WW LXVII - Heroes (GAME OVER! HEROES WIN!)

[Narcizo]

GFR. :mad:

God's Sake!

[Alan T]

GFR. :mad:

God's Sake!


Back when he used to play more often, I always got confused if his name was Greyroofoo or Greyfooroo or what... I'm sure I mess that up all the time. :)

[Thomkal]

Do you read that Night 2 was a Company kill then, instead of Sylar? My take on it, at least until having a good reason to do otherwise, is that Sylar got a kill last night. I think that the Company did not as a result of their killer (Ardent) dying during the lynch.

Not sure if this is right, but the kill description was vague and it makes little sense to me that Sylar would not be out killing at least every other day.

I disagree with you here Hoops. I really think Sylar's kills are going to have his distinctive top of the head cut off signature so we know its his kills instead of the Company. If one of those types of kills don't show up soon though, I guess I'm wrong about this. To me the Night 2 kill screams as some kind of mental attack from the Company.

Let's remember too that some people are going to have defensive powers that protect them at night and that could be the reason for some of the kills from the Company and Sylar not working.

[Passacaglia]

Back when he used to play more often, I always got confused if his name was Greyroofoo or Greyfooroo or what... I'm sure I mess that up all the time. :)

Also, back then, people called him grey. Seems weird no one does that now.

[Narcizo]

I feel like we need to get to the bottom of the situation with Thomkal. There just seems to be too many questions about him and how he has interacted with other people. We need more information about him, as it effects other people and lynching/the threat of lynching is one way of getting information.

[Neon_Chaos]

I feel like we need to get to the bottom of the situation with Thomkal. There just seems to be too many questions about him and how he has interacted with other people. We need more information about him, as it effects other people and lynching/the threat of lynching is one way of getting information.

People are still willing to give him a free pass.

You all wanted a lynch to happen yesterday for data, and now that the data is there, and there is an obvious anomaly regarding Thomkal's vote, I think we should take advantage of what we have in front of us.

[Thomkal]

The above sequence of votes is what bugs me... and why I would place doubt on Thomkal.

Render and Path vote for me even though there are already 3 likely candidates in Thomkal, AE, and Jackal with 2 or more votes. I suddenly am only one vote behind Thomkal and No Lynch.

AlanT and olie then vote for Ardent. Ardent is now tied with Thomkal with four votes each, I had 3, and Jackal had 2.

Given the benefit of the doubt that Thomkal is thinking about survival (like many of you claim he is), at this moment in time, he could have put his vote on AE and put AE ahead, but he doesn't... he goes votes for Jackal, who was two votes behind? Why would he not put his vote on ardent? I don't buy the fact that Jackal already had a vote on him.

Remember, AE is an unscannable wolf, and the wolves probably thought that they could manipulate the vote enough to keep AE safe.

BK and Torgo split their votes on me and Jackal... creating a stupid 4-way tie.

This entire thing just went down in a ridiculous way that I cannot believe it wasn't crafted as a way to save both AE and Thomkal, and kill off Jackal or myself.

The above sequence of votes is what bugs me... and why I would place doubt on Thomkal.

Render and Path vote for me even though there are already 3 likely candidates in Thomkal, AE, and Jackal with 2 or more votes. I suddenly am only one vote behind Thomkal and No Lynch.

AlanT and olie then vote for Ardent. Ardent is now tied with Thomkal with four votes each, I had 3, and Jackal had 2.

Given the benefit of the doubt that Thomkal is thinking about survival (like many of you claim he is), at this moment in time, he could have put his vote on AE and put AE ahead, but he doesn't... he goes votes for Jackal, who was two votes behind? Why would he not put his vote on ardent? I don't buy the fact that Jackal already had a vote on him.

Remember, AE is an unscannable wolf, and the wolves probably thought that they could manipulate the vote enough to keep AE safe.

BK and Torgo split their votes on me and Jackal... creating a stupid 4-way tie.

This entire thing just went down in a ridiculous way that I cannot believe it wasn't crafted as a way to save both AE and Thomkal, and kill off Jackal or myself.

Neon, I still think you are not seeing clearly here. The move to switch to Ardent happened with less than 5 minutes left before the deadline-when Ardent was three votes behind whoever was in the lead at that point. So again I ask why if I am a wolf am I having anything to do with switching my vote to Ardent? He was in very little danger until those moves took place. If I had not said anything about or disagreed with a move to Ardent, then I would say you have a very strong case. But I was the one who got others to move to Ardent, and you just cannot say that a wolf would do that.

[Thomkal]

woops sorry don't know how I got the double copy of the quote there

[Narcizo]

Ok. While I thinking about the vote, here's why I'd like validation on Hoops.

He comes out on day two and says that he's going to reveal his data and whatnot on day three. At the time I thought that this seemed like a ploy to draw a) bad guy heat or b) good guy protection to himself. Right enough, he's now suggesting that he is immune to a night kill, so it's a great move if you want to draw a night kill.

However colour me unimpressed about the "data" he's collected. "He knows two people who aren't HRG"? But ok that's alright if he was trying to attract a night kill. It doesn't actually matter if he's got any data. But in that case why not come out and say that's the plan all along? This sort of power that he says he has sounds like something he might have made up to justify his statement the previous day. He hasn't even come out and said who isn't HRG. This part of the story really strikes me as dodgy.

The far more unlikely reason (and I'll admit it's a huge reach) here is that he was trying to get someone to protect him rather than someone else. It's possible/likely that the wolves have someone who can spy/scan on their team so it's possible they have a reason to believe that someone they want to hit was being protected and he wanted to move that protection.

Yes, I know this sounds ridiculously far-fetched, but, just putting that to the side, I think the gain for the villagers if we can scan Hoops and find that he is good is immense, as he becomes nigh on bullet-proof. (Barring the probable conversion attempt that would follow :) )

[RendeR]

UNVOTE THE JACKAL

VOTE Greyfoofoo


Lets see where this leads.

[Thomkal]

Lathum when you get back from class I'd love to hear how you think Sylar steals powers considering we haven't seen him do a night kill yet. Do you think it's a night kill and he's waiting for some reason? Or could it be some other mechanism?

And for all: Does it really only make sense that Sylar's ability is to steal powers? Or could he do something else?

To me it makes sense that stealing powers is his main power. I mean that's what he does on the show and why would you have him in the game if he can't do that? It also wouldn't surprise me to see him have some kind of seer power to find the powers he wants, and some kind of protective power against seer powers since everyone else in the game wants him dead.

[hoopsguy]

Ok. While I thinking about the vote, here's why I'd like validation on Hoops.

He comes out on day two and says that he's going to reveal his data and whatnot on day three. At the time I thought that this seemed like a ploy to draw a) bad guy heat or b) good guy protection to himself. Right enough, he's now suggesting that he is immune to a night kill, so it's a great move if you want to draw a night kill.

However colour me unimpressed about the "data" he's collected. "He knows two people who aren't HRG"? But ok that's alright if he was trying to attract a night kill. It doesn't actually matter if he's got any data. But in that case why not come out and say that's the plan all along? This sort of power that he says he has sounds like something he might have made up to justify his statement the previous day. He hasn't even come out and said who isn't HRG. This part of the story really strikes me as dodgy.

The far more unlikely reason (and I'll admit it's a huge reach) here is that he was trying to get someone to protect him rather than someone else. It's possible/likely that the wolves have someone who can spy/scan on their team so it's possible they have a reason to believe that someone they want to hit was being protected and he wanted to move that protection.

Yes, I know this sounds ridiculously far-fetched, but, just putting that to the side, I think the gain for the villagers if we can scan Hoops and find that he is good is immense, as he becomes nigh on bullet-proof. (Barring the probable conversion attempt that would follow :) )

I'm OK with sharing who isn't HRG if people want that info.

[Narcizo]

Neon, I still think you are not seeing clearly here. The move to switch to Ardent happened with less than 5 minutes left before the deadline-when Ardent was three votes behind whoever was in the lead at that point. So again I ask why if I am a wolf am I having anything to do with switching my vote to Ardent? He was in very little danger until those moves took place. If I had not said anything about or disagreed with a move to Ardent, then I would say you have a very strong case. But I was the one who got others to move to Ardent, and you just cannot say that a wolf would do that.

Neon's refering to the vote for Jackal rather than ardent earlier on. I sort of buy your thinking here but you still haven't offered any justification for that.

[Narcizo]

I'm happy with a Grey vs st cronin run off today. So I'll

Vote st.cronin

And that's probably me until the deadline.

What I've seen tallies very closely with what Alan has been thinking, as I detailed earlier. If one person has a hunch, it's just a hunch, but if two people have the same hunch it might be a bit more. St cronin's argument that he could have saved Ardent doesn't really hold up and that makes him just a bit more suspicious to me.

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon, I still think you are not seeing clearly here. The move to switch to Ardent happened with less than 5 minutes left before the deadline-when Ardent was three votes behind whoever was in the lead at that point. So again I ask why if I am a wolf am I having anything to do with switching my vote to Ardent? He was in very little danger until those moves took place. If I had not said anything about or disagreed with a move to Ardent, then I would say you have a very strong case. But I was the one who got others to move to Ardent, and you just cannot say that a wolf would do that.

Right, you're talking about the end-game. You had a valid excuse for the end game, and I did buy into that.

But care to explain, if you're not a wolf, why you didn't vote for ardent earlier when you were tied in votes?

Instead, you voted for The Jackal, who was two votes behind.

And if your only reason is that because The Jackal had a vote for you, then it's a weak one.

You could have made it a race between you and ardent early on, but it was clear from that moment on that you were protecting ardent from being lynched.

[RendeR]

Holy hell. BK can you clean that up? Talk about a posting nightmare. Took forever to get any response.

I'm out till after deadline.

[Neon_Chaos]

Day 2 vote:
318 - Clap votes Thomkal (1-0)
328 - Cronin votes Ardent (1-1)
331 - Alan votes Clap (1-1-1)
357 - NFG votes Clap (2-1-1)
397 - Ardent votes Alan T (2-1-1-1)
426 - Alan unvotes Clap, votes NFG (1-1-1-1-1)
434 - Chief votes Thomkal (2-1-1-1-1) Thom leads
443 - Schmidty votes Grey (2-1-1-1-1-1)
444 - MrW votes Olie (2-1-1-1-1-1-1)
445 - Narc votes NoLynch (2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1)
447 - Neon votes NoLynch (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1) Thom/NL tied
452 - Ardent unvotes Alan, votes NoLynch (3-2-1-1-1-1-1)
459 - Thomkal votes Chief (3-2-1-1-1-1-1-1)
471 - Mauboy votes Neon (3-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1)
474 - Lathum votes Thomkal (3-3-1-1-1-1-1-1-1) Thom/NL tied
480 - Jackal unvotes Render, votes Thomkal (4-3-1-1-1-1-1-1) Thom leads
487 - SnDvls votes Ardent (4-3-2-1-1-1-1-1) Ardent now 3rd in votes, separating from pack of ones
488 - Schmidty unvotes Grey, votes NoLynch (4-4-2-1-1-1-1-1) Thom/NL tied
489 - Hoops votes Jackal (4-4-2-1-1-1-1-1-1)
496/498 - NFG unvotes Clap, votes Jackal (4-4-2-2-1-1-1-1-1) Thom/NL tied, AE/Jackal two back
499 - RendeR votes Neon (4-4-2-2-2-1-1-1-1) Thom/NL tied, AE/Jackal/Neon two back
511 - Path votes Neon (4-4-3-2-2-1-1-1-1) Thom/NL tied, Neon one back, AE/Jackal two back
512 - Alan unvotes NFG, votes Ardent (4-4-3-3-2-1-1) Thom/NL tied, Neon/AE one back, Jackal two back
518 - Olie votes Ardent (4-4-4-3-2-1-1) Thom/NL/Ardent tied, Neon one back, Jackal two back
520 - Thomkal unvotes Chief, votes Jackal (4-4-4-3-3-1) Thom/NL/Ardent tied, Neon/Jackal one back
528 - Torgo votes NoLynch (5-4-4-3-3-1) NL leads, Thom/Ardent tied, Neon/Jackal two back
529 - Barkeep votes Jackal (5-4-4-4-3-1) NL leads, Thom/Ardent/Jackal tied, Neon two back
530 - Torgo unvote NoLynch, votes Neon (4-4-4-4-4-1) NL/Thom/Ardent/Jackal/Neon tied
553 - Neon unvotes NoLynch, votes Jackal (5-4-4-3-1) Jackal leads, Thom/Ardent/Neon one back, NL two back
565 - MrW unvotes Olie, votes Jackal (6-4-4-3) Jackal up two on Thom/Ardent/Neon, three on NL
585 - Jackal unvotes Thomkal, votes Neon (6-5-4-3-3) Jackal up one on Neon, two on Ardent, three on Thom/NL
597 - Grey votes Jackal (7-5-4-3-3) Jackal up two on Neon, three on Ardent, four on Thom/NL
612 - Jackal unvotes Neon, votes Ardent (7-5-4-3-3) Jackal up two on Ardent, three on Neon, four on Thom/NL
618 - Neon unvotes Jackal, votes Ardent (6-6-4-3-3) Jackal/Ardent tied, up two on Neon, three on Thom/NL

That vote right there, Thomkal.

You could have made ardent have 5 votes.

Instead you vote someone 2 votes behind. Why? Trying to protect the wolf that could hide himself among us, perhaps?

[Alan T]

It doesn't count as extra votes if you submit it multiple times!! :)


Wasn't yourr fault Render, the board just had a database error a bit ago and it kind of made things funky for a bit.

[Thomkal]

Read through what Thomkal has to say and while he offers a reason for not moving to Ardent at the end I haven't seen his reason for moving to Jackal instead of Ardent earlier on. But overall I'm not getting much of a wolfy vibe off of him but I've got less than an hour to make a decision and, at the moment, it's a vote based toss up between GRF and him. I absolutely don't buy GRF being Sylar based on what cfg said though. If either come in soon and can offer a reason for voting Jackal I'd be appreciative.

PS Thomkal it's very poor form to post in a thread other than the WW thread when you're playing a game. Messes up the "recent post" lists. I was wondering what the hell you were talking about for a while until I realised that it was an American Idol thread. :)

Heh sorry about that Narcizo, I had put off catching up on the AI and Big Brother threads last night until I had caught up here, so yes that must have been strange trying to figure out why I was talking about somone named Amanda or Carly. :)

[Neon_Chaos]

I find it interesting that everyone was screaming for blood yesterday because you were saying that the votes would tell tales, and somehow we've all gone past reading into what happened yesterday's results. (when the wolves thought they would be off scott free if Jackal and myself didn't move our votes over to ardent to create a tie, and the mystery hoops vote movement that made it an ardent lynch), and suddenly it's become a Grey / st.cronin vote because of "hunches".

[Alan T]

I find it interesting that everyone was screaming for blood yesterday because you were saying that the votes would tell tales, and somehow we've all gone past reading into what happened yesterday's results. (when the wolves thought they would be off scott free if Jackal and myself didn't move our votes over to ardent to create a tie, and the mystery hoops vote movement that made it an ardent lynch), and suddenly it's become a Grey / st.cronin vote because of "hunches".


To be honest, I think yesterday's vote outline says alot about Cronin's vote too.. but I guess that thought of mine is classified as a hunch :) But to be fair, my hunch about Ardent is what got it going when Jackyl asked me if I would consider moving to no lynch and I refused... so don't be upset at me if I want to stick with my hunch again today :)

[Alan T]

Dola, I'm not sure why you are upset with grey voters .. since his vote made it 7-5 Jackyl when he could have tied things up himself without late moves. I would think he would be just as much on your radar as anyone else today.

I personally have no problem with a grey vs Cronin run off today, but of course I'm personally keeping my vote on Cronin.

[Thomkal]

Oh as to why I voted for Jackal and not Ardent in the timeline there? Very Simple, Jackal had switched his vote to me, and I wanted to put pressure on one of the people trying to vote me out. I knew it was unlikely Ardent was going to be around to defend himself as well while Jackal was a very active poster. To be honest, even though I really did try to move my vote to Ardent at the end there, I was not too unhappy to have it come down to Jackal and Ardent based on Jackal's earlier vote for me.

There was still plenty of time at the point I made that vote to switch it to Ardent or anybody else in an attempt to save myself, so I really think you are focussing on the wrong part of that timeline. Please give me a good explanation, if I am a wolf, for the last part of that timeline, with Ardent being safe by three votes to even suggest a move to him? No one's (unless someone has while I'm posting this) been able to answer that, or even acknowledge it.

[Neon_Chaos]

Dola, I'm not sure why you are upset with grey voters .. since his vote made it 7-5 Jackyl when he could have tied things up himself without late moves. I would think he would be just as much on your radar as anyone else today.

I personally have no problem with a grey vs Cronin run off today, but of course I'm personally keeping my vote on Cronin.

I'm not upset with Grey voters at all. I'm upset noone else is putting Thomkal to the test when there is even more overwhelming evidence against him, specifically that glaring questionable vote that Thomkal made in the middle of the day for Jackal, right before the race inexplicably tightened.

[Neon_Chaos]

Oh as to why I voted for Jackal and not Ardent in the timeline there? Very Simple, Jackal had switched his vote to me, and I wanted to put pressure on one of the people trying to vote me out. I knew it was unlikely Ardent was going to be around to defend himself as well while Jackal was a very active poster. To be honest, even though I really did try to move my vote to Ardent at the end there, I was not too unhappy to have it come down to Jackal and Ardent based on Jackal's earlier vote for me.

There was still plenty of time at the point I made that vote to switch it to Ardent or anybody else in an attempt to save myself, so I really think you are focussing on the wrong part of that timeline. Please give me a good explanation, if I am a wolf, for the last part of that timeline, with Ardent being safe by three votes to even suggest a move to him? No one's (unless someone has while I'm posting this) been able to answer that, or even acknowledge it.

You didn't suggest anything. It was Alan T who gave the initial suggestion.

I think all of the absolutes that people are using in saying "A Day 2 no lynch is bad" isn't really accurate. We had a game last year where two straight days of no lynches not only ended up being real good for us but helped us win the game. It was a game similar to this where everyone had roles and alot of information was out there.

I'm not as convinced that this game is as open to the information being forthcoming, but just based on some reactions of various players.. I think there is -SOME- information out there, just not available to the entire group as of yet.

I'm not pushing for a no lynch today, I wanted to see Ardent get lynched today.. but I think saying cut and dry no lynch is bad is inaccurate in some cases.

And then Jackal followed up on my suggestion on a No Lynch vote.

You're absolutely right. Would you be up for switching to no lynch? With me, you, and neon doing it, it'd at least give me a chance to live.

And Jackal asked about ardent.

Whats the case against Ardent? I could certainly switch to him.
And then this message from you.

sorry I've been away from the computer. I cannot support a move to no lynch despite who it might save, myself included because I strongly believe we need some information from this lynch. I could move to Ardent I suppose if there's enough votes, but not a no lynch

I will notch this down that you were confident that Jackal would get eliminated. Of course you didn't expect me moving my vote off of Jackal and on to AE. Why would I, right? I would be completely nuts if I did that. But I am. And I did.

Works for me. I'd prefer a person over a no lynch, anyways.

Unvote Neon

Vote Ardent

Jackal, I have no idea if you're innocent or not, but we were all put in this predicament by that surge to save ardent. If you move your vote to Ardent, I can move my vote as well and that creates a tie between the two of you... better chances than being outright lynched.

And this beauty of a vote to at least force it into a tie.

Oh. There ya go.

Unvote Jackal
Vote Ardent
and of course, the apology post at 1:01

sorry jackal

[jeheinz72]

Back when he used to play more often, I always got confused if his name was Greyroofoo or Greyfooroo or what... I'm sure I mess that up all the time. :)

I seriously have this happen to me every time I post his name this game (and last game too). For some reason I can never keep it straight.

Carry on.

[jeheinz72]

St. Cronin (3): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016)
Greyfooroo (3): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010)
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), SnDvls (971)
Mr. Wednesday (2) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)
Mauboy1 (1): Mr. Wednesday (912)
Thomkal (1): Neon Chaos (955)
nfg22 (1): claphamsa (990)


Not voting (6): Hoops, Thomkal, nfg22, Greyfooroo, mauboy1, Lathum

[SnDvls]

UNVOTE THE JACKAL

VOTE Greyfoofoo


Lets see where this leads.

hey you only get to vote once ;)

[hoopsguy]

Neon just went back to the same posts that I was looking at. There was also one at 5 to deadline where Cronin asks Alan if he would be up for a "No Lynch" vote. But otherwise he covers all the important posts over the final five minutes as we saw the swing to AE.

I'll be voting for one of these guys in the next couple of minutes.

[Alan T]

Neon, just for the sake of "pushing" my candidate in this race.. I would encourage you to also review Cronin's posts during the same time frame (or rough time frame) and see how unenthusiastic he was campaigning for his vote choice of Ardent (to the point of actually saying the reasons to vote for him in as non-appealing way as possible).

Cronin just got stuck in a vote that everyone would watch to see if he moved his vote and he couldn't do anything about it other than try to give lousy reasons why to vote for ardent.

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, an unrelated question - can you provide any more detail on what kind of action that Alan was taking while following me?

If you are convinced he was following for informational purposes, then I'm not all that concerned about pushing this line of thinking. But if it is unclear, then I'll probably start getting paranoid.

[Alan T]

SnDvls, an unrelated question - can you provide any more detail on what kind of action that Alan was taking while following me?

If you are convinced he was following for informational purposes, then I'm not all that concerned about pushing this line of thinking. But if it is unclear, then I'll probably start getting paranoid.

Maybe I have something for young blonde cheerleaders????

[hoopsguy]

If the "something" doesn't involve cutting my head open then nothing wrong with that.

[Alan T]

If the "something" doesn't involve cutting my head open then nothing wrong with that.


Hehe, sorry. Just had to! I'll let Sndvls respond with what his impression of my action is though.. but I think he already described it fairly accurately previously to be a similar following action to what he described.

If you are still worried, I actually dropped a hint about that back when Sndvls revealed his role saying that I don't think his reveal was a bad thing and that I figured there are others with similar roles out there. This comment was before he chose to follow me the next night, and obviously I was referring to myself.

The only odd part I have about last night is that I don't have any knowledge of what happened myself, so the only thing I can go on is what Sndvls said about my evening.. The only reason I can back up your claim of being the cheerleader is Sndvls said he followed me following a blonde woman, and I had chosen to spy on you.

Hope that makes sense, it did when I was typing it!

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon, just for the sake of "pushing" my candidate in this race.. I would encourage you to also review Cronin's posts during the same time frame (or rough time frame) and see how unenthusiastic he was campaigning for his vote choice of Ardent (to the point of actually saying the reasons to vote for him in as non-appealing way as possible).

Cronin just got stuck in a vote that everyone would watch to see if he moved his vote and he couldn't do anything about it other than try to give lousy reasons why to vote for ardent.

I would be much more interested in seeing a Thomkal / Cronin race that a Cronin / Grey one, I'll give you that.

[Thomkal]

You didn't suggest anything. It was Alan T who gave the initial suggestion.



And then Jackal followed up on my suggestion on a No Lynch vote.



And Jackal asked about ardent.


And then this message from you.



I will notch this down that you were confident that Jackal would get eliminated. Of course you didn't expect me moving my vote off of Jackal and on to AE. Why would I, right? I would be completely nuts if I did that. But I am. And I did.





And this beauty of a vote to at least force it into a tie.


and of course, the apology post at 1:01

You misunderstand my comment about suggesting that I was the one who came up with the idea to vote for Ardent originally. That was clearly Alan. But when I turned down your offer to go no lynch, it was when I said I could vote for Ardent though that the vote switching happened. The votes switched because I said I would move mine to Ardent. Alan's concerns about Ardent probably made people feel more comfortable about the switch, but if I had not offered to move to Ardent at that point, would the vote switching to him have taken place? I think not.

Again I stand by most posts saying I was away from the computer because I was. I just hang out in the room here when I know I'll be checking back frequently. I stand by the apology to Jackal because my internet connection prevented me from making the switch in time. Because it was my intent to switch to Ardent despite the earlier vote on me by Jackal because he was sounding more and more like a villager as we neared the deadline.

I have defended myself all I can on this issue. I see where you are coming from Neon, but I think you are pretty much ignoring my point of view and the crucial fact that there was no reason at all for me to bring Ardent back into contention for the vote if I'm a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

Neon, let me see if I can help you with that wish.

VOTE THOMKAL

[jeheinz72]

St. Cronin (3): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016)
Greyfooroo (3): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010)
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), SnDvls (971)
Mr. Wednesday (2) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977)
Thomkal (2): Neon Chaos (955), hoopsguy (1040)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)
Mauboy1 (1): Mr. Wednesday (912)
nfg22 (1): claphamsa (990)


Not voting (5): Thomkal, nfg22, Greyfooroo, mauboy1, Lathum

[Neon_Chaos]

You misunderstand my comment about suggesting that I was the one who came up with the idea to vote for Ardent originally. That was clearly Alan. But when I turned down your offer to go no lynch, it was when I said I could vote for Ardent though that the vote switching happened. The votes switched because I said I would move mine to Ardent. Alan's concerns about Ardent probably made people feel more comfortable about the switch, but if I had not offered to move to Ardent at that point, would the vote switching to him have taken place? I think not.

Again I stand by most posts saying I was away from the computer because I was. I just hang out in the room here when I know I'll be checking back frequently. I stand by the apology to Jackal because my internet connection prevented me from making the switch in time. Because it was my intent to switch to Ardent despite the earlier vote on me by Jackal because he was sounding more and more like a villager as we neared the deadline.

I have defended myself all I can on this issue. I see where you are coming from Neon, but I think you are pretty much ignoring my point of view and the crucial fact that there was no reason at all for me to bring Ardent back into contention for the vote if I'm a wolf.

Alright then, seeing as I probably won't get any support on voting you off.

Perhaps you would be interested in voting for St. Cronin?

Unvote Thomkal
Vote St.Cronin

[Alan T]

This is starting to shape up like yesterday with 5 candidates!

[SnDvls]

SnDvls, an unrelated question - can you provide any more detail on what kind of action that Alan was taking while following me?

If you are convinced he was following for informational purposes, then I'm not all that concerned about pushing this line of thinking. But if it is unclear, then I'll probably start getting paranoid.


No and it does concern me too, especially with what he said he got in his PM. He could easily have been hunting you for the Company or as Syler too and didn't want to give away too much, but wanted to throw a wrench in my reveal ect.

Yes it's something to keep an eye on for sure.

Basically it said I was following him and he was quicky following you. Not knowing what you were doing I'm not sure if the quickly really matters, but it may for you as only you know what you were doing.

[Neon_Chaos]

Damnit.

Didn't see you vote hoops.

Unvote St.Cronin
Vote Thomkal

[claphamsa]

unvote ngf
vote thromkal

[Lathum]

Vote Barkeep

He just seems to have some inside knowledge.

We have absolutly no way of knowing is sylar has killed. Only sylar or company would know that yet BK seems pretty sure of his statements.

BK, I'll be in and out but I think sndvls answered your questions, if not I'l try to but I have a 1:00 class

[SnDvls]

hoops - and now with Alan posting what he did he's moved a little back towards trusted for me at least.

[Thomkal]

Well I was glad to see you come to your senses for about two minutes there Neon. :) I absolutely would vote with you on Cronin because Alan's hunch served us pretty well yesterday. I would also support votes on Mr Wednesday and Grey because of their voting for Jackal yesterday and the new information revealed about Grey today.

Let me ask Neon why were you willing to vote for Cronin just now instead of me?

[Neon_Chaos]

Well I was glad to see you come to your senses for about two minutes there Neon. :) I absolutely would vote with you on Cronin because Alan's hunch served us pretty well yesterday. I would also support votes on Mr Wednesday and Grey because of their voting for Jackal yesterday and the new information revealed about Grey today.

Let me ask Neon why were you willing to vote for Cronin just now instead of me?

I would be comfortable voting either you or cronin out.

[nfg22]

I'm going through and reading carefully now for my list of reveals and ..



Seriously - what? Not only do you reveal your own role and power, and back CR into a corner so he has to reveal but you reveal yet someone else's in the bargain?

This is a bit fuzzy at the moment as I don't know if you've got all the info PMed to you. Is this a vicious role (ie he has to have been lynched for this power to work) or can he use it any time. If it's a vicious role then it would be absolutely useless to Sylar as he is a one man faction. Killing someone once he's dead is pointless. If it's not then I still have a hard time seeing Sylar only having the chance to kill one person all game. And I'm fairly sure that if he were Sylar he wouldn't tell you the truth about his power. Why on earth would he? To be honest I'm surprised he told you anything at all but if this does anything then it makes me more willing to cut him a bit more slack.


Narcizo. I havent read past this yet but I wanted to clarify. He said he could do this once a day. Thus a kill everyday if someone votes fo him.

[jeheinz72]

St. Cronin (3): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016)
Greyfooroo (3): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010)
Barkeep49 (3): path12 (859), SnDvls (971), Lathum (1047)
Thomkal (3): hoopsguy (1040), Neon Chaos (1045), claphamsa (1046)
Mr. Wednesday (2) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)
Mauboy1 (1): Mr. Wednesday (912)



Not voting (4): Thomkal, nfg22, Greyfooroo, mauboy1

[nfg22]

wow that was quite the late night revelations. :) It now puts a new light on Ollegirl's death. I couldn't figure out any particular reason she would be killed based on what happened in the game. Based on what nfg is telling us, he knows what her first night's action was and what she planned to do on her second action. This information could lead us to her killer. And a question for you Nfg, did you tell Grey that you were in contact with Ollegirl?

I find it suspect that the Parkman's are on the same side. It's likely their powers are either the same or very close to each other, and I just think it makes more sense to be on opposite sides. But CR and Nfg are sounding "villagery" to me right now, so perhaps I'm wrong there. I'm hoping someone will scan/spy on them to see if there's anything to go with there.

Still reading through. Yes at the time I didnt think Sylar would have this one ability and oliegirl had lied to me so I trusted GRF more...

[SnDvls]

St. Cronin (3): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016)
Greyfooroo (3): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010)
Barkeep49 (3): path12 (859), SnDvls (971), Lathum (1047)
Thomkal (3): hoopsguy (1040), Neon Chaos (1045), claphamsa (1046)
Mr. Wednesday (2) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)
Mauboy1 (1): Mr. Wednesday (912)



Not voting (4): Thomkal, nfg22, Greyfooroo, mauboy1

I have a feeling we're going to get lots of movement again as the 4 "leaders" all can move their vote and change this very quickly.

[nfg22]

Just caught up on all of the late night discussion.. My thoughts in no particular order..


NFG revealing as Parkman's dad makes complete sense to me.. and part of me is thinking he had an additional power beyond the PM ability.. and that he was who blocked me last night. If NFG is good or company, I could see me being his choice for blocking last night after the events last night between him and I. if he is good, he would have possibly blocked me for whatever reasons.. or if he was company he could have blocked me for me being onto Ardent possibly meaning I really had gotten more information from night 1 than I was letting on to (Which isn't the case).

The thing about Parkman's dad is coming in to the game, that was one of the roles that I felt would be company. I'm not going to jump at that thought just yet because Jeheinz made it very clear that people's sides might not necessarily match up with the show here so I want to be cautious in jumping at that conclusion. I definitly think nfg's reveal matches well for me in what I know in this universe, as I had him somewhere on my distrust list and my power was blocked by someone like parkman's dad.

Now about the other topics from the night.. someonen asked about Hoops vote being moved and possibly linked it to the parkmans.. I don't think thats who did it. Like I said yesterday, I think the girl with persuasion abilities is in the game, and thats who did it. I also think that person when they do eventually reveal should be trusted as not company.. and I also assume they can use that power more than once, so uhh yeah don't reveal.


CR can you confirm that you have no other powers? I don't. I was able to choose two people. I know CR said his were assigned.

[Thomkal]

I would be comfortable voting either you or cronin out.

Well Cronin is the correct vote then if you feel Alan is right about his hunches about me and him after he was right about Ardent yesterday.

[Neon_Chaos]

It would be interesting to see if Thomkal places his vote on Cronin, and vice versa. Or if they consider the other to be the "wrong" vote.

[Lathum]

Narcizo. I havent read past this yet but I wanted to clarify. He said he could do this once a day. Thus a kill everyday if someone votes fo him.

Well assuming you are telling the truth this throws Alant's theory out the window.

[SnDvls]

Well Cronin is the correct vote then if you feel Alan is right about his hunches about me and him after he was right about Ardent yesterday.

this makes me want to vote you....if you believe this so strongly then vote already

[Thomkal]

ask and you shall receive Neon. I trust Alan's hunches so far in this game.

VOTE ST. CRONIN

[hoopsguy]

I know it is strange for a hero to be diverted by a conference call, but such is corporate life. I'll likely be lurking when opportunity presents, but I'm not sure how active I'll be going up to the deadline.

[Neon_Chaos]

ask and you shall receive Neon. I trust Alan's hunches so far in this game.

VOTE ST. CRONIN

I sure feel safe that you're basing all your votes on hunches.

[Thomkal]

And like yesterday I offer to reveal if it will help convince people I'm good.

[Thomkal]

I sure feel safe that you're basing all your votes on hunches.

If I based all my votes on hunches right now, I'd be voting for you for so doggedly pursuing me. Because if I am voted out, you are going to look very bad.

[Alan T]

And like yesterday I offer to reveal if it will help convince people I'm good.


I'm thinking that the people who are after you aren't going to be happy until either you are dead or you reveal.. and even a reveal doesn't necessarily mean someone is or is not company in this game.

I think reveal or not should be based on the following: Is it worth confirming in my mind and other people's minds who think they picked up on previously and open that window so everyone else can see in so to speak... but risk becoming a target for the company and sylar?

I don't think going to the grave with information is a good idea especially in this game, so at some point you should consider it. I still am feeling you are good based on what my hunch tells me, but a reveal would go a long way to helping me confirm that in my mind. If you are going to reveal, you should probably do so early enough that any bodyguards can use that information to determine if they should guard you or not tonight.

[Alan T]

If I based all my votes on hunches right now, I'd be voting for you for so doggedly pursuing me. Because if I am voted out, you are going to look very bad.


I don't think its very likely that Neon would look bad in any case unless he is Sylar. If there is anybody in the game that is pretty sure fire not company right now, its Neon :) Unless Neon, The Jackyl, AND Ardent were all company.. but that would be a stretch,

[Mr. Wednesday]

My thing with st.cronin is that I can't trust my feelings about him, because I always seem to feel like he's a wolf, even when he isn't.

The mauboy thing isn't going anywhere, so...
UNVOTE mauboy1
VOTE Greyroofoo

[nfg22]

I think alot of people are afraid of getting killed by GRF. Seriously, a guy that can kill one person a day if they vote for him? Add the suppostion that he would also get their powers?(That part GRF would have kept from me). All in all it sounds like a Sylar to me.

[Neon_Chaos]

I believe it's a tied vote between St.Cro and Greyfuroorufoo?

[DaddyTorgo]

a 4-way tie? what a fustercluck

in other news - games with 1pm deadlines are horrible for my work-productivity

[Neon_Chaos]

a 4-way tie? what a fustercluck

in other news - games with 1pm deadlines are horrible for my work-productivity

...and my sleep...

[claphamsa]

Thats how the 10 pm games are for me..... this is far preferabel :D

[nfg22]

GRF, do you have anything to say?

[Barkeep49]

This is for Barkeep since he didn't answer it the 1st time I'll ask again

I wasn't around. How can you expect me to answer the first time you ask a question, when 15 minutes later I haven't been around? Sheesh. I'm back on now.

As for the content of your question, I thought we got more details about olie's death than we really did. You are correct that it could have been Sylar.

[Greyroofoo]

vote cronin

obviously to save my skin

yes, I can kill a person who votes for me, and I can pm freely with nfg22, and i distrust him as strongly as he distrusts me.

[Greyroofoo]

still trying to get caught up though

[Neon_Chaos]

Greyroofoo is here.

IT'S GREYROOFOO.

GRF.

:)

[Greyroofoo]

GFR. :mad:

God's Sake!

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thomkal]

Okay then here's my reveal:

I am DL Hawkins, and I am a hero.

Just like on the show, I have the ability to phase through walls and solid objects. I can use this ability to spy on people. I also have something else I can do with it, but I feel it best not to reveal it at this time. It's a pretty logical extension though of what someone with phase abilities can do. It is not an attack power.

Pass used the spy power on night 1 and picked NTNdeacon to look at. I believe because NTN voted for him that day. Sadly he got there too late and only saw his body, which sucks. I used my other ability last night. I was hoping not to reveal until I had some good spy info for you but there you go.

[SnDvls]

I wasn't around. How can you expect me to answer the first time you ask a question, when 15 minutes later I haven't been around? Sheesh. I'm back on now.

As for the content of your question, I thought we got more details about olie's death than we really did. You are correct that it could have been Sylar.

chill....I reposted it so you would see it and then answer it "k"

thanks

p.s. when I asked it you were around "in thread"

[Barkeep49]

chill....I reposted it so you would see it and then answer it "k"

thanks

p.s. when I asked it you were around "in thread"

It's been a mind killing morning. I've been teaching since 9:30 so the board must have just kept me logged in when you saw me around.

[Barkeep49]

Anyone have a vote count?

[Alan T]

Okay then here's my reveal:

I am DL Hawkins, and I am a hero.

Just like on the show, I have the ability to phase through walls and solid objects. I can use this ability to spy on people. I also have something else I can do with it, but I feel it best not to reveal it at this time. It's a pretty logical extension though of what someone with phase abilities can do. It is not an attack power.

Pass used the spy power on night 1 and picked NTNdeacon to look at. I believe because NTN voted for him that day. Sadly he got there too late and only saw his body, which sucks. I used my other ability last night. I was hoping not to reveal until I had some good spy info for you but there you go.


Well, good or bad for you.. This isn't what I expected to hear you say. :) Even though I read into somethings incorrectly, I still like my choice of candidate better than you today!

[Barkeep49]

I don't think I'm going to fight too hard to avoid getting lynched. I'm pretty confident that someone else has my same role, or perhaps an even more powerful version of my role. My role is a standard WW role, and a very useful one of the village, but like I said it's somewhat muted this game so if we're going to lynch a villager I'm not the worst one to lynch. Shame to lynch a villager though.

If possible, via vote switching, I will save myself since I know I'm good.

[Barkeep49]

I've never quite understood this whole Thomkal suspicion. Seems like people got mentally fixed on Pass being bad and have just "found" evidence to support it when there is equal evidence suggesting otherwise.

[jeheinz72]

St. Cronin (5): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072)
Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064)
Barkeep49 (3): path12 (859), SnDvls (971), Lathum (1047)
Thomkal (3): hoopsguy (1040), Neon Chaos (1045), claphamsa (1046)
Mr. Wednesday (2) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (2): nfg22, mauboy1

[Thomkal]

Well, good or bad for you.. This isn't what I expected to hear you say. :) Even though I read into somethings incorrectly, I still like my choice of candidate better than you today!

Heh that figures. I think Pass though was trying to hint to you who he was when you had the discussion about characters with spy powers, which is why I thought you had figured it out.

[Barkeep49]

Thanks for the count JH.

[Thomkal]

So if you believe my reveal some protection would be helpful as I plan on spying tonight.

[claphamsa]

unvote thomkil
vote cronin!

[claphamsa]

Dunno if I belive the reveal, but well switch for now:)

[SnDvls]

wonder what Mauboy & nfg are waiting for

[Thomkal]

Jeheinz, just sent you a question via PM.

[Greyroofoo]

since i was outed, if I survive this lynching is there anyone the board would like see killed?

[SnDvls]

dola - pile on votes? hmmmmm

[Alan T]

wonder what Mauboy & nfg are waiting for


You would be able to blow me over with a feather if nfg doesn't vote for grey. I'm curious to see if there are any other switches though.

[Barkeep49]

since i was outed, if I survive this lynching is there anyone the board would like see killed?
Not me.

[Alan T]

You would be able to blow me over with a feather if nfg doesn't vote for grey. I'm curious to see if there are any other switches though.

Dola, even though I might be wrong on that because grey already said that he and nfg arent getting along, and if nfg votes for him he might be the likely target.. so if NFG and cronin are wolves, he might be trying to see an alternate way out

[hoopsguy]

So far we are up to three characters with spy powers - Thomkal (DL), SnDvls (Ando), and West (Olie).

Alan also appears to have some sort of ability that targets people.
I've got the ability to target someone to determine if they are a given individual.

I would be more skeptical of this if there weren't multiple reveals with PM rights while I've also got PM potential.

UNVOTE THOMKAL

[Neon_Chaos]

It's now 6 votes Cronin, 4 votes GRF, 3 votes BK, 2 votes Thomkal.

[Neon_Chaos]

scratch that, 0 votes Thomkal.

Thomkal, if you do indeed have spy powers for tonight, I hope you get protection.

Unvote Thomkal

The St.Cro vote is looking like a run-off.

[jeheinz72]

St. Cronin (6): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087)
Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064)
Barkeep49 (3): path12 (859), SnDvls (971), Lathum (1047)
Mr. Wednesday (2) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (4): nfg22, mauboy1, hoops (1096), Neon (1098)

[SnDvls]

20 mins. the wolves are scrambling now

[jeheinz72]

Just a reminder, no vote = no night action.

[hoopsguy]

Well, I can put a vote on Cronin to put him up three votes - he was the other person I was weighing between when casting my earlier vote. Or I can go after another person with votes who is further back, but I'm not inclined to vote for Grey at this point.

I'll go with MrW, as I think he had one of the worst votes yesterday. I don't have a particularly strong feeling on him, but it is a smidge stronger than my Barkeep sentiment right now.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

[nfg22]

Since I dont want to be killed by GRF and it seems you guys dont think my evidence is enough.

Vote St. Cronin

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to try and stick around for the deadline today - conference call is over.

[The Jackal]

FYI, I'm just catching up now.. lots of pages.

[mauchow]

Okay, I've spent about an hour or so now catching up on stuff. I was four pages behind, thanks to being called into work to make a quick $100.

Anyways, my vote is:

vote mr wednsday

[Neon_Chaos]

Okay, I've spent about an hour or so now catching up on stuff. I was four pages behind, thanks to being called into work to make a quick $100.

Anyways, my vote is:

vote mr wednsday

What the heck do you do? :eek:

[Neon_Chaos]

jeheinz, vote count?

[SnDvls]

UNVOTE BARKEEP
VOTE ST. CRONIN

I'm not thrilled with this vote, but I'm not going to let the company try to make it a one vote race either.

[SnDvls]

What the heck do you do? :eek:

lady of the street?

[jeheinz72]

St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), Cronin (1109)
Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064)
Mr. Wednesday (4) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106)
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

[Neon_Chaos]

I have it at

Cronin - 7
GRF - 4
Mr.W - 4
Bk - 3

and the lone Schmidty vote.

is this correct?

[Alan T]

St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), Cronin (1109)
Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064)
Mr. Wednesday (4) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106)
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (1): Neon (1098)


For posterity sakes, vote 1109 on Cronin is from Sndvls

[DaddyTorgo]

St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), Cronin (1109)
Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064)
Mr. Wednesday (4) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106)
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

sndvls voted cronin in 1109, not cronin voting cronin

[SnDvls]

I have it at

Cronin - 7
GRF - 4
Mr.W - 4
Bk - 3

and the lone Schmidty vote.

is this correct?

it was just before I moved yes

[mauchow]

I was hoping it would be a worthy vote but it seems Cronin is already the run-away. My suspicions of Mr. W are the same as hoops. He made the vote a +2 yesterday before all the votes were in so he could blend in... and he definitely blended in.

Beyond that, I don't have much to go off. I don't believe anybody should be voting for Greyroofoo based on the Ollie stuff. And Thomkal should not have revealed himself. I wish I could've been in this thread earlier to basically harp on the fact that he's a good guy. I believed him to be good somewhere on page 20 I believe. .maybe it was 21, all the pages seems to go together when you read it straight through.

I'll try to make more sense if I've got some extra time today by going back and putting together my reasonings.

Anyways, my vote was for Mr W as stated in my previous post.

[Neon_Chaos]

I suddenly have that horrible feeling that St.Cronin is a good guy.

[jeheinz72]

Good eye gents

St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), SnDvls (1109)
Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064)
Mr. Wednesday (4) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106)
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

[Barkeep49]

JH: SnDvls voted for cronin in 1109 not cronin.

Can someone recap the case against cronin? I've understood the cases against me, Grey, MR. W and thomkal far more (even schmidty I've understood more).

[Greyroofoo]

I suddenly have that horrible feeling that St.Cronin is a good guy.

ditto

[mauchow]

I don't mind the Cronin vote at all, I almost did vote for him.

[Barkeep49]

I suddenly have that horrible feeling that St.Cronin is a good guy.
Then place your vote elsewhere.

[Barkeep49]

ditto
Then come join us on Mr. W.

[mauchow]

If you've got a feeling he's good. Why not switch? Doesn't make sense. I have a bigger feeling on Mr W but I wasn't going to votee Cronin because it seemed like everyone was.

[SnDvls]

Then place your vote elsewhere.

my elsewhere is you ;)

but honestly I think we'll get some good analysis if he's good IMO

back to your broken eggs theory BK

[mauchow]

Getting a vote on Mr W from roofoo and Neon would still get a lynched Cronin. But it makes things a lot more interesting.

[Barkeep49]

my elsewhere is you ;)

but honestly I think we'll get some good analysis if he's good IMO

back to your broken eggs theory BK
Can you recap why you think he's bad?

And what do you think we learn from his death?

[hoopsguy]

The case on Cronin is that he was putting the early vote on Ardent but wasn't able to get his vote off of him late without attracting attention. He had a couple of posts down the stretch that could be construed as trying to influence people to vote for someone besides the person he was voting for in the thread.

It is an argument that you would make against an experienced player, not a new player.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Since there's even a mention of a move onto me, I'm making a defensive vote.
UNVOTE Greyroofoo
VOTE st.cronin

[Greyroofoo]

Then come join us on Mr. W.

fine, though its probably a mistake by me
lynching me probably wouldn't be all that bad since it'd keep my power out of sylar's hands. I'm not gonna try to kill anyone tonight.

unvote cronin
vote Mr. W

I gotta get back to work now

[mauchow]

I'm hungry, dang it. But I don't want to miss the last seven minutes.

[Neon_Chaos]

Getting a vote on Mr W from roofoo and Neon would still get a lynched Cronin. But it makes things a lot more interesting.

:)

[Barkeep49]

my elsewhere is you ;)

but honestly I think we'll get some good analysis if he's good IMO

back to your broken eggs theory BK
Also why not place you vote on me? Go down on the record saying you think I'm bad. That way if I were to turn up bad later you'd have evidence of being right again. Of course when I turn up good later you'll look foolish, but establish the record, with your vote, of what you thought at the time.

[Alan T]

The case on Cronin is that he was putting the early vote on Ardent but wasn't able to get his vote off of him late without attracting attention. He had a couple of posts down the stretch that could be construed as trying to influence people to vote for someone besides the person he was voting for in the thread.

It is an argument that you would make against an experienced player, not a new player.

In addition, the reason I pushed Ardent the day before was his interaction with Cronin.. Cronin kept tossing out the whats up with Pass/Alan thing, which Ardent didn't comment on but then voted on without any reason despite the fact that Cronin had voted for Ardent both days.

its just the type of interplay I would expect if Ardent and Cronin are wolves. So if Cronin and Ardent are wolves, I'm really smart. if cronin isn't a wolf, then I just got lucky yesterday.

[mauchow]

Figured W would switch so no this seals the deal on Cronin unless Neon votes W and one more switches.

[Barkeep49]

The case on Cronin is that he was putting the early vote on Ardent but wasn't able to get his vote off of him late without attracting attention. He had a couple of posts down the stretch that could be construed as trying to influence people to vote for someone besides the person he was voting for in the thread.

It is an argument that you would make against an experienced player, not a new player.
Seems weak, but I understand it. Too bad cronin wasn't around to defend himself today cause I think we'd be lynching elsewhere (perhaps even me) if he had been.

[jeheinz72]

St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), SnDvls (1109), Mr. W (1129)
Mr. Wednesday (5) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106), Greyroofoo (1130)
Greyfooroo (3): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010),
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

[Alan T]

Seems weak, but I understand it. Too bad cronin wasn't around to defend himself today cause I think we'd be lynching elsewhere (perhaps even me) if he had been.


This is the same "defense" that you and Cronin both used for Ardent yesterday...

Just saying

[mauchow]

Seems weak, but I understand it. Too bad cronin wasn't around to defend himself today cause I think we'd be lynching elsewhere (perhaps even me) if he had been.

ditto.

[jeheinz72]

4 minute warning.

[Alan T]

4 minute warning.


Time to get the no huddle offense going.

[Barkeep49]

This is the same "defense" that you and Cronin both used for Ardent yesterday...

Just saying
You better believe I'm not a fan of this continually lynching players who aren't around to defend themselves, and have stated as much. I think it gives rise to people lying about their availabilities.

[Neon_Chaos]

Nail in the coffin vote, I guess.

I did hope we'd have a close vote tonight between two candidates, but the late landslide on Cronin was too much to overcome.

Vote St.Cronin

[mauchow]

Yep, it makes it easy for wolves to go after such player.

[The Jackal]

Well, it seems like this is cronin's day. No real point in changing my vote.. I'll keep an eye on you GRF (is that right? ;)) but I'm content with seeing what cronin's all about.

[The Jackal]

You better believe I'm not a fan of this continually lynching players who aren't around to defend themselves, and have stated as much. I think it gives rise to people lying about their availabilities.

I hate it when people lie about things like that, it should be illegal as a werewolf play.. but that'd be pretty hard to enforce. There's too many friendships to not give people the benefit of the doubt in those situations, and that screws with WW games.

[The Jackal]

Time to get the no huddle offense going.

triple reverse, do it

[Barkeep49]

I hate it when people lie about things like that, it should be illegal as a werewolf play.. but that'd be pretty hard to enforce. There's too many friendships to not give people the benefit of the doubt in those situations, and that screws with WW games.
Oh I agree that it's unethical behavior. I just think we create an incentive to lie when we repeatedly lynch people who say that they're going to be away. Your damned if you don't state that you're away cause then you're ignoring questions, and you're damned if you do since then you become easy pickings.

[jeheinz72]

Deadline.

[Alan T]

Jeheinz, you need to tell your family that they will just have to wait for a bit. you have important "work" to do for about 20 minutes.

[Barkeep49]

While we wait for lynch results I have a trivia question:

What record has this game set?

[jeheinz72]

Votes as they were cast

St. Cronin (9): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), SnDvls (1109), Mr. W (1129), Neon (1149)
Mr. Wednesday (5) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106), Greyroofoo (1130)
Greyfooroo (3): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010),
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

[The Jackal]

Oh I agree that it's unethical behavior. I just think we create an incentive to lie when we repeatedly lynch people who say that they're going to be away. Your damned if you don't state that you're away cause then you're ignoring questions, and you're damned if you do since then you become easy pickings.

Damn double-edged swords. They're so sharp.

[The Jackal]

While we wait for lynch results I have a trivia question:

What record has this game set?

Fastest to 1000 posts? Just guessing, but there have been a crapload of games.

[Alan T]

While we wait for lynch results I have a trivia question:

What record has this game set?

I am hoping its set the record for the most hunches of mine being right in a game at 2!

[jeheinz72]

While we wait for lynch results I have a trivia question:

What record has this game set?

Most Kickassingest GM ever I'm sure.

[Neon_Chaos]

While we wait for lynch results I have a trivia question:

What record has this game set?

Most players in a thread during deadline?

[mauchow]

While we wait for lynch results I have a trivia question:

What record has this game set?

Most posts in one thread before noon?

[Alan T]

Most Kickassingest GM ever I'm sure.


Stop fratenizing and work on results!

[SnDvls]

While we wait for lynch results I have a trivia question:

What record has this game set?

most times having a quote quoted

[hoopsguy]

Most posts deleted by mod due to board werdness?

[Alan T]

The most times Hoopsguy has been hit on in a WW game?

[hoopsguy]

By the way, look for late movement away from Grey as the wolves fled the potential retribution kill.

[hoopsguy]

Another random thought - no one has mentioned the possibility of a Company conversion as an explanation for lack of kills.

[jeheinz72]

Again the action is fast and furious, first starting with a wide net before it consolidates upon a few of you all-powerful beings. In the end, one horse pulls away and it is decided that St. Cronin is working for the company, and must pay the price.

He cries out "But...but...I'm just a good doctor. Trying to help you people live and learn to CONTROL your powers. They, the Company, they told me I'd be helping people, I didn't know what I was getting into".

What that, he falls to the ground in convulsion for a few seconds and then it's over. His heart gives out and he's gone.

St. Cronin was Mohinder Suresh, and he was working for the Company!



Mohinder Suresh
<O:p

Power: You, the good doctor, have no supernatural ability, but you know the Heroes powers very well. Each night you can choose one of your fellow Company members, to lessen the likelihood of a power used upon them working. The effect is not necessarily always a success.

I'm going to work on Night actions now, but it may take a bit of time if the fam shows up mid-stream

[The Jackal]

Another random thought - no one has mentioned the possibility of a Company conversion as an explanation for lack of kills.

Any of the heroes in the show have that kind of power?

[Alan T]

In case I'm night killed... I think the next person I want to look at is Schmidty.. I don't feel as strongly about him as Cronin.. but that is where Im looking next.

[claphamsa]

WSOWOOO

[The Jackal]

Alan = 2/2

[Neon_Chaos]

Wow.

[Barkeep49]

Good job. I'm sucking this game.

[Barkeep49]

Answer to trivia question.

This game has the most deleted posts with 18. The previous record holder was Schmidty's The Thing with 15

[hoopsguy]

Alan, congrats on having a great game so far.

[Thomkal]

Its a good thing I trusted Alan's hunches I guess. Way to go Alan!

[Alan T]

This is the point in the game where I become overconfident and start leading us down the path of complete destruction..


BTW, regarding my last post, Im not confident at all about schmidty.. he just has intrigued me.. I dont think I'll push a vote on him just yet.. If anyone wants any more of my hunches right now its that NFG is company and barkeep is sylar...

But I rarely go 2/2 on hunches, so the chances of going 3/3 or 4/4 is really tiny. You might want to stop listening to me at this point :)

[SnDvls]

Answer to trivia question.

This game has the most deleted posts with 18. The previous record holder was Schmidty's The Thing with 15

I liked my answer better;)

[Alan T]

Dola, in fact the company might do me a favor if they night kill me now, so it will be remembered what a good game I've had and i won't have time to ruin it!

[claphamsa]

This is the point in the game where I become overconfident and start leading us down the path of complete destruction..


BTW, regarding my last post, Im not confident at all about schmidty.. he just has intrigued me.. I dont think I'll push a vote on him just yet.. If anyone wants any more of my hunches right now its that NFG is company and barkeep is sylar...

But I rarely go 2/2 on hunches, so the chances of going 3/3 or 4/4 is really tiny. You might want to stop listening to me at this point :)
at least you are honest...

[SnDvls]

this has to be killing the company with 2 lynches in a row taking them out and basically getting a 1 for 1 trade on night kills with them.

I'm so glad I'm not a wolf this game...it would almost be panic mode

[The Jackal]

this has to be killing the company with 2 lynches in a row taking them out and basically getting a 1 for 1 trade on night kills with them.

I'm so glad I'm not a wolf this game...it would almost be panic mode

like when your ass was converted last game and BK disappeared for the entire day? ;)

[The Jackal]

I'm intrigued to see what happens with the night actions, very possible we could see two dead. Wouldn't it be awesome if Sylar nailed a company member?

[Passacaglia]

Oh I agree that it's unethical behavior. I just think we create an incentive to lie when we repeatedly lynch people who say that they're going to be away. Your damned if you don't state that you're away cause then you're ignoring questions, and you're damned if you do since then you become easy pickings.

I think the problem, however, is that we're willing to give people a pass just because they say they'll be gone. If a player suspects someone of being a wolf, why should they wait until that player is around to vote for them? Other than a reveal, the most likely defense you'd get was "I don't know what to tell you, but I'm not a wolf."

If we don't care who's around when, and just vote for who we think is most likely to be a wolf, whenever is convenient for the voter (not the votee), then none of this will matter. If someone gets voted out, and might have been able to say something that would have got him out of it -- then whatever, it's just a game.

Personally, the only time I think it matters if someone is out or not, or says anything about when they're out, is if it's early in the game and the entire argument against that person is that they haven't checked in, or have been quiet -- and even the quiet argument still applies in my mind, since a vote for someone under the radar reduces the...uh..."total unknownness" of the player set.

[SnDvls]

like when your ass was converted last game and BK disappeared for the entire day? ;)

glad that was you and not me :D

I at least could still win :D

[Barkeep49]

I think the problem, however, is that we're willing to give people a pass just because they say they'll be gone. If a player suspects someone of being a wolf, why should they wait until that player is around to vote for them? Other than a reveal, the most likely defense you'd get was "I don't know what to tell you, but I'm not a wolf."

If we don't care who's around when, and just vote for who we think is most likely to be a wolf, whenever is convenient for the voter (not the votee), then none of this will matter. If someone gets voted out, and might have been able to say something that would have got him out of it -- then whatever, it's just a game.

Personally, the only time I think it matters if someone is out or not, or says anything about when they're out, is if it's early in the game and the entire argument against that person is that they haven't checked in, or have been quiet -- and even the quiet argument still applies in my mind, since a vote for someone under the radar reduces the...uh..."total unknownness" of the player set.
I think we do the reverse far more often. It seems like at least once again we've been lynching someone on an early day when they said they'd be gone all day.

[Barkeep49]

That should be "at least once a game"

[SnDvls]

this game I think it was just happened that way I don't think St. C or AE were targeted...if they were Chief should be looking out.

[Alan T]

I think we do the reverse far more often. It seems like at least once again we've been lynching someone on an early day when they said they'd be gone all day.

I can't speak for everyone else, but both in Ardent and Cronin's case, I'm pretty sure that their availability didn't matter to me and I doubt they would have convinced me to move my vote.. I'm pretty stubborn headed.

I understand what your point is, and I often have issues with people voting for Chief Rum on day 1 or 2 knowing he isnt usually around mondays or tuesdays.. but for the most part I think I agree with Pass.

This probably is a better discussion to have as a seperate thread and not part of this game though..

[claphamsa]

I got lynched on my other board and I was accused of being "Conviniently away" at a 1130 PM hockey game.....

I never pay attention to if people say they will be around!

[Passacaglia]

I think we do the reverse far more often. It seems like at least once again we've been lynching someone on an early day when they said they'd be gone all day.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'the reverse' -- but my point was that I don't think it should be a requirement for someone to be here in order to be lynched. I think it's a cheesy way to not get voted out, whether you're telling the truth or not. I'm not sure what you mean by 'an early day' but I think even by Day 2, we're good -- there's a voting history there, and the person in trouble can either defend himself or not -- it's not up to the rest of the community to help in defending him. Someone's gotta die (in most cases), and if you didn't get a chance to defend yourself the day you get voted, I guess you should have been more careful before you left for the day. I think one person dying without a chance to defend himself is less important than several other people having to alter the way they play in order to accommodate him.

[Narcizo]

This is the point in the game where I become overconfident and start leading us down the path of complete destruction..


The similarities between this game and the Big City game are rather striking. And, given the end result, rather worrying.

[Narcizo]

I think people need to think carefully about revealing what powers they have if Sylar is able to absorb powers somehow. I'm thinking (for example) that if anyone has a duke role they shouldn't bring it up before a lynch, take the lynch and use your duke - don't reveal it before hand. The same can be said for Grey's power. If (as it appears) Sylar only has a limited kill ability, he'd be very happy to have Grey's power as well.

[The Jackal]

I think people need to think carefully about revealing what powers they have if Sylar is able to absorb powers somehow. I'm thinking (for example) that if anyone has a duke role they shouldn't bring it up before a lynch, take the lynch and use your duke - don't reveal it before hand. The same can be said for Grey's power. If (as it appears) Sylar only has a limited kill ability, he'd be very happy to have Grey's power as well.

Especially when people aren't under pressure to reveal.. don't help Sylar out..

[The Jackal]

Clearly we aren't as important to JH as his family. :rolleyes:

[jeheinz72]

Night Three Results

Man, that whole thing with the Doc was crazy. But in the end, you're happy that another Company worker is dead. You sleep pretty well, get up, and make some eggs. Nothing much on TV, just some sports news and election coverage. Must be a slow day around the world...

Day/Night 4 has begun, voting and night action deadline is 1 PM EST on Friday, 3/7.

[jeheinz72]

Clearly we aren't as important to JH as his family. :rolleyes:

You aren't, but I was able to mostly finish nonetheless. The small stuff (player list and thread title) I'll do in a bit.

[The Jackal]

You aren't, but I was able to mostly finish nonetheless. The small stuff (player list and thread title) I'll do in a bit.

I was joking, of course your family is more important. :D

[The Jackal]

So, that seems like a pretty good night result. Means..

1, there was a conversion

2, someone blocked a company member's night action

3, someone will die during the day phase instead of the night phase?

If I've missed something, please do expand.

And if someone blocked an action.. might want to step forward.

[mauchow]

Nobody died!? What a relief! The company has just took another huge hit. Bwhahaha!!

Time to move onto day four.

[mauchow]

That's true, Jackal, on point #1. I kinda forgot about that.

I'm so surprised there has been lack of night kills considering it seems like there would be a possibility of two each night.

Hopefully the trend continues where the Company gets PWND!

[The Jackal]

It's still quite weird. Unless someone comes forward about blocking a night action, I think we have to assume there's some tomfoolery going on.

Is it possible that cronin was the person doing the night kill and the wolves had no conditional? Seems unlikely, since cronin has been up there in the vote count for a while.

[Lathum]

OK, I have some info coming

[The Jackal]

OK, I have some info coming

Sweet nectar.

[Thomkal]

well I chose to spy on grey last night as he was the other person in danger of being voted out at the time I sent my order in. Unfortunately I believe I am the victim of the same person who sent Alan that Viagra ad. It wasn't a Viagra ad, but something to increase their sexual sensations in bed. Then it went on to some other weird stuff. I have no idea if it means anything in the game or not. Probably not I guess, just a quirky way of saying my power was blocked. There is a chance of my powers failing, and its possible that could have happened here too.

[The Jackal]

So, let me get this straight.

Alan targeted hoops, and Thomkal targeted GRF, and you got similar messages?

[Lathum]

I am Micah. One of my abilities is every other night I can talk to someones computer and basicly get the last PM they sent.

I spoke to nfg22's, something just didn't feel right about his reveal. Without a direct quote of his PM it basicly said

The GRF plan backfired bigtime, the way things are going it looks like you are on your own.

If this is too close I'm sorry JeHeinze.

I wasn't told who the pm was sent to I was just able to look at a copy of it basicly.

[Thomkal]

It appears that way Jackal from what I got.

[Lathum]

vote nfg22

[Lathum]

I am Micah. One of my abilities is every other night I can talk to someones computer and basicly get the last PM they sent.

I spoke to nfg22's, something just didn't feel right about his reveal. Without a direct quote of his PM it basicly said

The GRF plan backfired bigtime, the way things are going it looks like you are on your own.

If this is too close I'm sorry JeHeinze.

I wasn't told who the pm was sent to I was just able to look at a copy of it basicly.

I didn't do a great job seperating what he said from the rest. The jist of the PM is bolded.

[The Jackal]

I am Micah. One of my abilities is every other night I can talk to someones computer and basicly get the last PM they sent.

I spoke to nfg22's, something just didn't feel right about his reveal. Without a direct quote of his PM it basicly said

The GRF plan backfired bigtime, the way things are going it looks like you are on your own.

If this is too close I'm sorry JeHeinze.

I wasn't told who the pm was sent to I was just able to look at a copy of it basicly.

Hmmm. NG and CR on the same team, possibly?

[claphamsa]

vtoe ngf

[The Jackal]

At this point, I'm willing to believe what Lathum has said. Plenty of hours left in the day for discussion.

Vote NFG

[claphamsa]

and its officially a runnaway.. woooooo

[Narcizo]

Well this all seems to be too good to be true.

With two company men down is it too soon to start talking about a name reveal to flush out Sylar? I remember somebody mentioning that it was a path we might want to go down if we had got some people in the Company. On the other hand with 19 people left in the game I guess it's not something we have to hurry into at the moment.

Maybe Sylar's reformed and is sitting somewhere repairing watches.

[Thomkal]

I am Micah. One of my abilities is every other night I can talk to someones computer and basicly get the last PM they sent.

I spoke to nfg22's, something just didn't feel right about his reveal. Without a direct quote of his PM it basicly said

The GRF plan backfired bigtime, the way things are going it looks like you are on your own.

If this is too close I'm sorry JeHeinze.

I wasn't told who the pm was sent to I was just able to look at a copy of it basicly.

Hello son!

[Thomkal]

VOTE NFG22

[claphamsa]

huh?

[claphamsa]

That huh was for the son post

[The Jackal]

Is DL Hawkins the father of Micah Sanders? Hell if I know.

[Thomkal]

Is DL Hawkins the father of Micah Sanders? Hell if I know.

Yes he is sorry should have been more clear for the Heroes uneducated. :)

[The Jackal]

In terms of reveals, here are the people I have in my notes. Am I missing anyone?


Cronin - Mohinder
SnDvls - Ando
NFG - Dad Parkman
Chief - Son Parkman
Hoops - Claire Bennet

Thomkal - DL Hawkins
Lathum - Micah Sanders

I didn't see if you updated for Thomkal, hoops, but I think this is up to date.

[Lathum]

Is DL Hawkins the father of Micah Sanders? Hell if I know.

yes

[Lathum]

Well this all seems to be too good to be true.

With two company men down is it too soon to start talking about a name reveal to flush out Sylar? I remember somebody mentioning that it was a path we might want to go down if we had got some people in the Company. On the other hand with 19 people left in the game I guess it's not something we have to hurry into at the moment.

Maybe Sylar's reformed and is sitting somewhere repairing watches.

I agree it's pretty lucky, but we got very lucky lynching Cronin and Ardent with no real info.

[The Jackal]

Yes he is sorry should have been more clear for the Heroes uneducated. :)

Figured.

I want to clarify some things with CR. You may have already answered this, but let's get it back out here on day 4:

Olie told you she was in contact with two people, yes? And did she tell you if GRF was in fact one of them?

[The Jackal]

Now that I'm thinking about my above post, I'm just confusing myself even more. If you could lay out the exact situation between you/olie/nfg/grf for us again, CR, that would be helpful.

Or if someone else remembers what they had said, that works too. I guess I could go and look for quotes..

[mauchow]

This game is completely falling apart for the Company if this is true. If it isn't true, we don't lose much as far as time goes since we could just axe lathum if this doesn't work out. It'd be a silly move from a wolves perspective so I'm happy to give this a whirl.

vote nfg

[Narcizo]

I am Micah. One of my abilities is every other night I can talk to someones computer and basicly get the last PM they sent.

I spoke to nfg22's, something just didn't feel right about his reveal. Without a direct quote of his PM it basicly said

The GRF plan backfired bigtime, the way things are going it looks like you are on your own.

If this is too close I'm sorry JeHeinze.

I wasn't told who the pm was sent to I was just able to look at a copy of it basicly.

Well this is all going swimmingly then. One question that I don't understand though.

This looks like a private message between two wolves. How would JeHeinze have access to that PM? The time I played wolf we only directed questions and orders to the GM, if we had to cc every bit of dialogue we had with each other the GM's inbox would have exploded. And why would nfg think that whoever else it is would be on their own.

Happy to join the lynch bandwagon but I just find this a bit odd is all.

[Alan T]

Lathum, I wasn't going to reveal my info until something like your reveal came out..

For whatever its worth, I spied on Schmidty last night.. He was very interested in someone that was in an internet cafe checking "email".

I'm assuming that you were the one in the internet cafe, which means Schmidty chose to do something in relations to you last night. No idea what.

[The Jackal]

Well this is all going swimmingly then. One question that I don't understand though.

This looks like a private message between two wolves. How would JeHeinze have access to that PM? The time I played wolf we only directed questions and orders to the GM, if we had to cc every bit of dialogue we had with each other the GM's inbox would have exploded. And why would nfg think that whoever else it is would be on their own.

Happy to join the lynch bandwagon but I just find this a bit odd is all.

That's a good point.

[The Jackal]

I can't find the whole nfg/CR thing and I've been on the forum for almost two hours now so it's all starting to blend together. I'll let someone else quote it up or just let one of those two people remind me exactly what the links were, as it may help shine some light on who NFG was talking to.

[The Jackal]

Lathum, I wasn't going to reveal my info until something like your reveal came out..

For whatever its worth, I spied on Schmidty last night.. He was very interested in someone that was in an internet cafe checking "email".

I'm assuming that you were the one in the internet cafe, which means Schmidty chose to do something in relations to you last night. No idea what.

Certainly increases your suspicion on Schmidty, doesn't it.

[Alan T]

Certainly increases your suspicion on Schmidty, doesn't it.


Well.. call it the conspiracy theorist in me here.. but the thought running through my head is this:

1) Schmidty converts Lathum
2) Lathum and them decide that I'm already gunning for NFG, so time to sell him down the river to build trust..
3) Lathum's reveal that seems to have some holes regarding the wolf to wolf PMs.



Like I said though, it might be time for people to stop listening to my hunches.. I'm just giving my thoughts about what happened last night.

[Lathum]

Well this is all going swimmingly then. One question that I don't understand though.

This looks like a private message between two wolves. How would JeHeinze have access to that PM? The time I played wolf we only directed questions and orders to the GM, if we had to cc every bit of dialogue we had with each other the GM's inbox would have exploded. And why would nfg think that whoever else it is would be on their own.

Happy to join the lynch bandwagon but I just find this a bit odd is all.

It's not at all unheard of for a GM to be cc'd on wolf PM's.

[The Jackal]

Well.. call it the conspiracy theorist in me here.. but the thought running through my head is this:

1) Schmidty converts Lathum
2) Lathum and them decide that I'm already gunning for NFG, so time to sell him down the river to build trust..
3) Lathum's reveal that seems to have some holes regarding the wolf to wolf PMs.



Like I said though, it might be time for people to stop listening to my hunches.. I'm just giving my thoughts about what happened last night.

Well, even going by this, NFG would have to be bad, yes? So if we take care of him, we can keep this post in our minds so that Lathum isn't necessarily cleared.

[Alan T]

Well, even going by this, NFG would have to be bad, yes? So if we take care of him, we can keep this post in our minds so that Lathum isn't necessarily cleared.


Good point. I cant argue with going for NFG. Of course a run away on NFG doesn't really tell us much, but at this point with Lathum's reveal I think that is inevitable.

[Lathum]

Well.. call it the conspiracy theorist in me here.. but the thought running through my head is this:

1) Schmidty converts Lathum
2) Lathum and them decide that I'm already gunning for NFG, so time to sell him down the river to build trust..
3) Lathum's reveal that seems to have some holes regarding the wolf to wolf PMs.



Like I said though, it might be time for people to stop listening to my hunches.. I'm just giving my thoughts about what happened last night.

This may be a little meta-gaming but I don't think it's possible to coordinate that since I know I wasn't online at the deadline, I was in spanish class and schmidty usualy is asleep this time of day.

[The Jackal]

Good point. I cant argue with going for NFG. Of course a run away on NFG doesn't really tell us much, but at this point with Lathum's reveal I think that is inevitable.

Who else would you like to put pressure on?

[Narcizo]

Good point. I cant argue with going for NFG. Of course a run away on NFG doesn't really tell us much, but at this point with Lathum's reveal I think that is inevitable.

It's hard to imagine a scenario in which NFG as a villager would have a role that was worth sacrificing another wolf for so, yes, I don't really see any reason not to lynch NFG. Unless he has some explanation for why he would be worth a sacrifice.

[Alan T]

Who else would you like to put pressure on?


I don't think I have a good answer for that. I'm probably going to be voting NFG today, and don't really want to see anyone else lynched to be honest. I think NFG being bad fits really nicely in the big scheme picture in my head of what all is going on here, so I'm hoping that is true.

[Narcizo]

Pretty bad play by the wolves all to try and get something going with the Alan-Pass argument if NFG is bad.

[Lathum]

This may be a little meta-gaming but I don't think it's possible to coordinate that since I know I wasn't online at the deadline, I was in spanish class and schmidty usualy is asleep this time of day.

I can't help but chuckle as I picture Alan in my head all mad scientist trying to come up with a possible answer for this.

[Alan T]

I can't help but chuckle as I picture Alan in my head all mad scientist trying to come up with a possible answer for this.


I actually had an answer for it that I decided not to reply with as I don't know if I'm convinced yet that this is what happened.. its just the crazy theory I came up with. :)

If you are honestly curious to what my reply was going to be that I chose not to say is:

Clearly you are a great wolf in past games and it would be something that you would do all on your own if you felt it was the only way to get out of a poor situation (ie: the other two wolves being NFG and Schmidty)...

I don't think we really need to go down this path just yet today.. its clear NFG is our target today for good or bad, and it gives everyone with powers another chance to choose targets for tonight to look into before we have to make the next tough call.

[jeheinz72]

I was joking, of course your family is more important. :D

Oh I know man, just foolin' with ya

[RendeR]

Ok, I'm around. just FYI in case anyone has questions.

[Alan T]

Ok, I'm around. just FYI in case anyone has questions.

If I'm driving through space in my space-car at the speed of light and turn my headlights on, what happens?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, I don't really see any point to not voting nfg at this point. Even if it's some sort of setup by Lathum (which I don't really believe, but it wouldn't be unheard-of), the upside (taking out another Company member) is much greater than the downside (taking out an innocent sacrifice who may have a useful power).

VOTE nfg22

[RendeR]

a 4-way tie? what a fustercluck

in other news - games with 1pm deadlines are horrible for my work-productivity

If I'm driving through space in my space-car at the speed of light and turn my headlights on, what happens?


If viewed from the exat point of the lighting elements you would see them glow.

If viewed from in front of the car, nothing would change.

If viewed from behind the car nothing would change because you can't see the headlights anyway. You might see a discernable light trail eminating from the tail/parking lights.

[SnDvls]

vote nfg22

[The Jackal]

Fustercluck is a fun word.

[Barkeep49]

I agree that Lathum could definitely throw NFG under the bus and hope to make it on his own. Especially with no kill last night, and no one stepping up with the block, a conversion is possible. Possibly even someone who had been in our mild CoT. That said seems like NFG is the smart way to go today.

Vote NFG

[RendeR]

Is voting nightfall an option heiney?