WW LXVII - Heroes (GAME OVER! HEROES WIN!)

[st.cronin]

I'm more than happy to reveal my character name: Mohinder Suresh.

I won't talk too much about my ability, except to note that I do not have an ability to discover people's powers, which would seem like the most logical thing.

[jeheinz72]

Hey folks, just finished reading, post count coming soon. Deadline is in about an hour and a half.

Alan T is of course still in the game.

[path12]

I don't think Alan should drop out of the game. I hope that he will see this and send JEHeinz a note apologizing for bringing drama to his game. Why not just drop his thoughts on certain things until after the game is over?

Why don't people read Alan's posts????

Jesus, Alan. Suck it up, man. ;)

[nfg22]

I apologized already. I will refrain from name calling.

[Lathum]

Render- I find it interesting you call Schmidty out for voting no lynch and not on a competing player, then vote for Neon Chaos who really hasn't been discussed as a possible candidate. IMO you pretty much did the same thing Schmidty did.

[jeheinz72]

Thomkal (4): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474), Jackal (480)
No Lynch (4): Narcizo (445), Neon Chaos (447), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)
Ardent (2): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487)
Neon Chaos (2): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499)
Jackal (2): hoopsguy (489), nfg22 (498)
nfg22 (1): Alan T (426)
Oliegirl (1) : Mr. Wednesday (444)
Chief Rum (1): Thomkal (459)

Not voting: path12, DaddyTorgo, oliegirl, Greyroofoo, Barkeep49

[DaddyTorgo]

gah i'm here. busy morning. trying to arrange mtgs in chicago in april for client. lemme try to catch up on the sly.

[RendeR]

Render- I find it interesting you call Schmidty out for voting no lynch and not on a competing player, then vote for Neon Chaos who really hasn't been discussed as a possible candidate. IMO you pretty much did the same thing Schmidty did.


If so then why am I the SECOND person to vote for him?

Silly Lathum, read the thread ;)

[Neon_Chaos]

updated vote count

thomkal - claphamsa (318), chief rum (434), lathum (474), jackal (480), schmidty (488)
ardent - st.cronin (328), sndvls (487)
nfg - alan t (426)
oliegirl - mr.wednesday (444)
No lynch - narcizo (445), neonchaos (447), ardent (452)
chief rum - thomkal (459)
neonchaos - mauboy (471), render (499)
Jackal - hoopsguy (489), nfg (498)

[Neon_Chaos]

oh. didn't see jeheinz posting there.

[path12]

Also, I was really hoping yesterday that Chief Rum or one of the late-night guys was going to have some meaningful information for us to act on - playing blind for two days in a row kinda sucks.


Little tough to have a lot of info after one night. My thoughts:

1) Way too much is being made of the Pass/Alan thing. The infinitely small things that end up being "issues" day 1 almost always end up being just nothing. Therefore, I think it's either lazy or wolfish to push Thomkal for a vote. Yeah, I called names there. :) I do believe though that those who seemed to push this as an issue deserve a tick or two towards the don't trust list (DaddyTorgo, nfg, I'm looking at you, kids).

2) Two no lynches in a row does NOTHING to help the heroes win the game. What happens tomorrow when little info comes out? Another no lynch? Neon following on Narcizo's first no lynch vote so quickly pings me mightily.

3) While it's important to keep in mind that NAMES might be good or bad, it seems pretty clear so far that a person's name does have at least some relation to their ability. An important distinction that I think has been glossed over.

That said, for the reason stated in point 2 I'm going to

VOTE NEON CHAOS

[Alan T]

Looks like Thomkal at 4 and a bunch of people at 2. I'm making this move partially because of Ardent placing a vote on me for no reason previously, but also I am kind of curious to see how St.Cronin will react if Ardent actually gets in trouble and risked lynching.

Unvote Nfg

Vote Ardent

[st.cronin]

Well, considering my vote is ON ardent, what do you think?

[RendeR]

Render- I find it interesting you call Schmidty out for voting no lynch and not on a competing player, then vote for Neon Chaos who really hasn't been discussed as a possible candidate. IMO you pretty much did the same thing Schmidty did.


2nd quote of this to add, I simply disagree that pushing a no lynch position will tell us anything in a runoff vote with a player, we need player vs player so I chose someone with one vote already to try and bump them into the fray.

We now have 1 with 4 votes and 2 with 2 votes, perhaps some of the rest of you will move to one of these folks andwe'll be able to really learn something here.

Does that make more sense?

[RendeR]

Ok, I have to get ready for work and deal with the kids. I most definitely won;t be back before lynch so make the vote close people , lets learn something from the lynch today!

[Neon_Chaos]

Little tough to have a lot of info after one night. My thoughts:

1) Way too much is being made of the Pass/Alan thing. The infinitely small things that end up being "issues" day 1 almost always end up being just nothing. Therefore, I think it's either lazy or wolfish to push Thomkal for a vote. Yeah, I called names there. :) I do believe though that those who seemed to push this as an issue deserve a tick or two towards the don't trust list (DaddyTorgo, nfg, I'm looking at you, kids).

2) Two no lynches in a row does NOTHING to help the heroes win the game. What happens tomorrow when little info comes out? Another no lynch? Neon following on Narcizo's first no lynch vote so quickly pings me mightily.

3) While it's important to keep in mind that NAMES might be good or bad, it seems pretty clear so far that a person's name does have at least some relation to their ability. An important distinction that I think has been glossed over.

That said, for the reason stated in point 2 I'm going to

VOTE NEON CHAOS

In case you haven't read through most of the thread, I did point out the reasons why I chose to vote that way. I was simply doing it because it was safer for the village rather than casting a blind vote on someone at that point in time.

I also said that I would probably be switching my vote once a race has been established, if the No Lynch vote doesn't gain any momentum.

[nfg22]

Neon, I think your vote count is off. Or Heinz's is. Which one?

[oliegirl]

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Reasoning: He's voted No Lynch today which I really really don't like, and already has 2 votes on him so if he is a wolf trying to encourage us to be "sitting ducks" by not lynching, there is a shot of other people agreeing and we have a shot at lynching him today.

I'm around and happy to answer questions, explain further if I need to...

[st.cronin]

Do we know what happens in a tie?

[Thomkal]

well my vote on chief rum is not putting any pressure on anyone, so time to move it. Not looking to vote Neon right now after he called for people to put pressure on others besides me, so...

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM
VOTE THE JACKAL

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon, I think your vote count is off. Or Heinz's is. Which one?

mine is. Schmidty's vote is supposed to be for the No Lynch.

[jeheinz72]

Neon, I think your vote count is off. Or Heinz's is. Which one?

His is, updating mine shortly.

[st.cronin]

I think Neon's is wrong, I have Schmidty voting no lynch.

[jeheinz72]

Do we know what happens in a tie?

No, you don't. ;)

[jeheinz72]

Thomkal (4): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474), Jackal (480)
Ardent (4): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518)
No Lynch (4): Narcizo (445), Neon Chaos (447), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)
Neon Chaos (3): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511)
Jackal (3): hoopsguy (489), nfg22 (498), Thomkal (52)
Oliegirl (1): Mr. Wednesday (444)

Not voting: DaddyTorgo, Greyroofoo, Barkeep49

[Lathum]

Thomkal (4): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474), Jackal (480)
No Lynch (4): Narcizo (445), Neon Chaos (447), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)
Ardent (2): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487)
Neon Chaos (2): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499)
Jackal (2): hoopsguy (489), nfg22 (498)
nfg22 (1): Alan T (426)
Oliegirl (1) : Mr. Wednesday (444)
Chief Rum (1): Thomkal (459)

Not voting: path12, DaddyTorgo, oliegirl, Greyroofoo, Barkeep49

If so then why am I the SECOND person to vote for him?

Silly Lathum, read the thread ;)

I DID read the thread :p

You are saying that we need to narrow things down between players and you actualy made things murkier.

your vote still left thomkal at 4 votes and made it a log jam at 2 votes for 3 other candidates.

[SnDvls]

okay now I'm a little uneasy on my vote with the quick run...I'll be watching this closely now.

[DaddyTorgo]

going to try to make things more interesting and see if we can't shake out some wolves. He's too smart a player to vote no lynch and we'll see if it causes any movement.

VOTE NO LYNCH

*note: i usually leave for work right around 1pm EST

[Barkeep49]

A very close vote. I really don't like the votes on Neon and Ardent since it feels to me people more have a problem with the times they're available than the players themselves. As I said that I don't think Thomkal is the solution, I'm going to go ahead and vote for the only other guy in contention at the moment.

Vote Jackal

[DaddyTorgo]

omg...i'm retarded

UNVOTE NO LYNCH
VOTE NEON CHAOS

is what i meant to do

[Lathum]

I find this mini run on neon chaos odd.

[Barkeep49]

I'm disappointed that we haven't been able to get No Lynch out of contention.

[DaddyTorgo]

hey neon's here...i'm wide-open to moving my vote around. just trying to put some pressure out there, make it a multi-horse race, as that's where we gain insight

*if no one voted for people just b/c of when they were available then those people would be perfect wolves

[Barkeep49]

omg...i'm retarded

UNVOTE NO LYNCH
VOTE NEON CHAOS

is what i meant to do
I'm glad to see the voting for a player rather than No Lynch. Need to start making our omelette at some point.

[st.cronin]

Ok, so now we have a 5-way tie.

[nfg22]

I find everything odd...Especially the 4 no lynches. What happens when tommorow we have these same arguments again. The wolves and Sylar will be a few steps ahead and we will be in the same place.

[st.cronin]

I think anybody on No Lynch needs to move their vote, this is absurd.

[Neon_Chaos]

I find this mini run on neon chaos odd.

Tell me about it.

[Barkeep49]

We're still an hour away from deadline so I'm not too concerned about our tie at this point.

[nfg22]

I would be suspicious of all no lynchers but such a mass move by the company wouldnt seem to be wise...Then again I am new and inexperienced.

[Lathum]

I think anybody on No Lynch needs to move their vote, this is absurd.

I wouldn't count on that.

I can't speak for AE bur Narcizo and Neon are on the other side of the world and schmidty is always in his own world;) :p

[jeheinz72]

Thomkal (4): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474), Jackal (480)
Ardent (4): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518)
No Lynch (4): Narcizo (445), Neon Chaos (447), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)
Neon Chaos (4): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511), Neon Chaos (530)
Jackal (4): hoopsguy (489), nfg22 (498), Thomkal (520), Barkeep (529)
Oliegirl (1): Mr. Wednesday (444)

Not voting: Greyroofoo

[SnDvls]

I find this mini run on neon chaos odd.

we've had 2 of them..one on AE and one one NC

[Lathum]

We're still an hour away from deadline so I'm not too concerned about our tie at this point.

I agree, Thomkal can still move his vote

[nfg22]

Another question, GRF will be crucial. I am not saying he is a wolf at all but whatever he votes will most likely decide things.

[Lathum]

we've had 2 of them..one on AE and one one NC

the one on NC came within 60 posts, that to me is more then the one on AE but your point is taken

[SnDvls]

Thomkal (4): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474), Jackal (480)
Ardent (4): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518)
No Lynch (4): Narcizo (445), Neon Chaos (447), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)
Neon Chaos (4): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511), Neon Chaos (530)
Jackal (4): hoopsguy (489), nfg22 (498), Thomkal (520), Barkeep (529)
Oliegirl (1): Mr. Wednesday (444)

Not voting: Greyroofoo

blue one should be Daddy Torgo FYI

[nfg22]

I guess that isnt a question but an observation..lol dang no editing

[jeheinz72]

Good eye SnDvls

Thomkal (4): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474), Jackal (480)
Ardent (4): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518)
No Lynch (4): Narcizo (445), Neon Chaos (447), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)
Neon Chaos (4): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511), Daddy Torgo (530)
Jackal (4): hoopsguy (489), nfg22 (498), Thomkal (520), Barkeep (529)
Oliegirl (1): Mr. Wednesday (444)

Not voting: Greyroofoo

[DaddyTorgo]

hey i'm down with moving. i just knew i needed to get A vote in, and i wanted to vote a person. so i voted a person who had voted no lynch and had a couple votes on them already, to try to start "making the omlette" as BK says

[nfg22]

Can we get some Katsup with da Omelette? I say a five ingredient omelette is gooooood.

[Barkeep49]

Another question, GRF will be crucial. I am not saying he is a wolf at all but whatever he votes will most likely decide things.
His vote could be crucial but so could a late vote switch. I'm not convinced at all that GRF will cast the deciding vote.

[Neon_Chaos]

Circumstances, of course, dictate that I will be moving my vote. I could vote for Thomkal, Jackal, or ae. Seeing as ae will be moving his vote soon, I won't be placing my vote on him (he'll just place it on me and create a tie.) I don't really buy the Alan T / Pass fight, so I won't be voting for Thomkal.

I have no idea how I was suddenly on the block, but that leaves me voting for the last guy left.

Unvote No Lynch
Vote The Jackal

[Thomkal]

so will revealing who I am (a hero) be a wise move or not at this point? With all the vote changes I'm not sure if I should do it or not.

[Neon_Chaos]

I suggest you hold off a bit about revealing, Thomkal. The Jackal is ahead on votes, I believe.

[Barkeep49]

so will revealing who I am (a hero) be a wise move or not at this point? With all the vote changes I'm not sure if I should do it or not.
Giving your hero name at this point would prove you're not Sylar but not clear you of being Company so I don't see it really helping you.

[Lathum]

Giving your hero name at this point would prove you're not Sylar .

how do you know that?

[Greyroofoo]

when in hell did my vote come so important?

[Mr. Wednesday]

3. As for Mr. Wednesdays vote on me b/c I was quiet yesterday - I got some very bad, devastating news about my father yesterday, there is a thread in GD where I'm asking for prayers...I went into shut down mode and was not in a frame of mind to deal with anything yesterday, let alone a WW game. I'm here today, a bit shell shocked so I can't guarantee that I'm going to be overly vocal, but I will be staying in the game and will certainly contribute when I have something to say.

I was in WW before I was in Off Topic. If I'd done it in the other order, I would never have voted for you.

[Barkeep49]

how do you know that?
You're right it wouldn't prove it absolutely but Sylar would be telling a HELL of a risk picking a name from the list which another player, more likely than not, already has. I just don't see Sylar taking that chance.

[Barkeep49]

when in hell did my vote come so important?
When you became the last player to cast a vote in a very tight race :).

[nfg22]

when in hell did my vote come so important?
Wait...Wait...Now!!!

[Lathum]

You're right it wouldn't prove it absolutely but Sylar would be telling a HELL of a risk picking a name from the list which another player, more likely than not, already has. I just don't see Sylar taking that chance.

again, where does it say that sylar wasn't given an alias, or that sylar has a list of who is in the game?

[nfg22]

Well I am out till midnight. See yall. May the company die!!!

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think the no-lynchers aren't bad, just misguided. As long as the vote is on a non-bad guy, the bad guys want a lynch because it helps them win.

UNVOTE Oliegirl
VOTE The Jackal

[Barkeep49]

again, where does it say that sylar wasn't given an alias, or that sylar has a list of who is in the game?
JH stated as much earlier on.

[hoopsguy]

Wow - this got really interesting really quickly. I have zero idea how to interpret this movement at a quick glance.

[st.cronin]

I think the no-lynchers aren't bad, just misguided.

I tend to agree with this. I'm not so much suspicious of people voting no-lynch, as I am exasperated.

[Alan T]

again, where does it say that sylar wasn't given an alias, or that sylar has a list of who is in the game?

Here is Jeheinz quote regarding it. Although there was some debate between people regarding to how it was worded and it's true meaning.

There will be a good amount more names than players, but he won't be told a name that isn't in the game.

[DaddyTorgo]

i've got like 20 mins where i have a window to change my vote here...hmmm

[Lathum]

JH stated as much earlier on.

I must have missed that, can you show me where?

[path12]

I find this mini run on neon chaos odd.

Me too. And I was part of it.

[Lathum]

Wow - this got really interesting really quickly. I have zero idea how to interpret this movement at a quick glance.

it did. Just looking at when the votes came it seems like a movement to save thomkal and possibly ardent

[path12]

In case you haven't read through most of the thread, I did point out the reasons why I chose to vote that way. I was simply doing it because it was safer for the village rather than casting a blind vote on someone at that point in time.

I also said that I would probably be switching my vote once a race has been established, if the No Lynch vote doesn't gain any momentum.

Well, I do read the thread and I did see your reasoning. But that doesn't mean I either agree or still found it off for you to follow the initial no lynch vote so quickly, especially since you know as well as any of us how ineffective a two day no lynch by the village is.

[path12]

I find this mini run on neon chaos odd.

Actually, looking back on the posts where votes were made I find the run on Ardent a little more pronounced than the Neon one.

[Greyroofoo]

can i ask for a vote count?

[path12]

it did. Just looking at when the votes came it seems like a movement to save thomkal and possibly ardent

I don't get the Thomkal votes at all. There is nothing I've seen that makes him a vote for today.

[path12]

Dola, so if from that standpoint it makes my vote seem like a save for him then so be it.

[Greyroofoo]

and why the two recent votes for the Jackal?

[The Jackal]

Well, crap. I'm at work and just got caught up. There's really no reason to have all these votes on me. Someone decided to put a few on me yesterday and because of that I'm about to be lynched? I'm a hero, albeit not an extremely powerful one but I definitely have a useful role, and getting rid of me would be a very poor idea. I don't want to vote for no lynch but I will if this run on me doesn't go away.

[Neon_Chaos]

Well, I do read the thread and I did see your reasoning. But that doesn't mean I either agree or still found it off for you to follow the initial no lynch vote so quickly, especially since you know as well as any of us how ineffective a two day no lynch by the village is.

No, I don't know how ineffective it is. I can't remember being involved in a two-day no lynch where everyone had powers. A mitigating factor why I chose the no lynch rout was because we all had powers.

If this were a normal WW game, a no-lynch for day 2 would be a big no-no. Why? Because it would be more practical to potentially sacrifice a regular villager in order to weed out the wolves. The chance of lynching someone with a helpful power would be remote.

But in a game where everyone had powers? It's to our advantage that we keep as many of us alive as long as possible, specially when we're still flying blind in order to be able to benefit more from everyone's powers.

[st.cronin]

I don't get the Thomkal votes at all. There is nothing I've seen that makes him a vote for today.

I think the Thomkal votes are residual from the pass/alan day 1 thing that either was resolved or wasn't resolved but which I'm frankly a little afraid to bring up. :)

[st.cronin]

I admit I am not familiar with the case against the Jackal at all.

[Greyroofoo]

Well, crap. I'm at work and just got caught up. There's really no reason to have all these votes on me. Someone decided to put a few on me yesterday and because of that I'm about to be lynched? I'm a hero, albeit not an extremely powerful one but I definitely have a useful role, and getting rid of me would be a very poor idea. I don't want to vote for no lynch but I will if this run on me doesn't go away.

i'm personally interested in a tie if i don't see why people voted for ya

[The Jackal]

I don't really have anything against you, Neon, but I have to do this because of what you did.

Unvote Thomkal

Vote Neon Chaos

[The Jackal]

I admit I am not familiar with the case against the Jackal at all.

I think it's just the fact that there were a few votes put on me on day 1, and since we've got no real direction on day 2, people returned to someone who'd been voted in day 1. I believe the original reason someone put a vote on me is because I remarked that being the sylar would be cool, a statement which I will never retract, because I think it'd be fun to be that role, but that really shouldn't get me lynched. Waste of a day if it happens like that.

[Neon_Chaos]

I understand, Jackal. Quid pro quo.

Thomkal, Jackal, if all three of us move to No Lynch, then we can potentially diffuse this ridiculous situation.

[jeheinz72]

Jackal (6): hoopsguy (489), nfg22 (498), Thomkal (520), Barkeep (529), Neon Chaos (553), Mr. Wednesday (565)

Neon Chaos (5): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511), Daddy Torgo (530), Jackal (585)

Ardent (4): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518)

Thomkal (3): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474)

No Lynch (3): Narcizo (445), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)


Not voting: Greyroofoo

[DaddyTorgo]

I understand, Jackal. Quid pro quo.

Thomkal, Jackal, if all three of us move to No Lynch, then we can potentially diffuse this ridiculous situation.

that would certainly raise eyebrows. linking yourself to the two of them is either risky or ballsy, or puts a big target on the three of you.

[Greyroofoo]

that would certainly raise eyebrows. linking yourself to the two of them is either risky or ballsy, or puts a big target on the three of you.

maybe thomkal, but jackal and neon saving their skins doesn't make one a wolf in my book

[DaddyTorgo]

lunch

[DaddyTorgo]

doesn't make them a wolf. just...interesting is all *shrugs*

[st.cronin]

maybe thomkal, but jackal and neon saving their skins doesn't make one a wolf in my book

While I agree with this it would be very frustrating for those of us trying to figure out who actually is a wolf.

[The Jackal]

that would certainly raise eyebrows. linking yourself to the two of them is either risky or ballsy, or puts a big target on the three of you.

We honestly have nothing to do with each other, and I have no reason to suspect that either of them is bad (they could be, but there's nothing close to proof). I'm not really in favor of another day of no lynch, but if both of you switch, I will.

[Neon_Chaos]

that would certainly raise eyebrows. linking yourself to the two of them is either risky or ballsy, or puts a big target on the three of you.

Seems like Jackal up and left, though. So the idea is moot.

[Neon_Chaos]

Oh wait, he's back. :)

[Greyroofoo]

anyways vote jackal

I got 4 minutes before I get back to work if anone wants to persuade me why this is bad

[Greyroofoo]

anyone*

[Alan T]

While I agree with this it would be very frustrating for those of us trying to figure out who actually is a wolf.


My bet is none of the three are a wolf.

[Neon_Chaos]

Thomkal, what do you think?

[Greyroofoo]

My bet is none of the three are a wolf.

would be an easy bet for you if you are a wolf :)

[jeheinz72]

Jackal (7): hoopsguy (489), nfg22 (498), Thomkal (520), Barkeep (529), Neon Chaos (553), Mr. Wednesday (565), Greyroofoo (597)

Neon Chaos (5): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511), Daddy Torgo (530), Jackal (585)

Ardent (4): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518)

Thomkal (3): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474)

No Lynch (3): Narcizo (445), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)

[st.cronin]

Alan, are you in favor of no lynch?

[The Jackal]

I'm around guys, don't worry if you see me off the site. I am at work, so I am working on different projects while keeping up with this thread.

There's absolutely no reason to lynch me. Thomkal and Neon are the only people who have legitimate votes because they were made out of self preservation. If I am lynched, I suggest you look strongly at the other people who voted for me.

[Alan T]

would be an easy bet for you if you are a wolf :)

Yep, if i was a wolf, it would be really easy to know who was a wolf.

That wasn't quite the approach I was taking. I think it seemed pretty obvious to me that Thomkal/Pass not only was good but also had a role that we don't want to lose. The Jackal seems to be a victim of a setup pretty similar to what I felt was happening to me last night.

Neon is the only wildcard out of the bunch, and my gut feeling is that Ardent is bad and people pushed Neon up there to save Ardent, thus making neon likely good.

So I might be wrong, but I'll still bet that all three are good.

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I probably won't be around much this afternoon - work craziness is continuing to make 1PM deadlines tough for me.

Hope that the lynch goes the right way and that we have some good info for Day 3.

[Alan T]

Alan, are you in favor of no lynch?

I think all of the absolutes that people are using in saying "A Day 2 no lynch is bad" isn't really accurate. We had a game last year where two straight days of no lynches not only ended up being real good for us but helped us win the game. It was a game similar to this where everyone had roles and alot of information was out there.

I'm not as convinced that this game is as open to the information being forthcoming, but just based on some reactions of various players.. I think there is -SOME- information out there, just not available to the entire group as of yet.

I'm not pushing for a no lynch today, I wanted to see Ardent get lynched today.. but I think saying cut and dry no lynch is bad is inaccurate in some cases.

[The Jackal]

Yep, if i was a wolf, it would be really easy to know who was a wolf.

That wasn't quite the approach I was taking. I think it seemed pretty obvious to me that Thomkal/Pass not only was good but also had a role that we don't want to lose. The Jackal seems to be a victim of a setup pretty similar to what I felt was happening to me last night.

Neon is the only wildcard out of the bunch, and my gut feeling is that Ardent is bad and people pushed Neon up there to save Ardent, thus making neon likely good.

So I might be wrong, but I'll still bet that all three are good.

You're absolutely right. Would you be up for switching to no lynch? With me, you, and neon doing it, it'd at least give me a chance to live.

[The Jackal]

Whats the case against Ardent? I could certainly switch to him.

[Thomkal]

sorry I've been away from the computer. I cannot support a move to no lynch despite who it might save, myself included because I strongly believe we need some information from this lynch. I could move to Ardent I suppose if there's enough votes, but not a no lynch

[Alan T]

You're absolutely right. Would you be up for switching to no lynch? With me, you, and neon doing it, it'd at least give me a chance to live.


I'm not willing to put my neck on the line to save you in case I am wrong about you. I'm just stating my observation on how the vote went today, which also may or may not be incorrect.

[The Jackal]

Works for me. I'd prefer a person over a no lynch, anyways.

Unvote Neon

Vote Ardent

[Neon_Chaos]

Jackal, I have no idea if you're innocent or not, but we were all put in this predicament by that surge to save ardent. If you move your vote to Ardent, I can move my vote as well and that creates a tie between the two of you... better chances than being outright lynched.

[st.cronin]

The case against ardent:

Claimed to have no NIGHT actions.
Appears to not be able to contribute a whole lot, based on schedule.

[The Jackal]

I'm not willing to put my neck on the line to save you in case I am wrong about you. I'm just stating my observation on how the vote went today, which also may or may not be incorrect.

don't blame you at all, just checking

[Alan T]

Whats the case against Ardent? I could certainly switch to him.

I don't know that there is much better of a case against Ardent than any of you three. I'm just going off of hunches right now. Like anything else I might be entirely wrong, but my gut is just telling me that Ardent might be bad because of how he acted in regards to his vote on me previously (without a reason), and then seeing how certain other players I'm suspicious of reacted in regards to him once he got in the middle of the heat.

I've been wrong far more than I've been right on early game hunches like this though.. so you're probably better off just not listening to me anyways.

[The Jackal]

Jackal, I have no idea if you're innocent or not, but we were all put in this predicament by that surge to save ardent. If you move your vote to Ardent, I can move my vote as well and that creates a tie between the two of you... better chances than being outright lynched.

you only have a couple of minutes, go for it

[Neon_Chaos]

Oh. There ya go.

Unvote Jackal
Vote Ardent

[jeheinz72]

Jackal (6): hoopsguy (489), nfg22 (498), Thomkal (520), Barkeep (529), Mr. Wednesday (565), Greyroofoo (597)

Ardent (6): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518), Jackal (612), Neon Chaos (618)


Neon Chaos (4): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511), Daddy Torgo (530)


Thomkal (3): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474)

No Lynch (3): Narcizo (445), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)

[jeheinz72]

2 minutes.

[The Jackal]

Want to break the tie, Thomkal?

[jeheinz72]

Deadline.

[jeheinz72]

Here's the votes, off to computate and then write-up

Jackal (6): hoopsguy (489), nfg22 (498), Thomkal (520), Barkeep (529), Mr. Wednesday (565), Greyroofoo (597)

Ardent (6): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518), Jackal (612), Neon Chaos (618)


Neon Chaos (4): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511), Daddy Torgo (530)


Thomkal (3): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474)

No Lynch (3): Narcizo (445), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)

[st.cronin]

Well, I guess we find out what happens in a tie!

[Alan T]

I take it deadline is at 12:59:59 in this game?

[Thomkal]

sorry jackal

[The Jackal]

meh, it's alright, hopefully the tiebreaker doesn't get me

[jeheinz72]

I take it deadline is at 12:59:59 in this game?

Deadline is when I post "Deadline".

Which should always be at the stroke of 1 PM EST.

[Lathum]

you said stroke, huh huh

[SnDvls]

since it's deadline I'm going to get this out now as the "night" actions are past due.

I am Ando....I can watch people, night 1 I watched my day 1 vote mauboy...he did nothing but grab a bite to eat. Tonight I am watching ardent if he isn't lynched

[Thomkal]

if the tiebreaker is earliest vote you are safe Jackal

[SnDvls]

dola - and no I don't know Hiro either

[Thomkal]

interesting, I wouldn't have thought Ando would be in the game. Cool power though.

[The Jackal]

if the tiebreaker is earliest vote you are safe Jackal

i don't think heinz would make it that easy :)

[SnDvls]

interesting, I wouldn't have thought Ando would be in the game. Cool power though.

not really a power per say, but a nice action

[The Jackal]

since it's deadline I'm going to get this out now as the "night" actions are past due.

I am Ando....I can watch people, night 1 I watched my day 1 vote mauboy...he did nothing but grab a bite to eat. Tonight I am watching ardent if he isn't lynched

strange reveal

[The Jackal]

i guess ill say why i thought that was a strange reveal in case i die -

1, you didnt find out anything about mau, but he could still be a wolf and just not have done anything last night, so that piece of information isn't all that useful

2, you now have a bullseye on your back without having given us real info

[Lathum]

since it's deadline I'm going to get this out now as the "night" actions are past due.

I am Ando....I can watch people, night 1 I watched my day 1 vote mauboy...he did nothing but grab a bite to eat. Tonight I am watching ardent if he isn't lynched

lets hope you aren't duked ;)

[Lathum]

sndvls, why would you vote for ardent then watch him, potentialy wasting your night ability?

[jeheinz72]

The day brings action all over the place. First no one agrees, then this band of supernatural beings sets itself onto a few people. At the last minute, it is tied. Then, special orders are carried out and things are changed:

Ardent (7): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518), Jackal (612), Neon Chaos (618), hoopsguy (N/A)

Jackal (5): nfg22 (498), Thomkal (520), Barkeep (529), Mr. Wednesday (565), Greyroofoo (597)

Neon Chaos (4): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511), Daddy Torgo (530)

Thomkal (3): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474)

No Lynch (3): Narcizo (445), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)

Ardent Enthusiast must die today. The group focuses all of their powers upon him and he literally explodes. Falling from the debris you notice an envelope. In it contains a paycheck...from The Company.

Ardent Enthusiast was working for The Company!

Then suddenly all of the bloody mish-mash of what was Ardent Enthusiast just disappears. In death, he went invisible.


Claude Rains

Power: You have the power of invisibility. As such, you can never be spied on and you can never be scanned accurately (you’ll always come back as a Hero).


I will process night actions now and post results shortly.

[Lathum]

nice.

[The Jackal]

good lord thank you to whoever did that

and way to have good suspicions, alan

[Alan T]

Whats up with the hoopsguy vote there? Was that part of a tiebreaker, or did someone force his vote or what?

Not that I mind, just curious.

[Lathum]

so someone moved hoops' vote to ardent?

[Neon_Chaos]

Boom. Shakalaka.

Nice job, Jackal.

[Lathum]

just in case I am offed in a few minutes, sndvls play seems really odd. Is he just trying to get info out there in case he is night killed?

[jeheinz72]

Whats up with the hoopsguy vote there? Was that part of a tiebreaker, or did someone force his vote or what?

Not that I mind, just curious.

No tiebreaker was triggered.

[The Jackal]

just in case I am offed in a few minutes, sndvls play seems really odd. Is he just trying to get info out there in case he is night killed?

that's all well and good but he didn't have any useful info, so what was the point of revealing

[Alan T]

just in case I am offed in a few minutes, sndvls play seems really odd. Is he just trying to get info out there in case he is night killed?

I don't have too much of a problem with sndvls play. he gave us some information on mauboy (not enough to clear him, but some information at least), I doubt Ando is a high priority for Sylar to hunt down and I'm guessing as the rules state there are some duplicates of powers, so he probably isn't the only one with a similar ability.

The only thing I don't like is by narrowing down who not to go for, you give less targets for Sylar to have to choose from.. but I don't have an issue with the reveal at all.

[path12]

So did hoops have the tiebreak then?

[Alan T]

So did hoops have the tiebreak then?

No.. Hoops' vote was on Jackal.. Someone moved his vote.. I'm guessing whomever has the power of persuasion

[path12]

No tiebreaker was triggered.

So did hoops have the tiebreak then?

Guess not.

[The Jackal]

I don't have too much of a problem with sndvls play. he gave us some information on mauboy (not enough to clear him, but some information at least), I doubt Ando is a high priority for Sylar to hunt down and I'm guessing as the rules state there are some duplicates of powers, so he probably isn't the only one with a similar ability.

The only thing I don't like is by narrowing down who not to go for, you give less targets for Sylar to have to choose from.. but I don't have an issue with the reveal at all.

The only issue I have with it, persay, is that it seems like it would've been better for us if that role stayed hidden until it got some real info, you know? It's good that we have one factoid on mau, but if snd gets night killed then we've lost that ability.. maybe not one of the strongest ones? but hey, it's still pretty damn useful.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm glad I moved my vote. Whew. Those were a ridiculously tense last 10 minutes there.

[SnDvls]

sndvls, why would you vote for ardent then watch him, potentialy wasting your night ability?

I have a conditional order in

[Alan T]

Looking at Ardent's role... its nice that we got the cunning wolf, whom couldn't be spied on either.. That would have been one that could have caused us problems down the road with a CoT

[path12]

just in case I am offed in a few minutes, sndvls play seems really odd. Is he just trying to get info out there in case he is night killed?

I guess, but don't know why he would think he was in enough danger to reveal. It strikes me as a useful, but not terribly powerful ability though.

Does that name/power match with the show? That would give us another data point on that theory.

[The Jackal]

Looking at Ardent's role... its nice that we got the cunning wolf, whom couldn't be spied on either.. That would have been one that could have caused us problems down the road with a CoT

One of the best things we could've hoped for.

[Alan T]

I guess, but don't know why he would think he was in enough danger to reveal. It strikes me as a useful, but not terribly powerful ability though.

Does that name/power match with the show? That would give us another data point on that theory.


Ando was one of the ones I brought up the other day questioning what type of power or ability he would have had.. he really is rather insignificant in the show, and basically acts as a character to allow Hiro to "explain" a story for the audience through Ando.

If I had to guess on day 1, Ando's super power would have been to fetch lemonade or something.. so really its as reasonable as anything else I suppose.

[path12]

I'm glad I moved my vote. Whew. Those were a ridiculously tense last 10 minutes there.

Good call. Did you find it as odd as I did that Ardent's fellow company members let him get in a tie?

[Lathum]

No.. Hoops' vote was on Jackal.. Someone moved his vote.. I'm guessing whomever has the power of persuasion

my thoughts exactly.

My guess would be Parkman or maybe Mickha

[SnDvls]

I guess, but don't know why he would think he was in enough danger to reveal. It strikes me as a useful, but not terribly powerful ability though.

Does that name/power match with the show? That would give us another data point on that theory.

I wanted to try and establish some COT going into day 3

if I'm lost so be it, but at least it's a stat of a COT and if I am killed my loss of role won't hurt too bad.

[Alan T]

Good call. Did you find it as odd as I did that Ardent's fellow company members let him get in a tie?

It happened with like 1 minute left, and possibly not enough time for them to react.. and even if they did react it would have looked suspicious.

I think the place we look is when Ardent was tied earlier in the morning for the lead, see who all was involved in saving him and pushing the vote to Neon and The Jackal.

[path12]

Along the lines of my last post. I wonder if any of the early Ardent voters might have been caught in a position where they couldn't switch late without shining a light on themselves......

[SnDvls]

The person I tailed today also could spy/tail someone or so it seemed they were doing that to me.

The person I tailed today was following a blond women.

[SnDvls]

dola - I believe the person I tailed will know who they are from what I offered up.

[The Jackal]

Good call. Did you find it as odd as I did that Ardent's fellow company members let him get in a tie?

Yes and no. It kind of all went down in the last 5-10 minutes, and any vote switching by people that weren't under threat of lynching would look pretty damn suspicious.

[Neon_Chaos]

I find it odd that Thomkal kept silent during those last crucial moments when Jackal and I were continually asking him to reply to our propositions.

Could it be that people were trying to prevent an Ardent - Thomkal tie, pushing votes towards me and Jackal, because both are wolves?

Not thinking straight right now. Adrenaline is rushing. :)

[Thomkal]

I don't think Ardent's going to be too happy when he gets here to read this. :) Thanks to whomever moved that vote (Eden? Hiro?) and those who believed me when I said I was a hero and moved their votes.

[Lathum]

If I am killed I also want to get it out there that BK seemed to know alot about the mechanics of sylars role and when I pushed him on it he dissapeared

[path12]

It happened with like 1 minute left, and possibly not enough time for them to react.. and even if they did react it would have looked suspicious.

I think the place we look is when Ardent was tied earlier in the morning for the lead, see who all was involved in saving him and pushing the vote to Neon and The Jackal.

As you can see, I partially agree, especially as far as it being way too suspicious to move that vote late. There very well could be something in people trying to save, but obviously there wasn't enough movement for that to be successful.

I also think that it would be helpful (from both a trust and game standpoint) to get a little more info about how hoops vote got switched. Whoever did that gained some in my eyes, though could it have been Sylar somehow?

I think we'll end up getting good info from this vote, in addition to getting a bad guy.

[The Jackal]

I know I've mentioned this before, but is it usual for Render to be this quiet?

[path12]

Could it be that people were trying to prevent an Ardent - Thomkal tie, pushing votes towards me and Jackal, because both are wolves?

Maybe, but hard for me to go there entirely since I voted for you and a) I know I'm not a wolf, and b) I thought it was a reasonable vote.

[path12]

I know I've mentioned this before, but is it usual for Render to be this quiet?

He's been quieter last couple games, IIRC. I also think this schedule isn't optimal for him.

[st.cronin]

We need to figure out Thomkal. If Thomkal = villager, then we have a substantial COT.

[Lathum]

I also think that it would be helpful (from both a trust and game standpoint) to get a little more info about how hoops vote got switched. Whoever did that gained some in my eyes, though could it have been Sylar somehow?

I think we'll end up getting good info from this vote, in addition to getting a bad guy.

I doubt it was sylar. I think we will learn more about sylar after he kills. If we go by the show sylar won't have any powers until he kills someone.

[path12]

If I am killed I also want to get it out there that BK seemed to know alot about the mechanics of sylars role and when I pushed him on it he dissapeared

When was that? I'll have to go back when I get a chance.

[The Jackal]

He's been quieter last couple games, IIRC. I also think this schedule isn't optimal for him.

Fair enough, just checking.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd just like to note that my vote for The Jackal was because a) I didn't want No Lynch, and b) I wasn't sold on Thomkal.

[The Jackal]

We need to figure out Thomkal. If Thomkal = villager, then we have a substantial COT.

I agree with you there.

[path12]

We need to figure out Thomkal. If Thomkal = villager, then we have a substantial COT.

This whole Thomkal suspicion still baffles me. Are you saying that from a standpoint of votes switching to no lynch/others in order to save him?

[Neon_Chaos]

Actually, Thomkal just shutting his mouth, refusing to move his vote at all during those last few minutes (despite being safely behind thanks to people moving their votes)....

And then apologizing to Jackal right after the deadline? Apologize that he didn't want a fellow wolf get lynched outright, perhaps?

Something just isn't right with how Thomkal acted towards the end.

[Lathum]

Giving your hero name at this point would prove you're not Sylar but not clear you of being Company so I don't see it really helping you.

how do you know that?

You're right it wouldn't prove it absolutely but Sylar would be telling a HELL of a risk picking a name from the list which another player, more likely than not, already has. I just don't see Sylar taking that chance.

again, where does it say that sylar wasn't given an alias, or that sylar has a list of who is in the game?

JH stated as much earlier on.

I must have missed that, can you show me where?

When was that? I'll have to go back when I get a chance.

That was the last we heard from BK, now it is the middle of the day in all fairness.

[The Jackal]

This whole Thomkal suspicion still baffles me. Are you saying that from a standpoint of votes switching to no lynch/others in order to save him?

I don't think he's necessarily suspicious of Thomkal, just that if we know Thomkal is a villager then we have some very useful voting data from this day.

[The Jackal]

Actually, Thomkal just shutting his mouth, refusing to move his vote at all during those last few minutes (despite being safely behind thanks to people moving their votes)....

And then apologizing to Jackal right after the deadline? Apologize that he didn't want a fellow wolf get lynched outright, perhaps?

Something just isn't right with how Thomkal acted towards the end.

I wanted to believe it was just because he was busy, but the lack of a post in those last few minutes does smell pretty fishy.

[jeheinz72]

Night Two Results

After the explosion of ardent and an ok nights' sleep you wake with a bounce in your step when you get out of bed. Again you flip on the news and hear a horrible story. It seems that out in some gigantic field a teenager was found, dead as a board. No speculation as to the cause of death. Eerily, you recognize the kid. It was oliegirl, West Rosen, a Hero.


West Rosen</ST1:p

You are one of the Heroes
Your goal is to both eliminate all of the Company members and to eliminate Sylar as well
<O:p
Power:
You have dual abilities, kinda. The first is Matt Parkman can read minds, and can communicate freely with you. The 2<SUP>nd</SUP>, is the ability to fly. As someone who can fly, you are harder to kill and can spy on people easily. Each night you can either A) Protect yourself or B) Spy on someone. Your success at either is random (i.e. you could choose to protect yourself and still die, you could Spy on someone and learn nothing)

[Lathum]

There will be a good amount more names than players, but he won't be told a name that isn't in the game.

this is what JeHeinze said, which IMO is pretty vague

[jeheinz72]

Almost forgot...

Day/Night Three has begun. Lynch Votes and Night Actions are due by 1 PM EST on Thursday, March 6th.

[st.cronin]

This whole Thomkal suspicion still baffles me. Are you saying that from a standpoint of votes switching to no lynch/others in order to save him?

Votes switching. If the votes moved from Thomkal (villager) to Ardent (wolf), then I am going to assume the votes that moved are villager votes. If Thomkal is a wolf, which I have no idea if he is, then we really have no data, the vote was wolf vs. wolf.

[Lathum]

OK, so 1 kill each night is a silver lining.

What do we make of the difference in the way the kills were done?

[The Jackal]

Votes switching. If the votes moved from Thomkal (villager) to Ardent (wolf), then I am going to assume the votes that moved are villager votes. If Thomkal is a wolf, which I have no idea if he is, then we really have no data, the vote was wolf vs. wolf.

Thomkal is probably #1 on my lynch list right now, to be honest. If someone used a night power to find out info about him, would be a pretty good reveal, but otherwise, that's where my preliminary vote is looking to be.

[Alan T]

Once Ardent turned up as a wolf, the first place that I was going to start looking for the next wolf was Cronin. Its not unheard of for him to throw a vote on a fellow wolf early when it doesn't matter.. and in Ardent's case he was kind of caught holding the bag without being able to move his vote.

I'm not really sold on this just yet, but the way he is pushing on Thomkal helps me feel stronger to vote for Cronin today. This isn't any more than a gut feeling though, and probably one that isn't any better than the gut feeling I had on Ardent..

[The Jackal]

OK, so 1 kill each night is a silver lining.

What do we make of the difference in the way the kills were done?

It's possible that people just said how they would like the deaths to happen, I remember that was the case in the last game.

It makes the most sense that each of these kills was done by the company, but the lack of a sylar sighting (or known sylar killing, at least) is on the one hand good for us, but slightly disturbing. Maybe sylar kills people during the day? I guess we'll find out eventually.

[Alan T]

OK, so 1 kill each night is a silver lining.

What do we make of the difference in the way the kills were done?

I think it is different depending on whom does the kill for the company. The first night the bullet still seems to lead me to think that HRG is company in this game and he did the kill..

Stiff as a board, I'm trying to play through in my mind who that could be. Doesn't sound like Sylar though. I'm wondering if its Bob's ability to transmutate that killed Olie.

[The Jackal]

Once Ardent turned up as a wolf, the first place that I was going to start looking for the next wolf was Cronin. Its not unheard of for him to throw a vote on a fellow wolf early when it doesn't matter.. and in Ardent's case he was kind of caught holding the bag without being able to move his vote.

I'm not really sold on this just yet, but the way he is pushing on Thomkal helps me feel stronger to vote for Cronin today. This isn't any more than a gut feeling though, and probably one that isn't any better than the gut feeling I had on Ardent..

No, it's a good gut feeling. That's common wolf behavior, putting a vote on a wolf so that later in the game there's less suspicion on you.

[Neon_Chaos]

Thomkal's only message before the lynch:


sorry I've been away from the computer. I cannot support a move to no lynch despite who it might save, myself included because I strongly believe we need some information from this lynch. I could move to Ardent I suppose if there's enough votes, but not a no lynch

Jackal then moved his vote.

Then I moved my vote.

Then deadline...

And then, this message from Thomkal at 1:01, which means he's probably been paying attention to the thread.

sorry jackal

There were enough votes. But he didn't move his, even though he was right there. And then, the quick apology? It screams wolf to me.

[The Jackal]

I think it is different depending on whom does the kill for the company. The first night the bullet still seems to lead me to think that HRG is company in this game and he did the kill..

Stiff as a board, I'm trying to play through in my mind who that could be. Doesn't sound like Sylar though. I'm wondering if its Bob's ability to transmutate that killed Olie.

After reading your post, I think we should dismiss any of my speculation on the type of night kills since I've never seen the show. But hearing your interpretations is nice.

[Alan T]

I'm a little troubled by my night PM.. I was debating on what to reveal and how much.. but I am troubled because I don't know if the result of my night PM is due to someone purposely blocking me from action or because of the person i chose to use my action on..

Basically my nightly PM that i received was a Viagra add...

[oliegirl]

Damn...I was really liking this game! Avenge me heroes!!!!

:(

[The Jackal]

I'm a little troubled by my night PM.. I was debating on what to reveal and how much.. but I am troubled because I don't know if the result of my night PM is due to someone purposely blocking me from action or because of the person i chose to use my action on..

Basically my nightly PM that i received was a Viagra add...

That is tough. I don't know what other people think, but I'd say hold it to yourself for now, especially since we wouldn't know if it was a result of the person you scanned or a random person blocking your action.

[DaddyTorgo]

way to go team heroes!!!

that's what i like to see happen when i check out for lunch

[Alan T]

That is tough. I don't know what other people think, but I'd say hold it to yourself for now, especially since we wouldn't know if it was a result of the person you scanned or a random person blocking your action.

I didn't say I "scanned" them.. just to make it clear, I haven't described my action.. I chose to use it (whatever it is) on someone and got a viagra add as a PM.. that really threw me for a loop.. Which is why I am wondering if someone just blocked me is all.

[The Jackal]

I've probably been getting paid to surf these forums long enough, gonna get back to fully doing work now. ;)

I'll catch up on the thread as soon as I get home.

[The Jackal]

I didn't say I "scanned" them.. just to make it clear, I haven't described my action.. I chose to use it (whatever it is) on someone and got a viagra add as a PM.. that really threw me for a loop.. Which is why I am wondering if someone just blocked me is all.

Right, right. Didn't mean to finger your role or anything, clearly you haven't revealed much about it. So it's a case of, either you got blocked by a random person who might've thought you were a wolf (or someone in the company can block night actions), or the person you used your ability on has some sort of deflection mechanism. Interesting dilemma.

[Neon_Chaos]

Thomkal, care to explain what happened in the end game there?

[DaddyTorgo]

I've probably been getting paid to surf these forums long enough, gonna get back to fully doing work now. ;)

I'll catch up on the thread as soon as I get home.

ditto. gotta work hard this afternoon

[hoopsguy]

Whats up with the hoopsguy vote there? Was that part of a tiebreaker, or did someone force his vote or what?

Not that I mind, just curious.

Doing a lot of catching up over a short lunch hour (haven't read my PM yet) but I didn't have anything to do with moving the vote. Great job to whoever did move the vote.

I've got comments on AE, but I want to finish reading the 100 or so posts after Alan's quoted one above first.

[SnDvls]

I've got comments on AE, but I want to finish reading the 100 or so posts after Alan's quoted one above first.

I think AE blew it when he said he didn't have a night action... to me that just really stuck out given the plain-ish role I have in this game.

[SnDvls]

- Everyone will have some sort of ability, good guys and bad guys. Some abilities will be very powerful, some will be uh...not.


DOLA - this is why it really stuck out to me too ;)

[nfg22]

So you also dont have a night role? That is what made AE suspicious? What does that say about you?

[nfg22]

oops
Just forgot...you are in the CoT

[nfg22]

I dont always read who posts before they post

[Barkeep49]

Lathum: I was basing my Sylar info on the post that you quoted. I didn't respond to it further because someone else had already found the post I was referring to. I'm not trying to hide, just trying to pop in and out when I have time and something to say.

[nfg22]

Ok. SnDvls I didnt read on your ability. Im confised now. You said that you have a plain ability? What did you mean by that? You said you followed someone around how is that plain? Im just trying to straighten all this

[Lathum]

Lathum: I was basing my Sylar info on the post that you quoted. I didn't respond to it further because someone else had already found the post I was referring to. I'm not trying to hide, just trying to pop in and out when I have time and something to say.

fair enough.

it just seems you are making alot of assumptions based on a vague statement.

[SnDvls]

Ok. SnDvls I didnt read on your ability. Im confised now. You said that you have a plain ability? What did you mean by that? You said you followed someone around how is that plain? Im just trying to straighten all this

Compaired to flying, switching someone's vote ect....I'd say that's pretty plain.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so thoughts on Ardent - when he said he had a passive power I was trying to guess what kind of power that might be. Well, I've got a passive power as well as The Cheerleader (yay, team!), Claire Bennet. So I thought that Ardent might have Adam Monroe and have the same power that I've got.

Additionally, I have a secondary power and that is to search for Noah Bennet. If I find him then I'll be able to send PMs to him. I've checked two people so far and haven't located him. Many of my theories on who has what role have already been proven wrong (Adam Monroe, Noah, Mohinder are three that leap to mind right away).

I'm fine with revealing what people I've scanned that aren't Noah, but that also might be a nice ace in the hole if someone fake reveals.

Also, Claude was with the Company in the show (he left eventually) and was with the Company in this game. Then again, would you say that the Haitian was with the Company (he also left)? We've got a small sample set of roles/sides up to this point, but I'm not totally sold on the idea that faction is unrelated to name despite the comments in the rules suggesting otherwise.

[Alan T]

OK, so thoughts on Ardent - when he said he had a passive power I was trying to guess what kind of power that might be. Well, I've got a passive power as well as The Cheerleader (yay, team!), Claire Bennet. So I thought that Ardent might have Adam Monroe and have the same power that I've got.

Additionally, I have a secondary power and that is to search for Noah Bennet. If I find him then I'll be able to send PMs to him. I've checked two people so far and haven't located him. Many of my theories on who has what role have already been proven wrong (Adam Monroe, Noah, Mohinder are three that leap to mind right away).

I'm fine with revealing what people I've scanned that aren't Noah, but that also might be a nice ace in the hole if someone fake reveals.

Also, Claude was with the Company in the show (he left eventually) and was with the Company in this game. Then again, would you say that the Haitian was with the Company (he also left)? We've got a small sample set of roles/sides up to this point, but I'm not totally sold on the idea that faction is unrelated to name despite the comments in the rules suggesting otherwise.

Technically Claude was with the company far before the show's present time. He left the company before Noah Bennet did. Hoops, I am interested in your thoughts regarding Noah whom you are looking for. My speculation so far has been based on the gun killing of Ntn, he was responsible for that kill and thus company in this game..

If you are actively looking for him, would that tell you that Noah is definitly not company, or do you have some doubt to whether or not he might be company?


One other piece of information that may or may not be of interest .. Hoopsguy was the person I tried to use an action on last night.. So if his reveal is true, I don't see any power that he mentioned that would have blocked me, and thus someone else must have blocked me.

[Lathum]

Hoops, I suggest you keep your info to yourself for now.

When you check people are you told who they are, or just that they aren't noah?

[Neon_Chaos]

Gotta hit the sack soon.

I've got two people on who I would probably choose to vote for.

Thomkal - Those final ten minutes or so during the day really pinged you on my radar.

Render - He insisted that he wanted to have a race. before he voted for me, there were already 2 votes on AE. He does not vote for AE, and votes for me. Instead of actually making a race, he muddles things up even more. I think Lathum caught on to this.

[Thomkal]

Okay finally able to post after having two power outages in the last hour. I have an excuse for my not posting to save Jackal, but I'm sure it will seem lame to many. I am on a 56k modem here, and when I posted five minutes before deadline, I was catching up on posts, and then I was refreshing the screen.

I saw the move to Ardent with 2 minutes left, but because likely everybody else was refreshing, my connection crawled and I missed the deadline just as I was going to change my vote to Ardent. That's why I apologized to Jackal, because I wasn't able to move my vote in time. Lame I know but there it is.

Please note that I said I would move to Ardent, something I would clearly not do if I was a wolf with a clear lead on other non-wolves as it looks like Neon and Jackal are now. I also said I would not vote for Neon, who did move his vote to Ardent. I also said I would not vote no lynch not even to save myself, when I should have been all for the non-lynch vote if I was a wolf.

I'm certain someone scanned me last night given how much the focus was on me, and will come forward if they find out I work for the Company and/or Sylar.

[SnDvls]

well since he already say it...Alan was whom I followed yesterday

[SnDvls]

dola - said it by saying he followed hoops "the blonde women"

[Alan T]

well since he already say it...Alan was whom I followed yesterday


Hmmmmmmm

I honestly don't know what to make of this.. As far as I know, I didn't follow Hoops.. the only PM I got was some stupid Viagra ad.....

So if I am to believe your story, my request went through, but I just am unaware of my actions?

I mean your story does sound real.. since I did put an action in for Hoops.. but I really don't know what to make of my PM.

[Lathum]

well since he already say it...Alan was whom I followed yesterday

yet Alan got a viagra ad...

[Alan T]

I guess the only thing I can think of right now is that Parkman's father is in the game and is a company member and gave me a hallucination or nightmare... Where my action went through, but I don't remember it..

Otherwise, how would Sndvls have known my action was put in for Hoops who later revealed as a blonde cheerleader, matching up with Sndvls story?

[path12]

We've got a small sample set of roles/sides up to this point, but I'm not totally sold on the idea that faction is unrelated to name despite the comments in the rules suggesting otherwise.

It is otherwise in my case. I am on the opposite side of my character name.

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, I was wondering if I was the "blonde woman" in question. Could have been Nikki as well or maybe Elle.

Also, since there was only one kill last night I'm wondering if Ardent was marked as the killer for the Company and the kill was by Sylar. I would have expected Sylar kills to include some head-opening, but I'm having a hard time believing he is just chilling on the sidelines. And Ardent would make a ton of sense as the killer since he is not able to be followed.

Re: Noah Bennet - I don't learn any kind of faction info on HRG or the people I follow. Just whether or not they are Noah Bennet (aka Dad) Obviously, the fact that I can search for him makes me pretty sure he is in the game. Or else the moderator is having fun messing with me.

Oh, and I was a little weirded out earlier in the game when Alan said on Day 1 that "suppose Hoops is Claire and NTN is Linderman" ... I was trying to figure out what kind of role would have information on players like that and figured he could be Mohinder. But that theory died with NTN (not Linderman).

[hoopsguy]

Last note - both players I have scanned are still alive.

[hoopsguy]

I think there is some tremendous information that should be able to be built today in terms of CoT. Anyone who switched to Ardent should be absolutely not Company, as they would sacrifice themselves to protect the Cunning Wolf. I'll go through this tonight when I've got time if someone doesn't look at it between now and then.

[Alan T]

Oh, and I was a little weirded out earlier in the game when Alan said on Day 1 that "suppose Hoops is Claire and NTN is Linderman" ... I was trying to figure out what kind of role would have information on players like that and figured he could be Mohinder. But that theory died with NTN (not Linderman).

I had forgotten I had said that. Was purely accidental.. if it makes you feel any better, I had a feeling you might be Sylar with some things you had been pushing.. so I'm feeling a little better about you now based on your reveal plus what Sndvls said prior to your reveal. :)

[Thomkal]

I think there is some tremendous information that should be able to be built today in terms of CoT. Anyone who switched to Ardent should be absolutely not Company, as they would sacrifice themselves to protect the Cunning Wolf. I'll go through this tonight when I've got time if someone doesn't look at it between now and then.

And another reason to believe me. I wouldn't risk losing the cunning wolf to a tiebreaker if I was a wolf.

[RendeR]

Gotta hit the sack soon.

I've got two people on who I would probably choose to vote for.

Thomkal - Those final ten minutes or so during the day really pinged you on my radar.

Render - He insisted that he wanted to have a race. before he voted for me, there were already 2 votes on AE. He does not vote for AE, and votes for me. Instead of actually making a race, he muddles things up even more. I think Lathum caught on to this.

I honestly just didn't see the ardent votes in the list. I was reading fast to catch up with everything. *shrugs* I voted for you because someone else voted for you and I figured its a place to start. nothing more. I got nothing on you or anyone else at this point.

I have a few people I trust right now, but I'm hoping some other info comes out and corroborates things for me.

[Poli]

Why are my posts not adding!?!?!

Did someone turn off the post count on Werewolf games!?!?!?
That's funny. :p

[Poli]

Vote Ardent

it just concerns me he says he has no night power and doesn't sit well with me.
Meh, have you volunteered anything?

[RendeR]

Testing Testing, This is a test, this is ONLY a test, if this were a real message it would have told you where to go and what to do.

[Poli]

Looks like Thomkal at 4 and a bunch of people at 2. I'm making this move partially because of Ardent placing a vote on me for no reason previously, but also I am kind of curious to see how St.Cronin will react if Ardent actually gets in trouble and risked lynching.

Unvote Nfg

Vote Ardent



Sigh. :confused:

[SnDvls]

Meh, have you volunteered anything?

me thinks you'll be a little red faced once you get to the lynch result :D :p

[Poli]

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST
I must be dead by now.

[Poli]

I wouldn't count on that.

I can't speak for AE bur Narcizo and Neon are on the other side of the world and schmidty is always in his own world;) :p
Been at Barnes-Jewish Hospital and First Bank (Watson Rd). I got out early as I have a way too flipping early day tomorrow. I documented that in a post somewhere earlier.:rolleyes:

[SnDvls]

AE is almost as good as Marc Vaughn was in the past game where he was killed as a wolf but hadn't caught up yet :)

[Poli]

Whats the case against Ardent? I could certainly switch to him.It's the "I don't have a night action PM" whatever thing.

Since I don't, I'd guess someone else doesn't either. Meh.

[Poli]

me thinks you'll be a little red faced once you get to the lynch result
Just trying to protect myself in case I actually lived.

Good luck, all.

[Barkeep49]

AE is almost as good as Marc Vaughn was in the past game where he was killed as a wolf but hadn't caught up yet :)
I'll still maintain that we got ardent as much by his not being around as any real deduction on him. I'll take the luck, don't get me wrong, but for meta-game reasons I'm not thrilled with it.

[Barkeep49]

I'll still maintain that we got ardent as much by his not being around as any real deduction on him. I'll take the luck, don't get me wrong, but for meta-game reasons I'm not thrilled with it.
Let me add that the stated reason people were anti-ardent turned out to be 100% truthful.

[Barkeep49]

But enough meta whining. I agree that later voters on Ardent should be more trusted.

[Alan T]

I'll still maintain that we got ardent as much by his not being around as any real deduction on him. I'll take the luck, don't get me wrong, but for meta-game reasons I'm not thrilled with it.

I'm not entirely sure I follow here. I thought the majority of the people who voted for Ardent had reasons for it (even if in the case of The Jackal / Neon it was to save themselves). Without knowing who switched Hoops' vote, I guess we can't say the reasons for that at least.

[Alan T]

Dola,

I think it might actually be worthwhile to see who brought up the whole "Ardent isn't around" as a reason not to vote for him when the run on Neon occured. If anything is metagame, that is a metagame method to try to save Ardent. I'll go back and look to see who actually started that in an effort to save ardent without appearing to try.

[SnDvls]

my vote was not for any meta-game reason at all. he fouled up on his "power/ability" and I picked up on it.

if someone else's was because he wasn't here I don't know, but I openly stated my suspicision of his statement just after he made it.

[Narcizo]

See. I told you a no lynch vote was the way to go. :D

That's a pretty spiffy result. Well done everyone. I realise people are going to be suspicious of me after all this so fire any concerns/questions you have at me and, erm, I'll answer them tomorrow. If I can. I don't really have time to go through closely and think about all this stuff now anyway.