Werewolf XXXVI: Resident Evil (S.T.A.R.S. Wins! Post #1424)

[Fouts]

Just caught up. Looks like I didn't miss much. I'll say the same thing as yesterday though.. anyone responsible for a last minute tie will get my vote tommorrow.

So, what do we learn from Lathum's lynch?

[Lathum]

Okay, so I think Alan's theorys are border line far out there, but I dont think that makes him a zombie... After reading this and realizing that AlanT has in fact answered every question we have thrown at him, I have concluded either he got a degree in BS or he is a STARS. With that being said, I dont like the votes for Cronin... That leaves Lathum. And between lathum and alant, alant has been far more helpful and amusing thus far.

Unvote AlanT/B]

[B]Vote Lathum

well then throw some questions at me. I'll be more then happy to answer them.

[ntndeacon]

I think NTN just pulled Fout's name out of his ass and now we are suspicious about him with no real proof

This is correct. idid just pull Fout's name out of my ass.

[Alan T]

So, what do we learn from Lathum's lynch?

Well I personally feel that it tells us perhaps a bit about you.. from what i have seen the only real connection I have seen from him is a tie to you this morning. If he is bad, it might be enough for me to go for you tommorrow instead of Cronin. If he is good, it doesn't necessarily clear you, but I am not any more eager to go for you.

That said, my vote isnt going to lathum as I think we learn the most from Cronin's death.

[Alan T]

This is correct. idid just pull Fout's name out of my ass.

Its good that his name is short then. If you pulled Lonestargirl or Mr.Wednesday out of your ass, your ass might be sore! :)

[Fouts]

well then throw some questions at me. I'll be more then happy to answer them.

Classic wolf post.

[Tyrith]

Lathum has been opposed to both cronin and alan -- I'm firmly convinced we need to kill one of those trio. Lathum won't be the lightning rod for votes those three will be. Lathum's death lets us know some about Fouts. Cronin's death isn't as good becuase of the second two points. Sndvls is highly suspicious to me but he hasn't been part of the focus and we need some direction about the people that have been the centerpieces of our discussion.

[hoopsguy]

Nothing as conclusive as we would from a Cronin lynch, that would provide clarity for Day 1 actions one way or another.

That said, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly today we already have that answer.

[Tyrith]

Nothing as conclusive as we would from a Cronin lynch, that would provide clarity for Day 1 actions one way or another.

That said, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly today we already have that answer.

I assume you think he's good, from that?

[Fouts]

Well I personally feel that it tells us perhaps a bit about you.. from what i have seen the only real connection I have seen from him is a tie to you this morning. If he is bad, it might be enough for me to go for you tommorrow instead of Cronin. If he is good, it doesn't necessarily clear you, but I am not any more eager to go for you.

That said, my vote isnt going to lathum as I think we learn the most from Cronin's death.

Well great. Either Lathum is bad so I am bad, or Lathum is good but I still might be bad. Looks like a lose-lose for me.

[hoopsguy]

Tyrith, I think Cronin is STARS based on what I have seen from others both directly and indirectly today. Hopefully I'm keying off the correct people while drawing this conclusion.

[Alan T]

Well great. Either Lathum is bad so I am bad, or Lathum is good but I still might be bad. Looks like a lose-lose for me.

Got to love WW :)

[Alan T]

Tyrith, I think Cronin is STARS based on what I have seen from others both directly and indirectly today. Hopefully I'm keying off the correct people while drawing this conclusion.

I have the complete opposite take which is funny. Everything I have seen today has done nothing but reassure me that he is bad.

[Tyrith]

Tyrith, I think Cronin is STARS based on what I have seen from others both directly and indirectly today. Hopefully I'm keying off the correct people while drawing this conclusion.

For the time being I agree with you.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, if we are actually on the same side this game (what are the odds?) then one of us will have an "I told you so!" forthcoming on this point, I guess.

If we are on different sides, well then I guess I'm not all that surprised we have different viewpoints.

[Lathum]

Classic wolf post.

dude, posts like that are gonna make people even more suspiscous of you.

LSG asked if I was gonna be around, here I am. Fire away. I really don't see what I've done to cause sucpiscoun. I was one of 6 or seven people who didn't vote for bulletsponge, now a know STARS member so take that for what's it worth. I would think todays lynch victim would be someone who voted for bullet but go ahead and lynch me if you like, you'll be in a worse spot tomorrow.

[ntndeacon]

It is important to look at the circumstances of the vote, but it is also worth looking at what happened after the vote. Why did that vote not change? Was Ntn not around, or was there a reason he didn't want to move to the other two?

I was in and out yesterday Brian. right after my vote I was called away for a couple of hours, but iwas back way before deadline. I could have changed my vote Isuppose, but Idid not see that that helped us any since icould not tell that one or the other or neither or both were bad. Thus I left my vote were it lie.

[Alan T]

Alan, if we are actually on the same side this game (what are the odds?) then one of us will have an "I told you so!" forthcoming on this point, I guess.

If we are on different sides, well then I guess I'm not all that surprised we have different viewpoints.

I suppose so!

Just a question to the lathum voters.. while I don't have a huge problem with you going after Lathum, just curious what we are going to do from here?

I am curious from lathum voters:

What would you do tommorrow if Lathum is good?

What would you do tommorrow if Lathum is bad?

This is with the assumption that nothing big happens at night and we are left with just the information from today's lynch.

[Lathum]

Lathum has been opposed to both cronin and alan -- I'm firmly convinced we need to kill one of those trio. Lathum won't be the lightning rod for votes those three will be. Lathum's death lets us know some about Fouts. Cronin's death isn't as good becuase of the second two points. Sndvls is highly suspicious to me but he hasn't been part of the focus and we need some direction about the people that have been the centerpieces of our discussion.

I'm not really opposed to Alan, I just think his theory doesn't make sense and I called him out on it, time will tell if I am right or wrong.

[BrianD]

I was in and out yesterday Brian. right after my vote I was called away for a couple of hours, but iwas back way before deadline. I could have changed my vote Isuppose, but Idid not see that that helped us any since icould not tell that one or the other or neither or both were bad. Thus I left my vote were it lie.

I'm assuming you are still catching up, but I think we've agreed that your vote wasn't a PC move. It was something to explore though.

[Fouts]

dude, posts like that are gonna make people even more suspiscous of you.

LSG asked if I was gonna be around, here I am. Fire away. I really don't see what I've done to cause sucpiscoun. I was one of 6 or seven people who didn't vote for bulletsponge, now a know STARS member so take that for what's it worth. I would think todays lynch victim would be someone who voted for bullet but go ahead and lynch me if you like, you'll be in a worse spot tomorrow.

Well, I don't have a vote on you, so I guess you are directing that towards everyone that does. I think people are afraid of you based on the last few games.

[BrianD]

Has everybody forgotten about the st.cronin "you all suck, I'm going home" move? Am I the only one that still thinks that was an act of desperation of a condemned man? I'm surprised it worked as well as it seems to have.

[Tyrith]

I suppose so!

Just a question to the lathum voters.. while I don't have a huge problem with you going after Lathum, just curious what we are going to do from here?

I am curious from lathum voters:

What would you do tommorrow if Lathum is good?

What would you do tommorrow if Lathum is bad?

This is with the assumption that nothing big happens at night and we are left with just the information from today's lynch.

Sndvls is going to be a primary grilling target for me tomorrow, either way. If he's bad I go back to linkages to Fouts, see if there is anything there at all. If he's good that mostly gets rid of that angle for Fouts and cronin will be a primary suspect.

I'd ask the same questions to you, here.

[Tyrith]

Has everybody forgotten about the st.cronin "you all suck, I'm going home" move? Am I the only one that still thinks that was an act of desperation of a condemned man? I'm surprised it worked as well as it seems to have.

I don't really think it did anything. He apologized, which makes me think it a genuine type blow up. If it wasn't and I find out I'm going to hate his guts, but I would like to think we don't game each other quite that much.

[Alan T]

Sndvls is going to be a primary grilling target for me tomorrow, either way. If he's bad I go back to linkages to Fouts, see if there is anything there at all. If he's good that mostly gets rid of that angle for Fouts and cronin will be a primary suspect.

I'd ask the same questions to you, here.

out of curiosity.. other than the 3 way tie it would create, if you are so big after sndvls, why would you not go after him today?

I already said my thoughts on if lathum is good or bad earlier. if bad, I go after fouts.. if good, Im back on cronin again tommorrow

[Alan T]

I don't really think it did anything. He apologized, which makes me think it a genuine type blow up. If it wasn't and I find out I'm going to hate his guts, but I would like to think we don't game each other quite that much.

The only concern I have about that whole ordeal is it happened just like I predicted.

The blow up, the 5-0 lead on st.cronin.

The sudden 3 votes on me followed by Cronin's vote to me to tie it all up all in the course of time it took me to drive home from work.

Its kind of like we saw that coming a mile away and it happened just as predicted.

[Lathum]

tyrith, you said earlier that the only reason you voted for me was Alan basicly convinced you to, then you switched off of me, I'm just curious why you switched back and what your defense is gonna be when I come back good?

[Tyrith]

out of curiosity.. other than the 3 way tie it would create, if you are so big after sndvls, why would you not go after him today?

I already said my thoughts on if lathum is good or bad earlier. if bad, I go after fouts.. if good, Im back on cronin again tommorrow

Because we need to kill someone out of the cronin/lathum/you trio to see where we stand, otherwise this entire thing is going to haunt us for days. I suspect sndvls but I don't have much to go on. If we don't somehow deal with the major players conversation it's going to drag on and on and on and we won't be able to get anything productive done. No, someone out of the group has to die.

[Alan T]

The only concern I have about that whole ordeal is it happened just like I predicted.

The blow up, the 5-0 lead on st.cronin.

The sudden 3 votes on me followed by Cronin's vote to me to tie it all up all in the course of time it took me to drive home from work.

Its kind of like we saw that coming a mile away and it happened just as predicted.

Just to illustrate what I am talking about here:

(553) BrianD votes St.Cronin (5)
(564) Spleen votes Alan (1)
(573) Tyrith votes Fouts (1)
(580) Lonestargirl votes Alan (2)
(586) St.cronin UNVOTES St.cronin (4) ***
(586) St.cronin votes Alan (3)
(602) Tyrith UNVOTES Fouts (0) ***
(602) Tyrith Votes Alan (4)

I think I left around the second vote, but this all happened I believe within an hour

[Lathum]

oh, and has anyone else cronin has switched his vote TWICE to create ties, I at least am thinking about the overall group and sticking with my vote even if it means my own neck in the process.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not really sure what information I take from a Lathum lynch either way. The time I have spent today in the thread was directed towards targeting the person I thought most likely to be a Umbrella/Zombie, not necessarily a step to try and provide linkage to others.

[BrianD]

I don't really think it did anything. He apologized, which makes me think it a genuine type blow up. If it wasn't and I find out I'm going to hate his guts, but I would like to think we don't game each other quite that much.

I suppose if you didn't think the blowup was calculated, you wouldn't think the apology was either. I'll be curious to look back at this situation when the game is over.

[Alan T]

Just to illustrate what I am talking about here:

(553) BrianD votes St.Cronin (5)
(564) Spleen votes Alan (1)
(573) Tyrith votes Fouts (1)
(580) Lonestargirl votes Alan (2)
(586) St.cronin UNVOTES St.cronin (4) ***
(586) St.cronin votes Alan (3)
(602) Tyrith UNVOTES Fouts (0) ***
(602) Tyrith Votes Alan (4)

I think I left around the second vote, but this all happened I believe within an hour

Ahh guess it happened within 2 hours. but still you get the point

[Tyrith]

Just to illustrate what I am talking about here:

(553) BrianD votes St.Cronin (5)
(564) Spleen votes Alan (1)
(573) Tyrith votes Fouts (1)
(580) Lonestargirl votes Alan (2)
(586) St.cronin UNVOTES St.cronin (4) ***
(586) St.cronin votes Alan (3)
(602) Tyrith UNVOTES Fouts (0) ***
(602) Tyrith Votes Alan (4)

I think I left around the second vote, but this all happened I believe within an hour

You neglect to mention that three of those votes have since been moved.

[hoopsguy]

Chief, you ever going to post today? Or just lurk up to deadline?

[Alan T]

You neglect to mention that three of those votes have since been moved.

Sure, the entire scenerio has changed since then too. But the fact still remains, it happened pretty much like I predicted it would.. right?

Here is the entire course of day votes so far

(445) Alan votes St.Cronin (1)
(452) Lathum votes St.Cronin (2)
(454) St. Cronin votes Lathum (1)
(527) St.Cronin UNVOTES Lathum (0) ***
(527) St.cronin votes Alan (1)
(538) Anxiety votes St.Cronin (3)
(546) St. Cronin UNVOTES Alan (0) ***
(546) St. Cronin votes St.Cronin (4)
(553) BrianD votes St.Cronin (5)
(564) Spleen votes Alan (1)
(573) Tyrith votes Fouts (1)
(580) Lonestargirl votes Alan (2)
(586) St.cronin UNVOTES St.cronin (4) ***
(586) St.cronin votes Alan (3)
(602) Tyrith UNVOTES Fouts (0) ***
(602) Tyrith Votes Alan (4)
(631) Fouts votes BrianD (1)
(641) Mr. Wednesday votes BrianD (2)
(642) path votes Lathum (1)
(643) hoops votes Lathum (2)
(658) Sndvls votes Alan (5)
(665) Tyrith UNVOTES Alan (4) ***
(665) Tyrith Votes Lathum (3)
(698) Lonestargirl UNVOTES Alan (3) ***
(698) Lonestargirl Votes lathum (4)
(700) Glengoyne votes Sndvls (1)
(714) St.Cronin UNVOTES Alan (2) ***
(714) St.cronin votes Lathum (5)
(741) Fouts UNVOTES BrianD (1) ***
(741) Fouts votes Sndvls (2)
(745) Saldana votes Sndvls (3)

[Tyrith]

oh, and has anyone else cronin has switched his vote TWICE to create ties, I at least am thinking about the overall group and sticking with my vote even if it means my own neck in the process.

Switching a vote with hours remaining isn't exactly "creating ties" in the sense you want us to take it. This screams of a desperation play.

[Alan T]

Chief, you ever going to post today? Or just lurk up to deadline?

Knowing chief, he probably is catching up the reading, going through checking notes, checking facts and going to present some thought out reasoning for his vote. Which is what I would hope he would do at least...

[Tyrith]

I'd really love it if Rum and NTN put in some votes before 5 minutes left. If they screw with it and force a tie we have to ritualistically slaughter them tomorrow.

[Alan T]

You neglect to mention that three of those votes have since been moved.

Since you directed my attention to it.. any particular reason both you and Lonestargirl have been voting together today? Or just Coeincidence?

(I know this is a rhetorical question. Mainly asking it in a way so everyone notices it. Not sure if it means much. Would have to go back and read the posts to find if some outside reasoning caused it)

[Alan T]

I'd really love it if Rum and NTN put in some votes before 5 minutes left. If they screw with it and force a tie we have to ritualistically slaughter them tomorrow.

I agree... if they are on the good side, they both really need to vote with 10 min remaining or more.. that way any attempt to shift what appears to be the final vote will show up loud and clear to condemn people trying to save folks.

[Tyrith]

Since you directed my attention to it.. any particular reason both you and Lonestargirl have been voting together today? Or just Coeincidence?

(I know this is a rhetorical question. Mainly asking it in a way so everyone notices it. Not sure if it means much. Would have to go back and read the posts to find if some outside reasoning caused it)

Coincidence, I'm fairly pissed at her about the whining thing. Yeah, it would make perfect cover, but you saw how I reacted to you when I thought it was getting touchy -- I'd have to be doing a perfect fake job all day. I actually didn't notice that until you mentioned it.

[Alan T]

Is 206 posts by day 2 a record? Ugh.. i feel like I have been on ESPN's hot seat all day. Guess I brought it onto myself though. My hand hurts from too much typing though.

[saldana]

i am out for the night, i dont think there has ever been so many different ways a vote could end up this close to the deadline...hopefully we bag an umbrella/zombie.

[Lathum]

Switching a vote with hours remaining isn't exactly "creating ties" in the sense you want us to take it. This screams of a desperation play.

yeah, except he keeps switching to the "popular" candidate at the time

[Fouts]

Chief, you ever going to post today? Or just lurk up to deadline?

We had a guest hanging around earlier, too (not Chief Rum). Something fishy going on?

[Alan T]

We had a guest hanging around earlier, too (not Chief Rum). Something fishy going on?

I've seen them here on and off all day. I havent thought too much about it

[Tyrith]

yeah, except he keeps switching to the "popular" candidate at the time

Would you prefer he switch to random people? :P Us good guys aren't possesed with the great insight as to who is on which team like you all are. And he does have to try to stay alive.

Fouts, it could be anything, don't worry about it.

[Chief Rum]

Good freakin' God, it took me two hours to read all this crap (I also had to do review of Day 1's posts, because I stupidly dozed last night and just scanned them).

I liked Alan's original theory and am inclined to vote for st cronin. But this produces a tie. And Alan said he would vote for whoever forces a tie. So what the hack? I support his theory with my post and then get a vote from him?

Really, I don't like Lathum as a bad guy (just a gut feeling right now), and feel like any squabbling between him and Alan is good villager-good villager. st cronin feels bad to me, although maybe that's just my impression of his experience as a player.

I hope I have the votes right. At the risk of pissing off Alan, I will place a vote for st cronin, because in the end, that's who I feel is the best bet for a baddie at this point.

VOTE ST CRONIN

Sorry for keeping you guys waiting.

[Glengoyne]

I'd really love it if Rum and NTN put in some votes before 5 minutes left. If they screw with it and force a tie we have to ritualistically slaughter them tomorrow.

This nearly resulted in Dinner on my monitor.

[hoopsguy]

Have a feeling this is going to be a hectic finish.

[hoopsguy]

No pressure, deacon. 5-5 tie with less than 15 to go.

[Chief Rum]

Why is a tie bad? Surely someone still dies? I don't see anything in the rules indicating otherwise, unless I am misreading it. bullet is dead so "lucky" is gone, unless there are more than one lucky players.

[Alan T]

Good freakin' God, it took me two hours to read all this crap (I also had to do review of Day 1's posts, because I stupidly dozed last night and just scanned them).

I liked Alan's original theory and am inclined to vote for st cronin. But this produces a tie. And Alan said he would vote for whoever forces a tie. So what the hack? I support his theory with my post and then get a vote from him?

Really, I don't like Lathum as a bad guy (just a gut feeling right now), and feel like any squabbling between him and Alan is good villager-good villager. st cronin feels bad to me, although maybe that's just my impression of his experience as a player.

I hope I have the votes right. At the risk of pissing off Alan, I will place a vote for st cronin, because in the end, that's who I feel is the best bet for a baddie at this point.

VOTE ST CRONIN

Sorry for keeping you guys waiting.

To be honest... yes if your vote ends up ending us in a tie, I will vote for you tommorrow. Because we will have learned nothing from today.

Ntndeacon still has time to vote however.. but it better happen soon, or the last 2 min of today will likely get someone lynched for a last minute change

[hoopsguy]

Ties = no one dead, per Chubby.

[Alan T]

Why is a tie bad? Surely someone still dies? I don't see anything in the rules indicating otherwise, unless I am misreading it. bullet is dead so "lucky" is gone, unless there are more than one lucky players.

A tie ends in no lynch.

[Chief Rum]

A tie ends in no lynch.

Shit.

Okay, I missed that. Rethinking.

[hoopsguy]

As I don't think it was spelled out in the rules:

You must vote to lynch each day
A tie vote results in no lynch

Not in rules, but Post #64.

[Lathum]

I stongly encourage someone who has voted on sndvls, alanT, etc.. to switch to St.Cronin. Chief is way to smart a player to force a tie at this point to try and save a fellow bad guy this early. I think that should tell you all you need to know.

[Chief Rum]

UNVOTE ST CRONIN

VOTE LATHUM

This sucks. I guess this is what I get for not being around to vote and discuss in the daytime.

[Alan T]

Shit.

Okay, I missed that. Rethinking.

At this point, its probably best to let ntndeacon make his vote. if you make a vote and he makes a vote it could cause a new mess...

Ntndeacon no rush, but you really need a vote in the next 2-3 min or we could have chaos on our hands

[Chief Rum]

Lathum is by no means clear in my mind, but my vote will force a certain lynch, unless we have switches. If someone must die for us to learn anything, then I will go for the guy in the lead. But I don't like this. I don't think he's a zombie, and despise the choices being given here (other than st cronin).

[hoopsguy]

You despise SnDvls as a choice as well, Chief?

[Lathum]

chief, switch back to st.cronin. If ntn or someone doesn't go to St'Cronin I will unvote Cronin and vote someone else so there is no tie. If you think I am good at least give me that chance

[Alan T]

Well I guess now we get to see if anyone tries anything to save Lathum at the deadline. Its less likely with a 6-4 lead though than a 5-4 lead from earlier I am guessing.

[Chief Rum]

At this point, its probably best to let ntndeacon make his vote. if you make a vote and he makes a vote it could cause a new mess...

Ntndeacon no rush, but you really need a vote in the next 2-3 min or we could have chaos on our hands

That's why I voted the way I did. I just chose Lathum to die, frankly against my better judgment, from the belief that we need to have a kill of someone, even if it's someone with a high likelihood of being good.

And now anyone who had Lathum in their good graces is going to kill me tomorrow (or tonight, come to think of it).

[ntndeacon]

Vote Lathum

[Alan T]

chief, switch back to st.cronin. If ntn or someone doesn't go to St'Cronin I will unvote Cronin and vote someone else so there is no tie. If you think I am good at least give me that chance

I don't like this post at all. It's just asking for a "Oh woops, didnt know you were going to unvote." or a "Didn't think you would in time"

I just see us ending up in a tie somehow

[Tyrith]

chief, switch back to st.cronin. If ntn or someone doesn't go to St'Cronin I will unvote Cronin and vote someone else so there is no tie. If you think I am good at least give me that chance

Begging for votes is incredibly wolfish. If you had a good role you could have told us already, now it's too late. We shouldn't give you the cards like that, you're a suspect, so don't ask.

[Chief Rum]

You despise SnDvls as a choice as well, Chief?

I don't know what to make of SnDvls. He's just odd right now. If I choose Sndvls or BrianD, you guys will say I am avoiding the vote and lynch me anyway.

[Lathum]

chief, a big part of the game is in your hands, you have my word I'll do the right thing

[Alan T]

Vote Lathum

well guess that settles that

[Tyrith]

I don't know what to make of SnDvls. He's just odd right now. If I choose Sndvls or BrianD, you guys will say I am avoiding the vote and lynch me anyway.

Yeah. Unfortunate reality is that you're screwed into your vote right now. Sucks, but you're doing the right thing for the team.

[Chief Rum]

chief, switch back to st.cronin. If ntn or someone doesn't go to St'Cronin I will unvote Cronin and vote someone else so there is no tie. If you think I am good at least give me that chance

Sorry, Lathum, I made the decision I made, and I will have to live with the consequences of going against my gut but for the team. And the people around here aren't shy about doling out punishments to those like me.

[ntndeacon]

Sorry I was trying to catch up.

[Alan T]

Sorry, Lathum, I made the decision I made, and I will have to live with the consequences of going against my gut but for the team. And the people around here aren't shy about doling out punishments to those like me.

For the record, I won't punish you one way or another for the vote. I don't have a huge issue for lathum as the choice today, even though I am not voting for him. If he ends up good, I will be a bit suprised.

[Lathum]

I love how in the tombstone game I got blasted for being quiet early on and in this game I got blasted for being to vocal.

I'm done with werewolf for a while.

[Chief Rum]

If it makes you feel any better, Lathum, I will probably be joining you in the afterlife tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, if you are going to show up STARS spilling your guts now would be better in the long run for your faction than going away mad.

[Fouts]

And this is why I like to vote early in the day.

[Chief Rum]

I love how in the tombstone game I got blasted for being quiet early on and in this game I got blasted for being to vocal.

I'm done with werewolf for a while.

Oh come on, why do people get like this? Gimme a break. And on top of that, here's the guy who made it to the end of the last game as a cowboy. I am regretting my pick less, even if you are good.

[Tyrith]

Chief, what if he turns up bad?

[Lathum]

And this is why I like to vote early in the day.

why? they hold that against you also.

[Alan T]

welp guess its 11.. this should be interesting

[Lathum]

your right chief, got a little annoyed, my bad...

[ntndeacon]

Reading everything all at once is a bit daunting. It was interesting to see the ebb and flow of people's opinion. regardless, ithink iwill be reading it again at some point to get a better opinion on what iread.

[Fouts]

It sucks to die in this game, especially if you are on the good side. You get frustrated, but all you can do is get them next game. Also, after the game is over you can call them stupid. Its fun. :)

[Tyrith]

It sucks to die in this game, especially if you are on the good side. You get frustrated, but all you can do is get them next game. Also, after the game is over you can call them stupid. Its fun. :)

Being alive has never stopped you from calling anyone stupid ;)

[hoopsguy]

Fouts calls me stupid just about every game. Its fun. :)

[Chubby]

time check

[LoneStarGirl]

3 minutes late chubby

[Fouts]

Double ouch. :)

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I show for the final votes:

(7) Lathum - Path (642), Hoops (643), Tyrith (665), LSG (696), Cronin (714), Chief (810), NTN (817)

(4) Cronin - AlanT (445), Lathum (452), Anxiety (538), BrianD (553)

(3) SnDvls - Glen (700), Fouts (741), Saldana (745)

(2) AlanT - Spleen (564), SnDvls (658)

(1) BrianD - MrW (641)

[Glengoyne]

It sucks to die in this game, especially if you are on the good side. You get frustrated, but all you can do is get them next game. Also, after the game is over you can call them stupid. Its fun. :)

After I died in Tombstone, I stared at my computer for days, eventhough I couldn't participate. I was constantly saying "Damnit Lynch SPLEEN!! .... Morons!".

[Alan T]

After I died in Tombstone, I stared at my computer for days, eventhough I couldn't participate. I was constantly saying "Damnit Lynch SPLEEN!! .... Morons!".

:D

[Alan T]

Here is what I show for the final votes:

(7) Lathum - Path (642), Hoops (643), Tyrith (665), LSG (696), Cronin (714), Chief (810), NTN (817)

(4) Cronin - AlanT (445), Lathum (452), Anxiety (538), BrianD (553)

(3) SnDvls - Glen (700), Fouts (741), Saldana (745)

(2) AlanT - Spleen (564), SnDvls (658)

(1) BrianD - MrW (641)

Thats what I got also Hoops. My final day info:

(7) Lathum - path (642), Hoops (643), Tyrith (665), Lonestargirl (698), St. Cronin (714), Chief Rum (810), ntndeacon (817)
(4) St.Cronin - Alan (445), Lathum (452), Anxiety (538), BrianD (553)
(3) Sndvls - Glengoyne (700), Fouts (741), Saldana (745)
(2) Alan T - Spleen (564), Sndvls (658)
(1) BrianD - Mr.Wednesday (641)

(445) Alan votes St.Cronin (1)
(452) Lathum votes St.Cronin (2)
(454) St. Cronin votes Lathum (1)
(527) St.Cronin UNVOTES Lathum (0) ***
(527) St.cronin votes Alan (1)
(538) Anxiety votes St.Cronin (3)
(546) St. Cronin UNVOTES Alan (0) ***
(546) St. Cronin votes St.Cronin (4)
(553) BrianD votes St.Cronin (5)
(564) Spleen votes Alan (1)
(573) Tyrith votes Fouts (1)
(580) Lonestargirl votes Alan (2)
(586) St.cronin UNVOTES St.cronin (4) ***
(586) St.cronin votes Alan (3)
(602) Tyrith UNVOTES Fouts (0) ***
(602) Tyrith Votes Alan (4)
(631) Fouts votes BrianD (1)
(641) Mr. Wednesday votes BrianD (2)
(642) path votes Lathum (1)
(643) hoops votes Lathum (2)
(658) Sndvls votes Alan (5)
(665) Tyrith UNVOTES Alan (4) ***
(665) Tyrith Votes Lathum (3)
(698) Lonestargirl UNVOTES Alan (3) ***
(698) Lonestargirl Votes lathum (4)
(700) Glengoyne votes Sndvls (1)
(714) St.Cronin UNVOTES Alan (2) ***
(714) St.cronin votes Lathum (5)
(741) Fouts UNVOTES BrianD (1) ***
(741) Fouts votes Sndvls (2)
(745) Saldana votes Sndvls (3)
(799) Chief RUm votes St. Cronin (5)
(810) Chief Rum UNVOTES St. Cronin (4)
(810) Chief Rum votes Lathum (6)
(817) Ntndeacon votes Lathum (7)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I just got back from a dinner with my advisor and collaborators on my research project; I wasn't expecting it to be this long.

So why am I picking up votes?

Because there wasn't any groundswell on Lathum when I placed my vote.

[Chubby]

Write up coming

[LoneStarGirl]

Write up coming

Well I would hope so. You have everybody here waiting patiently :p

[Fouts]

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Who could the guest be?

[Tyrith]

Fouts is so aggresive he wants to kill the guest!

[Chubby]

After the death of another S.T.A.R.S. member last night, the city is jittery and anxious for some answers. They debate for much of the day with St Cronin being the object of discussion and daybreak before a late shift onto Lathum. A few final voices speak as the deadline loomed and it was decided that Lathum would be killed for the better of Racoon City, or so they hoped...

[Alan T]

I see this:

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[Chief Rum]

Chief, what if he turns up bad?

lol, then I don't regret my pick at all (but question my instincts severely).

[Fouts]

Oh boy. Strap yourself in.

[Alan T]

After the death of another S.T.A.R.S. member last night, the city is jittery and anxious for some answers. They debate for much of the day with St Cronin being the object of discussion and daybreak before a late shift onto Lathum. A few final voices speak as the deadline loomed and it was decided that Lathum would be killed for the better of Racoon City, or so they hoped...

dramatic pauses suck.

Vote Chubby!

[Fouts]

duke move?

[Chief Rum]

your right chief, got a little annoyed, my bad...

That's cool. And I do know how you feel. I got a ton of heat for not voting on Day One in my first or second game, because it didn't make any sense to me to make some random vote. Almost got me killed.

[Tyrith]

duke move?

No duke role.

[Alan T]

duke move?

Thinking either that or lucky stuff messed us up

[Mr. Wednesday]

I disagree. It is so important that the zombies find the PC that I don't think they would waste a night making somebody suspicious. It is a nice side effect, but should be trying hard to hit the PC.

So... why KWhit?

Because he fit a pattern.

Remember, neither group of bad guys knows who's in the other yesterday. The zombies know of people who voted for them, but they don't know who vote for Umbrella. If the PC happened to cast a vote for an Umbrella, the zombies can't distinguish that from a vote for a STARS.

[hoopsguy]

We have a pretty good sized gap - would take a lot of lucky to swing this.

[Glengoyne]

Thinking either that or lucky stuff messed us up

If that is the case...Do we still lynch Deacon tomorrow for causing a tie?:D

[Chubby]

The executioner brings Lathum to the center of the town square with his hands tied behind his back. The executioner takes a few steps back and points his shotgun...

BANG
BANG
BANG

Lathum drops to the ground and the crowd begins to worry...

"He died the same was that bulletsponge did yesterday!" a little boy yells.

The coroner goes over to and inspects the body, not finding anything out of the ordinary. The blood sample reveals that Lathum was NOT a zombie!

As the crowd begins to disperse disappointed, the coroner yells out at the top of lungs WAIT!"

for he had found a ring with a familiar symbol on it with red and white colors...

[Alan T]

If that is the case...Do we still lynch Deacon tomorrow for causing a tie?:D

Cant see how he would have known. But like hoops says I doubt its that... I think Chubby is messing with us!

[Alan T]

The executioner brings Lathum to the center of the town square with his hands tied behind his back. The executioner takes a few steps back and points his shotgun...

BANG
BANG
BANG

Lathum drops to the ground and the crowd begins to worry...

"He died the same was that bulletsponge did yesterday!" a little boy yells.

The coroner goes over to and inspects the body, not finding anything out of the ordinary. The blood sample reveals that Lathum was NOT a zombie!

As the crowd begins to disperse disappointed, the coroner yells out at the top of lungs WAIT!"

for he had found a ring with a familiar symbol on it with red and white colors...

So is that ring mean Umbrella I take it?

[BrianD]

So is that ring mean Umbrella I take it?

That would be my guess.

[Tyrith]

Lathum got ANOTHER powerful role!?

[Alan T]

So if Lathum was umbrella.. it makes me wonder if Fouts is actually a more important Umbrella role which explained the actions of the early morning.

[Fouts]

Nice, it was Ozwall.

[Tyrith]

First page, Lathum was Ozwell, who could create nemesis

[LoneStarGirl]

okay, red and white?

[LoneStarGirl]

got it. HAH! Lathum you piss me off so much.

How do you get two great roles back to back?

[Chubby]

NIght Two ends Fri 7am EST

Page One is updated

[Fouts]

So if Lathum was umbrella.. it makes me wonder if Fouts is actually a more important Umbrella role which explained the actions of the early morning.

Sorry, still don't see the connection between us.

[Alan T]

Ok cool. so then no more nemesis. Guess thats a good thing for us to not have to worry about for our bodyguard. Even though we never reached a consensus on whether they would actually use it or not

[Tyrith]

got it. HAH! Lathum you piss me off so much.

How do you get two great roles back to back?

Before you started playing, back during my first series of games around June, he did the same thing...27 - good guy leader, 28 - the prohpecy -- he got to make Blade's head explode during the middle of the day! Lathum is an RNG machine.

[Alan T]

Sorry, still don't see the connection between us.

It wasn't what you did, it was how he acted this morning. He wanted to (and successfully did) direct attention off of you..

In some part you are as much responsible for Lathum's death as anyone since it was the defense of you that i think caused alot of people to switch to him in the first place.

[LoneStarGirl]

i looked at the first page.... how did you know lathum was ozwell?

[Alan T]

There is no player cap, the more the merrier to be quite honest!

Players:
1. Alan T
2. St Cronin
3. Anxiety
4. path12
5. ntndeacon
6. Lathum - Lynched Day Two - Umbrella - Ozwell E Spencer
7. Glengoyne
8. Mr. Wednesday
9. Tyrith
10. Chief Rum
11. Fouts
12. lonestargirl
13. saldana
14. SnDvls
15. bulletsponge - Lynched Day One - S.T.A.R.S.
16. spleen1015
17. hoopsguy
18. BrianD
19. KWhit - Killed Night One - S.T.A.R.S.

Chubby is updating this with deaths

[Alan T]

And hoops, I think this answers close to certainty the question about roles being posted at death

[LoneStarGirl]

Now it is time to look at voting patterns...

[LoneStarGirl]

Got it AlanT.... thanks for keeping me on track

[hoopsguy]

Needless to say, I'm happy with the result today. Got an Umbrella, remove the threat of Nemesis from the board - good start.

I am going to be surprised if Lathum left us too many bread crumbs to follow.

[Lathum]

Before you started playing, back during my first series of games around June, he did the same thing...27 - good guy leader, 28 - the prohpecy -- he got to make Blade's head explode during the middle of the day! Lathum is an RNG machine.

RNG?

[st.cronin]

:D

Although, a zombie would have been better.

[Alan T]

RNG?

random number generator

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well... that's better than STARS (especially Ozwell) but not as good as a zombie.

[st.cronin]

Do we have a bodyguard? Because I am willing to bet that I know who the zombies will go after tonight, just not sure how to signal it.

[BrianD]

We can probably assume that there weren't many (if any) umbrella members voting for Lathum, but I wonder how many zombies piled on that vote?

[Glengoyne]

And hoops, I think this answers close to certainty the question about roles being posted at death

Whew. At least we now know that Chubby isn't a zombie

[Alan T]

Do we have a bodyguard? Because I am willing to bet that I know who the zombies will go after tonight, just not sure how to signal it.

Both Stars and umbrella has a bodyguard. I'm hoping for the Stars sake its someone who's been paying attention and has been seeing the signs.

If they are , then i feel pretty good that the right person will be guarded.

[Alan T]

We can probably assume that there weren't many (if any) umbrella members voting for Lathum, but I wonder how many zombies piled on that vote?

Well I think it goes back to the St.Cronin question... Earlier in the day I pondered what would happen if Fouts vs Cronin gave us Zombie vs Umbrella. Perhaps we had the same thing here with Lathum v Cronin instead.

I think tommorrow pretty sure play is Fouts (unless something happens tonight to change that).

[BrianD]

Well, I'm off to bed y'all. See you in the morning.

[ntndeacon]

Well... that's better than STARS (especially Ozwell) but not as good as a zombie.

If it is worse than getting a zombie, it isn't by much. This keeps the zombie numbers down a little. Now iwill grant you that the best thing to get for Stars is the infector. That is the role that we really need to find. I imagine that neither the Zombies or Umbrella is very happy with this.

[Fouts]

Well I think it goes back to the St.Cronin question... Earlier in the day I pondered what would happen if Fouts vs Cronin gave us Zombie vs Umbrella. Perhaps we had the same thing here with Lathum v Cronin instead.

I think tommorrow pretty sure play is Fouts (unless something happens tonight to change that).

The first paragraph doesn't match the second paragraph. That is what got Lathum lynched.

[Alan T]

The first paragraph doesn't match the second paragraph. That is what got Lathum lynched.

If you mean it doesnt match my reference to St. Cronin, it does in my mind at least. The group this morning talked a bit about what would happen if you vs St.Cronin was umbrella vs zombies. So lathum's death takes us back to that St. Cronin question, but instead of you it had Lathum in there

[Fouts]

My point was you said zombie vs umbrellla, and maybe the lathum vs cronin fit that mold. In the second paragraph, instead of plugging st.cronin in as the zombie, you go back to me.

[Alan T]

My point was you said zombie vs umbrellla, and maybe the lathum vs cronin fit that mold. In the second paragraph, instead of plugging st.cronin in as the zombie, you go back to me.

Oh I see what you are saying. I was just saying zombie vs umbrella. We obviously know Lathum wasn't a zombie. I was referencing Cronin as the zombie and you on the same side as Lathum (umbrella)

[Abe Sargent]

Just got back and let me tell you that The Pet Shop Boys rock and do not dissappoint live. Best concert I've ever been to. Yay.

In other news:

If you are STARS, you like the Lathum kill because he could make a Zombie. Neither zombies nor umbrella should be happy.

Yay!

Honestly, after catching up, I'm not sure if I would have changed my vote to Lathum or not. I still like the st. cronin/fouts logic.

-Anxiety

[spleen1015]

Guys, next time I am gone for about 4 hours, can you spare me the novel when I get back? Sheesh. 5 freaking pages. I'm glad I'm not slow reader.

I am happy to see Lathum turn up Ozwall.

[hoopsguy]

Just be glad you were not gone for four hours during the Necromancer game :) Although this one is up to a big post count so far ...

[Alan T]

Just be glad you were not gone for four hours during the Necromancer game :) Although this one is up to a big post count so far ...

Not my fault

[Fouts]

Oh I see what you are saying. I was just saying zombie vs umbrella. We obviously know Lathum wasn't a zombie. I was referencing Cronin as the zombie and you on the same side as Lathum (umbrella)

Ok, I can see how you see that. But really, who are you after? Zombies or Umbrella?

[hoopsguy]

Alan, they do not count. You still have less than 1K posts.

[Alan T]

Ok, I can see how you see that. But really, who are you after? Zombies or Umbrella?

Primarily Zombies since its our win condition
Secondarily Umbrella since they are out to kill our roles that will help us find zombies.

So hypothetically you are saying if you were Umbrella you would try to convince us that going after you would cause us more problems long run and bring the zombies closer to their winning condition?

[Alan T]

Alan, they do not count. You still have less than 1K posts.

I am going to post 400 baby names in the baby name thread and catch you

[Lathum]

Just be glad you were not gone for four hours during the Necromancer game :) Although this one is up to a big post count so far ...

good times. good times

[Mr. Wednesday]

Umbrella is in a precarious position right now; they need to take STARS down to win, but they also kinda need to thin the ranks of the zombies a bit too so that the zombies don't win first.

(Not that I mind them having a dilemma on their hands. :D)

[Alan T]

ahh well bed for me.

[Fouts]

Primarily Zombies since its our win condition
Secondarily Umbrella since they are out to kill our roles that will help us find zombies.

So hypothetically you are saying if you were Umbrella you would try to convince us that going after you would cause us more problems long run and bring the zombies closer to their winning condition?

What I am saying is this: If you say cronin is the zombie in the zombie vs umbrella situation... why in the world would you go after me? You are contradicting yourself, how can you not see it.

[Tyrith]

I think killing down another umbrella or two would be really good for us because we can't let them control the vote, they WILL kill us. Once we have them down to a managable number we can keep any remaining identified ones alive as warm bodies so we don't lose. Until then, slaughter away at the evil corporate empire!

[st.cronin]

I am afraid I don't entirely understand the Fouts connection, either. I wish I did. I don't know who I will vote for tomorrow.

[path12]

Just caught up. I actually feel a bit better about Alan than I did -- in my mind I had either Alan or Lathum being bad. Agree that this is great for us, both for ending the nemesis threat and not being a stars.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, I feel better about Alan, too. I don't think this will be much help in us finding a zombie though. Zombies don't know who umbrella is, or vice versa. I'm going to go through the votes tomorrow, though, just to see if there's anything there.

[Fouts]

Yeah, I feel better about Alan, too. I don't think this will be much help in us finding a zombie though. Zombies don't know who umbrella is, or vice versa. I'm going to go through the votes tomorrow, though, just to see if there's anything there.

I think he's STARS but his theories are wacked. I just don't know how to prove him wrong, other than dying at the end of a rope.

[Glengoyne]

I'm digging back through today's posts to see if I can improve my trust levels a little bit. I'm leaning a little bit toward Hoops, and to a lesser degree Tyrith and Wednesday. I'm still up for grabs with the other vote getters this afternoon.

Perhaps we can hope for a bit more of an eventful night tonight. I'm again hoping for that glorious clash of night actions to give us something to go on.

[Abe Sargent]

I personally find it scary how often Tyrith and I think alike in WW

[Tyrith]

I personally find it scary how often Tyrith and I think alike in WW

This has come to my attention to. We came in around the same time, it's like we're forever linked in WW spirit. Or maybe it's because I read your column independent of all this. Either way, it's still freaky.

[Chief Rum]

Well, I will probably be heading off to bed soon, and then won't be around again until tomorrow evening (should be before deadline). I still think Alan's theory should be locked at closely, and either st cronin or Fouts considered for the lynch. I would lean st cronin, as I have mentioned, but the theory can be proven one way or the other.

Obviously, this could all change with night actions, but I won't see those until just before the deadline. So I will vote when I return.

[saldana]

chubby, do we get to see the "lucky" vote total or just the standard one....i am gonna guess we dont, as that would turn things into a math exercise instead of a logic one.


i would guess that the other umbrella votes were spread out among cronin, brian and sndvls (i am aware this includes me)....i dont have the time right now, but my biggest suspicions would be for whoever started the brian run as the 3rd candidate....it would have been too obvious to pile on cronin to try and save lathum, so i am thinking they started a 3rd candidate to try and spread things out and make it easier to manuever at the end...fortunately they couldnt because the gap widened out too far.

[Chubby]

Day breaks once again and the fine citizens of Raccoon City descend upon the center of town. With the death of an Umbrella scientist the day before, the town hopes that it was a quiet night...

They would be wrong...

After a headcount it is determined that not one but TWO people are missing. The citizens fan out and begin to search the homes for the missing people.

Their first stop is the home of saldana. The door appears to have been smashed in and the house is a mess. The villagers scour the house for any sign of life before finding saladana's lifeless body in the bathroom. It appears that saldana was getting ready to take a shower and was clubbed in the head with his bottle of Herbal Essences before having his brains sucked out through his nose. At least he smells good...

The coroner quickly looks over the body and finds nothing of importance. Saldana's gun and holster sit hanging on a hook next to the sink.

After viewing that gruesome scene the next cry for help comes from the house of Tyrith. Tyrith's mouth and ears were sown shut with his eyeballs removed. His skull was cracked wide open and there appeared to be brains on a plate sitting besides his dead body. The fork and knife on the plate appeared body and used. Coulnd't the zombies have at least put away their dishes after their meal?

Inside Tyrith's house people find a few odd things. A bottle of serum, a lie detector machine, and a bright light. All look like they had been placed where they were very recently. Tyrith's gun was still in it's holster unused, you'd think people would fight back when attacked...

Day Three ends Friday 11pm EST.

[hoopsguy]

Not surprised at all about Tyrith - was just about positive he had interrogated Cronin on Night 1 based on his posts.

The Zombies are not helping our cause much with their STARS only kills.

[hoopsguy]

They only got one kill on the first night, but two last night.

Thoughts - they probably have three members to take this approah. If they had four they would have had two kills last night (barring a bodyguard block). The alternative theory is that they only had two and went solo with their attacks last night after being a little spooked yesterday. But that doesn't make sense in light of us getting an Umbrella yesterday - there is no hot trail leading to them in plain sight.

[hoopsguy]

Both of the newly dead voted for Bullet on Day 1. Tyrith went with Lathum yesterday and Saldana voted for SnDvls.

[Alan T]

They only got one kill on the first night, but two last night.

Thoughts - they probably have three members to take this approah. If they had four they would have had two kills last night (barring a bodyguard block). The alternative theory is that they only had two and went solo with their attacks last night after being a little spooked yesterday. But that doesn't make sense in light of us getting an Umbrella yesterday - there is no hot trail leading to them in plain sight.

I think this still is consistant with the theory of 3 zombies.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, are you still looking to play Cronin vs Fouts today for the vote? If so then please re-state the case in light of where we stand right now. If not, a simple "no" is fine.

[Mr. Wednesday]

FYI, my availability is going to be somewhat limited today, as I'm going to be spending a lot of time in meetings. I'm hoping to be able to check in after lunch, possibly later afternoon, and evening.

[Alan T]

Alan, are you still looking to play Cronin vs Fouts today for the vote? If so then please re-state the case in light of where we stand right now. If not, a simple "no" is fine.

Give me a few minutes. Re-reading everything from Tyrith real quick

[Fouts]

Not surprised at all about Tyrith - was just about positive he had interrogated Cronin on Night 1 based on his posts.

The Zombies are not helping our cause much with their STARS only kills.

Can you show us how you knew this? I didn't see it.

[hoopsguy]

Sure, I'll list a few Tyrith posts from yesterday from my notes:

#471 - lynch of Cronin does not excite him
#516 - rather vote for Fouts than Cronin
#556 - doesn't think Cronin is a bad guy, is annoyed that Cronin self-voted
#587 - asks Cronin what he is going to do
#600 - Cronin's reasoning is sound
#602 - really does not want us to kill Cronin

He moved around on several other players, but had a lower level of certainty on them than he did with Cronin. Which made me believe he was exactly the role he had once I started searching yesterday for someone who might have scanned Cronin Night 1. This was the time that I changed my philosophy for yesterday to not vote for Cronin - can pull up those posts as well if you want me to do this.

Anyways, sucks to lose this STARS role but it vaults Cronin to the top of my trusted list for today. There cannot have been a conversion yet (by rule), so I feel very confident in him today.

[Fouts]

Wow, good catch.

[LoneStarGirl]

Bah....how the hell do they get two kills?

I dont know about my availability today, GE And I are househunting for a couple of hours after work, but i'll be in to put a vote in.

[Fouts]

I am still very suspicious of SnDvls. Unless some damning airtight information comes out, this will be my vote.

vote SnDvls

[Fouts]

Crap, I'm such a newb.

vote SnDvls

[Alan T]

Ok, looked through all of Tyrith's posts. I don't agree with you hoops about Tyrith's opinion of Cronin.

I guess these are the questions I am asking myself:

1) Who did Tyrith view night 1.

2) Can Tyrith's role only say Umbrella vs not Umbrella (Ie: if he gets a zombie will he even know)

3) With tonight being night 3, and the zombies able to start converting, are we wanting to still go after umbrella today, or take a possible chance on a zombie


As for #1, at first I thought you might be right that it was Cronin. I went through all of his posts expecting to see his opinion of Cronin change from day 1 to day 2 indicating additional knowledge of his role. The catch here though is his opinion of Cronin did NOT change. He said the same things day 1 to day 2 about him. The entire time he was consistant about Cronin saying he thought Cronin was pushing ideas and got himself in trouble based on that alone, and just hasnt gotten away from the heat yet. He said the entire time yesterday that his gut feel is Cronin was good but we likely need to kill him at some point. Either Tyrith tried very carefully to mask his opinions so someone that would read day 1 to day 2 for consistancy wouldn't catch on just yet or he chose to view someone other than cronin night 1 with the assumption that Cronin was good.

That took me then to who did I think he viewed.. Im pretty sure he didn't view me, I also think he didn't view Hoops, Fouts or Lathum. So I honestly don't know who he did view. I guess that leads to my second part of the question... would he even know it if he interogated a zombie. Based on his role, it looked like Umbrella only which still wouldnt tell us much about Cronin if my theory about him being a zombie is correct.

I guess then in my mind it leads me to #3 where if we think we feel pretty good that we have an umbrella in our sites (Fouts) do we go after him today to remove the further competition, or do we take a chance with a possible zombie (Cronin) in an effort to hopefully get the infector before night 3?

I personally like the safe play on Fouts, but I'm open to suggestions.

[Fouts]

Alan, I will say this about you - you are consistent. Wrong, but consistent.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I read Tyrith differently than you did then.

Day 1 - he argued along the lines of "we don't want to kill a player for being vocal" and Cronin was in that mix

Day 2 - he argued "anyone but Cronin", and pretty much everyone was in the mix for his vote instead of Cronin

[hoopsguy]

I vote we ban cronin from WW if he's going to be so unsporting about this. It's not like everyone was advocating lynching you for the sake of lynching you do, dude. Grow up.

Honestly, I don't think cronin is a bad guy, I think he's a good guy that made a massive fuck-up yesterday and is unacceptably frustrated because he can't dig himself out of the hole. We can't just narrow beam on him like this, it's not gonna get us anywhere. I'm still advocating lynching him at some point because we're gonna need to look at voting records later, but if we do it now and he comes up good we're resetting the game information wise, just down four good guys.

If you were Tyrith (proven STARS) and you had scanned Cronin the night before and learned he was STARS, then see him self-vote how would you react? Maybe something like this?

[hoopsguy]

Furthermore, if you are Tyrith coming off the Saw game, and had put yourself in a position of doubt after Day 1 while being a good guy, then watched the mob string you up on Day 2, wouldn't you have some sympathy for the guy who is in position to be strung up on Day 2 in this game?

You have the ability to scan him at night and determine what is the right course of action with that vote. If he is a bad guy, nudge them in that direction. Challenge people who defend him, etc. If he is a good guy, do what you can to save him because you still have intense memories of being in that position the game before and not feeling like you had anyone supporting you - other than, perhaps, the guy who is now on the hot seat in Day 2 of this game (Cronin).

Hope I'm remembering the Saw game approrpriately - I'm sure the people who were in it can correct me if I'm less than 100% accurate with the reporting of events.

[Fouts]

If you were Tyrith (proven STARS) and you had scanned Cronin the night before and learned he was STARS, then see him self-vote how would you react? Maybe something like this?

Tyrith could only see Umbrella/non-Umbrella. Why do you imply that he learned Cronin was STARS?

[Alan T]

If you were Tyrith (proven STARS) and you had scanned Cronin the night before and learned he was STARS, then see him self-vote how would you react? Maybe something like this?

I don't think Tyrith was looking for Cronin to be lynched yesterday. But he wasn't on day 1 either.. I think you were missing my point though.. I don't see anything change from Tyrith from day 1 to day 2 which leads me to think that he didn't scan him but more importantly than that, if Cronin is a zombie I doubt Tyrith would have known anyways. His role says he finds Umbrella members. That is a pretty specific role.

Thats what led to my second question.. with it day 3, do we take a chance on someone who seems like a likely zombie with less clues than someone who is likely to be an umbrella just to take a shot at the infector?

[Alan T]

I dont know, my gut tells me both Fouts and St.Cronin aren't stars and it doesn't matter which way we go today. But I'm curious to what people think about something that Fouts did say last night. Even though I'm sure fouts said it for self-preservation, but part of it actually is true..

If we do kill Fouts, and he -IS- umbrella, it helps us. However we are at night 3 and someone likely will be converted.

If we try for Cronin and he -IS- a zombie, its possibly ~33% that he is the infector and no one will get converted.

The odds to me are better to go after Fouts, but maybe risk/reward is better going for Cronin. Hoops its weird to me that you are just glossing over the whole fact Tyrith was scanning for Umbrella and not zombies. its as if you are trying to push that Cronin is now cleared into everyone's minds for some agenda that you have.

[hoopsguy]

Point taken, Fouts. He learned Cronin was non-Umbrella (not conclusively STARS) so he is playing odds here since Cronin can only belong to one opposing faction and not two.

[hoopsguy]

Consider me corrected on the Tyrith scan issue, as it would only clear Cronin of being an Umbrella.

However, going after him in a lynch means you are taking a lower mathematical play than just about anyone else in the game if you accept that Tyrith scanned him.

[Fouts]

I dont know, my gut tells me both Fouts and St.Cronin aren't stars and it doesn't matter which way we go today. But I'm curious to what people think about something that Fouts did say last night. Even though I'm sure fouts said it for self-preservation, but part of it actually is true..

If we do kill Fouts, and he -IS- umbrella, it helps us. However we are at night 3 and someone likely will be converted.

If we try for Cronin and he -IS- a zombie, its possibly ~33% that he is the infector and no one will get converted.

The odds to me are better to go after Fouts, but maybe risk/reward is better going for Cronin. Hoops its weird to me that you are just glossing over the whole fact Tyrith was scanning for Umbrella and not zombies. its as if you are trying to push that Cronin is now cleared into everyone's minds for some agenda that you have.

I'm obviously biased about the first part of this post, but I agree about hoops trying to push that cronin is cleared.

Another fishy thing is that cronin threw a fit and saved himself. Lathum threw a fit, didn't save himself, and we all know why now. Do people with important roles get pissy when they are about to die without using them?

[Fouts]

Consider me corrected on the Tyrith scan issue, as it would only clear Cronin of being an Umbrella.

However, going after him in a lynch means you are taking a lower mathematical play than just about anyone else in the game if you accept that Tyrith scanned him.

I'm not sure anyone other than you and Tyrith knew Tyrith was the Interrogator.

[hoopsguy]

I think we continue to try and get the best candidate for the day without worrying about Zombie vs Umbrella. I would greatly prefer to get a zombie, but I do not want to reduce our chances of taking out an opposing player just to try and prevent a conversion.

Lets assume there are 3 zombies and 3 Umbrella for now. I think that is the probable lowest their numbers are at this point in the game. There are 14 people left in the game now. On sheer random, a person who is STARS is going to be approaching 50% likelihood of identifying an opposing faction. But if we want to potentially throw away someone who is linked with Lathum, then the percentage drops to the 25% range.

I'll take the 50% today if choosing between these scenarios. And hope that the Infector is blocked, that the zombies take out an Umbrella, or that some other factors come into play with night actions that give us a bigger edge in days to come. But right now I want to reduce the number of opponents we face.

[Alan T]

Consider me corrected on the Tyrith scan issue, as it would only clear Cronin of being an Umbrella.

However, going after him in a lynch means you are taking a lower mathematical play than just about anyone else in the game if you accept that Tyrith scanned him.

Thats the catch, I still disagree with you on the scanning thing. I still don't see much changed from day 1 to day 2. Tyrith had the same approach both days with Cronin.

I am thinking right now that its worth the push on Cronin. We've seen alot of votes on Cronin in the first two days, with the votes yesterday obviously being more meaningful than the first day when Cronin's neck was on the line. If we do lynch Cronin today and he turns up a zombie between yesterday and today we have a good footprint of people to go after possibly. We can always come back and deal with Fouts later I think.

Vote St.Cronin

[hoopsguy]

OK, I guess I'll look for other people's thoughts on Tyrith's Night 1 selection on who to interrogate - does anyone other than Alan think Cronin was not the choice?

Alan, it doesn't help me to trust you when the scenarios that you concoct keep including the wrong people. Bullet on Day 1 (I followed along), Fouts/Cronin standoff for you on Day 2 (I think Cronin is STARS, think there is a higher mathematical likelihood here than any other player in the game at the moment), and continuing down this path on Day 3.

[Alan T]

dola, I obviously am willing to discuss this further, and my vote is never fixed. But I am placing my vote to get stuff going at least today.

I know I came off strong on sndvls yesterday for his comments to me, they seemed really wolfish, but I also know Sndvls is one of those who usually treat me like that due to an inherent distrust in me. I'm not sold on him as a solid candidate just yet and my impression last night was some of the people moving to him in votes were trying to shift things away from Lathum. I was wrong about Saldana since he is Stars, but i wouldnt be suprised if others last night wern't doing that.

[Alan T]

OK, I guess I'll look for other people's thoughts on Tyrith's Night 1 selection on who to interrogate - does anyone other than Alan think Cronin was not the choice?

Alan, it doesn't help me to trust you when the scenarios that you concoct keep including the wrong people. Bullet on Day 1 (I followed along), Fouts/Cronin standoff for you on Day 2 (I think Cronin is STARS, think there is a higher mathematical likelihood here than any other player in the game at the moment), and continuing down this path on Day 3.

I still won't apologize for bullet's lynch. Even though I am feeling confident Cronin is bad right now, I would rather have lynched Bullet day 1 than Cronin just on the chance of being wrong and the chance to create a voting footprint along the way. Removing someone who is not going to be active, not going to participate and not going to be voting doesn't hurt us at all.

What Bullet's vote did was create day 2 to be our day 1 scenerio except this time with more information than a normal day 1. That led to us getting a bad guy on the day instead of the good guy we normally would have gotten.

So if you want to push blame on me for bullet's death, then please do by all means. I think it helped us in the long run.

As for the Cronin angle, you are really coming across this morning as the wolf-hoops that I have seen before in games. Yesterday I was thinking perhaps we were on the same team for once, but I'm not that sure anymore. You start off by throwing out persuasive thoughts trying to clear Cronin except they were not true. Then you change it to mathematics on why Cronin is the worst choice for a vote today which I had previously acknowledged that Fouts was the safer play perhaps. But then you completely ignore the risk/reward angle which is what makes Cronin compelling for a vote. We have a significant voting footprint right now on Cronin and the possibility he is the infector is good if he is a zombie.

RIght now my thoughts are just like yesterday with Lathum <-> Fouts, today it seems you are out the gate with it being Hoopsguy <-> Cronin.

I already know Cronin -can't- be the police chief, so if you want to talk mathematics , from what i know in this game Cronin has as good of a chance of being -non-Stars as anyone else in this game, so that still makes him my best mathematical choice as well.

[spleen1015]

I don't know if Tyrith scanned st. cronin on Night 1. I do think we can safely assume that st. cronin is not Unbrella. Lathum was his second vote yesterday. I got to play wolf with Lathum in the Tombstone game. This is not a play he would make this early in the game if st. cronin were umbrella.

I think the heat should move off of st. cronin today and we find someone else to go after. Fouts would be a good candidate.

[Alan T]

Out of the 6 people left in the game who havent voted Cronin yet this game (Including Chief who wanted to vote him last night), 2 of those have come out early trying to push us at fouts. Just a random comment of a random observation

[Fouts]

Out of the 6 people left in the game who havent voted Cronin yet this game (Including Chief who wanted to vote him last night), 2 of those have come out early trying to push us at fouts. Just a random comment of a random observation

Who besides spleen?

[Fouts]

Alan, you have done a great job convincing me that you are STARS. I want to thank you for keeping me alive. Your continued heat on me has kept the zombies off my back. I think they are expecting me to be lynched any day now.

[Alan T]

Looking at umbrella further, I don't see any roles that can completely hurt STARS now that Spencer is gone. I'm not sure what Ashford can do with his research though, so that might be something troubling. I think right now it looks like the biggest harm Umbrella can cause us is misleading us into voting for STARS members.

The Zombies on the other hand are a serious threat, they still have all of their members alive (3 I am guessing), they can start converting tonight which just adds to their members and includes the risk of them bringing in someone who has some STARS trust already.

I think right now its just worth the risk/reward to find something out about the Cronin crowd. Its a small group of people led primarily by Hoops and Spleen, but I have looked at some association with Mr.Wednesday, Sndvls and Glengoyne as well. I'm sure there might be others, but these are the main ones I have noted heavier than others.

[Alan T]

Alan, you have done a great job convincing me that you are STARS. I want to thank you for keeping me alive. Your continued heat on me has kept the zombies off my back. I think they are expecting me to be lynched any day now.

Don't thank me too much. As soon as I run out of other ideas Im coming back for you :)

[Alan T]

Who besides spleen?

You can see my list in the post I posted right after yours. Take those names with a grain of salt, as I am just trying to connect the dots somewhat out loud. I don't have a strong feel about too many people.

There are 2-3 people I feel strongly are STARS, and 2-3 people I feel aren't. Everyone else is kind of a murky brown for me right now.

[spleen1015]

Something for the STARS folks to keep in mind.

If the starting ratio was 11-5-3 (STARS-Umbrella-Zombie), we're looking at 7-4-3.

Something else that could mean nothing. Anxiety and Lathum both voted st. cronin Day1 and Day2. Lathum is Umbrella.

[Alan T]

Something for the STARS folks to keep in mind.

If the starting ratio was 11-5-3 (STARS-Umbrella-Zombie), we're looking at 7-4-3.

Something else that could mean nothing. Anxiety and Lathum both voted st. cronin Day1 and Day2. Lathum is Umbrella.

Yes, because it was 5-4 Lathum to Cronin. So I am pretty sure if Lathum voted elsewhere it would have been pretty foolish no matter who's team he was on :)

[Alan T]

Yes, because it was 5-4 Lathum to Cronin. So I am pretty sure if Lathum voted elsewhere it would have been pretty foolish no matter who's team he was on :)

To elaborate a little bit, I know Lathum was an early voter on Cronin before I ever brought up his name as a suspect. But as umbrella he doesnt know who are STARS and who are zombies, just who is not umbrella.

This goes back to what we've already said that we assume Cronin isn't umbrella.. but that still doesn't make him not a zombie

[BrianD]

Is it possible that there are only 2 zombies? The rules say that a dual-kill has 100% chance of working and a single-kill has a 50% chance. Shouldn't we expect 2 bodies or a body and an attack claim every day? With only one body yesterday and 2 today, I'm wondering if there aren't just 2 zombies currently...with the possibility of infection later.

[BrianD]

dola,

I meant we should be expecting 2 bodies every day if there are more than 2 zombies.

[BrianD]

I agree that at this point we should probably be looking for zombies before umbrella. Umbrella can help sway the vote toward lynching STARS, but zombies can kill 2 people a night. If we get a zombie (assuming there are only 2), we cut the night kill chances down to 50%. This would give us more time to find the rest of the bad guys.

[Fouts]

Brian, it is possible. There is only a 12.5% chance at getting caught if the attempt fails.

I'm out until this afternoon.

[hoopsguy]

The fact that I'm defending Cronin does not mean that I am coming out pro-Fouts. Alan, you are the one framing the debate between those two people. I'm not participating in that discussion because I believe Cronin is STARS. I do not have any inside information behind this assertion, but we all make assumptions at some point in the game.
1. I assume that Tyrith scanned Cronin
2. I assume that Cronin is more likely to be STARS than Zombie

I'm willing to revisit #2 if there are compelling reasons to do so.

However, with those as my assumption right now I'm reluctant to go with a Good vs Uncertain as my choices and I remain suspicious of the person pushing that agenda.

If I was going to pick between two people today I would choose SnDvls vs Alan. I think they are unlikely to be on the same faction after their spat yesterday and I am pretty suspicious about the faction of both of these two.

[Alan T]

The fact that I'm defending Cronin does not mean that I am coming out pro-Fouts. Alan, you are the one framing the debate between those two people. I'm not participating in that discussion because I believe Cronin is STARS. I do not have any inside information behind this assertion, but we all make assumptions at some point in the game.
1. I assume that Tyrith scanned Cronin
2. I assume that Cronin is more likely to be STARS than Zombie

I'm willing to revisit #2 if there are compelling reasons to do so.

However, with those as my assumption right now I'm reluctant to go with a Good vs Uncertain as my choices and I remain suspicious of the person pushing that agenda.

If I was going to pick between two people today I would choose SnDvls vs Alan. I think they are unlikely to be on the same faction after their spat yesterday and I am pretty suspicious about the faction of both of these two.

Thats not very like you hoops to leave a trail of evidence and start digging for new trails. I gave you the benefit of the doubt yesterday, but I think Cronin turning up bad will mean very bad things for you at this point.

A large number of people took pot shots at me yesterday, including Sndvls, and I am assuming to start that he was doing so to either protect Lathum or Cronin (not sure which). Right now Sndvls is in a larger group of about 5-7 people whom I slightly distrust, but your mis-analyzation this morning has rocketed you right past that group. You're pretty well linked with Cronin right now which I suppose is a good thing for you if he is STARS like you so suggest.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I guess I'm willing to take my chances being linked with Cronin. I'll take it a step further - if you were giving me one person in the game to be linked with at the moment it would be him.

Obviously that would reflect pretty poorly on me if he does turn up Zombie.

[hoopsguy]

I'm willing to leave a trail of evidence when I have grave concerns about the person who is driving the trail of evidence.

[Alan T]

I'm willing to leave a trail of evidence when I have grave concerns about the person who is driving the trail of evidence.

Well then I am more then willing so far for someone to pick up a new trail, but so far all I have seen is people jumping on my suspicions of other people. So far the arguement people are making about Sndvls is they are taking my mistrust of him and blowing it into a case for his lynching. That makes zero sense to me.

Was I distrustful of Sndvls last night for his stunt? Yep. Am I still mistrustful of him? Yep... but its far weirder to me to see me make a simple comment about him that suddenly several people jump on.

Right now if I had to guess, you and Fouts are on different teams, and with both of you championing Sndvls to the cause, well its either a good bluff by your side, or its cause for a second look.

I just find it funny how you're using my arguement against Sndvls as a reason to suddenly make him lynch candidate #1. Maybe he is a bad guy, I have no clue and his stunt last night makes me feel like it is, but you have been far more shady today in my mind than he was last night.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I also do not like how you make it out that I'm "leaving a trail of evidence" on Fouts/Cronin that I never fully accepted yesterday. If I had, we likely would not have lynched Lathum (Umbrella) at the end of Day 2.

I strongly suspect you are not with STARS and that Fouts and Cronin are not on your team, so either lynch would be a win for you and if one is Zombie/Umbrella then you buy some trust. If I was going to put you on a team, I think it would be Umbrella as there were a few times yesterday you tried to bring the group back to Fouts/Cronin by questioning the value of a Lathum lynch.

[LoneStarGirl]

Alan, I guess I'm willing to take my chances being linked with Cronin. I'll take it a step further - if you were giving me one person in the game to be linked with at the moment it would be him.

Obviously that would reflect pretty poorly on me if he does turn up Zombie.

Its funny that once we have pretty much decided Cronin is good Hoops wants to link himself to him....

Hoops you are tops of my list of suspicion

[hoopsguy]

And on the topic of why SnDvls - well, he seems like a good candidate to pair against you since I do not think you two are on the same team. He has played a pretty quiet game up to this point, moving from "trusting you" on Day 1 to "distrusting you" on Day 2. Not a ton of reason for the shift between days as I think your play was pretty consistent between them.

Neither of you voted for Lathum yesterday. You went with Cronin, he went with you. Both of you voted for Bullet on Day 1, although I do not put a ton of stock in that vote.

[Alan T]

Alan, I also do not like how you make it out that I'm "leaving a trail of evidence" on Fouts/Cronin that I never fully accepted yesterday. If I had, we likely would not have lynched Lathum (Umbrella) at the end of Day 2.

I strongly suspect you are not with STARS and that Fouts and Cronin are not on your team, so either lynch would be a win for you and if one is Zombie/Umbrella then you buy some trust. If I was going to put you on a team, I think it would be Umbrella as there were a few times yesterday you tried to bring the group back to Fouts/Cronin by questioning the value of a Lathum lynch.

excuse me? It was my attacks on lathum that sparked people to vote for him in the first place. Don't misrepresent what happened there. It was very clear to everyone that the people I was pushing was Cronin & Fouts. it was very clear to everyone that I highly linked Lathum and Fouts and posted many times that Lathum was clearly not on our team.

All you are doing now is throwing stuff at the wall and see if something sticks in people's minds. You know that people possibly skimmed through all of that in the morning time, but it was very obvious to those who have read this thread my feelings on Lathum. Its almost like you are insulting the level of play that you think some have by trying to push this.

[hoopsguy]

Its funny that once we have pretty much decided Cronin is good Hoops wants to link himself to him....

Hoops you are tops of my list of suspicion


Interesting, because I don't think "we" have decided Cronin is good. I have suggested I think he is and caught fire for doing so from Alan and, to a lesser degree, Fouts.

Look back at posts from yesterday and see how I played with/against Cronin yesterday - from about 6PM EST I acted very strongly to try and keep Cronin from being lynched.

If you want to go after me because you think Cronin is bad then go ahead. But going after me because I think Cronin is good? Suspect, very suspect.

[Alan T]

And on the topic of why SnDvls - well, he seems like a good candidate to pair against you since I do not think you two are on the same team. He has played a pretty quiet game up to this point, moving from "trusting you" on Day 1 to "distrusting you" on Day 2. Not a ton of reason for the shift between days as I think your play was pretty consistent between them.

Neither of you voted for Lathum yesterday. You went with Cronin, he went with you. Both of you voted for Bullet on Day 1, although I do not put a ton of stock in that vote.

For arguement sake, if you were STARS, and you feel strongly that I am not like you assert, and me being very vocal and out front this game and at times on the chopping block... Wouldn't you consider I was the target of a seer scan at some point? So then if you are to believed and are good, and honestly think I am bad, wouldn't someone turning 180 degrees on me from day 1 to day 2 make you not want to kill them as opposed to kill them in case they were the seer?

That is a very huge hole in your arguement there, and it doesnt matter anyways since I am good and you likely are not.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, in a close election votes speak a lot louder than posturing. And despite your linking of Lathum/Fouts, you did not act against either of them yesterday.

But go ahead, make this about me when I call your Cronin vs Fouts BS runoff into question.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm going to follow Tyrith's lead and go with Fouts.

Lynch Fouts

This vote is mobile.

[Tyrith]

New at Applebee's, the Tyrith Special Platter, comes with a side of fries.

Good game, you zombie bastards. :) I'll be lurking.

[Alan T]

Alan, in a close election votes speak a lot louder than posturing. And despite your linking of Lathum/Fouts, you did not act against either of them yesterday.

But go ahead, make this about me when I call your Cronin vs Fouts BS runoff into question.

I think you made it about you when you came out in such huge support of cronin.

[Abe Sargent]

Well then I am more then willing so far for someone to pick up a new trail, but so far all I have seen is people jumping on my suspicions of other people. So far the arguement people are making about Sndvls is they are taking my mistrust of him and blowing it into a case for his lynching. That makes zero sense to me.

Was I distrustful of Sndvls last night for his stunt? Yep. Am I still mistrustful of him? Yep... but its far weirder to me to see me make a simple comment about him that suddenly several people jump on.

Right now if I had to guess, you and Fouts are on different teams, and with both of you championing Sndvls to the cause, well its either a good bluff by your side, or its cause for a second look.

I just find it funny how you're using my arguement against Sndvls as a reason to suddenly make him lynch candidate #1. Maybe he is a bad guy, I have no clue and his stunt last night makes me feel like it is, but you have been far more shady today in my mind than he was last night.


Im not jumping on you, I;ve backed you.

[Alan T]

Im not jumping on you, I;ve backed you.

I would be careful saying such things.. thats the type of thing that causes people to get lynched around here. That and I usually end up pretty distrustful of people who buddy up with me. :)

So far I have seen nothing but what i think are "good" votes from you, so you aren't on my radar, but we'll see!

[st.cronin]

To elaborate a little bit, I know Lathum was an early voter on Cronin before I ever brought up his name as a suspect. But as umbrella he doesnt know who are STARS and who are zombies, just who is not umbrella.


This is not true. You voted for me first, Lathum second. Alan, I think you need to take a step back from your theory and try to think of something fresh. You've been hung up on me the whole game, and it's just not right.

[Alan T]

This is not true. You voted for me first, Lathum second. Alan, I think you need to take a step back from your theory and try to think of something fresh. You've been hung up on me the whole game, and it's just not right.

I don't think you read that post in context of what we were discussing. I said I know that Lathum voted for you before I ever brought up Lathum as a suspect. But just because he voted for you doesnt make you clear as STARS

[Glengoyne]

Damn!

Checking in and experiencing an information overload.

I saw the two kills, and thought that maybe Umbrella could kill, then I rechecked the rules page and saw that the zombies can attack multiple times. Is that new information? I compeltely missed it the first time through.

Shit. Two more STARS. I gotta go into the office now. I'll be digesting this on the way in.

[st.cronin]

VOTE ANXIETY

Just a hunch, nothing more. He's voted for me twice, and I am just regular stars.

[BrianD]

In trying to step back and look at some of the players outside of the current suspicion...did anyone notice the drive-by performed by LSG? She stepped in, pointed at Hoops, and then left. It seemed odd that she tried to fuel the fire and then didn't stick around to discuss it. I wonder if she is trying to get us to concentrate on someone she knows isn't in her group?

[Alan T]

In trying to step back and look at some of the players outside of the current suspicion...did anyone notice the drive-by performed by LSG? She stepped in, pointed at Hoops, and then left. It seemed odd that she tried to fuel the fire and then didn't stick around to discuss it. I wonder if she is trying to get us to concentrate on someone she knows isn't in her group?

This is kind of crazy, right now there are votes everywhere and now you are bringing LSG into it. Sure, LSG seems pretty suspicious to me, both yesterday and today..

But right now we have a 4 way tie with 1 vote, and adding her is a 5th person. Right now I don't know of any move that tells us more than lynching St. Cronin. It will speak for him, for me, for Hoops and for many of the people who have chosen to not vote for him once this game, as well as those who have voted for him both days so far.

Just from an information standpoint, this is the only lynch that makes sense to me rather than running off on wild goosechases. As much as I would like to lynch Hoops from what he's tried to do this morning, it just doesn't make as much sense to me as a cronin lynch.

[st.cronin]

I don't think you read that post in context of what we were discussing. I said I know that Lathum voted for you before I ever brought up Lathum as a suspect. But just because he voted for you doesnt make you clear as STARS


Ok, I agree with all of this. I don't think Lathum's vote will point to anybody as zombie/non-zombie. I do think it could help us find some umbrellas - these players did not vote to lynch Lathum: AlanT, Anxiety, BrianD, GlenGoyne, Saldana (RIP), Fouts, spleen, SnDvls. It wouldn't surprise me if all remaining umbrellas (2? 3? 4?) are in there. HOWEVER I don't think we want to be looking for umbrellas. I'm not just not sure how to look for zombies at this point.

[path12]

Was I distrustful of Sndvls last night for his stunt? Yep. Am I still mistrustful of him? Yep... but its far weirder to me to see me make a simple comment about him that suddenly several people jump on.

Alan, just because you saw SnDvls actions yesterday as suspicious doesn't mean that anyone else that also found them strange is just jumping on your opinion. We could certainly have that independently of what you think. I thought it was very odd before I had any idea how you felt about it.

Do I think it's enough to make him my main suspect today? Not yet. But rest assured that if I find a reason to vote that way it's because of my feelings rather than jumping on your coattails.

I went back and read Tyrith's posts. I see where hoops is going, but I certainly didn't see it until he pointed it out. My main concern right now is that I have a hard time seeing how hoops, Alan and cronin can all be stars -- I think two of them are, but I'm not positive which two. I feel best about cronin and worst about hoops.

BTW, I will be out of the office for much of the day on store visits, but will have about an hour or so later in the afternoon and another hour or so this morning.

[BrianD]

This is kind of crazy, right now there are votes everywhere and now you are bringing LSG into it. Sure, LSG seems pretty suspicious to me, both yesterday and today..

But right now we have a 4 way tie with 1 vote, and adding her is a 5th person. Right now I don't know of any move that tells us more than lynching St. Cronin. It will speak for him, for me, for Hoops and for many of the people who have chosen to not vote for him once this game, as well as those who have voted for him both days so far.

Just from an information standpoint, this is the only lynch that makes sense to me rather than running off on wild goosechases. As much as I would like to lynch Hoops from what he's tried to do this morning, it just doesn't make as much sense to me as a cronin lynch.

I understand that we don't want to run off on a wild goose chase, but while we are thinking about the proper way to go, I am trying to look at how others make their points. The remaining umbrella/zombies are certainly going to try to nudge us in the wrong direction, and I'm looking out for those nudges.

[path12]

And on the topic of why SnDvls - well, he seems like a good candidate to pair against you since I do not think you two are on the same team. He has played a pretty quiet game up to this point, moving from "trusting you" on Day 1 to "distrusting you" on Day 2. Not a ton of reason for the shift between days as I think your play was pretty consistent between them.

Now that you bring that up, I remember being struck by that sequence. It went something like: SnDvls says he thinks Alan is good. Glen follows up later and says something about a link with Alan and Sn. Alan then came back and backed well away from Sn.

I found it odd why he would distance himself so specifically about a general comment like that.

[Alan T]

Now that you bring that up, I remember being struck by that sequence. It went something like: SnDvls says he thinks Alan is good. Glen follows up later and says something about a link with Alan and Sn. Alan then came back and backed well away from Sn.

I found it odd why he would distance himself so specifically about a general comment like that.

Me? I don't remember having any opinion one way or another about Sndvls until he came out and made flat out misrepresentations of my posting here that i called him on, but he suddenly left and hasnt come back since.

Can you point out where I did this? because I sure dont remember even thinking about Sndvls until he came out of the woodwork to try to ambush me.

[st.cronin]

These are all very interesting points, but this is the point in most games where I think it makes the most sense to flush out the utr players. LSG, SnDvls, Anxiety ... anybody else?

And, yes, hoops does also make me nervous.

[path12]

Sure, here's the sequence:

Alan - I'm rereading some of your analysis so I have it straight and based on my gut the last two games I feel you've already started to earn some trust. I don't think a non-Stars player would be this helpful this early.

Allright. I'm finding it hard to get much out of this other than a suspicion that Sndvls and Alan might be on the same side.

I dunno, my usual assumption when someone comes out and posts what Sndvls does is that Sndvls is -NOT- on my team and is just trying to buddy up with me to make me not look at him closer. If they think Im a good guy, then they must be a good guy too right???

[st.cronin]

I remember that sequence, path, and I don't think there's anything there. It could mean anything.

[Alan T]

Sure, here's the sequence:

Ok, I remember that now. Sure I said that to him, I said that to Anxiety this morning, I'm probably sure I have said that to several others who have buddied up to me this game. Call it distancing if you want, but it is a common wolf ploy to buddy up with someone good to try to build trust. If the wolf agrees with all of your ideas, you are less likely to consider the wolf as bad, since they are not doing anything suspicious.

Like I said this morning to Anxiety, my default reaction is to become suspicious when someone buddies up to me. You can agree or disagree with my theories and provide your reasons why, but I find someone coming out and saying "I think Alan T is swell" without many other reasons very suspicious.

[BrianD]

I remember that sequence, path, and I don't think there's anything there. It could mean anything.

Yeah, that seems like a pretty common comment from Alan. He comes out with a whole bunch of analysis and this distrusts anyone that agrees with him. :D

[path12]

I remember that sequence, path, and I don't think there's anything there. It could mean anything.

That's cool. It just seemed a little strong for so early in the game (that was day 1 I believe). We all know how WW sharpens the paranoia.....:)