a 3rd faction of elementals, and the other two teams each got to sacrifice an animal each night to kiss up to the elementals...Coffee Warlord was the DM and got a little insane with his sacrifice descriptions involving Yaks, which i then continued in the HP game. the writeups are pretty amusing if you search for the thread and wade through the 2200 posts to find them.

Dude, yes or no would have answered the question. :)

I started to read WW XXI and stopped after about 300 posts. These things are a grind when you're not involved.

[Celeval]

My vote for Desnudo was because I wanted to avoid the tie that happened. My feeling was that pushing the vote stronger on the leader would force the issue with other players, and we'd see movement - which happened. My concern on voting for mck was that (if you believe Blade) he was protected - that either implies to me that he had an anti-smoke role (Locke?, Echo), or he was his own bodyguard, or he had a special wolf role, or it was purely luck. Of those, it seemed more likely that he was a good guy.. but either way, Desnudo got my vote because he was leading. If AlanT was in the lead, I may have gone that way.

[Desnudo]

The thing that made him suspicious to me was his response when hoops put some heat on him being supposedly "quiet" he said that he -always- votes late. When hoops did some looking into it, he found examples of when desnudo voted way early as an apparent err on Desnudo's part.

He is one of the ones Im looking at voting for today.

Yes, I messed up. I've also explained it at least twice. People keep bringing it up, I keep explaining it, and people keep ignoring the explaination. Or seeing what they want to see. For the last time, I recognize that I didn't communicate what I intended to say. My statement was still broadly correct in my opinion. Calling me a liar (not you specifically, but the term has come up) over it is exaggerating the discrepancy.

What I should have said was: I always wait until the last minute to make a final decision. If this is what it takes for you to get permanently tagged as a villain, I'm going to go through everyone's posts in here. I'm sure in 24 pages, someone else has said something that isn't precisely true.

If people want to vote for me based on a throwaway comment I made, then please go ahead. I'm done defending it after this post. Since typing words seems to attract votes to me like flies, I'm going Schmidty.

[Poli]

Just a friendly reminder:

It's hard for me to communicate with you when your PM box is full. I'm doing my part. :)

[Blade6119]

Just a friendly reminder:

It's hard for me to communicate with you when your PM box is full. I'm doing my part. :)
I still have room in mine...send me a PM, i want to feel important

[Raiders Army]

FWIW, I'm out of the net pretty much this afternoon. Good luck and I'm heading to the bunker.

Suspects: Desnudo, saldana, spleen. Not necessarily in that order.

[pennywisesb]

I still have room in mine...send me a PM, i want to feel important

Ditto :p

[Celeval]

If people want to vote for me based on a throwaway comment I made, then please go ahead. I'm done defending it after this post. Since typing words seems to attract votes to me like flies, I'm going Schmidty.
Just to make sure things are straight between us - my votes for you were based on the explanation I put on above. Doesn't have to do with the throwaway; nothing personal. ;)

[Swaggs]

dola, despite the comment spleen just made, let me make this clear in case i somehow die tonight(well, today...buts its night).

Kill Alan...no "they killed him to frame alan"...if i die, kill alan...is this in anyway unlcear?

Blade, you are all over the place in this game.

Why would you be afraid to die at night, when you have made it clear that you have an 80% chance of killing one or two of the bad guys?

[Blade6119]

Blade, you are all over the place in this game.

Why would you be afraid to die at night, when you have made it clear that you have an 80% chance of killing one or two of the bad guys?
because i have a 20% chance to die...selfish, but regardless of what role you have i would much rather you die then me. You want them to attack me, so 1-2 die, meaning its easier for you. I dont want them to attack me, as their a chance it ends my game. If you want to die tonight instead, feel free to volunteer

[Swaggs]

because i have a 20% chance to die...selfish, but regardless of what role you have i would much rather you die then me. You want them to attack me, so 1-2 die, meaning its easier for you. I dont want them to attack me, as their a chance it ends my game. If you want to die tonight instead, feel free to volunteer

Why would the bad guys attack you, rather than me or anyone else, if they have an 80% chance of dying?

[Blade6119]

Why would the bad guys attack you, rather than me or anyone else, if they have an 80% chance of dying?
Exactly why i put it out there

[Swaggs]

Exactly why i put it out there

As I said then, why then go with the whole, "If I die tonight..." stuff then?

You are all over the place.

[Blade6119]

Mr. Wednesday -- Hoopsguy, Alan T, bearcat729, spleen1015, kingfc22, desmond, desnudo, mckerney
Mckerney -- Alan, Raiders, Desmond, Desnudo, Saldana
Comparing the two lycnhed people, does anyone notice a certain person popping up on both of them(both assumed villagers?)

And also funny is that three of the 5 mckerney voters also voted mr. w...alan, as well as desmond(fairly clear to me after tiebreaker) and desnudo(who to be fair said he was acting in self-preservation on day 2).

Just noting to everyone that Alan, even just looking at that, is the most suspicious person around(you all lynched mckerney and mr. w on far less facts)

[Blade6119]

As I said then, why then go with the whole, "If I die tonight..." stuff then?

You are all over the place.
Becuase they might think im bluffing to cover a bigger role(others have pointed out i might be saying this just so they wont attack me, and i really dont have the powers to deter attacks). And if they do 20% is enough for me to worry

[pennywisesb]

because i have a 20% chance to die...selfish, but regardless of what role you have i would much rather you die then me. You want them to attack me, so 1-2 die, meaning its easier for you. I dont want them to attack me, as their a chance it ends my game. If you want to die tonight instead, feel free to volunteer

I don't like this whole 80%-20% thing that Blade keeps bringing up. It seems as though he's creating a best of both world's scenario here. He claims to be good, which means us survivors would not try to lynch him, and then claims that as many as 2 "others" could die if they try to kill him during a night action. I understand he wants to finish the game alive, but I'm picking up something alittle fishy with his role. It seems as though he's painting a picture where it'd be stupid to lynch/kill him, thus keeping heat from both sides off of him. This is too convenient if you ask me.

[hoopsguy]

Think I'm going to go hit some golf balls while I wait for the night actions. I'm sure the others wouldn't attack me there, right? http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/eek.gif

[KWhit]

I don't like this whole 80%-20% thing that Blade keeps bringing up. It seems as though he's creating a best of both world's scenario here. He claims to be good, which means us survivors would not try to lynch him, and then claims that as many as 2 "others" could die if they try to kill him during a night action. I understand he wants to finish the game alive, but I'm picking up something alittle fishy with his role. It seems as though he's painting a picture where it'd be stupid to lynch/kill him, thus keeping heat from both sides off of him. This is too convenient if you ask me.
Yep. And then implies that he has special information about Alan T. Again, it's the jack-of-all roles thing again.

[Swaggs]

Think I'm going to go hit some golf balls while I wait for the night actions. I'm sure the others wouldn't attack me there, right? http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/eek.gif

Actually, the survivors first met Ethan while playing (makeshift) golf on the island, if I remember correctly. :)

[spleen1015]

You guys just need to hush! :D

[Blade6119]

I don't like this whole 80%-20% thing that Blade keeps bringing up. It seems as though he's creating a best of both world's scenario here. He claims to be good, which means us survivors would not try to lynch him, and then claims that as many as 2 "others" could die if they try to kill him during a night action. I understand he wants to finish the game alive, but I'm picking up something alittle fishy with his role. It seems as though he's painting a picture where it'd be stupid to lynch/kill him, thus keeping heat from both sides off of him. This is too convenient if you ask me.
Not much of a way i can prove myself now that it looks like mckerney is dead...i think he was the bodyguard/doctor, and i think he protected himself on night one...

Both days i say the person is good, gets lynched while i defend them, they turn up good...and then people look at me instead of the people killing off our key roles...its unbelievable

[Blade6119]

Yep. And then implies that he has special information about Alan T. Again, it's the jack-of-all roles thing again.
i have NOT implied that, as i have replied to you earlier when you accused me of this...I had assasin powers, and can defend myself. Not really jack of all trades...

[Swaggs]

i have NOT implied that, as i have replied to you earlier when you accused me of this...I had assasin powers, and can defend myself. Not really jack of all trades...

You have implied that, if you die tonight, look at AlanT.

Why?

[hoopsguy]

Actually, the first time he is met is when Hurley is doing the census after the pregnant woman is attacked. Hurley calls him by another name, then apologizes afterwards for not knowing everyone on the island after two weeks of being stranded. I don't believe they showed him before that moment, although it is entirely possible I missed him moving around in the background on an earlier episode.

I believe that was the episode after the golfing one (watched four episodes last night while waiting for results to go up). There is some hyperchondriac guy that plays golf with them, but I don't remember Ethan there at all.

[pennywisesb]

Not much of a way i can prove myself now that it looks like mckerney is dead...i think he was the bodyguard/doctor, and i think he protected himself on night one...

Both days i say the person is good, gets lynched while i defend them, they turn up good...and then people look at me instead of the people killing off our key roles...its unbelievable

I'm not even thinking of voting you at this point, but I think I might have an idea of what your role really is. I have a feeling that you are essentially a survivor, but you win if the "others" win. So there really wouldn't be a reason for me to lynch vote you seeing as you count as a villager. This is obviously just a hunch and I'd like to see what others think about it.

Why the heck would McKerney protect himself night one anyway? There wasn't even any heat on him. That is definately a weird choice in my mind. It seems that if he was in fact the bodyguard, he would try to protect a player like Hoops versus himself.

[Swaggs]

Actually, the first time he is met is when Hurley is doing the census after the pregnant woman is attacked. Hurley calls him by another name, then apologizes afterwards for not knowing everyone on the island after two weeks of being stranded. I don't believe they showed him before that moment, although it is entirely possible I missed him moving around in the background on an earlier episode.

I believe that was the episode after the golfing one (watched four episodes last night while waiting for results to go up). There is some hyperchondriac guy that plays golf with them, but I don't remember Ethan there at all.

You are probably right. I haven't seen the original episodes since the aired, but for some reason, I thought they asked him to play when the first started golfing.

[Alan T]

I'm not even thinking of voting you at this point, but I think I might have an idea of what your role really is. I have a feeling that you are essentially a survivor, but you win if the "others" win. So there really wouldn't be a reason for me to lynch vote you seeing as you count as a villager. This is obviously just a hunch and I'd like to see what others think about it.

Why the heck would McKerney protect himself night one anyway? There wasn't even any heat on him. That is definately a weird choice in my mind. It seems that if he was in fact the bodyguard, he would try to protect a player like Hoops versus himself.


I think I would like to give some thoughts once night time is over. I have my ideas but would rather not have it influence what happens at night.

[Blade6119]

You have implied that, if you die tonight, look at AlanT.

Why?
Becuase im becoming quite certain hes a wolf...last game i had this feeling about king the day i died, called him out during the day i died, but then tried to divert him and didnt bring him up at my end of day review of my suspects...he killed me, and no one cared enough to look back to see me call king a wolf...i dont want the entire group to not follow the right reason i die if i do. So if im to die, alan will hopefully pay the consequences for his actions.

[spleen1015]

I think I would like to give some thoughts once night time is over. I have my ideas but would rather not have it influence what happens at night.

Exactly. I think we should all hold off speculation until we see where we're at come Day 3.

Here's to hoping I am there for Day 3.

[hoopsguy]

The interesting thing about Blade for me is that he is being Blade - shaping information in a way that tries to maximize his survival. That doesn't make him survivor or other, it makes him a guy who is always exploring boundaries in these games. I have found his play pretty consistent with other games.

Blade, nice choice for the assassination on Night 1 http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Of course, looking back I'm the guy that complained about everyone grouping me with mckerney/Jack so what do I know?

[Blade6119]

I'm not even thinking of voting you at this point, but I think I might have an idea of what your role really is. I have a feeling that you are essentially a survivor, but you win if the "others" win. So there really wouldn't be a reason for me to lynch vote you seeing as you count as a villager. This is obviously just a hunch and I'd like to see what others think about it.

Why the heck would McKerney protect himself night one anyway? There wasn't even any heat on him. That is definately a weird choice in my mind. It seems that if he was in fact the bodyguard, he would try to protect a player like Hoops versus himself.
As for the first part, i cant comment on it while night actions are outstanding. I think i can sway you to trust me tomorrow though(and no, thats not my role)

As for the second part, many bodyguards protect themselves night one when they dont really know who to trust, and the wolves dont really have a direction yet. Some wolves like to kill vets like hoops, some kill random people(like gramat) to cause confusion...its basically a smart way to prevent bad luck(the wolves hit barkeep randomly night one when he was bodyguard like 2-3 games back)...night one is usually as random for wolves as day one for us, so its an added meaaure of protection

[pennywisesb]

Good point. Get your night actions in others!!!!!

[Blade6119]

The interesting thing about Blade for me is that he is being Blade - shaping information in a way that tries to maximize his survival. That doesn't make him survivor or other, it makes him a guy who is always exploring boundaries in these games. I have found his play pretty consistent with other games.

Blade, nice choice for the assassination on Night 1 http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Of course, looking back I'm the guy that complained about everyone grouping me with mckerney/Jack so what do I know?
I did it exactly for you. I saw a link(thought a wolf link), but without trying to offend mckerney, i didnt want to kill you...i thought you were too valuable a villager if i was wrong...so i figured i could kill mckerney, and if he came up bad i could then get you killed. I wanted to kill you, but i didnt want to risk losing you if i was wrong.

[hoopsguy]

More reprecussions from a dumb vote switch by me (sigh) on Day 1.

Well, for selfish reasons I'm glad you didn't go after me. I don't think I would have had any kind of protection and then I would have been stuck reading along instead of participating the rest of the way.

[Blade6119]

More reprecussions from a dumb vote switch by me (sigh) on Day 1.

Well, for selfish reasons I'm glad you didn't go after me. I don't think I would have had any kind of protection and then I would have been stuck reading along instead of participating the rest of the way.
Im glad too....you have been one of my few supporters...but i know that if i had stuck with king(i had a king kill PM sent in like 4 hours before the deadline and didnt swap until an hour after lynch) he would have died...i dont know if its good or bad that i didnt...just interesting how everything ended up. I think i picked a bodyguard over a cleared villager(you) and king(we we dont know yet)

[Blade6119]

Desmond, your here...im very interested in what you have to say about the lynch(especially since you voted to kill villagers both days so far

[Desmond]

So wait, McKerney is supposed to be Jack, but has/had bodyguard powers? That doesn't add up. I don't think McKerney was Jack.

[Blade6119]

So wait, McKerney is supposed to be Jack, but has/had bodyguard powers? That doesn't add up. I don't think McKerney was Jack.
We dont know what powers he had, and we dont know if he was jack...but thats not what i want to discuss with you just yet...more interested in that tiny little detail...you know, you SHOOTING HIM and all..

[spleen1015]

We dont know what powers he had, and we dont know if he was jack...but thats not what i want to discuss with you just yet...more interested in that tiny little detail...you know, you SHOOTING HIM and all..

I'm not sure he's gotten that far in the thread if he is catching up.

[Alan T]

We dont know what powers he had, and we dont know if he was jack...but thats not what i want to discuss with you just yet...more interested in that tiny little detail...you know, you SHOOTING HIM and all..


lol

[Blade6119]

I'm not sure he's gotten that far in the thread if he is catching up.
hes talking about us calling him jack...thats post lynch

[spleen1015]

hes talking about us calling him jack...thats post lynch

And there has been a lot mentioned since the lynch.

[Blade6119]

And there has been a lot mentioned since the lynch.
But him shooting mckerney was in the lynch, long before the jack discussion...if i was him and logged in, saw that, and had to react...i wouldnt go to the jack thing first...i would talk about the guy i just killed

[spleen1015]

Dola, I want to know what is up as well, Blade. I just made an observation, that's all.

[hoopsguy]

Desmond, the bodyguard works in different ways in the game.

Assuming a doctor role, that person can prevent a person from dying at night by selecting them for night actions. If the person the doctor watches is attacked, there is a chance (sometimes 100%, often less) that the doctor will keep them alive rather than us finding them dead.

There could be both a bodyguard (if they guard a person who is targeted, then no attack takes place) and a doctor in the game. I don't know if there has been a game yet that didn't include one of those roles.

[Blade6119]

Dola, I want to know what is up as well, Blade. I just made an observation, that's all.
I know, im just bickering with you for fun really. Note the humor in my question

[spleen1015]

But him shooting mckerney was in the lynch, long before the jack discussion...if i was him and logged in, saw that, and had to react...i wouldnt go to the jack thing first...i would talk about the guy i just killed

I see your point. I was just making an observation.

These night actions need to get over with. Sheesh.

[spleen1015]

I know, im just bickering with you for fun really. Note the humor in my question

Okay. ;)

[Blade6119]

or at least my attempt at humor in the question ;)

[path12]

i have NOT implied that, as i have replied to you earlier when you accused me of this...I had assasin powers, and can defend myself. Not really jack of all trades...

Blade, I've got no time to go back through the posts, so I'm starting from last nights lynch. Is this it as far as what you've hinted your role to be or is there more to it? If you don't want to answer until after night that's cool.

[path12]

That may be true, but I don't think there is a lot there. If the wolves don't know already then, they're not paying attention.

I don't think it is as big a deal as you think it is. Does anyone else feel I screwed things up?

I find it odd.

[KWhit]

So wait, McKerney is supposed to be Jack, but has/had bodyguard powers? That doesn't add up. I don't think McKerney was Jack.
That's a good point actually. Doesn't the doctor role typically work differently than the bodyguard role?

I would expect Jack to be the Doctor not the Bodyguard.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I've got no time to go back through the posts, so I'm starting from last nights lynch. Is this it as far as what you've hinted your role to be or is there more to it? If you don't want to answer until after night that's cool.
Path, ill work through everything you need to know tomorrow..i want to tell you everything i can, but want to leave a little bit in limbo for the wolves tonight

[KWhit]

If Mckerney was the doctor and was attacked on night 1, he would KNOW that he was attacked!

[Blade6119]

That's a good point actually. Doesn't the doctor role typically work differently than the bodyguard role?

I would expect Jack to be the Doctor not the Bodyguard.
In my mind, they work exactly the same

[Blade6119]

If Mckerney was the doctor and was attacked on night 1, he would KNOW that he was attacked!
Yes...but if he was the doctor, why would he come out with it? If he was the doctor, he would want to avoid bringing attention to himself.

And, ardent said clearly that mckerney did not know he was attacked..so only by me telling him would he know(when i did he said he was "VERY INTERESTED" in learning about it) if you were the doctor and protected yourself only to be attacked, would you reveal yourself?

[Schmidty]

couldnt be less then schmdity, who with tangles drop becomes our least active member who has played the entire game(path and packer are less, but they just joined)....27 pages, 1327 posts, and 16 from schmidty....Mr. w had 17, and he didnt even make it to night one

I've said it multiple times. That means nothing.

[Blade6119]

I've said it multiple times. That means nothing.
I didnt say you were bad, did i? I just stated a fact...did i say you were bad? no

[Schmidty]

I didnt say you were bad, did i? I just stated a fact...did i say you were bad? no

I know. I just woke up and was scanning things, and wanted to respond to that.

I'll be in and out all day, since my parents-in-law got into town last night, and are staying here for a few days. If you see me in the thread, it doesn't mean I'm actually at the computer. Just a heads-up.

[KWhit]

Yes...but if he was the doctor, why would he come out with it? If he was the doctor, he would want to avoid bringing attention to himself.

And, ardent said clearly that mckerney did not know he was attacked..so only by me telling him would he know(when i did he said he was "VERY INTERESTED" in learning about it) if you were the doctor and protected yourself only to be attacked, would you reveal yourself?
It just doesn't make sense to me that Mckerney as a doctor could save himself from an attack without even knowing he was attacked.

I thought that the doctor saved someone after an attack.

[Blade6119]

It just doesn't make sense to me that Mckerney as a doctor could save himself from an attack without even knowing he was attacked.

I thought that the doctor saved someone after an attack.
I dont see it that way, but to each his own. I just have to work off what knowledge i have, you off what you have...

[Desmond]

Well I was given some info and asked to break the tie, the info didn't do anything to sway me from my original vote so I went with who I had already voted for. I dont know why I was asked but i was and had to make a decision.

[Blade6119]

Well I was given some info and asked to break the tie, the info didn't do anything to sway me from my original vote so I went with who I had already voted for. I dont know why I was asked but i was and had to make a decision.
So you didnt know you were a tie-breaker before the vote?

[spleen1015]

I find it odd.

Once you get caught up and truly see where I fit into this, you won't. You'll see it more as a mistake instead of a sign of anything odd.

[spleen1015]

So you didnt know you were a tie-breaker before the vote?

That's what it sounds like to me.

[saldana]

And, ardent said clearly that mckerney did not know he was attacked..

when/where did ardent say this?

anyway, i have to leave for work in about 5 -10 minutes, so i will not be back in until 6 at least, depending on when everyone else leaves the office i may be able to sneak in for a bit

[PackerFanatic]

Long night action...

They took my boy!!!

[Desmond]

Dola, I've got to finish up at work and head home but Ill be back around 5ish est.
One things for sure, the game is alot more interesting once you're personaly involved, lol.

[Blade6119]

when/where did ardent say this?
Im his PM to me at 7:10 PM on feb. 11th, after i had asked a few questions about why my attack failed

[Blade6119]

Dola, I've got to finish up at work and head home but Ill be back around 5ish est.
One things for sure, the game is alot more interesting once you're personaly involved, lol.
Now you understand why i play like i do somewhat lol...im always involved

[spleen1015]

Long night action...

They took my boy!!!

Does this mean that someone has converted to other?

[Celeval]

Does this mean that someone has converted to other?
No, just means Pack is getting a little into character.

Walt!

[Desmond]

So you didnt know you were a tie-breaker before the vote?

Not specificly, no.

[spleen1015]

No, just means Pack is getting a little into character.

Walt!

I guess the bold threw me off.

[path12]

Once you get caught up and truly see where I fit into this, you won't. You'll see it more as a mistake instead of a sign of anything odd.

If you have a specific prior post that will help me, let me know -- otherwise I'm gonna have to just go by what I see now. Not trying to put you on the spot or anything, but the reference to night action caught my attention. As with my question to Blade, if you'd rather wait until after night that's cool.

[spleen1015]

If you have a specific prior post that will help me, let me know -- otherwise I'm gonna have to just go by what I see now. Not trying to put you on the spot or anything, but the reference to night action caught my attention. As with my question to Blade, if you'd rather wait until after night that's cool.

Posts 939 and 943 should help.

[KWhit]

I'm out until probably around 8 or 9 tonight CST. So I hope our evening lynch is extended!

Later guys!

[Swaggs]

It just doesn't make sense to me that Mckerney as a doctor could save himself from an attack without even knowing he was attacked.

I thought that the doctor saved someone after an attack.

This doesn't sit well with me either.

I think there is little doubt that McKerney was Jack the Doctor. The Doctor's role usually is to protect someone each night, during the night action, with a % chance of protecting/saving them. If he, as some suggested, protected himself on the first night (since he knew nothing at that point) and staved off Blade's attack, I believe he would have used that info to help save himself once it was apparent that he was on the chopping block.

Otherwise, we are assuming that (1) there is a bodyguard (which is something I am willing to believe that a character like Locke or Echo could be) and (2) that the bodyguard correctly protected the one out of 21 players that was under attack the first night. Those odds seem pretty long to me.

[hoopsguy]

As we are getting later and later with the night actions being processed I think I would like to see the deadline pushed to Wednesday night. I would rather have a longer Day 3 than a shorter Day 3. If the results go up at 3PM then we have six hours, with tonight being Valentine's Day. I don't have specific plans, but I do know the wife will expect some attention tonight. So my window of time to act on the information, as well as react to other people, is going to be significantly compressed.

Obviously I'll play along with whatever decision is made and not make a big stink about it if we do have a short day. Just wanted to get my preference out there ...

[Blade6119]

This doesn't sit well with me either.

I think there is little doubt that McKerney was Jack the Doctor. The Doctor's role usually is to protect someone each night, during the night action, with a % chance of protecting/saving them. If he, as some suggested, protected himself on the first night (since he knew nothing at that point) and staved off Blade's attack, I believe he would have used that info to help save himself once it was apparent that he was on the chopping block.
The swap to him happened very near to the deadline, and i just checked...he left 3 hours before the deadline...he had no time or reason to do so when he left

[Alan T]

As we are getting later and later with the night actions being processed I think I would like to see the deadline pushed to Wednesday night. I would rather have a longer Day 3 than a shorter Day 3. If the results go up at 3PM then we have six hours, with tonight being Valentine's Day. I don't have specific plans, but I do know the wife will expect some attention tonight. So my window of time to act on the information, as well as react to other people, is going to be significantly compressed.

Obviously I'll play along with whatever decision is made and not make a big stink about it if we do have a short day. Just wanted to get my preference out there ...


I agree that the deadline shouldnt be 9pm CST tonight. However I would rather 11pm CST tonight than 3AM in the morning. if we have to choose, I would rather have either Wednesday deadline some point during the day , or later tonight, just extended some. I only really don't want them when everyone is asleep. Would be too easy for people to work together to rig something at that time.

[spleen1015]

I thought we got 12 hours after a process was complete for the next phase. I've always thought we'd get until 9pm tomorrow for Day 3. It never occured to me that it would be tonight. That's not good at all.

[Alan T]

I thought we got 12 hours after a process was complete for the next phase. I've always thought we'd get until 9pm tomorrow for Day 3. It never occured to me that it would be tonight. That's not good at all.


No you are right, Ardent said he won't move it earlier than 12 hours unless a majority of people voted for that. At this point since it does not look like people are going to get night actions in until the deadline, I guess hoops is probably right and its best to just push it to wednesday night. My point was that 3am is really bad for the next deadline :)


EVen though I am wondering who is waiting on night actions in my head. I am wondering if its just people havent gotten on today or if people are purposely waiting to see what discussion happens to decide what to do. I guess thats something I wont ever know the answer to.

[Poli]

Night actions are in, and will be posted shortly. We can have an abbreviated day that ends at 10pm CST, or we can just extend the day to last until 9 or 10pm CST tomorrow.

Which would you prefer?

[hoopsguy]

If I was playing the game as an other I would contemplate pushing the action back to make sure it didn't line up with my posting patterns.

As a moderator I intentionally left some time between receiving actions and posting actions to make sure players were not recording who was "viewing thread" to track activity.

Just some of the random thoughts I've had while playing the game in the past on both sides ... I rarely act on that stuff but if I think of it then someone else is probably using that as part of their process.

[Alan T]

Night actions are in, and will be posted shortly. We can have an abbreviated day that ends at 10pm CST, or we can just extend the day to last until 9 or 10pm CST tomorrow.

Which would you prefer?


Several people said they are gone till 9-10 tonight already. It wouldnt be fair I think for the abbriveated day at this point. I think Wednesday has to be it.

[Blade6119]

Night actions are in, and will be posted shortly. We can have an abbreviated day that ends at 10pm CST, or we can just extend the day to last until 9 or 10pm CST tomorrow.

Which would you prefer?
Id vote abbreviated day

[hoopsguy]

I would like the extended play option, but should be fine either way.

Keep in mind that KWhit won't be around to comment, so I would expect he wants a longer session as well.

[spleen1015]

It doesn't make sense to me to have a deadline at 3am when a majority of people will be unable to participate. I am crazy enough to have my wife pissed off at me for doing it, but I hope I don't have to.

[spleen1015]

I would like until tomorrow as well.

[Bearcat729]

I don't have a problem either way, but personally wouldn't mind a day that ends at 10 or 11 PM tonight

[spleen1015]

If I was playing the game as an other I would contemplate pushing the action back to make sure it didn't line up with my posting patterns.

As a moderator I intentionally left some time between receiving actions and posting actions to make sure players were not recording who was "viewing thread" to track activity.

Just some of the random thoughts I've had while playing the game in the past on both sides ... I rarely act on that stuff but if I think of it then someone else is probably using that as part of their process.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

[spleen1015]

I don't have a problem either way, but personally wouldn't mind a day that ends at 10 or 11 PM tonight

I am inclined to think that those voting for the short day are others because they know there are several survivors who can't make it by then or won't be around for a great deal of that time.

[Desnudo]

Or maybe single.

[Blade6119]

I am inclined to think that those voting for the short day are others because they know there are several survivors who can't make it by then or won't be around for a great deal of that time.
Then you can consider me an other...i already know where im going with my vote, and all that is left is to tell you guys the rest of the information i know...and that alan and desnudo are linked if you ask me, those two are the two bad guys in my mind(well, 2 of them)

[Desnudo]

I would vote for playing it by ear. If there's a clear decision by this evening, then finish the day. Otherwise, extend it an additional day.

[Poli]

It's hard to sleep at night when people around you are dropping like flies. Desmond sleeps on the outside edge of the camp, facing the outside. A few people go out to him to ask questions about what happened, but for the most part Desmond is quiet.

Survivors also ask themselves where the gun went. It virtually disappeared after Desmond dropped it. Who could possibly have it?

The guards turn over in the middle of the night, and the night goes quietly. Very quietly.

The next morning you all wake up, but one of you does not. Hoopsguy remains on the ground. Finally, one of you go to examine him, and the report is not good. Hoopsguy's neck has been snapped.

You check Hoopsguy for anything that may help identify him. All you find is his wallet, which includes a picture of his wife. A few credit cards, and it appears Hoops was a card carrying member of the Webeloys. We Be Loyal Yaks.

End Night 2. Begin Day 3. We'll extend Day 3's deadline to Wednesday at 9pm CST to get us back on track. Besides, I'd rather you be out with your Valentine than sitting at the computer all night.

[Blade6119]

VOTE ALANT

Can the bodyguard protect me tonight?

[Blade6119]

dola, forgot hes prob. already dead

[hoopsguy]

Good luck, guys. I'll be reading along.

[Alan T]

Hmm.. I had figured the night kill would go to someone else.. I figured Spleen would get it after his comments earlier... I hate losing hoops :(

Ok, well my trust circle is building a bit better for me now.. After yesterday I feel I am starting to have a group of people I am ok with. Right now this is what I am feeling:

Full trust: Pennywise, Blade

Some trust: Celeval, Desmond

Small trust: Spleen, Kwhit


Distrust: Raiders Army, Desnudo, Sndvls


neutral, or no feel: Everyone else.


This may sound weird, since Blade is leading the charge on me, but he is just misguided right now based on his hunches. I know many people have contimplated voting for him because of his lies about his role. He still isn't being completely honest with his role, but let me be clear. Voting for him would be a mistake. Don't send votes his way.

I mentioned earlier my reasons for looking at Desnudo, and I still have distrust towards Raiders Army based on some thoughts Blade tossed out yesterday, however I am starting to think that Blade guessed wrong with that also.

I really do not like what I feel is some form of setup being done. Right now Sndvls seems to be claiming a role that many people are attributing elsewhere (Sawyer). I have never seen the show, so hopefully am not being misled here. Also Sndvls seems to be attaching himself to me which never makes me feel comfortable when its someone I know very little about. Finally Sndvls has had some attachment to almost everyone that has died in this game (whether coming out trying to be the innocent protector, or whatnot). Right now I think I am going to have to go his direction.

VOTE SNDVLS

[spleen1015]

Damn. Lost an ally. It was nice playing with you hoops.

[Blade6119]

Hmm.. I had figured the night kill would go to someone else.. I figured Spleen would get it after his comments earlier... I hate losing hoops :(

Ok, well my trust circle is building a bit better for me now.. After yesterday I feel I am starting to have a group of people I am ok with. Right now this is what I am feeling:

Full trust: Pennywise, Blade

Some trust: Celeval, Desmond

Small trust: Spleen, Kwhit


Distrust: Raiders Army, Desnudo, Sndvls


neutral, or no feel: Everyone else.


This may sound weird, since Blade is leading the charge on me, but he is just misguided right now based on his hunches. I know many people have contimplated voting for him because of his lies about his role. He still isn't being completely honest with his role, but let me be clear. Voting for him would be a mistake. Don't send votes his way.

I mentioned earlier my reasons for looking at Desnudo, and I still have distrust towards Raiders Army based on some thoughts Blade tossed out yesterday, however I am starting to think that Blade guessed wrong with that also.

I really do not like what I feel is some form of setup being done. Right now Sndvls seems to be claiming a role that many people are attributing elsewhere (Sawyer). I have never seen the show, so hopefully am not being misled here. Also Sndvls seems to be attaching himself to me which never makes me feel comfortable when its someone I know very little about. Finally Sndvls has had some attachment to almost everyone that has died in this game (whether coming out trying to be the innocent protector, or whatnot). Right now I think I am going to have to go his direction.

VOTE SNDVLS
You typed all of that in less then 1-2 minutes?...wow, that just reeks of a pre-made defense...which just reeks of other

[SnDvls]

You typed all of that in less then 1-2 minutes?...wow, that just reeks of a pre-made defense...which just reeks of other


agreed. I should have never unvoted you, but I found out who your friend was in Desnudo

vote AlanT

I won't make the same mistake again.

[Blade6119]

and I still have distrust towards Raiders Army based on some thoughts Blade tossed out yesterday, however I am starting to think that Blade guessed wrong with that also.
I have been quite vocal in the fact i trust raiders...so your comment is a flat out lie...

[Alan T]

You typed all of that in less then 1-2 minutes?...wow, that just reeks of a pre-made defense...which just reeks of other

I probably took about 2 minutes to type it and then cut and pasted my trust list i keep in notepad :)

I think Im not convincing you one way or another right now, so probably best thing to convince you is to see what happens when I die :)

Either way, there is not much more I can contribute to the villagers here, I just want to make sure they do not lynch you since that seems to be where some are leaning.

[spleen1015]

We know that Mr. Wednesday, Grammaticus and mckerney were survivors from all indications. That's leaves us with 14 survivors or so...

With path12 and PackerFanatic being replacements, I am inclined to think they are survivors, but I won't base any decisions on this. I don't like the idea of replacements and I don't like inactive players. One of my big gripes is PackerFanatic abstained from voting on Day 2 because he wasn't caught up on what's going on. This screams survivor to me. Were he an other, I think he would been obligated to vote for someone. By not voting, essentially not wanting to give a blind vote to a possible fellow survivor, he abstains. path12 replaced tabglewood after the vote deadline for Day 2. tanglewood missed 2 votes telling me he's not an other.

Another problem I have with inactivity is it gives the others an advantage. They know who the good guys are, so when one of the good guys are inactive, that inactive person is not a threat to them. In the meantime, you have guys like Blade being very active, throwing everything out there. If these folks are active, then this may not necessarily be the case. This goes for everyone whose activity level isn't very high, not just the new guys.

I know without a shadow of a doubt that KWhit, hoops and I are all survivors. I believe pennywise to be one as well, but he came late enough in the game for there to be some doubt. I also believe that Blade is on the good side. I just have the same reservations that everyone else has about his role being too strong. But that doesn't matter too much for me right now.

Raiders Army has to be an other in my mind. He continues to point me out as a suspect and it has been made pretty obvious that I am not a bad guy. In post 1053 I am a part of the circle of trust by association. I think this should get the crosshairs off of me for the time being at least. Then, he posts in 1058 that he believes he and I are more alike than I think. But, I'm back on the suspect list with post 1363. I believe I have the support of KWhit, hoops, Blade, pennywise and king at the very least. There may be 2-3 other who haven't spoken up. I think it is pretty clear that I am a survivor. This just doesn't add up to me. So, Raiders remains #1 on my list.

Alan T is suspect #2 because of Blade's strong conviction that he is an other. This may be a bandwagoned opinion, but call it whatever you want. Blade has me convinced to a degree on that and I won't deny it.

king claims a better than average level of trust with me with post 1185. When I read it, I immediately thought I had another ally. My thoughts have changed on that now though. Everyone claims there was a wolf involved in the king votes on Day 1. Why not king himself? It is my hope that he'll prove to be on my side.

At this point, it appears Desnudo and Desmond are survivors as well after Day 2's lynching narative.

I have seen Bearcat observing the thread quite a bit without a lot of input. This screams other to me, the snake in the grass idea.

I was suspicious of Celeval yesterday, but that has waned a bit over night and today and I am unclear on what to feel about him.

I don't have much of a read on the rest of the group. I know that not all of the others are going to be overly active. So, someone I haven't discussed here is an other. Sndvls, Swaggs, saldana, and Schmidty.

***NOTE*** I had this ready before we lost hoops.

[Blade6119]

agreed. I should have never unvoted you, but I found out who your friend was in Desnudo

vote AlanT

I won't make the same mistake again.
Care to elaborate on your desnudo claim? I have seen no one mention him but myself a bit ago...all day i watched those two as wolves, but waited to play my hand. What do you see?

[SnDvls]

I really do not like what I feel is some form of setup being done. Right now Sndvls seems to be claiming a role that many people are attributing elsewhere (Sawyer). I have never seen the show, so hopefully am not being misled here. Also Sndvls seems to be attaching himself to me which never makes me feel comfortable when its someone I know very little about. Finally Sndvls has had some attachment to almost everyone that has died in this game (whether coming out trying to be the innocent protector, or whatnot). Right now I think I am going to have to go his direction.




you are reaching at straws claiming someone else is putting my role elsewhere. desmond shot someone, could be many people from the show lost who shot someone on the island which is where we are and where it takes place. Where is my attachment to Mckerney?? what about Mr. W?? you got had wolf, tonight it's you next is Desnudo.

[Alan T]

I have been quite vocal in the fact i trust raiders...so your comment is a flat out lie...


Sorry, I typed that out fast, what that was in reference to was your thoughts that one of the king voters was an other. That meant either you, Penny or Raiders. I am really confident that you and Penny are not others, so that leaves just raiders. Only other thought would be if you were wrong on that hunch which meant none of them were others.

I believe you will find that to be factual and not a lie unless I completely misunderstood your 50/50 arguement before.

[PackerFanatic]

One of my big gripes is PackerFanatic abstained from voting on Day 2 because he wasn't caught up on what's going on. This screams survivor to me. Were he an other, I think he would been obligated to vote for someone. By not voting, essentially not wanting to give a blind vote to a possible fellow survivor, he abstains.

Which is exactly why I didn't vote. I lumped a vote in XXI and ended up voting for a villager.

I am a survivor, through and through, and I hope all make the right decisions today. Losing hoops is no good...

I am leaning toward voting for AlanT, but will make my vote for sure tomorrow.

They took my boy!!! *cries*

[Desnudo]

agreed. I should have never unvoted you, but I found out who your friend was in Desnudo

vote AlanT

I won't make the same mistake again.

Well this is easy, Sherlock. If you build all your cases on flimsy evidence, then you'll be out of business soon. It's clear you have it in for me and there's nothing I can do about except:

Vote SnDvls

[SnDvls]

Care to elaborate on your desnudo claim? I have seen no one mention him but myself a bit ago...all day i watched those two as wolves, but waited to play my hand. What do you see?


in my voting for him yesterday/last night. There is a reason he waited to vote, he needed to sway the vote away from Alan if needed, I unfortunally helped them by moving off him myself an error I won't repeat today. He then found himself in trouble. He is doing wolf like posts all throughout. claims to not be following or reading asking for the adbridged version ect. He's adding just enough to look involved and helpful, but not really helping at all.
I think I have a good idea based on last nights votes who a third wolf is too. We'll have to see how that person acts today.

[SnDvls]

Well this is easy, Sherlock. If you build all your cases on flimsy evidence, then you'll be out of business soon. It's clear you have it in for me and there's nothing I can do about except:

Vote SnDvls


notice a pattern forming here? both voted Mr. W (survivor) both voted Mckerney (survivor) both are now voting me (survivor)

[spleen1015]

notice a pattern forming here? both voted Mr. W (survivor) both voted Mckerney (survivor) both are now voting me (survivor)

Hmm.

I am hoping to hear more from Blade soon now that night actions are over.

[SnDvls]

Alan & Desnudo which of you boys wants to go down, because I know it won't be me?

[Blade6119]

Then you can consider me an other...i already know where im going with my vote, and all that is left is to tell you guys the rest of the information i know...and that alan and desnudo are linked if you ask me, those two are the two bad guys in my mind(well, 2 of them)
Wanted to requote this...posted before the night...just saying it was there before sun sees it right now

[Alan T]

Alan & Desnudo which of you boys wants to go down, because I know it won't be me?

I already said that what I can do for the villagers is pretty much done, not much further I can contribute other than telling people for sure to not kill Penny and Blade, and likely not Celeval or Desmond. The only other thing I can contribute I guess is a trail of blood for people to see who voted for me and has been against me when I die to then pick their next choices from.

I will not vouch for Desnudo, since I don't have much from him other than a bad vibe, but I am pretty sure right now you've latched on to Blade's train to try to have an out later. When I do die, I want people to know Blade is just misguided, but I think you do know what you are doing.

[spleen1015]

There has to be a reason they went after hoops. He knew something. Something he has done made him a target.

[Swaggs]

I already have my vote set, as well.

But I will wait until later in the game, so the others have less time to reconfigure their votes if it is close.

[Desnudo]

Alan & Desnudo which of you boys wants to go down, because I know it won't be me?

How about me, freckles? :p

[spleen1015]

How about me, freckles? :p

lol

[Blade6119]

Hmm.

I am hoping to hear more from Blade soon now that night actions are over.
Did you see my response to your long thread...just making sure...

I ask you kill one of alan or desnudo(ideally alan) today. Tonight i can kill the other. My failure on night one was truthful, but it opened the door for me to choose again. The stipulation was i had to wait a full day cycle. I didnt want that out there before the night as i figured it would force them to come after me. More can come with time. Lets talk spleen

[SnDvls]

Did you see my response to your long thread...just making sure...

I ask you kill one of alan or desnudo(ideally alan) today. Tonight i can kill the other. My failure on night one was truthful, but it opened the door for me to choose again. The stipulation was i had to wait a full day cycle. I didnt want that out there before the night as i figured it would force them to come after me. More can come with time. Lets talk spleen

actually spleen I want you to vote alan or me as it will clear a lot of people blade included.

I"M TELLING EVERYONE RIGHT NOW VOTE ALAN OR I!!

what will happen after that will clear me for sure and if it doesn't clear blade it will clear desnudo and point the finger straight back a blade if you don't belive him.

[spleen1015]

Did you see my response to your long thread...just making sure...

I ask you kill one of alan or desnudo(ideally alan) today. Tonight i can kill the other. My failure on night one was truthful, but it opened the door for me to choose again. The stipulation was i had to wait a full day cycle. I didnt want that out there before the night as i figured it would force them to come after me. More can come with time. Lets talk spleen

The one I just posted a few minutes ago? I don't see any reply from you for that one. Am I blind?

[Blade6119]

There has to be a reason they went after hoops. He knew something. Something he has done made him a target.
How about the fact he was convinced that alan was bad?... :rolleyes:

[SnDvls]

this will open up the game for the survivors. trust me.

[Blade6119]

The one I just posted a few minutes ago? I don't see any reply from you for that one. Am I blind?
LOL, i have two windows up and its sitting waiting to be posted in the other window...sorry buddy

[Blade6119]

This just doesn't add up to me. So, Raiders remains #1 on my list.
If you want to assume im good, then im going to have to ask for you to not go after raiders right now...deal with raiders later and you will be better off

[Alan T]

this will open up the game for the survivors. trust me.

I agree fully actually. I think nailing a wolf here will help show exactly who has been manipulating things behind the scenes.

[SnDvls]

I agree fully actually. I think nailing a wolf here will help show exactly who has been manipulating things behind the scenes.


good then the two people on the line say vote one of us. it's settled.

[SnDvls]

we might actually make this a short day. :)

[Blade6119]

I agree fully actually. I think nailing a wolf here will help show exactly who has been manipulating things behind the scenes.
Alan, im willing to work with you on this point...Sounds to me like sun is claiming you two are oppositely linked...any ideas?

[Alan T]

Alan, im willing to work with you on this point...Sounds to me like sun is claiming you two are oppositely linked...any ideas?

I think hoops was on to something yesterday when he said Sndvls was trying to make himself look good. He basically took the idea that you and Hoops were running with and jumped right in the middle of it without really providing any further information to it and proceeded to be a part of a potential bandwagon from the start when I had an early 3-1 lead or something close. Then when the momentum slowed down and it looked like it was going to be a wide open race, he jumped for what looked to be the next bandwagon (and likely wolf in my opinion) Desnudo. I think Sndvls had a big part in yesterday being as close as it was, and possibly even a tie. They might have assumed it would end with no lynching like the last WW game did, but luckily we had a tiebreaker to foil it.

I think that right now on today he once again is trying to jump on someone else's bandwagon where if it ended badly he could say that he was fooled by you and you must be bad. Now he is just trying to save face without looking too desperate.

I might be wrong, but I think Hoops was on the right track here

[SnDvls]

I think that right now on today he once again is trying to jump on someone else's bandwagon where if it ended badly he could say that he was fooled by you and you must be bad. Now he is just trying to save face without looking too desperate.


it will not end badly for me that is for sure.

[Blade6119]

I think hoops was on to something yesterday when he said Sndvls was trying to make himself look good. He basically took the idea that you and Hoops were running with and jumped right in the middle of it without really providing any further information to it and proceeded to be a part of a potential bandwagon from the start when I had an early 3-1 lead or something close. Then when the momentum slowed down and it looked like it was going to be a wide open race, he jumped for what looked to be the next bandwagon (and likely wolf in my opinion) Desnudo. I think Sndvls had a big part in yesterday being as close as it was, and possibly even a tie. They might have assumed it would end with no lynching like the last WW game did, but luckily we had a tiebreaker to foil it.

I think that right now on today he once again is trying to jump on someone else's bandwagon where if it ended badly he could say that he was fooled by you and you must be bad. Now he is just trying to save face without looking too desperate.

I might be wrong, but I think Hoops was on the right track here
I agree it has been odd, and his discovery of a desnudo/alan link would have been far more trustworth had it not come not 10 minutes after i bring it up for the first time...i dont know suns role, so this play worries me. Sun is usually only very aggresive when he is a wolf, and generally he always waits to go crazy till accused(which you did...his came after yours)...

Damn you sun, this was one of the 1-2 things i honestly worried about for throwing me off the alan trail...you were the one i worried about pulling this...damn you sun

[Alan T]

well like I said before, at this point in the game, perhaps my death can help tell the villagers more than me staying alive. I've never lived past day 3 in any WW game for a reason I guess :) Either way, with my death or not, I expect we shall all know the truth about Sun really soon.

[path12]

Posts 939 and 943 should help.

Thank you. That did indeed.

[Swaggs]

Anyone have a vote history handy? :)

[Desnudo]

in my voting for him yesterday/last night. There is a reason he waited to vote, he needed to sway the vote away from Alan if needed, I unfortunally helped them by moving off him myself an error I won't repeat today. He then found himself in trouble. He is doing wolf like posts all throughout. claims to not be following or reading asking for the adbridged version ect. He's adding just enough to look involved and helpful, but not really helping at all.
I think I have a good idea based on last nights votes who a third wolf is too. We'll have to see how that person acts today.

I've already explained my reasoning for asking for summaries from people. I'm not going to reread pages of posts if I can get the answer in a few sentences and get a read on people. If something really requires attention, then I will put time into it.

No one wants to listen to my explainations though. Guilt already decided.

What exactly was there to discuss on Day 1 that I was so unhelpful with? Anything substantial? No one knows anything. On Day 2, I pushed the idea that someone from the King voters group was an Other. I also called out the people who were inactive. Of course that resulted in me getting a vote from Schmidty in a rare appearance. So you're basically saying I'm being unhelpful when I was trying to be a lot more useful than a good chunk of people who don't say hardly anything at all?

My vote was withheld to avoid generating votes on myself. Schmidty pops in and votes for me and leaves. Anyone I voted for then becomes a possible second vote on me. I withheld my vote so that I could save my own ass. If you've already decided I'm guilty, then good for you, you'll be able to help push the Others another step ahead towards victory.

I'm actually starting to understand a little how Blade feels sometimes. I was going to put my spreadsheet from last game together, but honestly, I'm feeling selfish right now. In that right now I don't really care if the survivors win if I die before the game ends.

[Blade6119]

You know whats funny, the two people im most sure are wovles, desnudo and alan, have been the two ive agreed with the most recently...which worries me for good and bad reasons...

[SnDvls]

Blade - I'm telling you I won't die tonight period you can read into it all you want.

[PackerFanatic]

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