WW LXXIV Killer Kittens on Mount FujiMori day (GAME OVER- KITTENS WIN)

[PurdueBrad]

Right now then, on me are: St. Cronin, Chief Rum, Alan T.

St. Cronin I think is on me because he feels I spread things out too much with my first vote, which also happened to be on him.

Chief Rum because I drafted poorly

Alan T. because, well, I don't know, but I probably don't want to vote for a guy on his birthday.

I have three very good veteran players on which would make it hard to turn things around on any of them, at least until there is a more defined voting or track record.

[hoopsguy]

Of those three, I think Chief's logic was the most suspect (yes, I get that it is Day 1), followed by Cronin, and Alan (who I pretty much agree with in his viewing the voting dynamic).

But I'm more inclined to look to my list, because I know I'm not a wolf while I suspect you are not. I also think the vote/unvote stuff with Heinz + Eagle is considerably more suspect than Cronin.

I'm also finding it interesting how accomodating you are capable of being with your neck on the line alongside mine Day 1. Usually I find you to be the hardest guy in the room to persuade that my thoughts make sense :)

[jeheinz72]

Hoops (et al) I voted for you because I thought we were headed for a 2-person showdown and people (IIRC Cronin and Lathum) were pushing that we had too many candidates and it was time to consolidate. Given that I'm a kitteh and am more or less voting randomly, I picked between you and PB.

Why you over PB? Just gut really. And I wanted to see where it led us. FTR, it led me to think you're sounding a lot like you did in the Chess game on Day One, when you were a wolf. But that could just be my wishful thinking.

I think given the events I'd be interested in looking at Lathum and Cronin. It's a pretty simple wolf battle plan to be opportunistic and pull the "ok no more new candidates" ploy if the leading vote getters and/or most of the vote getters overall weren't wolves.

Particularly peculiar is Cronin who has always championed the "Vote for who you think is a wolf, vote-count be damned" line of thinking but now says we are too spread out.

[PurdueBrad]

I'll be honest, I have no idea how to even try to get out of a day 1 lynch. I'm a terrible day 1 player, no matter which side I'm on. I argue and base my decisions on what I've seen but on day 1 MOST votes are random, with the wolves at a big advantage of being able to swing things. I feel like all I can say is "I'm good" which just sounds wolfy. How do you argue against "random vote" or "he picked Shie Lebouf"?

Accomodating=lost/desparate at this point! Hell Hoops, if I'm willing to listen to whatever you say, I am in trouble.

[KWhit]

Particularly peculiar is Cronin who has always championed the "Vote for who you think is a wolf, vote-count be damned" line of thinking but now says we are too spread out.

That's a great point. He was all over my ass in one of the earlier games because I did that (voted for one of the two top vote getters).

Where did he make comments the other way in this game? I may have missed it.

If he really is changing his stance like that, he'd be pinging my wolfdar.

[PurdueBrad]

That's a great point. He was all over my ass in one of the earlier games because I did that (voted for one of the two top vote getters).

Where did he make comments the other way in this game? I may have missed it.

If he really is changing his stance like that, he'd be pinging my wolfdar.

To the best of my knowledge hedidn't say it, but he argued for less candidates, I threw my vote out on him actually, and then he immediately unvoted and voted me which got an early snowball going. I am *conjecturing* that that is why he voted for me.

[mccollins]

What's the deal with a throwaway? Why is that viewed as negative?

No one knows who to vote for. I didn't want to vote for hoops or PB because:
1) I think hoops gets a raw deal for being an experienced player, and
2) I became pawn buddies with PB last game.

I didn't want to place a 2nd vote on someone and be the leader driving suspicion on some random person. So I wanted to pick someone who had no vote on them and who also could be a wolf hiding out with their vote on one of the leaders.

So I picked Eagle. I'll switch closer to deadline out of self-preservation if need be.

[Coffee Warlord]

When exactly is the deadline again?

[claphamsa]

FYI, I was right, I am being forced to WORK (the humanity) so anyone wants to keep updates of votes, is appreciated!

[claphamsa]

noon EST

[Passacaglia]

Actually, this line of thinking has heinz pinging my wolfdar. It's Day 1. I know that cronin usually says vote for who you think is a wolf without worrying about vote count, but this is Day 1 -- does anyone really think that someone else is a wolf with more than 20-25% certainty (that's a rhetorical question -- I don't want to get in a probabilities pissing match here)? Too many candidates make it hard to tell who the wolves were trying to save close to deadline. On the other hand, too few candidates means there's a good chance we're villager/villager. I'm not saying we need to consolidate now, but it should probably happen in an hour or so. I see four candidates now -- hoops and PB at 3, mccollins and jeheinz72 at 2. I think candidates with 1 and 0 are still viable at this point, if people want to argue for them.

[KWhit]

ok basicly what i hav argued in mai lolcats is two many cadnidates with just one voat. its two spred out. so i chainged mai voat.

I found it.

His arguments were the exact opposite when he was trying to get me lynched in a previous game.

[Coffee Warlord]

Seriously, totally random vote:
Vote EagleFan

Haven't voted yet: Hoops (said he will), Passacaglia, RendeR

Votes like that relatively late in the voting cycle worry me.

[Passacaglia]

What's the deal with a throwaway? Why is that viewed as negative?

No one knows who to vote for. I didn't want to vote for hoops or PB because:
1) I think hoops gets a raw deal for being an experienced player, and
2) I became pawn buddies with PB last game.

I didn't want to place a 2nd vote on someone and be the leader driving suspicion on some random person. So I wanted to pick someone who had no vote on them and who also could be a wolf hiding out with their vote on one of the leaders.

So I picked Eagle. I'll switch closer to deadline out of self-preservation if need be.

A throwaway is viewed as negative because it looks like you're trying to dodge vote analysis. After each vote, we've got data to look at, and a throwaway vote makes the data point on you useless. It's essentially a "UTR" (that means under the radar, Sea Lion) strategy.

[Passacaglia]

That's why I view it as negative, at least.

[KWhit]

Actually, this line of thinking has heinz pinging my wolfdar. It's Day 1. I know that cronin usually says vote for who you think is a wolf without worrying about vote count, but this is Day 1 -- does anyone really think that someone else is a wolf with more than 20-25% certainty (that's a rhetorical question -- I don't want to get in a probabilities pissing match here)? Too many candidates make it hard to tell who the wolves were trying to save close to deadline. On the other hand, too few candidates means there's a good chance we're villager/villager. I'm not saying we need to consolidate now, but it should probably happen in an hour or so. I see four candidates now -- hoops and PB at 3, mccollins and jeheinz72 at 2. I think candidates with 1 and 0 are still viable at this point, if people want to argue for them.

I agree - which was the exact argument I was making against him. I believe (but I'm not positive) that his and my 'discussion' was on a day one also.

[claphamsa]

Hoops- Oliegril #185, Heinze #189, Eagle Fan #203
Perdue Brad- St. Cronin # 174, chief Rum #201, alan T #209
Heizne- Kwhitt #133, Hoops #250
Kwhitt- the Jackyl #140
Olie girl- Coffee warlord #188
Coffee Warlord- Seolian #193
Lathum-Dangerion #204<o></o>
Eaglefan-mccolins #218<o></o>
Mcolloins- PB #232 Lathum #235<o></o>
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[Passacaglia]

clap, any tiebreak rules?

[Coffee Warlord]

By the by, I will likely swing my vote over to one of the top vote getters before the deadline. Just don't know which right now. Hoops and PB are *least* likely to get it for the time being.

[jeheinz72]

Well screw it, I'm willing to see what shakes out, even if for my survival it's probably not wise. I disagree with you Pass, Cronin has said that line multiple times (even in the last 4-5 games) and his tune changes here? It's a tree that's at least worth shaking.

Unvote hoopsguy
Vote St. Cronin

[Passacaglia]

I agree - which was the exact argument I was making against him. I believe (but I'm not positive) that his and my 'discussion' was on a day one also.

I thought it was Day 2. But I'm not even sure what game that was, anymore. Probably mine, but I dunno.

[jeheinz72]

So what's the reason I'm getting votes? I voted hoops earlier and I made a bad pun? If that's it, then I'm ok with that :)

[PurdueBrad]

By the by, I will likely swing my vote over to one of the top vote getters before the deadline. Just don't know which right now. Hoops and PB are *least* likely to get it for the time being.

I appreciate it CW but I've got to be honest, Chief Rum isn't going to be around (IRC), Cronin isn't one to switch, and I don't think Alan will be around, so I'll likely be one of those leaders.

[claphamsa]

clap, any tiebreak rules?

nope!

[PurdueBrad]

So what's the reason I'm getting votes? I voted hoops earlier and I made a bad pun? If that's it, then I'm ok with that :)

Could I get an example of a good pun please?

[claphamsa]

Hoops- Oliegril #185, Eagle Fan #203
Perdue Brad- St. Cronin # 174, chief Rum #201, alan T #209
Heizne- Kwhitt #133, Hoops #250
Kwhitt- the Jackyl #140
Olie girl- Coffee warlord #188
Coffee Warlord- Seolian #193
Lathum-Dangerion #204<o></o>
Eaglefan-mccolins #218<o></o>
Mcolloins- PB #232 Lathum #235
St.Cronin- Heinze #270

[Passacaglia]

nope!

Okay, let me put that another way -- what happens if there is a tie?

[claphamsa]

Okay, let me put that another way -- what happens if there is a tie?

dunno :)

(I do know, but im nto gonna tell ya!)

[Coffee Warlord]

I appreciate it CW but I've got to be honest, Chief Rum isn't going to be around (IRC), Cronin isn't one to switch, and I don't think Alan will be around, so I'll likely be one of those leaders.

If it turns out that way, you might be screwed. I don't wanna force a tie on day 1.

[st.cronin]

I found it.

His arguments were the exact opposite when he was trying to get me lynched in a previous game.

I am sorry that you STILL don't understand the argument I was making against you in that game, which was: That it seemed to me you were trying very hard to make sure you voted for a player who didn't get lynched. I am not sure what that has to do with anything I have said or done in this game.

[hoopsguy]

JE, I voted for you because I didn't understand your unvote on Jackal and vote onto me. There was no explanation offered and I think you usually do think things through. The same held for Eagles, I didn't have much posting from either of you to work with, so I flipped a coin on who to vote for today.

This is the kind of detailed thinking that takes place on Day 1 votes.

That said, I thought it was a better line than voting for PB for self-survival purposes with hours and hours to go. I have no idea if he's a wolf, but I'm not, and turning this into a two-horse race where I know one horse is a kittah didn't seem like the best available option. So I looked for alternatives.

[jeheinz72]

Could I get an example of a good pun please?

Good point!

[mccollins]

I found it.

His arguments were the exact opposite when he was trying to get me lynched in a previous game.

I think Cronin has made that same argument in every game I've played with him. Kinda crazy to go against it so obviously.

Unvote Eaglefan
Vote St. Cronin

[KWhit]

I thought it was Day 2. But I'm not even sure what game that was, anymore. Probably mine, but I dunno.

I can't remember either, but I know that it was very early and there was no real compelling reasons for voting for anyone over anyone else.

[hoopsguy]

I'm currently on the phone with someone, so I'm probably not going to be in the thread too much leading up to the deadline. I'll do my best to monitor events with those constraints and help us make a better decision than voting me off the island.

[jeheinz72]

JE, I voted for you because I didn't understand your unvote on Jackal and vote onto me. There was no explanation offered and I think you usually do think things through. The same held for Eagles, I didn't have much posting from either of you to work with, so I flipped a coin on who to vote for today.

This is the kind of detailed thinking that takes place on Day 1 votes.

That said, I thought it was a better line than voting for PB for self-survival purposes with hours and hours to go. I have no idea if he's a wolf, but I'm not, and turning this into a two-horse race where I know one horse is a kittah didn't seem like the best available option. So I looked for alternatives.

Yeah, I didn't explain just b/c I was in a rush. Often times when I split at 3 (Pacific) I come back in the AM to a horrible looking vote. I sensed people were going to consolidate so I picked a side. I thought that was kinda obvious, but my bad for not explaining that better.

[st.cronin]

I think Cronin has made that same argument in every game I've played with him.

What argument?

[Coffee Warlord]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/30/werevotingfo128566313371126789.jpg

[mccollins]

What argument?
To vote for who you truly think is a wolf no matter what the vote count is.

[KWhit]

I am sorry that you STILL don't understand the argument I was making against you in that game, which was: That it seemed to me you were trying very hard to make sure you voted for a player who didn't get lynched. I am not sure what that has to do with anything I have said or done in this game.

Yeah, I still don't get it because the argument came up when I put my vote on one of the two vote getters - actually putting my vote on someone who was MORE LIKELY to be lynched.

Unvote Jeheinz72
Vote st.cronin

[Coffee Warlord]

As of #290, my count:

Hoops: 2
PB: 3
Heinze: 1
KWhit: 1
Olie: 1
CW: 1
Lathum: 1
Mcollins: 2
Cronin: 3

[st.cronin]

To vote for who you truly think is a wolf no matter what the vote count is.

Hello, that's exactly what I am doing.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, I still don't get it because the argument came up when I put my vote on one of the two vote getters - actually putting my vote on someone who was MORE LIKELY to be lynched.


I suggest you reread that game. I initially phrased my objections to you in a convoluted way, but I explained later in a more clear way. Anyway, I still don't understand what that has to do with this game.

[claphamsa]

Hoops- Oliegril #185, Eagle Fan #203
Perdue Brad- St. Cronin # 174, chief Rum #201, alan T #209
Heizne- Hoops #250
Kwhitt- the Jackyl #140
Olie girl- Coffee warlord #188
Coffee Warlord- Seolian #193
Lathum-Dangerion #204<o></o><o></o>
Mcolloins- PB #232 Lathum #235
St.Cronin- Heinze #270,mccolins #283, Kwhitt #288

[PurdueBrad]

Hello, that's exactly what I am doing.

Then I've got to ask. What happened between post 157 (your vote for Lathum) and 168 (when I voted for you, my only post in that span and that included my every game voting logic) and finally 174 (when you unvoted Lathum and voted me) that caused you to go from Lathum being a wolf to me being a wolf?

[st.cronin]

Nothing more than you voting for me, PB. I don't know that you're a wolf, but at that time you were the only player that I knew was voting for a villager.

If I'm to be the day 1 lynch, so be it. Its been a long time since that happened.

[PurdueBrad]

Nothing more than you voting for me, PB. I don't know that you're a wolf, but at that time you were the only player that I knew was voting for a villager.

If I'm to be the day 1 lynch, so be it. Its been a long time since that happened.

That's fine, I appreciate at least the information. I'm kind of in the same boat with you but I'm not 100% ready to string you up for it yet either.

[PurdueBrad]

but I'm not 100% ready to string you up for it yet either.

Dola (and quoting myself)- Although give me half an hour and that may change quickly for self-defense. I just re-read when deadline was!

[Passacaglia]

VOTE HOOPSGUY

I don't want to make the voting decisions easy for the guys with their necks on the line.

[PurdueBrad]

I don't want to make the voting decisions easy for the guys with their necks on the line.

If I weren't one of them, I would really enjoy that idea!

[st.cronin]

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[claphamsa]

Hoops- Oliegril #185, Eagle Fan #203, Passacaglia #299
Perdue Brad- St. Cronin # 174, chief Rum #201, alan T #209
Heizne- Hoops #250
Kwhitt- the Jackyl #140
Olie girl- Coffee warlord #188
Coffee Warlord- Seolian #193
Lathum-Dangerion #204<o></o><o></o>
Mcolloins- PB #232 Lathum #235
St.Cronin- Heinze #270,mccolins #283, Kwhitt #288

[Coffee Warlord]

Lordy. Decisions decisions.

[PurdueBrad]

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Holy christ that's funny!

[claphamsa]

Holy christ that's funny!

Dude serioulsy, you need to check out the website more :) Its pure gold!

[Lathum]

I'm not ready to string Cronin up yet for exploring a different line of thinking

[jeheinz72]

I'm not ready to string Cronin up yet for exploring a different line of thinking

Would that be because you were exploring it as well or ...?

[Lathum]

Would that be because you were exploring it as well or ...?

not sure what you are getting at but I am always a fan of narrowing down the candidates on the first day.

[st.cronin]

I wasn't really exploring an alternate way of thinking. I just recognized that somebody needed to put a 2nd vote on somebody, and it might as well be me. If that gets me lynched, so be it.

[PurdueBrad]

Not as cute, but meaningful nonetheless:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/30/pleezesirs128566340427470736.jpg

[Coffee Warlord]

Alright, I was gonna wait till closer to the deadline, but I wanna see how certain people react.

unvote olie
Vote PurdueBrad

Sorry, PB. Do realize, this isn't as much suspicion of you as it is who is voting for who. Two people who, to me, have aroused suspicion (as much as you can in day 1), are on cronin. I've got nothing on Chief and Alan.

Still may swap if this provokes anything more.

[claphamsa]

Hoops- Oliegril #185, Eagle Fan #203, Passacaglia #299
Perdue Brad- St. Cronin # 174, chief Rum #201, alan T #209, Coffee Warlord #311
Heizne- Hoops #250
Kwhitt- the Jackyl #140
Coffee Warlord- Seolian #193
Lathum-Dangerion #204<o></o><o></o>
Mcolloins- PB #232 Lathum #235
St.Cronin- Heinze #270,mccolins #283, Kwhitt #288

[PurdueBrad]

This is an obvious

unvote Mccollins

[Lathum]

unvote McCollins
Vote Hoopsguy

[Lathum]

well that looks bad

[st.cronin]

Why hoopsguy?

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh.

You know, if we can rally 1 or 2 more people, I'd vote mccolins in a heartbeat.

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'll play along as long as I'm allowed to do so without significant fear for my life:

UNVOTE JEHEINZ
VOTE CRONIN

That said, if I'm able to be around at deadline I'm pretty likely to move the vote where I feel it belongs rather than trying to create action like I'm doing right now.

[st.cronin]

mccollins seems like a better candidate than hoops. Unless somebody is being protected.

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, now that I've picked up another vote this feels a little less cool.

I think that squares us all at four right now.

[Coffee Warlord]

Mccollins is one of the 2 on you I don't feel right about, cronin. I feel way better about voting him than PB.

[hoopsguy]

So right now I'm letting Purdue choose between me and Cronin. Hmm.

[Passacaglia]

Heh.

You know, if we can rally 1 or 2 more people, I'd vote mccolins in a heartbeat.

Why? And why wait until two people have unvoted him to mention it?

[claphamsa]

Hoops- Oliegril #185, Eagle Fan #203, Passacaglia #299, Lathum #314
Perdue Brad- St. Cronin # 174, chief Rum #201, alan T #209, Coffee Warlord #311
Kwhitt- the Jackyl #140
Coffee Warlord- Seolian #193
Lathum-Dangerion #204<o></o><o></o>
St.Cronin- Heinze #270,mccolins #283, Kwhitt #288, Hoops #318

[Passacaglia]

So right now I'm letting Purdue choose between me and Cronin. Hmm.

There's still plenty of time -- I don't think that's how it will play out.

[st.cronin]

I'm not coming off PB unless the numbers dictate such a move would save a villager (ie me). I don't like the votes on hoopsguy, though.

[Coffee Warlord]

Why? And why wait until two people have unvoted him to mention it?

I mentioned it earlier. I don't vibe with the 'totally random vote' thing on EF (who I believe had 0 votes at that point) that late in the cycle. The first few people voting, no problem. Someone throwing on a vote latish against a un-voted target on day 1 doesn't sit well with me.

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola, and to be honest, it didn't click that there was a chance at pushing a meaningful block onto mccollins until I saw the two unvotes.

[mccollins]

I mentioned it earlier. I don't vibe with the 'totally random vote' thing on EF (who I believe had 0 votes at that point) that late in the cycle. The first few people voting, no problem. Someone throwing on a vote latish against a un-voted target on day 1 doesn't sit well with me.

Ask claphamsa, I told him this morning - I had a job interview yesterday afternoon and then I wasn't able to get on last night because we have people over every Thursday night.

[hoopsguy]

There's still plenty of time -- I don't think that's how it will play out.

I know, I'm just not sure how much time I have ... I'm heading back to my support call now and probably can't check in again until after deadline.

[claphamsa]

maybe you should post that in the thread then ;)

[Lathum]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9994/camv2jmnuv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[jeheinz72]

friggin Lathum man...hahah

[st.cronin]

I feel like this late move to hoops stinks like somebody's being protected. That would be either me or PB.

[PurdueBrad]

Has RendeR not voted yet?

[mccollins]

I swear, you can have an argument made against you no matter what you do.

If you vote for a leading vote-getter, you can be accused of just going with the crowd to try to blend in and not be noticed.

I chose to do the opposite because - as previously stated - I didn't want to vote for hoops or PB, everyone else with a vote only had 1 vote, and I didn't want to lead the charge on anyone when no one really has a clue who is a dog.

If that's unsettling, string up this kitteh and lose a vanilla villager.

[st.cronin]

If I had to bet on TWO players both being dogs, it would be Purduebrad and Pass.

[Coffee Warlord]

I swear, you can have an argument made against you no matter what you do.

If you vote for a leading vote-getter, you can be accused of just going with the crowd to try to blend in and not be noticed.

I chose to do the opposite because - as previously stated - I didn't want to vote for hoops or PB, everyone else with a vote only had 1 vote, and I didn't want to lead the charge on anyone when no one really has a clue who is a dog.

If that's unsettling, string up this kitteh and lose a vanilla villager.

Welcome to Day 1. :)

[mccollins]

maybe you should post that in the thread then ;)

tru dat. my bad.

[Coffee Warlord]

If I had to bet on TWO players both being dogs, it would be Purduebrad and Pass.

Why PB?

[Coffee Warlord]

Are we tied again?

[st.cronin]

Because, as I said above, the later votes for hoops look like somebody is being protected. That would be either PB or myself. I know I'm a kitteh.

[hoopsguy]

Guys, I'm not going to be able to get back in again. I'll leave my vote where it is and hope that I don't get sniped.

I don't have any super-cool role, so if there is a late reveal and you need to take someone out I'm as good as anyone, I guess.

Good luck, hope to be able to follow up in another hour or so.

[PurdueBrad]

You've been stubbornly on me for more than just any vote movements.

[Coffee Warlord]

So what's the verdict here, kids?

We're absolutely not leaving this as a tie.

[st.cronin]

PB - its nothing personal, my eyes are open and I'm willing to consider a move - but it has to be for a genuine reason, not simply to manipulate the vote.

[PurdueBrad]

So what's the verdict here, kids?

We're absolutely not leaving this as a tie.

I have a vote still so it won't likely be a tie but I don't like either choice and yet if I had to pick the two people I most worry about being wolves, it is these two.

[Passacaglia]

Are we tied again?

yeah, we're at 4-4-4

[mccollins]

Are we tied again?

It looks like we're 3-way tied if the last vote count is right.

Claphamsa has stated he hates no lynches so if I had to guess, I'd bet the tiebreaker mechanic would be to have all voting leaders be lynched.

I might move my vote off so that we don't end up losing *3* kittehs...

[PurdueBrad]

PB - its nothing personal, my eyes are open and I'm willing to consider a move - but it has to be for a genuine reason, not simply to manipulate the vote.

Christ...I have 10 minutes till I have to decide?

[Coffee Warlord]

10ish minutes.

If I have to, I'll move mine, though I like the other 2 options even less than I like PB. I'm going to do whatever I can to prevent a tie from happening, that's for certain.

[PurdueBrad]

mccollins, you won't have to move unless someone else drops a vote in there. I'll break the tie eventually.

[st.cronin]

Frankly, I don't think a tie is that bad an option. It would be good to have an idea what happens with a tie, and its better to find out on day 1 than on day 9.

[jeheinz72]

FTR, I won't allow it to tie. I hate ties. If it gets me lynched tomorrow, so be it, I'm a mere kitteh.

[Coffee Warlord]

mccollins, you won't have to move unless someone else drops a vote in there. I'll break the tie eventually.

Do what you're gonna do.

[Coffee Warlord]

Frankly, I don't think a tie is that bad an option. It would be good to have an idea what happens with a tie, and its better to find out on day 1 than on day 9.

I'd rather see people be decisive on day 1. A tie is too easy, and hurts later analysis, in my mind.

[KWhit]

I'm just afraid we're about to have 3-4 cats who will move their votes last minute trying to make sure we don't have a tie. And because of everyone moving their vote, we end up in a tie.

[mccollins]

So what's the verdict here, kids?

We're absolutely not leaving this as a tie.

I'll move mine to a non-vote leader first and then y'all can hash it out.
Plus, Cronin (and Lathum) have provided generous amusement with very good lolcats :)

unvote Cronin
Vote Coffee Warlord

(Sorry! I've never played with you and you seem to be driving the action too much! And driving unwarranted suspicion up on me!)

[Coffee Warlord]

Which is why I'd like PB to do his vote now, so we have a few minutes to screw around.

[mccollins]

mccollins, you won't have to move unless someone else drops a vote in there. I'll break the tie eventually.

Whoops - sorry PB.

[st.cronin]

I'd rather see people be decisive on day 1. A tie is too easy, and hurts later analysis, in my mind.

I agree with the sentiment, but I don't think a tie is going to happen because somebody "decides" to force a tie. I think it will happen by accident, if at all.

In any case, I will vote for the player I hope gets lynched - if that results in a tie, so be it. I won't vote for somebody I do not think is a wolf just to avoid a tie.

[KWhit]

I'll move mine to a non-vote leader first and then y'all can hash it out.
Plus, Cronin (and Lathum) have provided generous amusement with very good lolcats :)

unvote Cronin
Vote Coffee Warlord

(Sorry! I've never played with you and you seem to be driving the action too much! And driving unwarranted suspicion up on me!)

That makes no sense.

Moving off of one of the 3-way tied people doesn't help us - and to put it on a throw-away candidate?!?!?

[Coffee Warlord]

I'll move mine to a non-vote leader first and then y'all can hash it out.
Plus, Cronin (and Lathum) have provided generous amusement with very good lolcats :)

unvote Cronin
Vote Coffee Warlord

(Sorry! I've never played with you and you seem to be driving the action too much! And driving unwarranted suspicion up on me!)

And now you just basically ensured hoops dies. PB will vote hoops to protect himself, and we likely don't have time to move anything meaningful.

[PurdueBrad]

Well here is my self-defense move... St. Cronin is a good wolf and I'm not a fan of how stubborn he has been against me but Hoops has burned me a crapload of times.

vote Hoopsguy

[st.cronin]

dola - I also think voting "to prevent a tie" is a great excuse that can ruin analysis.

[Lathum]

unvote Hoops
Vote Cronin

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY
VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[Coffee Warlord]

5 and 5 now, hoops and cronin?

[claphamsa]

Hoops- Oliegril #185, Eagle Fan #203, PB#364
Perdue Brad- St. Cronin # 174, chief Rum #201, alan T #209, Coffee Warlord #311, passacaglia #367
Kwhitt- the Jackyl #140
Coffee Warlord- Seolian #193, Mccolins #358
Lathum-Dangerion #204<o></o><o></o>
St.Cronin- Heinze #270, Kwhitt #288, Hoops #318, lahum #365

[Coffee Warlord]

Make that 5 and 5, cronin and PB?

[PurdueBrad]

Now I have to move again to save myself, thanks.

unvote Hoops
vote Cronin

[st.cronin]

Geez.

[KWhit]

We are so ending in a tie. I can feel it.

[Passacaglia]

My hunch is JE and PB are dogs -- JE's attack of cronin seemed designed to save PB.

[Coffee Warlord]

Good lord.

[KWhit]

Stop moving votes people.

[claphamsa]

LEt me know if I missed anythign!

[Coffee Warlord]

After all this...I'm staying on PB.

[Passacaglia]

mccollins is looking iffy, too -- his unvote seemed designed to make it so that PB didn't have to choose one.

[PurdueBrad]

After all this...I'm staying on PB.
At least somebody is staying somewhere!

[claphamsa]

deadlinE!

[claphamsa]

Hoops- Oliegril #185, Eagle Fan #203
Perdue Brad- St. Cronin # 174, chief Rum #201, alan T #209, Coffee Warlord #311, passacaglia #367
Kwhitt- the Jackyl #140
Coffee Warlord- Seolian #193, Mccolins #358
Lathum-Dangerion #204<o></o><o></o>
St.Cronin- Heinze #270, Kwhitt #288, Hoops #318, lahum #365, PB #370ish

[jeheinz72]

My hunch is JE and PB are dogs -- JE's attack of cronin seemed designed to save PB.

Oh hush.

[claphamsa]

this right?

[mccollins]

That makes no sense.

Moving off of one of the 3-way tied people doesn't help us - and to put it on a throw-away candidate?!?!?

Sure it does - it makes it a 2-way tie.
Plus, out of anyone, after day 1, for my gameplay I would hope that CW might garner more votes.

[Coffee Warlord]

mccollins is looking iffy, too -- his unvote seemed designed to make it so that PB didn't have to choose one.

He's getting my vote tomorrow, barring something interesting happening.

[Passacaglia]

Oh hush.

Don't worry -- if you're a dog, you're slathered in catsup.

[mccollins]

And now you just basically ensured hoops dies. PB will vote hoops to protect himself, and we likely don't have time to move anything meaningful.

OR a ton of other people will make moves too.

[claphamsa]

no corrections? imnot a very good counter!

[PurdueBrad]

Seriously, wtf. Thanks by the way for making me look like a liar. I said I wouldn't let there be a tie and now...a tie. I hope I got scanned IF I get through the tie dynamic.

[st.cronin]

Late vote switching on day 1 is stupid for a villager (unless you're looking to protect yourself). I've argued this before.

[Passacaglia]

looks right to me, clap

[mccollins]

My hunch is JE and PB are dogs -- JE's attack of cronin seemed designed to save PB.
mccollins is looking iffy, too -- his unvote seemed designed to make it so that PB didn't have to choose one.

Actually, it looks like you and Lathum just moved to save hoops.

Pass, you routinely make statements like this when you're a wolf to gear up suspicion on other people as the next day begins.

[claphamsa]

You argue and argue, then decide to not decide!

Send in ur night actions... you have until 2! but if I get them all before then Ill push it otu now!

[Coffee Warlord]

OR a ton of other people will make moves too.

With, what 5-10 minutes to go, on a person who hadn't gotten a lick of suspicion yet? Pretty unlikely.

[Passacaglia]

Late vote switching on day 1 is stupid for a villager (unless you're looking to protect yourself). I've argued this before.

I disagree. My thinking was the PB was a wolf, and JE was protecting him -- the reason I had my vote on hoops, only to switch it later, was to see what would happen with the heat on PB.

[Coffee Warlord]

You argue and argue, then decide to not decide!

Send in ur night actions... you have until 2! but if I get them all before then Ill push it otu now!

And, this is why ties suck balls.

[st.cronin]

Ok, so a tie = no lynch.

[Passacaglia]

Actually, it looks like you and Lathum just moved to save hoops.

Pass, you routinely make statements like this when you're a wolf to gear up suspicion on other people as the next day begins.

That may be, but even as a villager, I'm always looking toward the next day. If Lathum and I were trying to save hoops, why would we vote for different people?

[Lathum]

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7145/ca4hyjkdga7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[st.cronin]

I disagree. My thinking was the PB was a wolf, and JE was protecting him -- the reason I had my vote on hoops, only to switch it later, was to see what would happen with the heat on PB.

on day 1? suuuuuuuuuuure.

[KWhit]

Late vote switching on day 1 is stupid for a villager (unless you're looking to protect yourself). I've argued this before.

I agree. That crap pisses me off.

[PurdueBrad]

Ok, so a tie = no lynch.

Fair amount of scattered votes, one no vote, and lots of late movement. I think we still may have gotten something to look at but no way to verify.

[EagleFan]

Looks like I miised a lot and it looks like we have some good moves to analyze for day one. Even with the no lynch that should make for a good bit of day one data.

[Passacaglia]

on day 1? suuuuuuuuuuure.

I didn't say it was the best theory, but at the time I didn't want to bandwagon PB -- I wanted to keep it close, and to make it so that PB had to choose one of the two to vote for -- in case we were wolf/villager/wolf.

[Passacaglia]

I agree. That crap pisses me off.

PING: Chess

[mccollins]

That may be, but even as a villager, I'm always looking toward the next day. If Lathum and I were trying to save hoops, why would we vote for different people?

unvote hoops was all that mattered.

As I suggested earlier, I thought it was highly probable that a tie would lynch both leading vote-getters. By splitting your votes, you let the villagers decide which of the kittehs to give the ax.

[Lathum]

You argue and argue, then decide to not decide!

Send in ur night actions... you have until 2! but if I get them all before then Ill push it otu now!

Clap- Your game and your choice, but we had a stretch a while back where the GM would run the night phase early if they had all the actions and it created all kinds of problems.

[st.cronin]

That may be, but even as a villager, I'm always looking toward the next day. If Lathum and I were trying to save hoops, why would we vote for different people?

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[oliegirl]

Don't worry -- if you're a dog, you're slathered in catsup.

Wouldn't that make him a Weiner Dog then????

LOL!!!

:D

[Passacaglia]

unvote hoops was all that mattered.

As I suggested earlier, I thought it was highly probable that a tie would lynch both leading vote-getters. By splitting your votes, you let the villagers decide which of the kittehs to give the ax.

How did the villagers get to decide that?
How do you know those two are kittehs?
I don't like to play "if I were a wolf, why would I?" but I'm going to. Maybe it's because I'm being lumped in with Lathum that's making me do it. But you really think that if Lathum, me, and hoops were wolves, that Lathum and I would vote for hoops, knowing he's a guy who gets a lot of Day 1 votes, only to unvote him simultaneously five minutes to deadline?

[PurdueBrad]

I didn't say it was the best theory, but at the time I didn't want to bandwagon PB -- I wanted to keep it close, and to make it so that PB had to choose one of the two to vote for -- in case we were wolf/villager/wolf.

Yeah, worked well, I ended up having to choose both. :(

[jeheinz72]

It's my experience that close votes like this almost certainly mean that we had a wolf in the targets somewhere. I'd frankly be shocked if one of those 3 isn't a wolf. Hence why I'm prone to late vote switches like that as a villager, kinda like a mini-duke. If I'm vanilla as I am this game, I'll take a shot figuring worst-case I miss and at least I'm not roled when I die later.

I was going to break the tie, but I couldn't figure out who was exactly tied when I got back from smoking at like 8:58. I was pretty sure my only option to break was to switch to PB and frankly of the 3 people up there, I'd rank him last as far as actually thinking he's the wolf. But I couldn't count up the votes quick enough anyways so I wasn't sure.

As far as me protecting PB, well, whatever, I wasn't. I don't really have a "defense" against it, but I wasn't, I'm as kitteh as kitteh can be. Go ahead and lynch me if that's a problem.

[KWhit]

unvote hoops was all that mattered.

As I suggested earlier, I thought it was highly probable that a tie would lynch both leading vote-getters. By splitting your votes, you let the villagers decide which of the kittehs to give the ax.

Unvote hoops is all that mattered?

Um, no. Not when there was a 3 way tie.

[Lathum]

Late vote switching on day 1 is stupid for a villager (unless you're looking to protect yourself). I've argued this before.

I disagree, movement causes other people to move and can smoke someone out later on.

[Passacaglia]

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If there's a comment for me to reply to here, I can't read it.

[claphamsa]

Clap- Your game and your choice, but we had a stretch a while back where the GM would run the night phase early if they had all the actions and it created all kinds of problems.

oh really? Ill hld off till 2 then :)
thanks for the heads up!

[jeheinz72]

If there's a comment for me to reply to here, I can't read it.

Basically I think Cronin is calling you out as a dog.

[Lathum]

It's my experience that close votes like this almost certainly mean that we had a wolf in the targets somewhere. I'd frankly be shocked if one of those 3 isn't a wolf.

.


what 3 are you talking about?

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, worked well, I ended up having to choose both. :(


Actually no, this is wrong. I made the Hoops choice although that apparently didn't matter as Mccollins had unvoted Cronin and then I didn't have a choice but to switch to Cronin. So basically somewhere in all that movement, people basically attempted to take my choice away.

[KWhit]

It's my experience that close votes like this almost certainly mean that we had a wolf in the targets somewhere. I'd frankly be shocked if one of those 3 isn't a wolf. Hence why I'm prone to late vote switches like that as a villager, kinda like a mini-duke. If I'm vanilla as I am this game, I'll take a shot figuring worst-case I miss and at least I'm not roled when I die later.

Except that invariably 3-4 people end up thinking the same thing and all hell breaks loose right at deadline - ending in a tie.

I hate the late vote switches for no reason.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, worked well, I ended up having to choose both. :(

The point is that he took responsibility away from you. Both of your votes were completely self-defense, so you never really had to choose which of the two you thought was a wolf. There was a LONG time where it was 4-4-4, but you didn't "choose" until a few minutes after mccollins changed things up. Of course, from your POV, once mccollins did that, that's of course what you should have done -- but I think it's significant that mccollins created that situation, and you didn't do anything until he did that.

[st.cronin]

Pass - you were either suspicious of hoops or not. If you thought that one of PB or me was a wolf, then you should have picked one of us. By voting hoops, all you did was make it less likely that either PB or me would get lynched. I just don't see any way your play can be read as villager friendly.

[jeheinz72]

what 3 are you talking about?

Hoops, PB and Cronin.

[DanGarion]

You people talk to much.

Anyway I'm still new to the game and figuring out. I figured I'd just pick Lathum since he said he was a wolfie, what more reason so I need. He looks guilty...

[claphamsa]

Wow, not a single vote for me on day 1! thats been a loooong time!

:D

[jeheinz72]

Except that invariably 3-4 people end up thinking the same thing and all hell breaks loose right at deadline - ending in a tie.

I hate the late vote switches for no reason.

True, but if it's a tie with no movement anyhow...

[mccollins]

Unvote hoops is all that mattered?

Um, no. Not when there was a 3 way tie.

Yes, on the theory that in that scenario hoops was a dog and the other two were kittehs. The other dogs in the scenario, Pass and Lathum, unvote their dog-mate and then they don't care which of the other two get lynched since they are both villagers to them.

Again, it's just a theory for the scenario.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, we've got two hours until night is over. I'm going to put out a distrust list in case we get killed, and I suggest others do the same:

1. PurdueBrad
2. mccollins
3. jeheinz72

This is an ordered list.

[Passacaglia]

Basically I think Cronin is calling you out as a dog.

Crikey -- and my whole theory was predicated on trusting him. That's worrisome.

[st.cronin]

Pass - it was a picture of a husky and a tiny kitteh. Caption reads: um hai i tink i found a dog

[jeheinz72]

I can't see a scenario, short of an ill-advised Seer-ish reveal where I'm not voting for one of the 3 vote getters today or Passacaglia.

[Lathum]

Yes, on the theory that in that scenario hoops was a dog and the other two were kittehs. The other dogs in the scenario, Pass and Lathum, unvote their dog-mate and then they don't care which of the other two get lynched since they are both villagers to them.

Again, it's just a theory for the scenario.

thats just Ludicrous.

If me, hoops and Pass were all dogs do you really think we would approach day 1 that way, cmon.

[Coffee Warlord]

Okay, we've got two hours until night is over. I'm going to put out a distrust list in case we get killed, and I suggest others do the same:

1. PurdueBrad
2. mccollins
3. jeheinz72

This is an ordered list.

1. mccollins
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. jeheinz
7. PB

[Passacaglia]

Pass - you were either suspicious of hoops or not. If you thought that one of PB or me was a wolf, then you should have picked one of us. By voting hoops, all you did was make it less likely that either PB or me would get lynched. I just don't see any way your play can be read as villager friendly.

In the end, my vote was recorded as being on the guy I thought was a wolf. I don't think it's any less likely that PB gets lynched because I had my vote on hoops before that.

[KWhit]

I think the top of my distrust list would be mccollins and st.cronin right now.

[mccollins]

thats just Ludicrous.

If me, hoops and Pass were all dogs do you really think we would approach day 1 that way, cmon.

I agree now after some more discussion since the deadline, but I was just trying to explain my previous comments.

[Passacaglia]

You people talk to much.

Anyway I'm still new to the game and figuring out. I figured I'd just pick Lathum since he said he was a wolfie, what more reason so I need. He looks guilty...

Welcome to WW! Yeah, it can get hectic close to deadline, but that's part of the fun! :)

[EagleFan]

Haven't seen enough yet so no CoT list but a possible distrust list based on late moves:

jeheinz
PurdueBran
mccollins

I want to add cronin to that list but can't find a reason yet (I guess I can't let go of that first game when you fooled me on the last day of the game and then ripped my throat open with your wolfish fangs).

No particular order though.

[jeheinz72]

Haven't seen enough yet so no CoT list but a possible distrust list based on late moves:

jeheinz
PurdueBran
mccollins

I want to add cronin to that list but can't find a reason yet (I guess I can't let go of that first game when you fooled me on the last day of the game and then ripped my throat open with your wolfish fangs).

No particular order though.

Late moves?

I didn't make a late move, so why am I on that list?

[st.cronin]

In the end, my vote was recorded as being on the guy I thought was a wolf. I don't think it's any less likely that PB gets lynched because I had my vote on hoops before that.

I'm sorry. That sounds completely inane to me.

[jeheinz72]

1. mccollins
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. jeheinz
7. PB

So am I 2nd and or are there mystery people in spots 2-5.

[Alan T]

Looks like a fun deadline. Just popped in for a second, now out again. If I live through tonight I'll give my thoughts for where my vote will go based on that deadline finish.

[Coffee Warlord]

So am I 2nd and or are there mystery people in spots 2-5.

You and PB are a very very very very distant 2nd and 3rd to me.

[jeheinz72]

You and PB are a very very very very distant 2nd and 3rd to me.

OK that makes sense.

Since you here and if you don't mind me asking, what's your "case" against me?

Just figure since I"ve shown up on 2 lists I should know what attack the dogs are making against me.

[mccollins]

He's getting my vote tomorrow, barring something interesting happening.

I'll beat ya to the punch:

Day 2
Vote Coffee Warlord

(Again, I've never played with you so I'm not sure how to take your almost moderator-like role in the voting. It felt very heavy handed as if you were attempting to orchestrate things. Just let people vote.)

[jeheinz72]

17, so what do we think, 3 wolves or 4?

[jeheinz72]

I'll beat ya to the punch:

Day 2
.)

It's not Day 2 yet, 89 more minutes.

[hoopsguy]

Well, I'm glad to be around although not all that thrilled with how the no-lynch went down. Color me surprised that Clap had that as his tie-breaking mechanism.

I'm still swamped at work, but I'll definitely catch up with this over the weekend. If someone has time, putting together a complete vote record for today would probably be helpful.

Example:
Player A votes Player B (post #100)
Player C votes Player A (post #101)
Player A unvotes Player B, votes Player C (Post #102)

[Coffee Warlord]

I'll beat ya to the punch:

Day 2
Vote Coffee Warlord

(Again, I've never played with you so I'm not sure how to take your almost moderator-like role in the voting. It felt very heavy handed as if you were attempting to orchestrate things. Just let people vote.)

And to me, your reasoning/analysis has either been 1) bordering on the insane, 2) exceptionally wolfish.

'Just letting people vote' is worthless. You HAVE to push people, force debates, push buttons, scoop the litterbox, etc etc etc. I have no role, and when I have no role, I'm going to call people out and push buttons, right or wrong, until I get killed.

[mccollins]

17, so what do we think, 3 wolves or 4?

Seems like it's been around 25% in the few games I've played. I'd guess 4. 3 vs. 14 seems too small.

[Coffee Warlord]

OK that makes sense.

Since you here and if you don't mind me asking, what's your "case" against me?

Just figure since I"ve shown up on 2 lists I should know what attack the dogs are making against me.

It may be mob mentality calling you out to me, but it feels like you were swinging the vote a bit to protect people, there.

As for PB, with all the insanity going on late, I think we touched a wolf somewhere in the 3 on the block. Of those 3, I'm thinking PB.

[jeheinz72]

It may be mob mentality calling you out to me, but it feels like you were swinging the vote a bit to protect people, there.

As for PB, with all the insanity going on late, I think we touched a wolf somewhere in the 3 on the block. Of those 3, I'm thinking PB.

Swinging the vote? Here's my vote recap

Voted Jackal, randomly. He's a buddy ol' pal of mine so I knew he was least likely to get offended, frankly.

Voted hoops when I felt people were consolidated. A bit hair-trigger there, compounded by the fact that I made it then basically didn't check in again until this AM

Voted cronin, as the 1st voter mind you and the person who brought up the cronin-changing-stance theory.

I don't honestly see where that's swinging a vote per se'. 1st voter twice and 2nd voter the 2nd time.

I'd agree that at least 1 of those 3 is a wolf, hence why I voted for 2 of them at some point. If PB comes up wolf I'll look terrible, but hey, I can't vote for everyone! :D

[PurdueBrad]

Late moves?

I didn't make a late move, so why am I on that list?


Don't worry, I made the list based on late moves and mine were painfully (emphasized because typing quickly killed my thumb) obvious self-defense votes rather than actual late switches. Eaglesfan just doesn't like me (he knows I'm a Steelers fan).

[mccollins]

Voted Jackal, randomly. He's a buddy ol' pal of mine so I knew he was least likely to get offended, frankly.


Maybe that's my problem - I never vote for you or clap (or PB in this game since we were buddies after last game) on day 1 because I'd like for you to be able to play as long as possible because it stinks to be sitting on the outside.

Perhaps your reasoning is why PB randomly voted for me at the start of the day.

[Coffee Warlord]

Swinging the vote? Here's my vote recap

Voted Jackal, randomly. He's a buddy ol' pal of mine so I knew he was least likely to get offended, frankly.

Voted hoops when I felt people were consolidated. A bit hair-trigger there, compounded by the fact that I made it then basically didn't check in again until this AM

Voted cronin, as the 1st voter mind you and the person who brought up the cronin-changing-stance theory.

I don't honestly see where that's swinging a vote per se'. 1st voter twice and 2nd voter the 2nd time.

I'd agree that at least 1 of those 3 is a wolf, hence why I voted for 2 of them at some point. If PB comes up wolf I'll look terrible, but hey, I can't vote for everyone! :D

Like I said, it may be mob mentality affecting my thoughts on you, with other people bringing you up. Frankly, I questioned myself to include you in people I'm suspicious about when you challenged me the first time on it. *I* don't even like my answer I gave.

[jeheinz72]

Maybe that's my problem - I never vote for you or clap (or PB in this game since we were buddies after last game) on day 1 because I'd like for you to be able to play as long as possible because it stinks to be sitting on the outside.

Perhaps your reasoning is why PB randomly voted for me at the start of the day.

Yeah, I try to stick to this theory personally. That and I never vote a new(er) player on Day 1 (like Seolian or dangarion)

[Coffee Warlord]

I've got a half day today, and I'm about to head out. Before I did, I wanted to go over the list of those playing, and point out...

8.RendeR
10.Oliegirl
11.Eaglefan
12.the Jackal
14.seolian
15.dangarion

...that I didn't see much of anything from these folks. Come out of your shells and speak up!

[jeheinz72]

Wow I didn't even realize RendeR was playing. That won't sit well with me if it keeps up.

[mccollins]

Yeah, I try to stick to this theory personally. That and I never vote a new(er) player on Day 1 (like Seolian or dangarion)

Oh yeah, I forgot to explain for the newer folks that you and clap are the only two I knew from other forums before coming here.

[st.cronin]

for hoopsguy:

Coffee Warlord votes Hoopsguy (111)
EagleFan votes PurdueBrad (128)
KWhit votes jeheinz72 (133)
Lathum votes Coffee Warlord (135)
The Jackal votes KWhit (140)
jeheinz72 votes The Jackal (150)
st.cronin votes Lathum (157)
PurdueBrad votes st.cronin (168)
st.cronin unvotes Lathum, votes PurdueBrad (174)
oliegirl votes hoopsguy (185)
Lathum unvotes Coffee Warlord, votes PurdueBrad (187)
Coffee Warlord unvotes hoopsguy, votes oliegirl (188)
jeheinz72 unvotes The Jackal, votes hoopsguy (189)
Seolian votes Coffee Warlord (193)
EagleFan unvotes PurdueBrad (197)
Chief Rum votes PurdueBrad (201)
EagleFan votes hoopsguy (203)
dangarion votes Lathum (204)
Seolian unvotes Coffee Warlord, votes Lathum (207) ***I think this vote was ruled illegal
Alan T votes PurdueBrad (209)
mccollins votes EagleFan (218)
PurdueBrad unvotes st.cronin, votes for mccollins (232)
Lathum unvotes PurdueBrad, votes mccollins (235)
hoopsguy votes jeheinz72 (250)
jeheinz72 unvotes hoopsguy, votes st.cronin (270)
mccollins unvotes EagleFan, votes st.cronin (283)
KWhit unvotes jeheinz72, votes st.cronin (290)
st.cronin gets nervous
Passacaglia votes hoopsguy (299)
Coffee Warlord unvotes oliegirl, votes PurdueBrad (311)
PurdueBrad unvotes mccollins (313)
Lathum unvotes mccollins, votes hoopsguy (314)
hoopsguy unvotes jeheinz72, votes st.cronin (318)
mccollins unvotes st.cronin, votes Coffee Warlord (358)
PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (364)
Lathum unvotes hoopsguy, votes st.cronin (366)
Passacaglia unvotes hoopsguy, votes PurdueBrad (367)
PurdueBrad unvotes hoopsguy, votes st.cronin (371)

[oliegirl]

I've got a half day today, and I'm about to head out. Before I did, I wanted to go over the list of those playing, and point out...

8.RendeR
10.Oliegirl
11.Eaglefan
12.the Jackal
14.seolian
15.dangarion

...that I didn't see much of anything from these folks. Come out of your shells and speak up!

Sigh. I have to make this post every game.

I'm always, always quiet on day 1. I don't feel there is enough information to go throwing accusations or ideas around until we've at least had ONE vote/night cycle. Once we get the night results back, I'll start poking around to see if there is anything to go on. It's WAY too early to start calling people out for being quiet at this point.

[Lathum]

Render has been petty quiet the last few games

[st.cronin]

<a href='http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=1246484' ><img src='http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/30/tehwaitingis128566411957088025.jpg' alt='funny pictures' /></a><br />moar <a href='http://icanhascheezburger.com'>funny pictures</a>

[Passacaglia]

I'm sorry. That sounds completely inane to me.

How did my voting ploy make PB less likely to get lynched? Do you think there were people who were going to vote for PB, but didn't, because of it? Or do you think there were people that were going to move off either hoops or you, but didn't because of it? I don't get how PB could have been lynched if I had my vote on him the whole time. If not for Lathum's vote switch, PB would have been lynched.

[claphamsa]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/30/tehwaitingis128566411957088025.jpg (http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=1246484)
moar funny pictures (http://icanhascheezburger.com)
4 me too! maybe ill shorten the night....... I origionaly did it like this for the TSW people, much less... dedicated!

[st.cronin]

Pass if the score is 3-3-3 the generic werewolf player will likely pick one of those players to vote for. If the score is instead 4-4 he will likely pick one of those players to vote for. 1/3 is less than 1/2.

[The Jackal]

good lord i have a lot of catching up to do

[claphamsa]

were gonna cut back to an hour for night mondya! this is booring :D

[Passacaglia]

Pass if the score is 3-3-3 the generic werewolf player will likely pick one of those players to vote for. If the score is instead 4-4 he will likely pick one of those players to vote for. 1/3 is less than 1/2.

I'm not sure that comparison fits. I think it was PB 3, cronin 3, hoops 2, mccollins 2. My vote on hoops made it 3-3-3, but comparing it to 4-4 isn't apt -- if I voted PB then, it would have been 4-3-2-2. I think this would have made it a two-way race between you and PB. Keep in mind that you had your vote on PB, but he didn't have his vote on you -- I didn't want him to be able to simply place his vote on you out of self defense, which I think he would have done immediately if I voted him then. Instead, I wanted to get some more info out of his vote -- to see who he chooses in that scenario. If he's a wolf, we get some nice data. Anyway, no one who voted for hoopsguy after me kept their vote on him, so I don't think I risked much -- and even if someone did, I was keeping an eye on the vote count, and knew that I would put my vote on him later. Yeah, it's playing with fire a little, but it's not like I'm positive PB is a wolf -- if more people wanted someone else, I would have lived with it, but I don't think people would have not bothered with hoops if I made it 4-3-2-2.

[Passacaglia]

Speaking of vote switching, Lathum -- did you ever explain your switch to cronin?

[EagleFan]

In response to CW, I'll post more when I can. I've only played a few of these games and my posts went up later in the games, especially when I started having ideas on who were the wolves and began playing with them a bit.

Oddly enough I tried to keep up the number of posts when mysecond game started and got killed the first night by a villager with a weapon because they thought I was posting too much. This has kept me in check a bit since then. :)

I think I know who my vote will go to for day two (if I am still alive at that point) but it is only based on one thing. I realized that I have never been on the same side as this person in any game. In the two games that I was a wolf he was a villager and he has been a wolf the rest of the gmaes I was in.

Granted, this may not be the best thing to go on but he had some suspicious behavior in day one.

[Passacaglia]

In response to CW, I'll post more when I can. I've only played a few of these games and my posts went up later in the games, especially when I started having ideas on who were the wolves and began playing with them a bit.

Oddly enough I tried to keep up the number of posts when mysecond game started and got killed the first night by a villager with a weapon because they thought I was posting too much. This has kept me in check a bit since then. :)

I think I know who my vote will go to for day two (if I am still alive at that point) but it is only based on one thing. I realized that I have never been on the same side as this person in any game. In the two games that I was a wolf he was a villager and he has been a wolf the rest of the gmaes I was in.

Granted, this may not be the best thing to go on but he had some suspicious behavior in day one.

oh hai

[Lathum]

Speaking of vote switching, Lathum -- did you ever explain your switch to cronin?

nope

[hoopsguy]

In response to CW, I'll post more when I can. I've only played a few of these games and my posts went up later in the games, especially when I started having ideas on who were the wolves and began playing with them a bit.

Oddly enough I tried to keep up the number of posts when mysecond game started and got killed the first night by a villager with a weapon because they thought I was posting too much. This has kept me in check a bit since then. :)

I think I know who my vote will go to for day two (if I am still alive at that point) but it is only based on one thing. I realized that I have never been on the same side as this person in any game. In the two games that I was a wolf he was a villager and he has been a wolf the rest of the gmaes I was in.

Granted, this may not be the best thing to go on but he had some suspicious behavior in day one.

Can we expect to see a reason for the vote today? Just checking ... :p

[claphamsa]

LAST CALL FOR CHANGES!!!!

[The Jackal]

sorry guys, I got home late last night and then realized the lost finale was last night so i stayed up until 4ish watching it and just woke up a little while ago, hence my complete lack of involvement in the doings of this morning

[Passacaglia]

nope

cool, glad to see you're taking as much heat as i am :rolleyes: :p

[claphamsa]

DEADLINe, PMS comgin soon, then writeup!

[st.cronin]

I assume Lathum, whether dog or cat, will have some explanation after the deadline.

[Passacaglia]

DEADLINe, PMS comgin soon, then writeup!

saldana, is that you?

[claphamsa]

saldana, is that you?


?

[jeheinz72]

sorry guys, I got home late last night and then realized the lost finale was last night so i stayed up until 4ish watching it and just woke up a little while ago, hence my complete lack of involvement in the doings of this morning

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/jeheinz72/losted.jpg

[claphamsa]

you all wake up annoyed no one got lynched, argue more... then realize.... where is alan t? hes dead thats where he is, little bits burried in the temporary litter box!


next deadline Monday at noon! only a one hour night then tho!

[Passacaglia]

?

cuz you said you were about to get PMS...

[The Jackal]

who goes and kills him on his birthday, poor form

and heinz - HILARIOUS

[jeheinz72]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/jeheinz72/alant.jpg

[Alan T]

Thanks for the birthday wishes Doggies :) Once I saw that I had a new email, I knew something bad happened! Good luck cats!

[Passacaglia]

Damn, happy birthday to Alan.

[Lathum]

man, monday at noon is a long time to wait

[PurdueBrad]

Is that the new trend here, getting killed on your b-day?

[The Jackal]

looks like we don't even get to know what role alan had, if any

[mccollins]

who goes and kills him on his birthday, poor form


no joke - booo!!

oh, and to make it official:
vote Coffee Warlord

[The Jackal]

looks like we don't even get to know what role alan had, if any

nevermind clap just put kitten on the player post

[st.cronin]

I believe Alan was vanilla. Its implied in the rules that roles will be revealed, albeit not always correctly.

[mccollins]

looks like we don't even get to know what role alan had, if any

Found it:

16.alan T -night Killed day 1. Kitten

[jeheinz72]

Today's a day to break an egg, regardless.

[KWhit]

Today's a day to break an egg, regardless.

Yeah, and we didn't because the vote was tied.

:mad:

[PurdueBrad]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/30/gunnabalongw128566451740751986.jpg

[hoopsguy]

I don't know that Alan had significant trust or distrust at this point - by his standards he was playing a pretty low-key game.