WW LXVII - Heroes (GAME OVER! HEROES WIN!)

[Narcizo]

Just in case some freak occurence means I lose Internet connection tomorrow.

VOTE NFG22

Given the ease with which all this seems to be going down the hyperactive part of my imagination is trying to come up with conspiracy theories about this. Scenarios under which Lathum and NFG are being set up - a wolf somehow getting Lathum to see a fake message - that's something I'd expect the Hana Gittelman to be able to do. But that is even more bizarre than Alan's conspiracy theory.

[Lathum]

Sorry to suck the life from today, I just wanted to get the info out there early since there may be some pretty odd mechanics.

[jeheinz72]

Is voting nightfall an option heiney?

Due to the fact that it's one deadline for day and night actions, no nightfall votes.

[Alan T]

I guess that just leaves us with ketchup porn.

[claphamsa]

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[claphamsa]

:(

[jeheinz72]

I can't resist...and hell, I'm the GM anyhow...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/jeheinz72/10618.jpg

[The Jackal]

Does it make you randy, baby?

[Schmidty]

vote nfg22

Reading through stuff. For a very important reason, I trust Lathum totally.


VOTE nfg22

[st.cronin]

Nice job, heroes. Lets get some vengeance, company!

[Schmidty]

Lathum, I wasn't going to reveal my info until something like your reveal came out..

For whatever its worth, I spied on Schmidty last night.. He was very interested in someone that was in an internet cafe checking "email".

I'm assuming that you were the one in the internet cafe, which means Schmidty chose to do something in relations to you last night. No idea what.

Oops, well, I guess you guys know why I trust Lathum now.

[Schmidty]

Nope. I sent in my night action like this before I went home:

Spy on st.cronin if he isn't lynched. Spy on Lathum if he cronin IS lynched.

Nothing more, nothing less.


Well.. call it the conspiracy theorist in me here.. but the thought running through my head is this:

1) Schmidty converts Lathum
2) Lathum and them decide that I'm already gunning for NFG, so time to sell him down the river to build trust..
3) Lathum's reveal that seems to have some holes regarding the wolf to wolf PMs.



Like I said though, it might be time for people to stop listening to my hunches.. I'm just giving my thoughts about what happened last night.

[Greyroofoo]

I am Micah. One of my abilities is every other night I can talk to someones computer and basicly get the last PM they sent.

I spoke to nfg22's, something just didn't feel right about his reveal. Without a direct quote of his PM it basicly said

The GRF plan backfired bigtime, the way things are going it looks like you are on your own.

If this is too close I'm sorry JeHeinze.

I wasn't told who the pm was sent to I was just able to look at a copy of it basicly.

So what was the "GRF plan"? I'm confused

[Alan T]

well.. this is alot less anti-climatic now considering the reveal and all.. Out until later tonight.

I know someone else mentioned it earlier today.. I wonder if its time to bring back up the discussion regarding full role reveals to try to nail Sylar at this point. Assuming NFG is company.. that is 3 down and I figure we're in a real good place...We also have had a good number of us revealed already so the number of people whom haven't revealed yet is getting smaller and smaller. Anyways.. my attempt for conversation today if its a forgone conclusion.

Vote NFG

[The Jackal]

So what was the "GRF plan"? I'm confused

I assume NFG was trying to raise suspicion on you by mentioning that olie felt you were acting weird in PMs, if I recall the argument correctly. In a game where we didn't have much as far as fact, the wolves figured that'd be enough to get you lynched instead of one of their boys.

[Greyroofoo]

i dunno if anyone believes me at the this point,

nfg22 contacted me on day 2 and claimed to have also contacted oliegirl. He also says she says that she had the same power was "assigned" nfg22 and CR.

[The Jackal]

i dunno if anyone believes me at the this point,

nfg22 contacted me on day 2 and claimed to have also contacted oliegirl. He also says she says that she had the same power was "assigned" nfg22 and CR.

The point of this NFG thing is that we kind of do believe you, because it looks like NFG was trying to set you up.

However, it could've been a play to try and alienate the two of you so that there wouldn't be much suspicion on you when he dies. But I'm just covering all the bases.

[Greyroofoo]

vote nfg22 since i probably won't be around for the lynch deadline tomorrow

[Greyroofoo]

plus i'm pissed he outed me

[Lathum]

plus i'm pissed he outed me

actualy AlanT outed you.

[Alan T]

actualy AlanT outed you.

Technically I only outed him if he isn't Sylar and I was right on my guess.. Hoops might have been correct in which case I didn't out anything :) Or... if NFG really did out him, then that would mean he is Sylar :)

Anyways, looks like I'm still here for another 10-15 minutes due to work stuff, not that much is going on right now.

[Greyroofoo]

ok...Ill throw it out there...

Basically I am the Parkman dad. I never watched the show, I just wikipediad it. As my power I got to pick two peeps to PM. I picked Grey and Oliegirl. Randomly based on the numbers for which they signed up.

It just happens Oliegirl was connected to CR. I knew this because Olie told me.

Now it gets interesting. GRF. He claims to me to have the power to kill one person that votes for him. This to me sounds very much like the Sylar. He also is acting quite suspicious in PM.

There now I am clean and am hiding nothing. I will answer any and all questions...

well this is the post i was referring to with nfg "outing" me.

Note though that I am not Sylar :)

[hoopsguy]

Easy vote, given the risk/reward.

VOTE NFG22

[hoopsguy]

No kill - seriously, what is Sylar doing?

Possibilities:
Company hit Sylar last night?
Sylar is on his on/off day and was the Day 2 killer?
Conversion?

I'm up for other suggestions.

FWIW, I can't envision Sylar having a conversion ability ... Company, absolutely, but Sylar is a soloist.

[The Jackal]

well this is the post i was referring to with nfg "outing" me.

Note though that I am not Sylar :)

Thank you, that was the post I was looking for.

[Lathum]

Thank you, that was the post I was looking for.

what do you mean by that?

[Passacaglia]

I can't resist...and hell, I'm the GM anyhow...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/jeheinz72/10618.jpg

Juicy.

[Barkeep49]

well.. this is alot less anti-climatic now considering the reveal and all.. Out until later tonight.

I know someone else mentioned it earlier today.. I wonder if its time to bring back up the discussion regarding full role reveals to try to nail Sylar at this point.

Since several think I'm Sylar I'll reveal that I'm Daniel Linderman. If the Company wants to take me out, so be it.

[RendeR]

No kill - seriously, what is Sylar doing?

Possibilities:
Company hit Sylar last night?
Sylar is on his on/off day and was the Day 2 killer?
Conversion?

I'm up for other suggestions.

FWIW, I can't envision Sylar having a conversion ability ... Company, absolutely, but Sylar is a soloist.

I think te most obvious thing is being missed here.

Since sylar apparently sizes up his targets, why couldn't he be barred from killing until say, day 4 or even later?

Just a thought, but perhaps he hasn't done anything yet is because Heiney made his role that way?

[hoopsguy]

Because Sylar has to be able to live that long in a game with two factions gunning for him. I have a hard time buying this.

[hoopsguy]

Since several think I'm Sylar I'll reveal that I'm Daniel Linderman. If the Company wants to take me out, so be it.

So what have you done with the role up to this point?

[RendeR]

Because Sylar has to be able to live that long in a game with two factions gunning for him. I have a hard time buying this.

He's a lone role with no help, and can't be night killed, so the company is zero threat to him.

I don't see how he is truly threatened unless he makes a serious mistake. If he keeps his mouth shut it takes a seer type to nail him at all. Surviving the whole game by going UTR would be a real easy thing to do for sylar.

[The Jackal]

what do you mean by that?

I was looking for the post NFG had made about his connections to olie/GRF, and GRF found it.

[RendeR]

Hrm, 19 players left. I'm assuming at least 2 company men left + sylar. leaving 16 heroes.

If we can build a CoT of at least say...7 we should be able to control the voting every day from here on out.

I have a group that I trust at this point. I think if we can build up a list I'd be willing to agree with a full disclosure movement, I think at this point we have the numbers to manage it.

[The Jackal]

Hrm, 19 players left. I'm assuming at least 2 company men left + sylar. leaving 16 heroes.

If we can build a CoT of at least say...7 we should be able to control the voting every day from here on out.

I have a group that I trust at this point. I think if we can build up a list I'd be willing to agree with a full disclosure movement, I think at this point we have the numbers to manage it.

We need to have a lot of people agree to full disclosure to make sure it isn't engineered by the remaining wolves.

[RendeR]

We need to have a lot of people agree to full disclosure to make sure it isn't engineered by the remaining wolves.


Definitely. It would have to be damn near an all or nothing I think, but it really depends. If the right group of people that know one another could step up, then it could happen.

perhaps monday.

[DaddyTorgo]

long damn day

[The Jackal]

long damn day

You've been so quiet I forgot you were in the game! :D

I hate those long days, and I never want to try and read through 5-10 pages after 10-12 hours of work.

[DaddyTorgo]

You've been so quiet I forgot you were in the game! :D

I hate those long days, and I never want to try and read through 5-10 pages after 10-12 hours of work.

yeah. Had a 2 hour meeting this morning and a conference call in the afternoon, and work to do around it (boss cracking the whip) and TBH I woke up wayyyyyyy on the wrong side of the bed so I wasn't really feeling much like trying to skulk around and post while I should be working and getting caught and having to snap at my boss, etc.

[The Jackal]

yeah. Had a 2 hour meeting this morning and a conference call in the afternoon, and work to do around it (boss cracking the whip) and TBH I woke up wayyyyyyy on the wrong side of the bed so I wasn't really feeling much like trying to skulk around and post while I should be working and getting caught and having to snap at my boss, etc.

well, good thing it was a runaway day then

[DaddyTorgo]

well, good thing it was a runaway day then

yeah. Works out nicely for me.

well, seems like there's one way to go...hopefully we nail a dirty wolf and make this game even more comfortable.



VOTE NFG

[Alan T]

Hrm, 19 players left. I'm assuming at least 2 company men left + sylar. leaving 16 heroes.

If we can build a CoT of at least say...7 we should be able to control the voting every day from here on out.

I have a group that I trust at this point. I think if we can build up a list I'd be willing to agree with a full disclosure movement, I think at this point we have the numbers to manage it.

Well, the reason I brought it up earlier this afternoon is that I was pretty against a role reveal early in the game because of a few reasons.. I didn't want the company and Sylar knowing who was whom.. but I also didn't see a role reveal helping vs the company.. its only really useful vs Sylar.

now that we've nailed two company members, and appear to be on our way to #3, I feel we're on a good pace with the company right now.. and perhaps we should narrow the noose a bit around Sylar's neck.

The other reason I changed my mind at this point is right now we know of a good number of people whom have revealed and several others (myself included) whom everyone has a pretty good idea of what type of action we have. I'm thinking that this seems like the point I was talking about earlier in the game where mass reveals does start to make sense. If anything it would force Sylar to either do a fake reveal and risk guessing a character that someone else has.. or it traps him without a role to claim.

So it sounds like you're on board with it.. I'm interested to see who else might be.

[The Jackal]

I'm on board as long as we get most people to agree, Monday seems like a good aim, though we should see what happens at night first.

[Alan T]

So what have you done with the role up to this point?

Good question to ask here. In the show Linderman was a company guy, and his power is one that I can't really figure out how it would be useful for this game.. So I'll work with the assumption that Linderman isn't bad in this game somehow, but I still am not sure how his power would work in a game like this.

So I'll second Hoops' question here as I'm interested as well.

[Alan T]

We currently have either role name or role information on 10 players and only have 9 players whom we know nothing about. So over 50% are somewhat revealed already anyways.

Some other notes.. we still don't know who has the power of persuasion.. that is out there somewhere.

Mauboy couldn't have killed ntndeacon, but we know little else about him.
Sndvls, Hoopsguy and Alan T couldn't have killed oliegirl.

As far as I know, we know nothing about the following people , their roles or actions:

Claphasma
The Jackal
Render
path12
DaddyTorgo
Mauboy
Neon Chaos
Narcizo
Mr. Wednesday

[Barkeep49]

Good question to ask here. In the show Linderman was a company guy, and his power is one that I can't really figure out how it would be useful for this game.. So I'll work with the assumption that Linderman isn't bad in this game somehow, but I still am not sure how his power would work in a game like this.

So I'll second Hoops' question here as I'm interested as well.
Well as I stated at the start of the game I don't think his power matches up well with the show. Basically I am a less than 100% BG. I receive no information about who I've protected.

Night 1 - No protection (I forgot we were back to a 24 hour cycle and didn't submit an order)
Night 2 - Protected myself
Night 3 - Don't want to say at this point

[Alan T]

I have a question.. it seems like we have a million people with spy actions...

Thomkal, Sndvls, Schmidty, Alan T.. we also have Lathum who can read people's last PM..

Just from the people whom we do know stuff about, we should be able to fill in more holes here.. Unfortunatly my night 1 information isnt very useful.. and Jeheinz actually changed how my role worked between day 1 and day 2. You'll have to trust me there, and we'll discuss how that was changed later. Basically though my day 1 spy was on Ntn as well, and I just found him deep in thought, when I realized he was dead.

Night 1:

Thomkal spied on Ntndeacon, saw him die nothing else
Sndvls spied on ?
Alan T spied on Ntndeacon, saw him dead.
Schmidty spied on ?
Lathum read whom's PM?


night 2:

Thomkal used his other un-named ability last night
Sndvls spied on Alan T
Alan T spied on Hoopsguy
Schmidty spied on ??
Lathum read whom's PM?

Night 3:

Thomkal spied on ?
Sndvls spied on ?
Alan T spied on Schmidty
Schmidty spied on lathum
Lathum read nfg's PM

If people can help fill this in, it would be great.

[Alan T]

Well as I stated at the start of the game I don't think his power matches up well with the show. Basically I am a less than 100% BG. I receive no information about who I've protected.

Night 1 - No protection (I forgot we were back to a 24 hour cycle and didn't submit an order)
Night 2 - Protected myself
Night 3 - Don't want to say at this point

You receive no information about whom you protected in the sense of what they did, or whether you were successful? Ie: if you had blocked someone last night, would you have known it?

[Lathum]

Alan, my ability to read pm's is every other night

[Barkeep49]

You receive no information about whom you protected in the sense of what they did, or whether you were successful? Ie: if you had blocked someone last night, would you have known it?
I haven't been successful yet so I can't answer what happens if they attack someone who I'm guarding. However, I've received no info on the people I've guarded so far.

[Alan T]

Alan, my ability to read pm's is every other night

Do you have any info about night 1?

[Lathum]

Thanks for putting that together, hoops. Very helpful. My thoughts:

1) The only Ardent vote I think could have been a wolf not able to switch is cronin's.
2) DT's and Barkeep's votes are interesting. In two votes it went from a 3 way tie to a 5 way tie (well, four and no lynch). That might be a careful route to try and save a fellow wolf, put more candidates at the top. DT in particular is the one that seems most wolfish to me, I feel that way about him a lot though. But I can totally see Barkeep coming up with an idea like putting more people in the mix and hope percentages break for you, and frankly I thought Lathum's callout of BK seeming to know a lot about Sylar was a pretty good one.

People I feel better about: SnDvls, Alan T, Neon Chaos, The Jackal
People I feel less good about: DaddyTorgo, Barkeep49, Greyroofoo, Mr. Wednesday, st.cronin.

VOTE BARKEEP49

Now off to beautiful Milwaukee. Talk to you tomorrow night. Don't lynch me.

Is it possible Path is sylar and had an order in to kill Cronin?

[Greyroofoo]

I have a question.. it seems like we have a million people with spy actions...

Thomkal, Sndvls, Schmidty, Alan T.. we also have Lathum who can read people's last PM..

Just from the people whom we do know stuff about, we should be able to fill in more holes here.. Unfortunatly my night 1 information isnt very useful.. and Jeheinz actually changed how my role worked between day 1 and day 2. You'll have to trust me there, and we'll discuss how that was changed later. Basically though my day 1 spy was on Ntn as well, and I just found him deep in thought, when I realized he was dead.

Night 1:

Thomkal spied on Ntndeacon, saw him die nothing else
Sndvls spied on ?
Alan T spied on Ntndeacon, saw him dead.
Schmidty spied on ?
Lathum read whom's PM?


night 2:

Thomkal used his other un-named ability last night
Sndvls spied on Alan T
Alan T spied on Hoopsguy
Schmidty spied on ??
Lathum read whom's PM?

Night 3:

Thomkal spied on ?
Sndvls spied on ?
Alan T spied on Schmidty
Schmidty spied on lathum
Lathum read nfg's PM

If people can help fill this in, it would be great.

As per post 1203, Thomkal says he tried to spy on me but was blocked.

[Thomkal]

Alan,

I mentioned earlier today I spied on Grey and got what sounds like a similar "ad" if not the exact one that you did earlier.

[SnDvls]

I trailed Mauboy on night 1 I said this in my reveal post

[Lathum]

Do you have any info about night 1?

I know you tailed someone...

[hoopsguy]

For what it is worth, Path indicated earlier that he had a non-hero role that is a hero in this format. I checked him out last night to see if he was HRG, since he was the most direct person in suggesting he had a non-good role (per show). But he is not HRG.

Still two more people that are alive and kicking that I scoped as well, neither of which are HRG. I'll discuss if people want to go down that path ... I don't think someone is going to fake-reveal as a role that is pretty clearly in the game so I'm not sure how much advantage there is to holding onto this info.

I know it isn't as good as some of the other spy info, but figured I would share what I've learned from my actions.

[path12]

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me.

Unvote RendeR
Vote Thomkal


Neon, just for the record, I believe the scenario you detailed about RendeR was probably just a random thing. I say that because I was typing up my vote while RendeR had posted his. I thought I was the first vote on you. Of course, as it turns out you gained trust from me from Ardent.

I claim no knowledge of RendeR's thoughts, but those were mine.

[RendeR]

RendeR has had a long day. RendeR worked out....numerous...times..today. RendeR has no thoughts....

[Chief Rum]

CR can you confirm that you have no other powers? I don't. I was able to choose two people. I know CR said his were assigned.

No powers I am aware of, although jeheinz hinted I might acquire more as the game goes on.

[path12]

Night Three Results

Man, that whole thing with the Doc was crazy. But in the end, you're happy that another Company worker is dead. You sleep pretty well, get up, and make some eggs. Nothing much on TV, just some sports news and election coverage. Must be a slow day around the world...

Day/Night 4 has begun, voting and night action deadline is 1 PM EST on Friday, 3/7.


I learned that if someone sweeps you off your feet it is not always a good thing. Especially if they fly........but surprise!

[Chief Rum]

Now that I'm thinking about my above post, I'm just confusing myself even more. If you could lay out the exact situation between you/olie/nfg/grf for us again, CR, that would be helpful.

Or if someone else remembers what they had said, that works too. I guess I could go and look for quotes..

I'll set it out as a timeline. This is across the first two days. I don't think the exact timing matters, just the order.

1- I get my PM telling me I am Matt Parkman and can communicate with one other person, oliegirl, who is West Rosen. I send her a PM to say hello.
2- She gets back to me and asks me if I know anything about the show I can pass to her.
3- Having read about West Rosen in the thread, I ask olie about her abilities and if flight is one of them.
4- Her last PM to me confirmed her ability (flight, helping her spy and hiding from being spied), and that she could also PM with nfg. She said nfg told her he could also speak with GRF, and that his ability was communicating with two people, whom he could choose (by comparison, I don't get to choose). So olie's PM ability with nfg was chosen by him, not her original ability. And jeheinz said my ability to communicate with West Rosen was preset in my character set (for some reason). She also tells me what she did with her power on N1 and what she intended to do N2.

olie is night killed

5- As olie is dead, I receive a new mental connection, a person I have not yet (nor intend to) reveal.

Everything else is public. Shortly after discovering olie's death and my new connection, nfg came out with his posts, seeking my backing. I confirmed what he said that I could confirm (I was not privy to his GRF suspicions, so that is on him).

[path12]

No kill - seriously, what is Sylar doing?

Possibilities:
Company hit Sylar last night?
Sylar is on his on/off day and was the Day 2 killer?
Conversion?

I'm up for other suggestions.

FWIW, I can't envision Sylar having a conversion ability ... Company, absolutely, but Sylar is a soloist.

I can think of one other reason for sure. I'm hoping to find some verification as I catch up.

[Chief Rum]

i dunno if anyone believes me at the this point,

nfg22 contacted me on day 2 and claimed to have also contacted oliegirl. He also says she says that she had the same power was "assigned" nfg22 and CR.

Don't know if nfg misunderstood, but what I understand is that olie was chosen by nfg, and that's why she had that power (it was actually his power). Her ability to communicate with me seems to be all from my power. So oliegirl was some sort of non-telepathic mental intersection, and that's it.

[path12]

For what it is worth, Path indicated earlier that he had a non-hero role that is a hero in this format. I checked him out last night to see if he was HRG, since he was the most direct person in suggesting he had a non-good role (per show). But he is not HRG.


Did you see anyone around me? Anything like that?

[path12]

4- Her last PM to me confirmed her ability (flight, helping her spy and hiding from being spied), and that she could also PM with nfg.

OK, this pretty much tells me that Sylar tried to kill me last night. I was blinded, lifted high in the air and dropped. Fortunately, I get one free survival on an attempt on my life (I am Adam Monroe), and have an decent but decreasing ability to survive further attempts.

So as I was catching up I was trying to get a sense of who might be able to fly. But if Sylar steals powers from those he kills, and Oliegirl could fly, and there was no kill last night.........I think it ties together nicely.

[path12]

I'll get a vote in. I won't be around tomorrow again.

VOTE NFG22

[Chief Rum]

OK, this pretty much tells me that Sylar tried to kill me last night. I was blinded, lifted high in the air and dropped. Fortunately, I get one free survival on an attempt on my life (I am Adam Monroe), and have an decent but decreasing ability to survive further attempts.

So as I was catching up I was trying to get a sense of who might be able to fly. But if Sylar steals powers from those he kills, and Oliegirl could fly, and there was no kill last night.........I think it ties together nicely.

Hmm, interesting theory. Not sure if it all fits, though. oliegirl said her ability was only for spying or hiding. I guess Sylar could combine a kill ability he already has with her flight ability, though (it's possible, although I don't know it's a leap I would necessariyl make without further cooberative evidence).

[nfg22]

Yall are stoopid. GRF is Sylar...serious...Also. How would Lathum get my PM to someone else? Ask GRF if any of my PM's were CCed?

[nfg22]

oops...name calling..I take the first part back. Sorrry...

[Narcizo]

Not quite the elaborate defence I had been looking forward to. Once again, if Grey is Sylar why did he tell you his power? The only way I could see anything suspicious in the whole thing is if he lied about his power if he wanted to scare you off voting for him. I'm a bit troubled by the cc business as I pointed out. But not troubled enough not to vote for you.

I'm open to revealing my name later today or on Monday.

[Neon_Chaos]

Seems like an easy enough vote, considering his defense was less than convincing.

Vote nfg

I also would be open to revealing my name later.

[Chief Rum]

I have my concerns for this runaway and how it's come about, because I'm not sure about all of our sources on this.

That said, Occam's Razor states nfg is not a goodie. It would take a conspiracy of some size to get us to this point without it being true.

VOTE NFG

I'll be out all day again until tomorrow night, and since it's Friday night, I probably won't be back early.

[Narcizo]

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/STEPHE%7E1.CLA/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.jpg

:D

[Narcizo]

OK, this pretty much tells me that Sylar tried to kill me last night. I was blinded, lifted high in the air and dropped. Fortunately, I get one free survival on an attempt on my life (I am Adam Monroe), and have an decent but decreasing ability to survive further attempts.

So as I was catching up I was trying to get a sense of who might be able to fly. But if Sylar steals powers from those he kills, and Oliegirl could fly, and there was no kill last night.........I think it ties together nicely.

There are other options. Nathan Petrelli could be company and could have tried to kill you. Peter Petrelli could be company and leeched someone else's flight power and tried to kill you. You wouldn't have thought that Sylar would want to drop someone as it would mash their brains, but then again I guess it's time to move away from any assumptions about Sylar's abilities or modus operandi.

[Thomkal]

I'll set it out as a timeline. This is across the first two days. I don't think the exact timing matters, just the order.

1- I get my PM telling me I am Matt Parkman and can communicate with one other person, oliegirl, who is West Rosen. I send her a PM to say hello.
2- She gets back to me and asks me if I know anything about the show I can pass to her.
3- Having read about West Rosen in the thread, I ask olie about her abilities and if flight is one of them.
4- Her last PM to me confirmed her ability (flight, helping her spy and hiding from being spied), and that she could also PM with nfg. She said nfg told her he could also speak with GRF, and that his ability was communicating with two people, whom he could choose (by comparison, I don't get to choose). So olie's PM ability with nfg was chosen by him, not her original ability. And jeheinz said my ability to communicate with West Rosen was preset in my character set (for some reason). She also tells me what she did with her power on N1 and what she intended to do N2.

olie is night killed

5- As olie is dead, I receive a new mental connection, a person I have not yet (nor intend to) reveal.

Everything else is public. Shortly after discovering olie's death and my new connection, nfg came out with his posts, seeking my backing. I confirmed what he said that I could confirm (I was not privy to his GRF suspicions, so that is on him).

Hey Chief Rum,

When you check back in, can you tell us what she did with her power on N1 and intended to do on N2? It may give us some clue on her killer.

[hoopsguy]

Did you see anyone around me? Anything like that?

No, all I get is "(PlayerX) is not Noah Bennet" - nothing else about who they are, their faction, their powers, or interactions with others.

[Narcizo]

756 - Alan votes Cronin (1-0)
789 - Render votes Jackal (1-1)
805 - Jackal votes Thomkal (1-1-1)
819 - Cronin votes Schmidty (1-1-1-1)
856 - Neon votes Render (1-1-1-1-1)
859 - path votes Barkeep (1-1-1-1-1-1)
862 - Jackal unvotes Thomkal, votes Grey (1-1-1-1-1-1)
893 - Schmidty votes Cronin (2-1-1-1-1-1) Cronin leads
911 - Chief votes Grey (2-2-1-1-1-1) Grey/Cronin tie
912 - Wednesday votes mauboy (2-2-1-1-1-1-1)
942 - Barkeep votes Wednesday (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1)
955 - Neon unvotes Render, votes Thomkal (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1)
971 - SnDvls votes Barkeep (2-2-2-1-1-1-1-1) Grey/Cronin/Barkeep tie
977 - DT votes Wednesday (2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1) Grey/Cronin/BK/Wed tie
990 - Clap votes nfg (2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1-1)
1010 - Render unvotes Jackal, votes Grey (3-2-2-2-1-1-1-1) Grey in lead
1014 - Narc votes Cronin (3-3-2-2-1-1-1-1) Grey/Cronin tie
1037 - hoops votes Thomkal (3-3-2-2-2-1-1-1) moves Thomkal in tie with BK and Wed, one back from lead
1039 - Neon unvotes Thomkal, votes Cronin (4-3-2-2-1-1-1-1)
1042 - Neon unvotes Cronin, votes Thomkal (3-3-2-2-2-1-1-1)
1043 - Clap unvotes ngf, votes Thomkal (3-3-3-2-2-1-1) moves Thomkal into tie at top with Cronin and Grey
1044 - Lathum votes Barkeep (3-3-3-3-2-1-1) makes 4 way tie at the top
1057 - Thomkal votes Cronin (4-3-3-3-2-1-1) Puts Cronin at the top
1064 - Wednesday unvotes mau, votes Grey (4-4-3-3-2-1) Ties Grey up with Cronin
1072 - Grey votes Cronin (5-4-3-3-2-1) Cronin in the lead again
1087 - Clap unvotes Thomkal, votes Cronin (6-4-3-2-2-1)
1096 - Hoops unvotes Thomkal (6-4-3-2-1-1)
1098 - Neon unvotes Thomkal (6-4-3-2-1) Thomkal now has no votes
1102 - Hoops votes Wednesday (6-4-3-3-1) Ties wed up with BK 3 off of Cronin
1103 - nfg votes Cronin (7-4-3-3-1) Cronin up by three
1106 - mau votes Wednesday (7-4-4-3-1) Wed/grey three off of Cronin
1109 - SnDvls unvotes Barkeep, votes Cronin (8-4-4-2-1)
1129 - Wednesday unvotes Grey, votes Cronin (9-4-3-2-1)
1130 - Grey unvotes Cronin, votes Wednesday (8-5-3-2-1)
1143 - Neon votes Cronin (9-5-3-2-1)

[Alan T]

I hate slow days without much going on :) Think I'll try to work out a list of whom I actually trust and don't trust soon.. We should keep in mind there is no weekend game play, so I'm pretty sure alot of people will disappear shortly after deadline today and not come back until some point Monday.

I think if we want any valuable discussion before Monday's 1pm deadline, we might want to have some of it today. I know I usually am fairly busy on monday mornings myself at least!

I'm working under the assumption that NFG is company. I felt he was before Lathum's reveal.. Lathum revealing just seems to make it even more likely, there really is very little possibility that Lathum would do a fake reveal like that at this point.

I'm also thinking if we do a mass reveal we should do it today.. there are only 8 people left without any kind of information.. and I need some direction on what to do with my spy ability tonight I think.

[Alan T]

Night 1:

Thomkal spied on Ntndeacon, saw him die nothing else
Sndvls spied on mauboy
Alan T spied on Ntndeacon, saw him dead.
Schmidty spied on ?
Lathum read Alan's PM learned he tailed someone


night 2:

Thomkal used his other un-named ability last night
Sndvls spied on Alan T
Alan T spied on Hoopsguy
Schmidty spied on ??
Lathum supposedly had no read PM action

Night 3:

Thomkal attempted to spy on Grey but was blocked by advertisement
Sndvls spied on ?
Alan T spied on Schmidty
Schmidty spied on lathum
Lathum read nfg's PM
Path states he was attacked by flying man (possibly Sylar)

[Alan T]

I'll go ahead and fully reveal, just so people can get a name out there. I was hesitant in revealing previously because I wasn't sure how Sylar's ability worked, or needed to work.. if he needed to figure out where someone was to kill them or what.. As the game has progressed my ability was modified by jeheinz to the point that I don't think there is much different between me and evidentally several other people's powers.

I am Molly Walker. Initially I was told that I would be able to think about someone, locate them on the map and get a partial glimpse to their surroundings to see them and what happened to them. My first night I was told I concentrated on the map and was told Ntndeacon was in Coral Gables, Florida and I saw him thinking.. then realized he wasn't thinking but instead dead.

Night two I received a viagra ad, but Sndvls' description of following me follow someone troubled me since well my role isn't supposed to do that, so I asked Jeheinz about it and he told me that it was a bit difficult to get the whole map thing in, so my role was modified to basically be the standard witness/spy role.. and thus on night 3 I simply followed Schmidty as I mentioned.

Since my power at this point seems replicable by 3-4 people I don't think that I'm really a high priority kill other than just plain revenge at this point.

[Narcizo]

Basically did that to avoid complacency as it all seems to be going too easy. With all the spying and kill avoids that the heroes can do I'm starting to wonder whether there were 5 wolves to start with or if they've got some nasty powers we haven't thought about. It's also easier to do the vote thingy today than Monday.

Things get interesting around 1000 when Render pushes Grey out into the lead. At the time I was strongly considering voting Thomkal but realised he only had one vote and didn't want to cause a fustercluck™. Anyway, this will be my analysis based solely on these results, without considering what day two vote analysis told us.

1) If you buy the wolves trying to centre a vote around Grey, as Lathum is implying then you've got to be suspicious of Grey votes. That would be Jackal, Chief, Render and Wednesday. Wednesday's switch at 1064 tied up the vote between Grey and Cronin, and he only really deserted the sinking ship when it was obvious that Cronin was going down. Of the four his actions certainly look the most suspect.

2) Hoops voting looks questionable. Having heard my reasoning that I didn't want to vote for Thomkal and create a big tied race he went ahead and voted Thomkal. Now he knew that I was planning a vote on Thomkal and as I was still logged on (although I was not around) he may have thought that I might switch from Cronin to Thomkal. Had I done so, that would have put Cronin one behind with a Grey/Thomkal tie at the top. I think it's fair to say that that could have changed the entire vote dynamic as Thom might have voted Grey rather than Cronin. After Thom's reveal he takes his vote off and sits on it. However in his defence he doesn't put his vote on Grey later on who was really the only viable anti-Cronin option at the time. Overall I have to say that hoops' moves here look pretty suspect though.

3) I'm afraid that nfg's vote really doesn't fit in with a picture of him being a wolf. He'd already established the anti-Grey line so why vote for Cronin when the voting is 6-4 Cronin-Grey. Obviously he might fear a retaliatory strike by Grey so he washed his hands of Cronin and tried to get capital by the vote. Just seems a bit too early to give up the fight for Cronin to me. It's hard to say, but I guess the inevitable vote tonight will tell us.

4) Barkeep seemed to be acting in much the same way as Cronin was during the Ardent vote. Maybe this is for Ardent reasons but the episode 1120-23 where Barkeep encourages Neon and mau not to vote Cronin and to vote Wednesday raises a few eyebrows. However, I think that that's really too obvious a ploy by a wolf and I would be surprised if BK is a wolf.

5) Clap looks good for switching to Cronin rather than Grey when Cronin was only one in the lead. I look good for voting Cronin :) Thomkal looks good for voting Cronin when there was a tie and he could have pushed Grey instead. Most of these only work if Grey isn't a wolf though, of course.

Overall, based solely on these votes I'm more suspicious of hoops and Wednesday. I'm more inclined to trust Clap, Thomkal and nfg.

[Narcizo]

Looking back on the day two voting we need to have a long look at Wednesday.

[Alan T]

3) I'm afraid that nfg's vote really doesn't fit in with a picture of him being a wolf. He'd already established the anti-Grey line so why vote for Cronin when the voting is 6-4 Cronin-Grey. Obviously he might fear a retaliatory strike by Grey so he washed his hands of Cronin and tried to get capital by the vote. Just seems a bit too early to give up the fight for Cronin to me. It's hard to say, but I guess the inevitable vote tonight will tell us.



Perhaps it was a little different watching it all unfold in Real time, but NFG was around for quite a while pushing people to vote Grey.. He waited and waited and waited though. He only voted Cronin once pretty much the people around who could possibly save Cronin seemed exhausted votewise. My impression of NFG's vote is that he wanted to save Cronin, but couldn't get enough traction from other people to vote elsewhere and gave up voting Cronin because he didn't want to be killed by Grey, if his power claim was really true (as it appears Grey and NFG didn't really care too much for each other, I could see Grey offing NFG)

[path12]

There are other options. Nathan Petrelli could be company and could have tried to kill you. Peter Petrelli could be company and leeched someone else's flight power and tried to kill you. You wouldn't have thought that Sylar would want to drop someone as it would mash their brains, but then again I guess it's time to move away from any assumptions about Sylar's abilities or modus operandi.

It certainly could have been someone else with that ability or the power to steal an ability. This is where my ignorance of the show comes in. I defer to the folks who know the characters better than I, and will just amend my story to say that someone who is bad either has or had the ability to fly last night (since I can't come up with another scenario for being lifted high and dropped).

[Alan T]

It certainly could have been someone else with that ability or the power to steal an ability. This is where my ignorance of the show comes in. I defer to the folks who know the characters better than I, and will just amend my story to say that someone who is bad either has or had the ability to fly last night (since I can't come up with another scenario for being lifted high and dropped).

Well, the two scenerios I see are:

1) Sylar was the night 2 kill of oliegirl, then stole her power and used it to try to kill you. If that is the case why didn't he kill night 1? What was he doing then? Also what was up with the Company on night 2, why did they not kill? Did they have multiple conversions, or multiple missed kills or combination of the two or what? Alot of questions here.

2) Someone with flying ability in this game has it as an assassin type power.. Where they can do exactly what they did to you. I personally probably wouldn't have chosen you, but I don't necessarily think someone targeting you makes them bad.. as at least in my book up till now I knew so little about you and still pretty much have you in my neutral list as far as trust goes. Just like I play on hunches alot, I'm sure others do too and perhaps something you did or said tipped them off to want to try out their hunch on you.

I think if/when more people reveal/get revealed we will be able to piece this together a bit better

[Alan T]

Dola, and as Narcizo listed possible people who could have the ability, I wouldn't be suprised to see a Nathan Petrelli as a good guy with an assassin type power.. but its all just speculation for now.

[Narcizo]

The attack on you certainly gives us another reason for revealing as I'd be very interested in hearing if someone is a character you'd expect to be able to fly (ie. a Petrelli).

I'm Nikki Sanders. I'll hold onto what my powers are for the time being. But they don't include the ability to fly.

[Alan T]

The attack on you certainly gives us another reason for revealing as I'd be very interested in hearing if someone is a character you'd expect to be able to fly (ie. a Petrelli).

I'm Nikki Sanders. I'll hold onto what my powers are for the time being. But they don't include the ability to fly.


Are you taking your medication? :)

[Lathum]

I would think it very possible for Adam Monroe to be sylar

[SnDvls]

Well, the two scenerios I see are:

1) Sylar was the night 2 kill of oliegirl, then stole her power and used it to try to kill you. If that is the case why didn't he kill night 1? What was he doing then? Also what was up with the Company on night 2, why did they not kill? Did they have multiple conversions, or multiple missed kills or combination of the two or what? Alot of questions here.

2) Someone with flying ability in this game has it as an assassin type power.. Where they can do exactly what they did to you. I personally probably wouldn't have chosen you, but I don't necessarily think someone targeting you makes them bad.. as at least in my book up till now I knew so little about you and still pretty much have you in my neutral list as far as trust goes. Just like I play on hunches alot, I'm sure others do too and perhaps something you did or said tipped them off to want to try out their hunch on you.

I think if/when more people reveal/get revealed we will be able to piece this together a bit better

I guess I'll take Alan's approach....why isn't anyone listening to me!!!

did it ever occur to you that the Company and Sylar alternate night kills?

[jeheinz72]

Does anyone need a current vote count? I'd be happy to...but, well...

The main thing is making sure you vote. No vote = no night action.

[Narcizo]

Does anyone need a current vote count? I'd be happy to...but, well...

The main thing is making sure you vote. No vote = no night action.

I'm guessing, given the circumstances, that no-one's really bothered to keep track.

Anyroad, currently without a name claim as far as I can see we have

Claphamsa
The Jackal
Render
Greyroofoo
DaddyTorgo
Mauboy1
Schmidty
Neon Chaos
Mr Wednesday

[DaddyTorgo]

There are other options. Nathan Petrelli could be company and could have tried to kill you. Peter Petrelli could be company and leeched someone else's flight power and tried to kill you. You wouldn't have thought that Sylar would want to drop someone as it would mash their brains, but then again I guess it's time to move away from any assumptions about Sylar's abilities or modus operandi.

I'm not company, but I can fly.

[DaddyTorgo]

Dola, and as Narcizo listed possible people who could have the ability, I wouldn't be suprised to see a Nathan Petrelli as a good guy with an assassin type power.. but its all just speculation for now.

geez...could you out my role anymore? you've been onto it since day 1.

has made me really wonder about you this game, that's why I was engaging with you early.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes, I'm Nathan P. And I can fly! WOOHOOO! SUPER AWESOME!!

I have 2 types of power

1) An ardent-esque "passive" power - I can fly away if attacked by Sylar/Company (random chance of success based on die roll - decreases each time though).
2) A one-time kill which strips me of that ability to fly - haven't used it yet and I'm holding onto it. I've seen before how useful these things can be late in games to end things or swing the game in our favor, should we for some reason get in trouble.

[mauchow]

vote nfg

I thought I already voted, but here I go again.

[hoopsguy]

Clap - unknown
Hoops - Claire Bennet
The Jackal - unknown
nfg22 - Maury Parkman
RendeR - unknown
Thomkal - DL Hawkins
Lathum - Micah Sanders
path12 - Adam Monroe
Greyroofoo - unknown (some speculation based on powers)
SnDvls - Ando Masahashi
DaddyTorgo - Nathan Petrelli
mauboy1 - unknown
Schmidty - unknown
Neon Chaos - unknown
Chief Rum - Matt Parkman
Barkeep49 - Daniel Linderman
Mr. Wednesday - unknown
Alan T - Molly Walker

[Narcizo]

I would think it very possible for Adam Monroe to be sylar

There will be a good amount more names than players, but he won't be told a name that isn't in the game.

Maybe we should try and clear this up once and for all. Heinz does this mean that Sylar won't be given a fake name?

[hoopsguy]

I accept that people should have some concerns over my voting record so far this game. That said, my role has been out there for one day. I'm a frequent scan target early in games. People have had, and will continue to have, opportunities to scan me. The cunning wolf (Ardent) is out of the game. I've got perhaps the most prominent character on the show, which has been uncontested.

Also, HRG found me last night so I'm down to seven unknowns. I'm willing to have some discussions about this as people see fit, although I'm not initially inclined to out him if he doesn't want to come public himself.

[Thomkal]

I hate slow days without much going on :) Think I'll try to work out a list of whom I actually trust and don't trust soon.. We should keep in mind there is no weekend game play, so I'm pretty sure alot of people will disappear shortly after deadline today and not come back until some point Monday.

I think if we want any valuable discussion before Monday's 1pm deadline, we might want to have some of it today. I know I usually am fairly busy on monday mornings myself at least!

I'm working under the assumption that NFG is company. I felt he was before Lathum's reveal.. Lathum revealing just seems to make it even more likely, there really is very little possibility that Lathum would do a fake reveal like that at this point.

I'm also thinking if we do a mass reveal we should do it today.. there are only 8 people left without any kind of information.. and I need some direction on what to do with my spy ability tonight I think.

I agree that its time to do a mass reveal today. We won't have a lot of time to digest it all on Monday before the deadline, so this way we'll have something to talk about over the weekend.

[Narcizo]

Not feeling any love from hoops. :(

[jeheinz72]

The only name Sylar is given is Sylar.

[hoopsguy]

Not feeling any love from hoops. :(

I'm not sure I follow. What kind of statement are you looking to get from me in regards to my role/allegiance/intentions in the game?

I haven't voted well. Guilty as charged. I'm happy to discuss my thought process during both votes if that is something you would like to dig into a little bit further.

[Thomkal]

The attack on you certainly gives us another reason for revealing as I'd be very interested in hearing if someone is a character you'd expect to be able to fly (ie. a Petrelli).

I'm Nikki Sanders. I'll hold onto what my powers are for the time being. But they don't include the ability to fly.

Hello wife! (DL is Nikki's husband on the show)

[Narcizo]

I'm not sure I follow. What kind of statement are you looking to get from me in regards to my role/allegiance/intentions in the game?

I haven't voted well. Guilty as charged. I'm happy to discuss my thought process during both votes if that is something you would like to dig into a little bit further.

Callously excluding me from your list.

Sorry for being oblique, I should have quoted but I didn't want to quote the whole list again and take up a bunch more space.

[hoopsguy]

Oops - I didn't do a cut/paste form post #1, but was just reading through them and pulling out the dead folks.

Or could it have been part of a larger plot, where I already knew that I was submitting an order to have you killed and already had you removed from my internal list? Buwahahahahahahaha!

Oops, I probably should not have posted my inner monologue.

[Thomkal]

I accept that people should have some concerns over my voting record so far this game. That said, my role has been out there for one day. I'm a frequent scan target early in games. People have had, and will continue to have, opportunities to scan me. The cunning wolf (Ardent) is out of the game. I've got perhaps the most prominent character on the show, which has been uncontested.

Also, HRG found me last night so I'm down to seven unknowns. I'm willing to have some discussions about this as people see fit, although I'm not initially inclined to out him if he doesn't want to come public himself.

Well some of us think HRG is responsible for the Night 1 kill of ntndeacon, so sooner or later it may be wise to out him so we can ask him about it.

[hoopsguy]

Clap - unknown
Hoops - Claire Bennet
The Jackal - unknown
nfg22 - Maury Parkman
RendeR - unknown
Thomkal - DL Hawkins
Lathum - Micah Sanders
path12 - Adam Monroe
Greyroofoo - unknown (some speculation based on powers)
SnDvls - Ando Masahashi
DaddyTorgo - Nathan Petrelli
mauboy1 - unknown
Schmidty - unknown
Neon Chaos - unknown
Chief Rum - Matt Parkman
Narcizo - Nikki Sanders
Barkeep49 - Daniel Linderman
Mr. Wednesday - unknown
Alan T - Molly Walker


Hope I've got everyone this time around.

[hoopsguy]

Well some of us think HRG is responsible for the Night 1 kill of ntndeacon, so sooner or later it may be wise to out him so we can ask him about it.

I've got a couple of thoughts on that. None of this particularly clears HRG, but these are scenarios I see where he wouldn't necessarily have been the killer.

1.) Company kill is accomplished using a gun, doesn't have to be HRG pulling trigger
2.) Sylar actually had the Night 1 kill using a gun as he didn't have powers yet. In the show he first kills by bashing someone on the head with a stone or piece of metal or something like that.

I've got aspects of HRG's story that I would like to see explored a little bit, but unless someone has an ability to see powers or detect factions, I'm not sure how much value can be found in revealing him today if he wants to hold onto that information. Up to this point I haven't seen anyone reveal with those kinds of abilities - and I'm not urging them to do it now.

That said, if we are doing a mass reveal today and he isn't around to do it himself then I'll put it out there.

[Thomkal]

I've got a couple of thoughts on that. None of this particularly clears HRG, but these are scenarios I see where he wouldn't necessarily have been the killer.

1.) Company kill is accomplished using a gun, doesn't have to be HRG pulling trigger
2.) Sylar actually had the Night 1 kill using a gun as he didn't have powers yet. In the show he first kills by bashing someone on the head with a stone or piece of metal or something like that.

I've got aspects of HRG's story that I would like to see explored a little bit, but unless someone has an ability to see powers or detect factions, I'm not sure how much value can be found in revealing him today if he wants to hold onto that information. Up to this point I haven't seen anyone reveal with those kinds of abilities - and I'm not urging them to do it now.

That said, if we are doing a mass reveal today and he isn't around to do it himself then I'll put it out there.

Fair enough Hoops. I can't dispute either of your two scenarios based on what we've seen so far in the game, so I'm content to wait and see what happens with him and his reveal.

[SnDvls]

who or what is HRG?

[Narcizo]

Well that's that then. I've no doubt I'll be flitting around over the weekend like a moth that can't get away from the candle flame.

[claphamsa]

yeah, color me confused....

[hoopsguy]

So I'm going to put on my "thinking like Sylar" hat right now and see where this leads.

I only have the name of Sylar, so I'm going to have to make a fake reveal at some point during the game. There are seven more roles out there on the list than there are actual players (23 players, 30 names that are not Sylar), so I've got some flexibility to do this.

Next step in the thought process - some of these names are absolutely going to be in the game. Let's say there are twelve (HRG, Claire, Petrelli boys, Parkman, Nikki, Hiro, DL, Micah, Isaac, Haitian, Mohinder). So you aren't going to mess with those names, which leaves 18 additional names for 10 more players.

You don't want to be caught as the last person to make a reveal, particularly with an obscure name, so you are going to have to take a shot with your reveal somewhere in the middle. It will help your cause even more if some of the early deaths and/or reveals are obscure characters.

Claude and West are among the early dead. Maury Parkman and Ando are among the early reveals. So the numbers at the start of Day 3 are now tilting in your favor. 14 names for six players.

Of the names released so far as potential Sylar maneuvers are Adam Monroe, Daniel Linderman, and Molly Walker. It is possible that these are all legit and the fake reveal is still coming in the remaining seven players, but we have three veterans players associated with these three names. I think the chances are pretty good Sylar is one of these three.

At some point we have to figure out our prioritization in terms of Company vs Sylar. Obviously not today, when we have a pretty solid either/or scenario on a Company member. But this is something that I'm starting to think about for Monday/Tuesday, depending on the quality of information we get at the end of this day.

[hoopsguy]

who or what is HRG?

Horn Rimmed Glasses, aka Noah Bennet.

[Lathum]

who or what is HRG?

Noah Bennet.

He is Clairs father and is known as the man with horn rimmed glasses

[claphamsa]

oh. and why is he suspected of killing NTN?

[SnDvls]

ahhh....I've heard him called the guy with horned rimmed glasses, but not HRG


why not just call him your dad or Noah? it's only one more letter and less confusing :)

[hoopsguy]

I'm fine with that - the acronym HRG has been adopted pretty widely in discussion about the show, to the extent that it is used in the episode summaries on the DVDs for Season 1.

I'll try to stick with Noah going forward to avoid confusion.

[hoopsguy]

By the way, I'm intrigued to see what some of the other big thinkers here have to say about the "thinking like Sylar" piece. Including the guys who are mentioned as potential fake reveals - if you know it doesn't apply to you and that your reveal is legit, do you still think the logic makes sense as it applies to the reveals of the other two? Or would you be more inclined to believe that Sylar hasn't revealed yet?

[Alan T]

So I'm going to put on my "thinking like Sylar" hat right now and see where this leads.

I only have the name of Sylar, so I'm going to have to make a fake reveal at some point during the game. There are seven more roles out there on the list than there are actual players (23 players, 30 names that are not Sylar), so I've got some flexibility to do this.

Next step in the thought process - some of these names are absolutely going to be in the game. Let's say there are twelve (HRG, Claire, Petrelli boys, Parkman, Nikki, Hiro, DL, Micah, Isaac, Haitian, Mohinder). So you aren't going to mess with those names, which leaves 18 additional names for 10 more players.

You don't want to be caught as the last person to make a reveal, particularly with an obscure name, so you are going to have to take a shot with your reveal somewhere in the middle. It will help your cause even more if some of the early deaths and/or reveals are obscure characters.

Claude and West are among the early dead. Maury Parkman and Ando are among the early reveals. So the numbers at the start of Day 3 are now tilting in your favor. 14 names for six players.

Of the names released so far as potential Sylar maneuvers are Adam Monroe, Daniel Linderman, and Molly Walker. It is possible that these are all legit and the fake reveal is still coming in the remaining seven players, but we have three veterans players associated with these three names. I think the chances are pretty good Sylar is one of these three.

At some point we have to figure out our prioritization in terms of Company vs Sylar. Obviously not today, when we have a pretty solid either/or scenario on a Company member. But this is something that I'm starting to think about for Monday/Tuesday, depending on the quality of information we get at the end of this day.

I notice you included my name in there. I think I agree in this process of thought and have been working along similar lines myself, especially in regards to how I am handling both Barkeep and Path's story. One thing you aren't including that should be included is other people's accounts for your actions however.

Speaking of the three you mentioned, myself, barkeep and path..

Lathum has confirmed my night 1 tracking someone.
Sndvls confirmed my night 2 tracking someone
Schmidty confirmed my night 3 results..

So at least my whereabouts are somewhat accounted for each night for the purposes of whether or not I am sylar. None of those three really clear me of being company or not, but I feel I have gained a little latitude so far with my voting record in that accord (being the first to go after Ardent, Cronin and NFG)...

So I don't mind that you are looking at this type of information, but you should include the full picture. The other two people you mentioned Path and Barkeep so far have no one who can collaborate their whereabouts on any night so far this game. I also am not convinced that the Sylar hunt should be refined to only those two people as several people whom I am 95%+ sure aren't company such as Neon haven't told us a single thing about themselves and verywell could be Sylar as well.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I absolutely agree with you on accounting for actions being a very big part of the puzzle in filtering people out of the mix.

However, I don't think voting records against Company necessarily filter someone out as Sylar. He wants to gain as much trust as possible and what better way to do it than by being a great villager?

[Thomkal]

oh. and why is he suspected of killing NTN?

He is suspected because he has no powers of his own, and has used a gun in the show before.

[Alan T]

Alan, I absolutely agree with you on accounting for actions being a very big part of the puzzle in filtering people out of the mix.

However, I don't think voting records against Company necessarily filter someone out as Sylar. He wants to gain as much trust as possible and what better way to do it than by being a great villager?


I think you misread my last post. I said some people whom I feel 95%+ aren't company could very well be Sylar such as Neon whom we have no information on.

I think its two different issues we have to look at for each person.. I was giving myself as an example, you know pretty point blank where I was every night. It was collaborated by other individuals for every night. So you pretty much know what my actions are/were without doubt. I think actions and collaboration say more for whether or not someone is sylar or not.. as company members working together can figure out some form of story that works out.

The Voting record I think purely is helpful in figuring out who is company or not.. I agree that Sylar is trying to fit in.

[hoopsguy]

I'm following your point now - yeah, this is where the "two trust list" idea comes into play. Agree on Neon as an example of trust/no trust.

I certainly think it is a possibility that Sylar hasn't yet attempted his fake reveal. But he is putting himself more and more at risk by delaying - a lesson I learned in "Tombstone" as I watched roles continue to be snapped up, making it increasingly tougher to come up with a good fake reveal. There is more latitude in this one, but the idea of greater scrutiny on later reveals remains the same.

[Lathum]

vote cronin

obviously to save my skin

yes, I can kill a person who votes for me, and I can pm freely with nfg22, and i distrust him as strongly as he distrusts me.

since i was outed, if I survive this lynching is there anyone the board would like see killed?

Oh.. one other note I just remembered that I wanted to make based on last night's discussions while I was sleeping..

NFG in his reveal hypothisized that Greyroofoo might be sylar due to being able to kill someone who voted for him. (Or something along those lines).. I don't think that is Sylar.. at least not from a show point of view. If I had to guess from a show point of view, that is the exploding man, whatever his name was (Ted?) When you got him mad.. bad things happened.

plus i'm pissed he outed me

Clap - unknown
Hoops - Claire Bennet
The Jackal - unknown
nfg22 - Maury Parkman
RendeR - unknown
Thomkal - DL Hawkins
Lathum - Micah Sanders
path12 - Adam Monroe
Greyroofoo - unknown (some speculation based on powers)
SnDvls - Ando Masahashi
DaddyTorgo - Nathan Petrelli
mauboy1 - unknown
Schmidty - unknown
Neon Chaos - unknown
Chief Rum - Matt Parkman
Narcizo - Nikki Sanders
Barkeep49 - Daniel Linderman
Mr. Wednesday - unknown
Alan T - Molly Walker


Hope I've got everyone this time around.

OK, some thoughts on what Hoops said. I don't think sylar has come out yet, it would be really risky. However I think it is possible GRF is sylar.

When the whole thing started with grf Alan speculated he may be the explodin man.

Now note, GRF DID NOT come out and say "yes thats me" There was 4 hours between Alan hypothisizing GRF was the exploding man and GRF claiming he was outed, he still never came out and said it was him.

Is it possible GRF was waiting to see if someone else claimed the exploding man before he came out as him?

It would be easy for him to go back and say " well I didn't think I had to say my name, Alan made it obvious"

[hoopsguy]

I don't think it is Grey - he had a comment right before deadline that won points with me. Something along the lines of "maybe you would be better off taking me out rather than leaving my power for Sylar". If it was a trick by him then he got me with it.

I think he is either Ted/Exploding Man or one other Season 2 role. I'll give you a great big "YOU WERE RIGHT" at the end of the game if this isn't the case.

[SnDvls]

So I'm going to put on my "thinking like Sylar" hat right now and see where this leads.

I only have the name of Sylar, so I'm going to have to make a fake reveal at some point during the game. There are seven more roles out there on the list than there are actual players (23 players, 30 names that are not Sylar), so I've got some flexibility to do this.

Next step in the thought process - some of these names are absolutely going to be in the game. Let's say there are twelve (HRG, Claire, Petrelli boys, Parkman, Nikki, Hiro, DL, Micah, Isaac, Haitian, Mohinder). So you aren't going to mess with those names, which leaves 18 additional names for 10 more players.

You don't want to be caught as the last person to make a reveal, particularly with an obscure name, so you are going to have to take a shot with your reveal somewhere in the middle. It will help your cause even more if some of the early deaths and/or reveals are obscure characters.

Claude and West are among the early dead. Maury Parkman and Ando are among the early reveals. So the numbers at the start of Day 3 are now tilting in your favor. 14 names for six players.

Of the names released so far as potential Sylar maneuvers are Adam Monroe, Daniel Linderman, and Molly Walker. It is possible that these are all legit and the fake reveal is still coming in the remaining seven players, but we have three veterans players associated with these three names. I think the chances are pretty good Sylar is one of these three.

At some point we have to figure out our prioritization in terms of Company vs Sylar. Obviously not today, when we have a pretty solid either/or scenario on a Company member. But this is something that I'm starting to think about for Monday/Tuesday, depending on the quality of information we get at the end of this day.

If I was Sylar I'd pick a few names (2-3) to be my "named role" as people reveal I'd check that one off my list and be able to see that a lot of people in this game have a pair or partner from what we're seeing. I'd try and see if I could partner up with someone who was killed that was good and there is no one to dispute what I have to say. If that doesn't look like that would work I'd find a name that is almost a loner on the show or wouldn't have a logical partner (i.e. the Peterelli brothers are together ((my assumption here)) so I'd choose the mom).

Another option is pick a partner that is already out there (ie I know Hoops is Claire so I have as a power a way to connect to her or find her so I'll claim to Hoops in private PM I'm Noah/her dad/HRG :) and gain his trust) then when the role is disputed in public Hoops will be put in a bad semi-nontrusted place and so will the real Noah/her dad/HRG :)

Option #2 is the more risky play overall, at this point, but if I could stay in the game longer and find the real Noah and keep him alive I'd have a good chance at staying in the game.

[Alan T]

Hoops, you said HRG found you last night instead of you finding him. Your reveal has been out for a few days hasn't it? Or was it just one realllly loooooooooong day? If its been more than one day, why didn't HRG find you the first day after your reveal?

[Alan T]

hmm, maybe Hoops reveal was yesterday. It just feels like a week ago now for some reason for me.

[hoopsguy]

I put my reveal out there at the start of Day 3. Noah found me, I didn't find him.

You would have to assume that the bad guys are allowed to send PMs to players to go down the line of thinking that SnDvls put out there - something that is not usually part of WW mechanics.

[Barkeep49]

Hoops: If I was Sylar I wouldn't have been able to narrow down the list like you propose. I simply don't have the mastery of the background knowledge to do so. I don't know about path. I don't think your logic is poor though I'm not sure it's correct either as many players simply aren't as analytical/mathematical as you and many many players are more risk adverse than you suggest. We still ahve a large crowd of players who've attempted no reveal. Seems silly to prematurely be narrowing in on people who've revealed with so much missing info out there.

[Barkeep49]

Hoops: If I was Sylar I wouldn't have been able to narrow down the list like you propose. I simply don't have the mastery of the background knowledge to do so. I don't know about path. I don't think your logic is poor though I'm not sure it's correct either as many players simply aren't as analytical/mathematical as you and many many players are more risk adverse than you suggest. We still ahve a large crowd of players who've attempted no reveal. Seems silly to prematurely be narrowing in on people who've revealed with so much missing info out there.
Put another way:

It's great logic if you were Sylar. I'm not sure it holds up though for someone else being Sylar.

[hoopsguy]

A further review of the PM I got notifying me on Noah pretty clearly states that he had the ability to find me. So I'm just about entirely discounting the idea that the person I'm communicating with is someone besides Noah Bennet. He might be Company, but unless I fail Reading Comprehension then he isn't Sylar and he isn't someone with a different role.

[SnDvls]

I put my reveal out there at the start of Day 3. Noah found me, I didn't find him.

You would have to assume that the bad guys are allowed to send PMs to players to go down the line of thinking that SnDvls put out there - something that is not usually part of WW mechanics.

well you were contacted by him correct?

it must be a power/ability that is out there and Noah was part of the company that could be one of his powers/abilities.

just thinking out loud as it seems several people can contact someone else via their power/ability

[Alan T]

I put my reveal out there at the start of Day 3. Noah found me, I didn't find him.

You would have to assume that the bad guys are allowed to send PMs to players to go down the line of thinking that SnDvls put out there - something that is not usually part of WW mechanics.


Well I would have to say.. especially if my hunch on NFG is correct, that this game clearly some of the bad guys have the ability to PM people of their choosing.. but it seems more dictated by character role than anything. So I'm still not convinced that HRG's ability to PM with you necessarily makes them good.

[SnDvls]

A further review of the PM I got notifying me on Noah pretty clearly states that he had the ability to find me. So I'm just about entirely discounting the idea that the person I'm communicating with is someone besides Noah Bennet. He might be Company, but unless I fail Reading Comprehension then he isn't Sylar and he isn't someone with a different role.

the reason I asked was I too was "contacted" by someone...I'm sure you can guess who because of me revealing my named role.

[hoopsguy]

Put another way:

It's great logic if you were Sylar. I'm not sure it holds up though for someone else being Sylar.

Fair enough - is it equally great logic in your mind if Path or Alan was Sylar? Alan has indicated he has show knowledge, while Path has had to catch up via Wikipedia per their posts so far.

[SnDvls]

it would be nice if my person & hoops person didn't role reveal to put some pressure on Sylar when/if everyone else does.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not at all convinced that Noah is a good guy. If someone has an action that they are going to take on him today that will help determine allegiance or verify powers then I'm willing to "out" him before deadline. But if that isn't the case, then I'll probably just wait until Day 5 to do so - I don't think we run any real risk of losing the game by holding off one more day.

I'm pretty free with my own information in games, but I do try to respect the rights of others to play their own game. This person has had opportunities during Day 4 to show their hand and they have chosen not to do so. So I'll honor that in the short term if there isn't a compelling reason to do otherwise.

[Barkeep49]

Fair enough - is it equally great logic in your mind if Path or Alan was Sylar? Alan has indicated he has show knowledge, while Path has had to catch up via Wikipedia per their posts so far.
Perhaps. But that goes back to my other point: Narrowing it down to a list of 3 seems silly given that a large percentage of players have revealed zip. I'm not saying that we shouldn't come back to this grouping of 3, but I think it's more likely for Sylar to have not revealed at all than to have come out at this point.

[SnDvls]

I'm not at all convinced that Noah is a good guy. If someone has an action that they are going to take on him today that will help determine allegiance or verify powers then I'm willing to "out" him before deadline. But if that isn't the case, then I'll probably just wait until Day 5 to do so - I don't think we run any real risk of losing the game by holding off one more day.

I'm pretty free with my own information in games, but I do try to respect the rights of others to play their own game. This person has had opportunities during Day 4 to show their hand and they have chosen not to do so. So I'll honor that in the short term if there isn't a compelling reason to do otherwise.

this is the same vibe I get from my person too, FYI, in our limited communication.

[claphamsa]

He is suspected because he has no powers of his own, and has used a gun in the show before.


but this isnt the show... and we have been told that there is no relation between the game and the show....

[hoopsguy]

There is definitely some relation between the game and the show. There may not be a 100% correlation between role and side (good guy on show may be bad guy here) but role and powers seem to pretty closely match up in most cases. That is based on the dead guys powers, as well as the comments by most of us playing who are familiar with the show.

[Alan T]

There is definitely some relation between the game and the show. There may not be a 100% correlation between role and side (good guy on show may be bad guy here) but role and powers seem to pretty closely match up in most cases. That is based on the dead guys powers, as well as the comments by most of us playing who are familiar with the show.


By the way this is either the second or third time Claphasma has made this point and been responded to with a similar response as you gave.. So its starting to look like he has an agenda moreso than anything else..

[claphamsa]

By the way this is either the second or third time Claphasma has made this point and been responded to with a similar response as you gave.. So its starting to look like he has an agenda moreso than anything else..

I do! I wanna understand what is going on, and havign never seen the show... and reading that heinze said there is no necessary correlation, and that watchign the show is not necessary to the game... its very frustrating.

[hoopsguy]

Well, NFG was in the thread earlier this hour and left without posting. I expect that means he didn't think it was worth the effort to put up a fight - hopefully that bodes well for today's vote.

[Thomkal]

but this isnt the show... and we have been told that there is no relation between the game and the show....

No we were told that there necessairly wasn't a relation between the show and the game, but things like Noah trying to find Claire is certainly something taken from the show. I agree though that it doesn't have to be Noah using the gun just because he uses one on the show. But I won't ignore the fact that Noah uses a gun on the show either.

[Alan T]

Well, NFG was in the thread earlier this hour and left without posting. I expect that means he didn't think it was worth the effort to put up a fight - hopefully that bodes well for today's vote.


I'm guessing we'll find out at lynch time that he did indeed have the ability to block people's actions similar to what was done to me on day 2, and Thomkal on day 3.

I'm curious.. did anyone have their action blocked the same way on day 1? No one has really commented one way or another about it. I think though that once we find this information, it will help elevate Thomkal a bit more in the non-company CoT

[Thomkal]

Hey Alan,

Do you think there's any clues in the ads we got or do you think its just meaningless "flavor"?

[hoopsguy]

BTW, I've now got an idea on who might be sending you Viagra spam messages - those familiar with the Heroes universe can probably figure out who I'm talking about based on the way I phrased this ...

[Alan T]

Hey Alan,

Do you think there's any clues in the ads we got or do you think its just meaningless "flavor"?

It looked for the most part to me like a generic Viagra email. There was one line at the very end of it that I wasn't sure if it was meant to be some clue to something, but I've written it off as no clue and just generic babble.

I'm not sure that I can quote that line as its part of quoting my PM.. if Jeheinz says its ok, I can.. but it mentions pausing hurt in the middle of light.. So at first I wasn't sure if it was some reference to the show when molly tries to find Sylar it really bothers her and she gets scared.. so I wasn't sure if that meant I found Sylar when I tried to spy on Hoops.. but then later the revelation from Sndvls following me who was following a blonde coupled with Hoops' reveal pretty much has written off Hoops as being Sylar in my mind... I'm guessing its all just complete nonsense.

[Alan T]

BTW, I've now got an idea on who might be sending you Viagra spam messages - those familiar with the Heroes universe can probably figure out who I'm talking about based on the way I phrased this ...

Well if you are thinking along the same lines as I think you are.. I originally thought Lathum's role was someone else sitting at a computer in an internet cafe, before I found out it was Lathum and before he role revealed as Micah.

[claphamsa]

BTW, I've now got an idea on who might be sending you Viagra spam messages - those familiar with the Heroes universe can probably figure out who I'm talking about based on the way I phrased this ...
and for those of us not?

[Mr. Wednesday]

who or what is HRG?
Noah Bennett, Claire's adoptive father. He was called "Horn-Rim Guy" because he wasn't given a name for the first half (or so) of the first season. He wasn't named Noah until the last episode or two of the first season, in fact a midseason shot of his driver's license only said "Bennett".

[jeheinz72]

Looks like the vote right now is

17 for NFG

Not voting: RendeR, nfg

BK, is 17 at/near the record for most votes on a single player?

[Lathum]

Well if you are thinking along the same lines as I think you are.. I originally thought Lathum's role was someone else sitting at a computer in an internet cafe, before I found out it was Lathum and before he role revealed as Micah.

can you elaborate on this, I'm not sure I get what you mean

[Thomkal]

It looked for the most part to me like a generic Viagra email. There was one line at the very end of it that I wasn't sure if it was meant to be some clue to something, but I've written it off as no clue and just generic babble.

I'm not sure that I can quote that line as its part of quoting my PM.. if Jeheinz says its ok, I can.. but it mentions pausing hurt in the middle of light.. So at first I wasn't sure if it was some reference to the show when molly tries to find Sylar it really bothers her and she gets scared.. so I wasn't sure if that meant I found Sylar when I tried to spy on Hoops.. but then later the revelation from Sndvls following me who was following a blonde coupled with Hoops' reveal pretty much has written off Hoops as being Sylar in my mind... I'm guessing its all just complete nonsense.

well I can tell you I did not get that message, but didn't want to post it either since that might be against the rules. I had a shorter section with the "sexual simulation" stuff than a larger rambling part about roasting some kind of spice I think and serving it north of gettysburg amongst other stuff. I think its nonsense like you, but thought we should discuss it just in case its not.

[The Jackal]

Alright, who hasn't revealed aside from me?

[Alan T]

Alright, who hasn't revealed aside from me?

Claphasma
The Jackal
Render
GreyRoofoo
Mauboy
Schmidty
Neon Chaos
Mr.Wednesday


We know a little information about some of the people listed above however.

[Barkeep49]

Looks like the vote right now is

17 for NFG

Not voting: RendeR, nfg

BK, is 17 at/near the record for most votes on a single player?
Yes.

[Barkeep49]

Claphasma
The Jackal
Render
GreyRoofoo
Mauboy
Schmidty
Neon Chaos
Mr.Wednesday


We know a little information about some of the people listed above however.
Looking at this list I want to point out that Mr. W had raised the hackles of a few of us and he's also on that list.

[The Jackal]

I have a couple of reasons for not revealing yet, one of them being I highly doubt Sylar would use my name, but I will as long as these people get to it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

it would be nice if my person & hoops person didn't role reveal to put some pressure on Sylar when/if everyone else does.
I'd assume, given that you're Ando, your "person" is Hiro. I'm not really clear on how Hiro and Noah not revealing puts pressure on Sylar, given that a) those aren't roles Sylar is likely to claim, and b) you and hoops have now indicated that those roles are present (and in contact) removing the possibility that Sylar would hijack them.

Can you elaborate on your idea for Hiro and Noah to stay quiet?

[jeheinz72]

FYI, just 6 minutes to deadline...so if a dozen of you are planning a coup, get to it!

[hoopsguy]

It is a season 2 spoiler if I go into details, but I think the role is Hana Gitelman.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - that was a reply to Clap's question in post #1405

[Alan T]

It is a season 2 spoiler if I go into details, but I think the role is Hana Gitelman.

Yep, that is what I meant. I think she was more in the online comic strip which I have never read though. She had a brief part in like one episode and then was forgotten from then on as far as I know in the shows.

Basically she has the ability to manipulate things electronically a bit different than Micah's role. So when I first got my night result last night, I assumed Schmidty was interested in someone with the Hana role.. but Lathum's reveal of micah also could make sense.

[Alan T]

Hmm, I should have put my last post into spoiler tags or something.. Sorry if I spoiled part of season 2 for anyone. I keep forgetting about that. I would go edit them in, but thats not allowed.

[jeheinz72]

Deadline.

[SnDvls]

I'd assume, given that you're Ando, your "person" is Hiro. I'm not really clear on how Hiro and Noah not revealing puts pressure on Sylar, given that a) those aren't roles Sylar is likely to claim, and b) you and hoops have now indicated that those roles are present (and in contact) removing the possibility that Sylar would hijack them.

Can you elaborate on your idea for Hiro and Noah to stay quiet?

he may claim them in private to try and out the real player at some point in public. Or he might claim them to get a dispute going.

[Alan T]

With all of these various spy roles out there, I just have to believe there is some balance for the bad guys that we haven't encountered yet.

Also we dont have any information from Schmidty on his role or any of his activities on previous nights in his supposed spy role that he mentioned.

[SnDvls]

dola - and if Hiro wanted to reveal in game then I'd back up the fact that yes that person had contacted me a claimed to me in PM they were Hiro

[Alan T]

With all of these various spy roles out there, I just have to believe there is some balance for the bad guys that we haven't encountered yet.

Also we dont have any information from Schmidty on his role or any of his activities on previous nights in his supposed spy role that he mentioned.

Dola, and I know that I'm not the first to mention this.. so not trying to take credit for it.. Just something that popped into my mind as I'm looking over my notes is all.. so repeating for posterity sake :)

[SnDvls]

damn Alan and his dola buster role :D

[Thomkal]

It is a season 2 spoiler if I go into details, but I think the role is Hana Gitelman.

I would agree that she is the most likely character to exhibit such a power.

[Alan T]

I'm suprised that Jeheinz didn't have the lynch written up hours ago :) :) :)

[Lathum]

I'm suprised that Jeheinz didn't have the lynch written up hours ago :) :) :)

I was just thinking that. I wanna take a nap.

[SnDvls]

I'm suprised that Jeheinz didn't have the lynch written up hours ago :) :) :)

someone could have put a twist on it to really screw us up/over

[hoopsguy]

I can't believe I got a dola in five minutes before deadline.

[The Jackal]

With all of these various spy roles out there, I just have to believe there is some balance for the bad guys that we haven't encountered yet.

Also we dont have any information from Schmidty on his role or any of his activities on previous nights in his supposed spy role that he mentioned.

Mohinder was certainly a counter to the spy role, wouldn't you say?

[hoopsguy]

someone could have put a twist on it to really screw us up/over

If I had been NFG and been outed I would have asked for the duke to save me :)

[jeheinz72]

Day Four of our adventure brings a much more absolute result. Aside from one abstention, the group is positive that nfg22 is not a real hero after some evidence is brought forth. Even nfg22 himself seems resigned to his fate as he offers up little in his defense.

When the clock strikes deadline, everyone focuses on him. As blood pours out of his mouth and eye sockets, he faintly whispers his continual allegience. A few of you have a hard time concentrating as voices in your head tell you to stop his demise, but in the end, like Mohinder and Claude, nfg22 dies as he was simply unable to counteract everyone's power.


nfg22 was Maury Parkman, and he was working for The Company!


Maury Parkman
<O:p

Power: You have the ability to read minds and develop a mental connection with people. At the beginning of the game you may select two people. You will be able to PM freely with those two people, who will think you are a Hero. The two conversations must be kept separate (ie. No 3-person chats, 2 independent discussions).

I'll get working on night actions now, could take a bit of time.

[hoopsguy]

Mohinder was certainly a counter to the spy role, wouldn't you say?

Claude (Ardent) definitely was - could not be tracked, always viewed as villager.

That said, four Company guys in a game where we all have powers does put some pressure on them. I'll save any game-balance comments until the end when I see what everyone had for abilities.

[The Jackal]

Three in a row. That's pretty damn good.

[Schmidty]

Woot!

[SnDvls]

way to go team

and thanks for the head's up on nfg Lathum!!!

[Alan T]

In case I die tonight, I chose to try to look a bit closer at Barkeep tonight.. not that I don't buy his story.. but well I don't buy his story... He stands as someone whom I think could possibly be sylar or company.

Otherwise I still wonder about my Schmidty converting Lathum conspiracy thoughts.

[claphamsa]

wow. this is..... going fast :)

[mauchow]

Nicely done once again, guys and gals.

Lets get some more good discussion going through the weekend. I'll be able to add stuff throughout most of the weekend.

[Neon_Chaos]

Well, a lot to catch up on.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, going back to the PM that you saw - what do you think are the chances that Grey is Sylar?

The Company is interested in getting him out of the game and in building trust - if they failed with a night kill on Sylar, then they would at least think about turning him over to us, right?

I don't know that I think this is the most likely scenario, but I'm interested if you think (based on having the most complete info) if this is a possibility.

[Lathum]

In case I die tonight, I chose to try to look a bit closer at Barkeep tonight.. not that I don't buy his story.. but well I don't buy his story... He stands as someone whom I think could possibly be sylar or company.

Otherwise I still wonder about my Schmidty converting Lathum conspiracy thoughts.

Alan, does the fact that Path claimed to have been attacked temper your conspiricy theory?

[Barkeep49]

In case I die tonight, I chose to try to look a bit closer at Barkeep tonight.. not that I don't buy his story.. but well I don't buy his story... He stands as someone whom I think could possibly be sylar or company.

Otherwise I still wonder about my Schmidty converting Lathum conspiracy thoughts.
I hope then that you can independently verify the protection I do tonight.

[The Jackal]

Nicely done once again, guys and gals.

Lets get some more good discussion going through the weekend. I'll be able to add stuff throughout most of the weekend.

I'll be gone most of Saturday and traveling for a few hours on Sunday, but I should be able to check in plenty to contribute to the discussion.

[The Jackal]

dola - assuming i survive :D

[Schmidty]

Otherwise I still wonder about my Schmidty converting Lathum conspiracy thoughts.

That really annoys me. I've done nothing to indicate that's true, since even before I spied on Lathum, I was the second person to lay down a vote on st.cronin. I really don't want to be forced to reveal my role.

You know, perhaps YOU are Sylar. All we've gotten so far is Company guys, and a couple based on your hunches. Maybe that's not the case, but if my name is going to get bandied about, yours shouldn't be ignore either.

[Thomkal]

yay fellow good guys! I think Barkeep is a good choice Alan. I spied on Mr. Wednesday just in case I die tonight.

[Schmidty]

Back to bed fo a while.

[Alan T]

Alan, does the fact that Path claimed to have been attacked temper your conspiricy theory?


Probably not until I get a better grip over what actions have actually been Company vs Sylar actions vs Heroe's actions. I'm not convinced that a hero didn't try to off Path on a hunch either just yet.

Perhaps if Schmidty gives us a bit more information about what he has been up to then it would help too.. Right now though all I know is Schmidty was very interested in you which could be either good or bad.

[Lathum]

Lathum, going back to the PM that you saw - what do you think are the chances that Grey is Sylar?

The Company is interested in getting him out of the game and in building trust - if they failed with a night kill on Sylar, then they would at least think about turning him over to us, right?

I don't know that I think this is the most likely scenario, but I'm interested if you think (based on having the most complete info) if this is a possibility.

I think it is at least possible.

The jist I am getting is that GRF can kill someone who voted for him.

In my mind the exploding man seems more like a brutal tactic. I don't see where it was mentioned anywhere that GRF's ability is if he is lynched.

To me that doesn't add up.

[Alan T]

That really annoys me. I've done nothing to indicate that's true, since even before I spied on Lathum, I was the second person to lay down a vote on st.cronin. I really don't want to be forced to reveal my role.

You know, perhaps YOU are Sylar. All we've gotten so far is Company guys, and a couple based on your hunches. Maybe that's not the case, but if my name is going to get bandied about, yours shouldn't be ignore either.


Schmidty, Everyone else with a role similar to what you are claiming have revealed whom and what they have done each night. You're the one that hasn't. Your information not only would help us feel better about you but also help possibly clear other people of being Sylar at some point.

For instance on night 2 if we do end up finding that kill was Sylar, we already know a group of people that can't be Sylar. (Sndvls, myself, Hoopsguy, etc)

[Lathum]

Probably not until I get a better grip over what actions have actually been Company vs Sylar actions vs Heroe's actions. I'm not convinced that a hero didn't try to off Path on a hunch either just yet.

Perhaps if Schmidty gives us a bit more information about what he has been up to then it would help too.. Right now though all I know is Schmidty was very interested in you which could be either good or bad.

You know as well as I do people are often interested in me early on.

And like I said, the time line and out of game factors make it impossible.

[Alan T]

Ok, I feel better about Barkeep based on my night action PM. I don't think he is Sylar, I think he was truthful in his role reveal and while I don't know if people are company/heroes, for now I'm giving him a pass.

[The Jackal]

The suspense is killing me, heinzy! And I need to go buy some jeans!

[jeheinz72]

Night 4 results

Again, you happily head to bed, knowing that the day went well. You decide that those eggs are friggin good luck, and go to make some more. Sheepishly, you flick on the local news. The headline at the bottom reads "Mayor to look into reducing crime rate. Murder at an all-time high"

The first story is the most disturbing. It seems this hot chick was trying on some clothes in a department store when she was attacked. She was clothed, but the friggin top of her head was cut off. Really gruesome.

Narcizo has died, he was Nikki Sanders, a Hero!


Nikki Sanders

Power: You have superhuman strength, even though you are a hottie. Each night you can choose someone to protect. That person will be immune that evening from Company attacks (and only company attacks)


The next story featured an Asian man who had been walking down the street only to get dragged into an alley and beaten to death. It was really sad, they say he was a really nice guy.

SnDvls has died, he was Ando Masahashi, a Hero!


Ando Masahashi

Power: While you don’t have any inate supernatural ability, you are very daft at blending in and not being noticed. Each night you have a choice, you can either A) Protect yourself or B) Spy on someone else to learn what they did that night. There is a randomness as far as the level of your success to each option.


Day/Night 5 has begun! Votes and night actions are due at 1 PM EST on MONDAY, 3/10!

[jeheinz72]

The suspense is killing me, heinzy! And I need to go buy some jeans!

Ya know, if one thinks about that post in a dirty way, it can be taken in a very funny way.

[DaddyTorgo]

*stating the obvious*

looks like that's what a sylar kill looks like

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think at this point, the positives to a role reveal for me outweigh the negatives. I am Hiro Nakamura. Unfortunately, SnDvls can no longer corroborate my identity, but at least he did confirm that Hiro is in the game.

[Thomkal]

ack no not my wife! you bastards will pay. Well there's no doubt now about the nature of Sylar's kills.

[Alan T]

Thomkal, Schmidty, Lathum or anyone else have any information from last night about anyone?

[Thomkal]

And sadly I cannot confirm Mr. Wednesday's reveal because I was blocked or my spy power failed again. On the good side though, I got an for a great deal on shoes from shoes.com, so I'm going shopping!

[SnDvls]

good luck heroes

[The Jackal]

I might as well reveal as a vote of good faith. I'm sure some of you have already guessed this, but I am Eden McCain, and I have the power of mind control. Persuasion is another good way to put it. If I am tied or leading the vote count at the deadline, I can switch one person's vote, hence my survival on day one.

Am I hot? :)

[Lathum]

Thomkal, Schmidty, Lathum or anyone else have any information from last night about anyone?

no. I can only use that ability every other night

[The Jackal]

Ya know, if one thinks about that post in a dirty way, it can be taken in a very funny way.

You scare me sometimes.

[Alan T]

I might as well reveal as a vote of good faith. I'm sure some of you have already guessed this, but I am Eden McCain, and I have the power of mind control. Persuasion is another good way to put it. If I am tied or leading the vote count at the deadline, I can switch one person's vote, hence my survival on day one.

Am I hot? :)

You aren't as hot as Hoopsguy

[Alan T]

So either someone has fake revealed somewhere along the way, or one of the following is Sylar:

Claphasma
Render
greyroofoo
mauboy
Schmidty
Neon Chaos

[The Jackal]

And with that, I'm out for a couple hours. Sorry I don't have any new information on people, but that ain't a part of my role. The list of people who i think could be Sylar is dwindling, let's see if anyone got some information from last night.

[claphamsa]

I guess Ill go ahead and reveal, I am nobody :(

I am hoops father. (hopefully im a perv, since hayden is super hot)

I have no powers. I have no gun, and I did not kill NTN.

[Alan T]

I guess Ill go ahead and reveal, I am nobody :(

I am hoops father. (hopefully im a perv, since hayden is super hot)

I have no powers. I have no gun, and I did not kill NTN.

Ardent claiming he had no powers is what got him in trouble with Sndvls.. Are you sure you have no powers? :)

[The Jackal]

I guess Ill go ahead and reveal, I am nobody :(

I am hoops father. (hopefully im a perv, since hayden is super hot)

I have no powers. I have no gun, and I did not kill NTN.

You have.. no powers? I find this extremely unlikely.

[claphamsa]

I was able to search for my daughter. thats it.

[claphamsa]

yeah it sucks :( no spying, no duking, no seeing, just..... clair? clair?

[The Jackal]

yeah it sucks :( no spying, no duking, no seeing, just..... clair? clair?

So.. did you have the potential to communicate with her or hoops in PMs, or what? Heinz made it very clear that everyone has some type of power, so you need to realize why what you said is going to concern a lot of us.

[Alan T]

Shout out to Pumpy Tudors

[Lathum]

I guess Ill go ahead and reveal, I am nobody :(

I am hoops father. (hopefully im a perv, since hayden is super hot)

I have no powers. I have no gun, and I did not kill NTN.

put me in the camp that finds this questionable

[Lathum]

- Everyone will have some sort of ability, good guys and bad guys. Some abilities will be very powerful, some will be uh...not.


from post 1

[Neon_Chaos]

Time for the reveal.

I am Lyle Bennet.

I have two not-so-powers. But one is tempting enough for Sylar, if Sylar can steal everyone's abilities. Which is why I chose not to reveal until now.

I can select one person to chat with through youtube (seriously, I don't know why), and I chose Narcizo since he's in the same time zone as myself. Of course, he's dead now... so I know it doesn't look nice for me. I've selected someone else to be my chatting partner now, The Jackal. Not sure if jeheinz has sent you the PM already.

The power I didn't want to risk Sylar having is I can also spy on someone each night and have a random chance of learning their powers. I failed 3 nights in a row following Narcizo, Jackal, and Thomkal. Thank a lot, jeheinz.

Tonight, I was able to learn that Thomkal is saying the truth about his abilities.

[Neon_Chaos]

Sorry for doubting you, Thomkal! :)

[The Jackal]

Does this mean I need to get a youtube account? And I haven't gotten a PM yet, but I'm also seriously leaving now, I'll check it out when I get back.

[Neon_Chaos]

Does this mean I need to get a youtube account? And I haven't gotten a PM yet, but I'm also seriously leaving now, I'll check it out when I get back.

It's a PM ability.

[Lathum]

NC's reveal feels forced

[claphamsa]

from post 1
well i guess he counts searchign for clair as an ability.... weak!

[Thomkal]

Sorry for doubting you, Thomkal! :)

It's okay I was doubting myself at that point. :) I could easily test this reveal since I've not revealed my other ability, but I'd still rather keep it to myself for now.

[Neon_Chaos]

It's okay I was doubting myself at that point. :) I could easily test this reveal since I've not revealed my other ability, but I'd still rather keep it to myself for now.

No problem-o. I can only spy on the abilities that I see. I'll make sure you spy on you again tonight then, if you're going to use it.

[Thomkal]

I feel unloved. All these chat powers and nobody's chatting with me, not even my wife (well that would be a bit difficult now I guess) or child.

[Neon_Chaos]

NC's reveal feels forced

Heck yeah, it's forced.

I was waiting to see what Sylar could do.

If anything, I referenced on my ability several hundred posts back, day 2 or 3, i think, about asking if Sylar's kills had randomness involved, because mine sure as hell did.

[Neon_Chaos]

No problem-o. I can only spy on the abilities that I see. I'll make sure you spy on you again tonight then, if you're going to use it.

I meant "I'll make sure I'll spy on you again"

[Thomkal]

No problem-o. I can only spy on the abilities that I see. I'll make sure you spy on you again tonight then, if you're going to use it.

Probably not a good idea Neon. But its a long time until Monday, I may change my mind. :)

[claphamsa]

I feel unloved. All these chat powers and nobody's chatting with me, not even my wife (well that would be a bit difficult now I guess) or child.
if it makes you feel better me and hoops have exchanged very very little. we havent been on at the same times. And I have sadly little to say...

[Neon_Chaos]

if it makes you feel better me and hoops have exchanged very very little. we havent been on at the same times. And I have sadly little to say...

btw, does this make you my dad?

[claphamsa]

um, im hoops dad, are you related? never seen the show...

[Alan T]

One question I have.. if Noah Bennett is in the game, Claire Bennett is in the game and Lyle Bennett is in the game.. Why does Noah Bennett and Claire Bennett have powers to look for each other, but Lyle has no knowledge of their existance or vice versa?

[hoopsguy]

Clap hasn't revealed one part of what he shared with me when we converesed last night.

- he did claim that his only power was to locate me
- however, if I die he has the option to join the Company

[claphamsa]

so neon is lyle? maybe he doesnt liek his dad? maybe I wanna perve on clair all by myself :)

[claphamsa]

Clap hasn't revealed one part of what he shared with me when we converesed last night.

- he did claim that his only power was to locate me
- however, if I die he has the option to join the Company
wouldnt call that a power....

[claphamsa]

wouldnt call that a power....
dola,
and you pointed out that at this point that would be really dumb to do.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I was stunned that Lyle Bennet was on the list of players at the start of the game. It was like one of those "which of these is not like the others" puzzles. I certainly didn't have anything about him in my PM and Clap didn't mention anything about him either when we talked last night.