WW LXXIV Killer Kittens on Mount FujiMori day (GAME OVER- KITTENS WIN)

[KWhit]

This is all screwed up.

I think it's clear that Sealion and Render are both lying.

[KWhit]

Ok let me clarify WHY I'm pissed off, if I can anyway.

I'm told I blocked Kwhit.

Seolian says he blocked Kwhit.

Cronin says he followed seolian and saw himfighting two people.

IF this is all true then WHY didn't *I* see a third party?

IF this is true why didn't Seolian see a third Party?

my only explanation is that Seolian is lying, but he scans light so WTF am I suposed to think now?

seriously? What would YOU do?


B.S.

[Passacaglia]

B.S.

Yeah, I'm convinced. :p

[RendeR]

B.S.


Stuff it furball, I KNOW you're a wolf, I bloked you trying to kill Olie. Gues you thought that all that talk about her being protected tonight was a cover up and I'd protect someone else eh?

Nice doggy, now get in yer frakin kennel and shush.

[oliegirl]

My theory...KWhit knows he's toast, not putting up much of a fight. RendeR figures he'll claim the BG role after Seolian, but forgets either that I scanned him and he came back light, or that Cronin followed him, then shifts to "there must be 2 bg's" and pushes blame onto Clap, put on annoyed ww player act. Either way, I believe they are both (KWhit and RendeR) doggies.

Where are we on voting nightfall?

[Lathum]

we lynch him and have 1 more doggie to lynch for the win...

how do you know there is only 1 more after that?

[Coffee Warlord]

My theory...KWhit knows he's toast, not putting up much of a fight. RendeR figures he'll claim the BG role after Seolian, but forgets either that I scanned him and he came back light, or that Cronin followed him, then shifts to "there must be 2 bg's" and pushes blame onto Clap, put on annoyed ww player act. Either way, I believe they are both (KWhit and RendeR) doggies.

Where are we on voting nightfall?

I contend this is way too easy.

There is no chance in hell we have this many seers, bodyguards, strays, invincibles, etc, etc, etc. I about guarantee there's some people in our trusted list that are not what they seem.

There's a possibility of a second Chihuaha as well. Which could be SeaLion, which would explain all the bodyguard fiasco shit.

Hell, there's about a billion different possiblities, but I don't buy it being this simple.

[oliegirl]

how do you know there is only 1 more after that?

Just a guess, and going off what others have said...4 wolves. PB, Kwhit, RendeR and the unknown doggie that is left.

[RendeR]

My theory...KWhit knows he's toast, not putting up much of a fight. RendeR figures he'll claim the BG role after Seolian, but forgets either that I scanned him and he came back light, or that Cronin followed him, then shifts to "there must be 2 bg's" and pushes blame onto Clap, put on annoyed ww player act. Either way, I believe they are both (KWhit and RendeR) doggies.

Where are we on voting nightfall?



lets test it, lets get the real og (Kwhit) vote nightfall and get that scan in so you can be convinced.

[oliegirl]

lets test it, lets get the real og (Kwhit) vote nightfall and get that scan in so you can be convinced.

I've already voted nightfall...that is why I asked where we were on that. Have we gotten a ruling from Clap on voting nightfall and if it's allowed/will be honored?

[RendeR]

My theory...KWhit knows he's toast, not putting up much of a fight. RendeR figures he'll claim the BG role after Seolian, but forgets either that I scanned him and he came back light, or that Cronin followed him, then shifts to "there must be 2 bg's" and pushes blame onto Clap, put on annoyed ww player act. Either way, I believe they are both (KWhit and RendeR) doggies.

Where are we on voting nightfall?



Oh and *I* didn't bring up the 2 bodyguard stuff, that was already on the table. I don't believe there are two I think sea lion is an imposter and a dog, but no one else seems to want to believe there are two chiuahua's in the game so I'm on my own there.

[claphamsa]

nightfall is alowed, but unless Imnot gonna press daybreak, so if the night actions arent in untill 1PM tommorow then its just a long night.... but feel free to vote nightfall!

[KWhit]

Yeah, I'm convinced. :p

I'm trying to fight this stuff while I'm on a conference call (makes it difficult). I just know what I am and am confused by what sealion and render are saying. None of it adds up.

[hoopsguy]

VOTE KWHIT

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Passacaglia]

I'm trying to fight this stuff while I'm on a conference call (makes it difficult). I just know what I am and am confused by what sealion and render are saying. None of it adds up.

Well, take your time, as far as I'm concerned. I hate nightfall votes.

[RendeR]

So lets get the nightfall votes in and then get orders in as soon after and hopefully get this next day in early enough to have day 5 tomorrow at noon.

[KWhit]

I am the Killer Lolcat. I win with the cats but have a dark aura. I get a one time kill action and am immune to night kills.

[RendeR]

Well, take your time, as far as I'm concerned. I hate nightfall votes.


Oh come on, you can't sit there and say its a bad idea to get an extra day in when we know kwhit is a dog at this point? lets that waiting out of the way and work on the next day?

[hoopsguy]

This is one of the more confusing series of posts that I've read in awhile, but I don't think it has to be hard going forward.

Everyone agrees KWhit was attacking Olie and Olie saw his as wolf. We lynch KWhit, moving right along.

Since both parties who are claiming to be bodyguards protected Oliegirl last night used their power, Olie is toast. Wolves will kill her tonight (barring a LOLcat bodyguard block).

We then move to RendeR if he is uncleared - which will be the case, barring LOLcat scan or block on Olie.

If that fails, then we go after the uncleared folks, with me very much included in that list. Jackal has done a good job of keeping this front and center, so lets not lose track of our expansive COT.

[RendeR]

I am the Killer Lolcat. I win with the cats but have a dark aura. I get a one time kill action and am immune to night kills.


Ok so how many locats are we supposed to believe are in the game and how many with "immune to night kill" anbilities?


its getting a bit silly guys.

[hoopsguy]

I am the Killer Lolcat. I win with the cats but have a dark aura. I get a one time kill action and am immune to night kills.

And I'm the Easter Bunny. Wish I had time to dig up an appropriate picture for this :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Nightfall

Foregone conclusion, right or wrong. We have much more things to worry about.

[Passacaglia]

Oh come on, you can't sit there and say its a bad idea to get an extra day in when we know kwhit is a dog at this point? lets that waiting out of the way and work on the next day?

I generally don't like the idea of messing with the schedule of the game, yes.

[claphamsa]

And I'm the Easter Bunny. Wish I had time to dig up an appropriate picture for this :)

http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?ciid=1272851



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[Passacaglia]

This is one of the more confusing series of posts that I've read in awhile, but I don't think it has to be hard going forward.

Everyone agrees KWhit was attacking Olie and Olie saw his as wolf. We lynch KWhit, moving right along.

Since both parties who are claiming to be bodyguards protected Oliegirl last night used their power, Olie is toast. Wolves will kill her tonight (barring a LOLcat bodyguard block).

We then move to RendeR if he is uncleared - which will be the case, barring LOLcat scan or block on Olie.

If that fails, then we go after the uncleared folks, with me very much included in that list. Jackal has done a good job of keeping this front and center, so lets not lose track of our expansive COT.

Olie is not toast -- remember, mccollins can save her tonight. If we can make sure Sea Lion and RendeR alternate, we should be golden.

[Lathum]

I am the Killer Lolcat. I win with the cats but have a dark aura. I get a one time kill action and am immune to night kills.

when can you perform this kill?

[Coffee Warlord]

Olie is not toast -- remember, mccollins can save her tonight. If we can make sure Sea Lion and RendeR alternate, we should be golden.

You realize how absurd this sounds from a gameplay balancing standpoint?

Something. Is. Not. As. It. Seems.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I'm hoping that McCollins can do exactly that. To some extent, I'll believe it when I see it. I've been burned by super-roles in games before, including my first one ever (either BrianD or Fouts).

[Passacaglia]

You realize how absurd this sounds from a gameplay balancing standpoint?

Something. Is. Not. As. It. Seems.

I agree. Although, there's been a lot of games with two bodyguards -- IIRC correctly, RendeR's Battlestar WereWolf game had me and Narcizo as bodyguards. The seer/fool thing hurts the village, as well as one (maybe two) chihuahuas. The stray was probably intended to hurt the village, but ended up helping us. The lolcats are pretty loopy, but they have to have an attempted night-kill to activate them.

[Coffee Warlord]

I agree. Although, there's been a lot of games with two bodyguards -- IIRC correctly, RendeR's Battlestar WereWolf game had me and Narcizo as bodyguards. The seer/fool thing hurts the village, as well as one (maybe two) chihuahuas. The stray was probably intended to hurt the village, but ended up helping us. The lolcats are pretty loopy, but they have to have an attempted night-kill to activate them.

I find it REALLY hard to believe that there would be two bodyguards in a game this size when there are people also immune to night kills, AND multiple people with the capacity to scan.

Trouble is, I don't have a clue who the liar(s) is/are. And it's making everyone a suspect, since you suspect one, there's a chain reaction of people formerly cleared.

[RendeR]

You realize how absurd this sounds from a gameplay balancing standpoint?

Something. Is. Not. As. It. Seems.


man am I glad SOMEONE else is thinking the same thing I am....

[Lathum]

So does anyone think it is possible Seolian converted oliegirl last night?

[Coffee Warlord]

So does anyone think it is possible Seolian converted oliegirl last night?

Well, there's an angle I didn't think of. My line of thinking has been Seolian is Chihuaha Numero Dos.

Though there is no specified conversion ability on the dog's side.

[KWhit]

when can you perform this kill?

Any night (one time).

[Lathum]

Though there is no specified conversion ability on the dog's side.

not one listed anyway.

I am thinking maybe it takes 2 dogs to convert or maybe he saw sea lion and olie's original and former self.

just spitballing here.

[Passacaglia]

So does anyone think it is possible Seolian converted oliegirl last night?

I'd been afraid to bring up the "c" word, but thinking it for a while. It would really make up for what's been going on.

[Lathum]

Any night (one time).

sorry but I am calling BS.

You were squar;y on the block and didn't reveal any of this prior to the deadline.

And you had to suspect you would be scanned and come up dark so IMO you would have used your ability last night to prove it to us.

[Lathum]

VOTE KWHIT
VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Lathum]

I think we may have lost dang.

He was online at 1:30 today and as far as I know didn't post and didn't vote.

[hoopsguy]

So does anyone think it is possible Seolian converted oliegirl last night?

Normally that stuff doesn't play with a bodyguard (RendeR, in this case) guarding a person.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think for tomorrow's actions with all the conflicting stuff we've got right now.

[KWhit]

Ok so how many locats are we supposed to believe are in the game and how many with "immune to night kill" anbilities?


its getting a bit silly guys.


Yeah, like how many bodyguards are we supposed to believe are in the game, too?

There are some serious shenanigans going on.

[Lathum]

well I think the obvious move is lynch kwhit and re asess after the night phase

[Seolian]

VOTE KWHIT
VOTE NIGHTFALL

[st.cronin]

I agree with hoopsguy and Passacaglia. Lynch KWhit today. If Render is uncleared tomorrow, lynch Render. If Render comes up kitteh, we regroup.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, if everyone else votes nightfall, I will too.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Passacaglia]

Oh, now that the vote is easy, dangarion shows up! :p

[st.cronin]

So does anyone think it is possible Seolian converted oliegirl last night?

I considered this, but I think its very low probability. Clap's post referenced some sort of commotion at night - I think a conversion would have inspired a different description.

[DanGarion]

Because I scanned SeaLion and he came back with a light aura, and he's revealed as the BG.

If you have a problem being called a liar, you are playing the wrong game...

We need to have nightfall, lynch Kwhit and I can scan RendeR...if he comes back Dark Aura we lynch him and have 1 more doggie to lynch for the win...

I just say we go straight for the impostor!

[DanGarion]

Vote Render

[hoopsguy]

Dan, one thing all parties agree upon is that KWhit attacked Oliegirl last night. He seems like the pretty clear choice for the next man off the boat.

If we find ourselves without any new info on RendeR, and there may be multiple avenues to get that info, then we move ahead with him tomorrow.

Slowly but surely we grind through the unknown players (you and me are both on that list, fwiw) while keeping as many of the trusted guys alive. If we are able to do this, and avoid any seismic shifts based on unknown rules in this game, then we are just about assured to get the win.

[DanGarion]

Sorry guys, my wife had mouth surgery yesterday, and I've had some difficulties keeping up with this game. I'm still pretty overwhelmed.

So far the only person I'm even trusting is Olie, since everything checks out with her. Now that I caught up though....

unvote Render
vote Kwhit

[hoopsguy]

Jackal, I'm hoping that you will continue posting that "reveals list" at least once per 50 posts to make it easier to reference.

Wolves, please do not kill Jackal while he is providing this service. K, thx.

[KWhit]

Dan, one thing all parties agree upon is that KWhit attacked Oliegirl last night. He seems like the pretty clear choice for the next man off the boat.

We don't ALL agree on that.

:mad:

[hoopsguy]

Details, details.

[oliegirl]

We don't ALL agree on that.

:mad:

Zip it wolf boy!

[claphamsa]

Sorry guys, my wife had mouth surgery yesterday, and I've had some difficulties keeping up with this game. I'm still pretty overwhelmed.

So far the only person I'm even trusting is Olie, since everything checks out with her. Now that I caught up though....

unvote Render
vote Kwhit

I hope everything is ok!

[oliegirl]

Hope everything is OK with your wife Dangarion!

[DanGarion]

Yeah, it's nothing extremely serious, she had to have the periodontist work on her gums. Going to have to get the second half done next year. :(

Anyway where are those wolfies, let's kill'em.

[Alan T]

Sorry guys, my wife had mouth surgery yesterday, and I've had some difficulties keeping up with this game. I'm still pretty overwhelmed.

So far the only person I'm even trusting is Olie, since everything checks out with her. Now that I caught up though....

unvote Render
vote Kwhit

I didn't know Schmidty was Dan's wife?? :eek:

[The Jackal]

Here ya go hoops.

1.Hoopsguy
5.Lathum- claimed fool, scanned clear by olie
6.Mcollins- claimes lolcat
7.Passacaglia
8.RendeR - claims BG
9.St. Cronin- claims stray
10.Oliegirl- claims seer
11.Eaglefan
12.the Jackal - claims duke
13.coffee warlord- scanned clear by olie
14.seolian - claims BG, scanned clear by olie
15.dangarion
17.Chief Rum

[Passacaglia]

I can't help but think that Dan missed the memo that KWhit was a goner, and voted for someone else to try to save him.

[The Jackal]

I'd like to hear a little from dang over the next couple days if he's able to post, but he's not really high on my importance list at this point. He could be a peripheral wolf but we can deal with that later.

[The Jackal]

I should be able to comment at a regular pace tomorrow as long as I'm at my desk, but I have a class after work and I'll likely be out of touch from 3-8ish.

[The Jackal]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/6/3/izshowcatfea128570141686224786.jpg

[The Jackal]

I was bored. And not quite sober.

[claphamsa]

to those bugging me, you do not have enough votes for nightfall! so go to bed :P

[The Jackal]

nightfall is irrelevant now, if itd happened this afternoon thered've been potential but now, whatever .. plus we actually got some interesting reveals out of this day

[The Jackal]

oh hey i'm a mascot now, rah rah rah and such

[claphamsa]

a dead day and no ketchup porn.....

[Alan T]

a dead day and no ketchup porn.....

Sometimes you have to break a few tomatos.

[The Jackal]

http://www.thetartgallery.com/catsup.jpg

[The Jackal]

that one's for heinz. enjoy the caribbean.

[Lathum]

lol.

Jackyl is funny when he is drunk

[The Jackal]

lol.

Jackyl is funny when he is drunk

thanks for the new sig ;)

[The Jackal]

you should see the picture i wanted to post..

but then i'd probably be banned for a few days

clap knows what i'm talking about

[PurdueBrad]

you should see the picture i wanted to post..

but then i'd probably be banned for a few days

clap knows what i'm talking about


Dead guy here...kinky.

[EagleFan]

I can't make sense of this game. Am I the only on in this game without some kind of powers? It seems that everyone can scan this, be immune to that, attack this, follow that...

No offense to clap as I always appreciate the mods efforts but I am glad this isn't my first game as this could turn off the new players a bit since it seems like mass confusion and needs way too much time dedicated to figure out what is going on.

Unfortunately I am fighting a very nasty headache at the moment so I really have no intention of trying to figure this out for the night, that and I havea conferenc call coning up at midnight with our India offices, another all morning meetingfollowed by a dental procedure and then a meeting with a client tomorrow evening. Add all that together and I may be very infrequent around here the next 24 hours or so.

Staying with my KWhit vote for tomorrow and will add the following:

vote Night Fall

[The Jackal]

EF, we really don't know how crazy this game is. It could be moderately simple with a bunch of people lying recently.

[The Jackal]

And by a bunch, I only mean one or two, but that would elminate the confusion and what not. I think people are taking advantage of the fact that there are some unknowns and some confusion running rampant. Wolves can capitalize on that. What we do know is that we're nailing KWhit today and we'll move on in a sensible manner with the next lynch.

[EagleFan]

That is true except my head is exploding just trying to figure out the reasons behind the lies if we have people lying. If KWhit ends up geing clean the sound you will hear will be that of my head bursting from the possibilities.

One more thig before I log.

Think about the possibility that there is a seperate win condition for these LolCats that have been popping up, or that we believe have been popping up. Maybe overthinking again but what if they are really the "bad guys"?

Sorry, I know I am probably really over complicating things.

[The Jackal]

You aren't overcomplicating anything. That notion has been suggested already, and we're willing to deal with it. But it's my experience that when people try to make things really complicated, they are usually much simpler.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I'm pissed now I DIDN'T get any powers. WTH? Did XMas sell out while I was in the Ramadan line?

[st.cronin]

Its not that complicated. There are basically 4 possibilities.

- There are 2 bodyguards. I think this is very unlikely.
- Seolian and oliegirl are both wolves. I think this is pretty unlikely, too.
- Render is lying. I think this is the most likely scenario. As to why he lied, it seemed to me that he simply forgot that oliegirl had cleared seolian, or else didn't think through what that meant.
- Seolian is a chihuahua. I think this is very unlikely, as well.

In order of plausibility I stack them: Render lying (most plausible), seolian being a chihuahua, there are 2 bodyguards, and seolian and oliegirl both being wolves (least plausible).

[Chief Rum]

VOTE KWHIT

Seems pretty straightforward. If anyone is looking for brilliant analysis from me tonight, you might miss out. This is too nutty for me to try to comprehend after being away all day. So I am toeing the party line and stringing up KWhit for seemingly obvious reasons.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

I'll toss this out there, I guess, so as not to be the reason to hold things up (anymore), but I have to think at this point it don't matter.

[Chief Rum]

Its not that complicated. There are basically 4 possibilities.

- There are 2 bodyguards. I think this is very unlikely.
- Seolian and oliegirl are both wolves. I think this is pretty unlikely, too.
- Render is lying. I think this is the most likely scenario. As to why he lied, it seemed to me that he simply forgot that oliegirl had cleared seolian, or else didn't think through what that meant.
- Seolian is a chihuahua. I think this is very unlikely, as well.

In order of plausibility I stack them: Render lying (most plausible), seolian being a chihuahua, there are 2 bodyguards, and seolian and oliegirl both being wolves (least plausible).

Yup, push comes to shove that's exactly how I figured it. Occam's Razor says Render made a mistake and is in deep kitty litter. I am content to hang KWhit and then Render the next two days.

[The Jackal]

Yeah we need to ignore all this confusion talk and sift through the BS, village is in good shape.

[EagleFan]

Its not that complicated. There are basically 4 possibilities.

- There are 2 bodyguards. I think this is very unlikely.
- Seolian and oliegirl are both wolves. I think this is pretty unlikely, too.
- Render is lying. I think this is the most likely scenario. As to why he lied, it seemed to me that he simply forgot that oliegirl had cleared seolian, or else didn't think through what that meant.
- Seolian is a chihuahua. I think this is very unlikely, as well.

In order of plausibility I stack them: Render lying (most plausible), seolian being a chihuahua, there are 2 bodyguards, and seolian and oliegirl both being wolves (least plausible).

There is another possiblity:

LoLCats have a win condition but can't perform night kills. This means that they need us to lynch the wolves for them and the wolves to night kill us.

I can't see why there would be so many people lying about events as it would make no sense. Why would Sea Lion lie about the protect, especially since he said that he was going to protect mccollins but got the order in late. Why would he even protect mccollins, let alone lie about that in a fake reveal?

Maybe I'm confusing what I already read but I thought RendeR was cleared at some point. With that being the case why would he lie in a fake reveal after the Sea Lion reveal?

Here's another possibility (maybe I'm reaching but it makes sense if I am remembering facts correctly):

SL is a LolCat as is mccollins. mccollins is only immune for one night kill and knew that. SL protects mccollins as the currently only known LolCat. The wolves killing oliegirl helps the LoLCats as they need the wolves around to thin out the normal cats. If this is true than it may point to cronin being a LoLCat as he is trying to get RendeR out of the way if he really is the feline body guard (again this helps the LolCats).

Again, probably overthinking but it's always good to keep all possible solutions in mind.

[EagleFan]

I don't think we should target RendeR. I believe what he said at this point. His lying would not make any sense as he is a good long time player and that sounds like a rookie desperation ploy.

[Chief Rum]

Again, probably overthinking but it's always good to keep all possible solutions in mind.

Yup. I see your point, but fact is, you just lay out another extremely unlikely possibility. All of these fringe possibilities merely detract from the obvious, simplest possibility. I'm not saying these other possibilities aren't what we're seeing, I just don't see how we can bark up those trees first, when we have this big obvious one sitting here in the middle. IMO, it would be dangerously derelict of us to not test the Render is lying hypothesis before jumping for these other theories.

The distance in likelihood between all of these other possibilities and the "Render is lying/made a mistake as a wolf" theory is mammoth.

[EagleFan]

One question though, and this is what I can't get past and keeps pusing me towards the more complicated theory: Why would SL have tried to protect mccollins last night, which is what I believe he first admitted to doing but it seems he had already put in a request to guard oliegirl but put the in mccollins protect too late to count.

Why would he change off his wife, the overall consensus pick of who to guard? Why would he want to change that to mccollins who we believe was attacked and is immune to night kills? Why would he reveal by telling us that he protected mccollins?


The answer to the third question says that we should believe that he at least has BG abilities. With that being said, the answer to questions one an two point to a more compicated scenerio.

[EagleFan]

dola: SL's admitted attempted switch to mccollins tells me that he is getting direction from a more experienced player and it tells me that mccollins woud have only been immune to the first attack. Why else protect him?


Sorry about all the posts. My meeting never happened, I was the only one there, and the meds have helped the headache so I've een on a bit more than I thought (though tomorrow I will most likely miss a lot of the action).

[Chief Rum]

dola: SL's admitted attempted switch to mccollins tells me that he is getting direction from a more experienced player and it tells me that mccollins woud have only been immune to the first attack. Why else protect him?


Sorry about all the posts. My meeting never happened, I was the only one there, and the meds have helped the headache so I've een on a bit more than I thought (though tomorrow I will most likely miss a lot of the action).

No problem. Not like anyone else is here but you and me (likely). ;)

I think what you're forgetting is the newbie factor. Not only is this SL's first game, he was handed a plum role to boot. He has openly spoken of his confusion at points in this game (and frankly, that's not all due to inexperience on his part, considering I think we would all admit to being massively confused at points in this game, regardless of our various veteran statuses). I think it would be very easy for a new player with a role that requires nuanced play (i.e. just about any major WW role) to make a mistake and protect mccollins.

Also, why would the dogs know that mccollins' NK protections only lasts one time? And if SL is a dog, how is he also a BG? And if in some way he is, why would the wolves send their doggy BG to protect mccollins (and does that mean mccollins is a wolf, too)? No, this is being talked around to nothing and back. We must rule out the obvious before chasing off after shadows.

The answers to your three questions is simple, too. He would change from his wife to mccollins because he's a new player who got understandably confused by all the back and forth. And he revealed himself because at that moment we were all screaming for a BG reveal (but unfortunately before having his PM clarified by clap re: olie/mccollins).

[claphamsa]

NIGHTFALL has been achieved!

KWHITT is taken to the pond.... you chuck him in, and he growls and swims away! he almost escapes the lolruss, but fails!

KWHITT has been lynched, KWHITT was a DOG

daybreak will still be at 1 pm

[Passacaglia]

Well, that's one piece of the puzzle figured out.

[Seolian]

dola: SL's admitted attempted switch to mccollins tells me that he is getting direction from a more experienced player and it tells me that mccollins woud have only been immune to the first attack. Why else protect him?


Sorry about all the posts. My meeting never happened, I was the only one there, and the meds have helped the headache so I've een on a bit more than I thought (though tomorrow I will most likely miss a lot of the action).

My thought was that I remembered reading somewhere that the LolCats had all the powers, but only had one time to use them. I was thinking that the dogs would figure I would protect Oliegirl and would figure out that they could get rid of a lolcat as he only had one protection. But for some reason I cannot find where I heard about the one off power with the Lolcats. I am glad that I was late in making that change though. If I had of made that change, I think Olie would have killed me anyway.

[The Jackal]

Did MC ever give a scan result on sea?

[The Jackal]

I'm scanning Seolian and I don't have time to change it.

Haven't heard anything from him on that. Suspicious.

[EagleFan]

NIGHTFALL has been achieved!

KWHITT is taken to the pond.... you chuck him in, and he growls and swims away! he almost escapes the lolruss, but fails!

KWHITT has been lynched, KWHITT was a DOG

daybreak will still be at 1 pm


At least no-one had to hear the sound of my head explode if he ended up being a cat.

That makes 2 doggies down. Without knowing how the LolCats figure into this (sorry, not dropping the possibility that they have a win condition that we don't know about just yet) I would guess we have maybe 2 more to go.

[EagleFan]

Did MC ever give a scan result on sea?

He has scan abilities? I thought he was a LolCat that was immune to night kills? I miised where he mentioned scanning abilities. Can he walk on water too?

[The Jackal]

He has scan abilities? I thought he was a LolCat that was immune to night kills? I miised where he mentioned scanning abilities. Can he walk on water too?

So far he's said that he's immune to night kills (being immune to only one kill was an idea suggested by us, not him), and that he had a one time usage of the BG and seer role.

[The Jackal]

Guess I'll discuss my points of suspicion, no particular order -

Pass - Switched at the deadline from KWhit (dog) to Heinz (lolcat). Possible that he just wanted to avoid a tie, but in my discussion with hoops I made it pretty clear I wasn't looking to let a tie happen.

MC - claims one time lolcat powers and that he found out about being a lolcat during the first failed night kill. If the wolves tried to hit someone and failed, it's very possible that one of them decided to claim being a lolcat so as to get a free pass for a while, since none of us knew what lolcats were or did. also, we've got no way to confirm his powers, really.

RendeR - claims bodyguard after sea lion does, saying he was waiting for a fake claim to nail a wolf, and we know there was a back and forth discussion on whether or not the BG should reveal. the tone of his posts suggest to me that he's telling the truth, and I still feel like that counter-reveal would've been a poor play for a wolf, but we always have to look at the second person to claim a role with a lot of scrutiny.

sea lion - well, he was the first to claim BG. his story about protecting olie checks out, but almost switching to protecting MC throws a wrench into things. he also switched at the deadline from KWhit to Heinz.

EF - you might just be thoroughly confused but you've been pinging the wolfdar since day one, and while it's not enough to launch you to the front of the lynch candidates, my powerful kitteh ears are still perked.

Chances are we won't get a scan result from olie, unless we do have a lolcat BG mechanism that hasn't been used, so we may have to sift through all of this without real evidence.

[Passacaglia]

Pass - Switched at the deadline from KWhit (dog) to Heinz (lolcat). Possible that he just wanted to avoid a tie, but in my discussion with hoops I made it pretty clear I wasn't looking to let a tie happen.

I'll own up to my mistake -- I thought heinz was wolfy, and it was much more about that, than avoiding a tie. I suspected heinz's play on cronin Day 1 was done to save PB, and my suspicions were justified further when PB came up dog. My vote was only on KWhit that whole day to see who would save heinz, who I really wanted lynched that day.

[Passacaglia]

The Jackal -- no mention of CR?

[oliegirl]

Mccollins hasn't posted in here since 2:17 yesterday, and in post #1297 yesterday he referred to having "multiple powers"...but again, he hasn't given information on his scan of SL yesterday, and in that same post he said he'd give more information on them after the night cycle, but hasn't. Suspicious?

[Passacaglia]

He's in the thread, probably catching up now.

[KWhit]

Bah. Good luck dogs.

[Seolian]

Go Detroit Sea Lions. :D

[The Jackal]

The Jackal -- no mention of CR?

I'd have to put CR and dang in the same category of not being able to post much and therefore being hard to read. CR usually provides valuable insight and he seems to play the same way most games. I know he was a wolf in that cruise game posting analysis at night, and then I semi-framed him as a wolf in the chess game because of the same sort of activity. Its very possible one or both of them are wolves, they are just in the UTR category. Youre right though, I should've made an UTR category in my suspicion list.

Then there's hoops. We trust him because of one move made against PB? Its enough to put him below others on the suspicion list, but we have to be wary with him still being uncleared.

[Coffee Warlord]

Olie? I'm thinking Render gets your scan.

Since we apparently have 50,000 bodyguards, you may even survive.

[The Jackal]

I'll own up to my mistake -- I thought heinz was wolfy, and it was much more about that, than avoiding a tie. I suspected heinz's play on cronin Day 1 was done to save PB, and my suspicions were justified further when PB came up dog. My vote was only on KWhit that whole day to see who would save heinz, who I really wanted lynched that day.

That's pretty much what I figured but I wanted to leave it to you to say instead of putting words in your mouth. We'll have to keep that vote in mind as we move forwards though, of course, because it's a nice smoke screen for someone trying to save KWhit without cementing themselves as a dog.

[Passacaglia]

I'd have to put CR and dang in the same category of not being able to post much and therefore being hard to read. CR usually provides valuable insight and he seems to play the same way most games. I know he was a wolf in that cruise game posting analysis at night, and then I semi-framed him as a wolf in the chess game because of the same sort of activity. Its very possible one or both of them are wolves, they are just in the UTR category. Youre right though, I should've made an UTR category in my suspicion list.

Then there's hoops. We trust him because of one move made against PB? Its enough to put him below others on the suspicion list, but we have to be wary with him still being uncleared.

no -- you trust ME because of one move made against PB! Well, two moves against PB, actually. I trust hoops because ten minutes to deadline, PB put in a vote for him Day 1. I don't see PB doing that, as the chihuahua (as opposed to normal dog).

[The Jackal]

no -- you trust ME because of one move made against PB! Well, two moves against PB, actually. I trust hoops because ten minutes to deadline, PB put in a vote for him Day 1. I don't see PB doing that, as the chihuahua (as opposed to normal dog).

Aha. Can you recap the votes or what not from that scenario? I've been so focused on other things (and I believe that was the deadline I was completely out for) that I cant recall the series of events.

[Passacaglia]

on its way

[The Jackal]

Olie? I'm thinking Render gets your scan.

Since we apparently have 50,000 bodyguards, you may even survive.

I agree with this.

Well, the first part at least. I'm inclined to think we only have one bodyguard.

[Coffee Warlord]

I agree with this.

Well, the first part at least. I'm inclined to think we only have one bodyguard.

That second part was meant to be a bit sarcastic. :)

[The Jackal]

dola

but in order to believe we only have one bodyguard, then we have to accept one of three things:

1. MC is a lolcat and is telling the truth and the dogs failed their night attack on him

2. we've gotten really lucky and our bodyguard has blocked two attacks

3. there was a -gasp- conversion one of those nights

[The Jackal]

That second part was meant to be a bit sarcastic. :)

I know. :)

But the difference between 1 and 2 bodyguards is pretty crucial at this stage.

[Coffee Warlord]

So, despite the fact that I still believe that we have a dog in hiding amongst our 'cleared' people, I think our best bet is swing away at those uncleared. I'm betting there are 4 mutts, 1 among our uncleared folk, and 1 among our cleared folk. It's likely going to be easier to get the one in our uncleared list first. Which gives us...

1.Hoopsguy
7.Passacaglia
8.RendeR (i'm still including him here)
11.Eaglefan
15.dangarion
17.Chief Rum

Going to try and go back through the voting record for everyone there, but the name that jumps out is EF, as he was the other member of the ones I was suspicious about in the PB lynch vote.

[Passacaglia]

for hoopsguy:

Coffee Warlord votes Hoopsguy (111) 1-0-0
EagleFan votes PurdueBrad (128) 1-1-0
KWhit votes jeheinz72 (133)
Lathum votes Coffee Warlord (135)
The Jackal votes KWhit (140)
jeheinz72 votes The Jackal (150)
st.cronin votes Lathum (157)
PurdueBrad votes st.cronin (168) 1-1-1
st.cronin unvotes Lathum, votes PurdueBrad (174) 1-2-1
oliegirl votes hoopsguy (185) 2-2-1
Lathum unvotes Coffee Warlord, votes PurdueBrad (187) 2-3-1
Coffee Warlord unvotes hoopsguy, votes oliegirl (188) 1-3-1
jeheinz72 unvotes The Jackal, votes hoopsguy (189) 2-3-1
Seolian votes Coffee Warlord (193)
EagleFan unvotes PurdueBrad (197) 2-2-1
Chief Rum votes PurdueBrad (201) 2-3-1
EagleFan votes hoopsguy (203) 3-3-1
dangarion votes Lathum (204)
Seolian unvotes Coffee Warlord, votes Lathum (207) ***I think this vote was ruled illegal
Alan T votes PurdueBrad (209) 3-4-1
mccollins votes EagleFan (218)
PurdueBrad unvotes st.cronin, votes for mccollins (232) 3-4-0
Lathum unvotes PurdueBrad, votes mccollins (235) 3-3-0
hoopsguy votes jeheinz72 (250)
jeheinz72 unvotes hoopsguy, votes st.cronin (270) 2-3-1
mccollins unvotes EagleFan, votes st.cronin (283) 2-3-2
KWhit unvotes jeheinz72, votes st.cronin (290) 2-3-3
st.cronin gets nervous
Passacaglia votes hoopsguy (299) 3-3-3
Coffee Warlord unvotes oliegirl, votes PurdueBrad (311) 3-4-3
PurdueBrad unvotes mccollins (313)
Lathum unvotes mccollins, votes hoopsguy (314) 4-4-3
hoopsguy unvotes jeheinz72, votes st.cronin (318) 4-4-4
mccollins unvotes st.cronin, votes Coffee Warlord (358) 4-4-3
PurdueBrad votes hoopsguy (364) 5-4-3
Lathum unvotes hoopsguy, votes st.cronin (366) 4-4-4
Passacaglia unvotes hoopsguy, votes PurdueBrad (367) 3-5-4
PurdueBrad unvotes hoopsguy, votes st.cronin (371) 2-5-5

This is post 461 -- the numbers at the end are mine, not cronin's. First number is hoops, then PB, then st.cronin (alphabetical). Looking at the bolded number count, PB puts his vote on hoops, when it's 4-4-3. If hoops is a wolf, I gotta think PB presses his luck and votes cronin, making it 4-4-4.

[The Jackal]

But if hoops is a wolf, maybe they agreed that trying to preserve the life of the cunning wolf was most important? Hoops and I had to decide about voting for each other on day 1 of the chess game, and we went through most possible scenarios.

[Passacaglia]

That vote makes me feel good about mccollins, too -- keep in mind, though, that this was before their was an attempted night-kill on him. Who knows what that means. Maybe he knew he was an lolcat the whole time, but the night-kill attempt meant that he was converted? But jeheinz didn't seem to know he was an lolcat. I guess a lot will depend on what mccollins says this morning, but the funny thing is, even if he tries to mess with our heads, I don't know what he can do to confuse us more than we already are!

[Passacaglia]

But if hoops is a wolf, maybe they agreed that trying to preserve the life of the cunning wolf was most important? Hoops and I had to decide about voting for each other on day 1 of the chess game, and we went through most possible scenarios.

I had considered that, and thought I had an answer for that, but I forget what it was. :p

[The Jackal]

Why does the vote make you feel good about MC? He voted for EF, cronin, then CW. At least the latter two are generally accepted as being cleared, and we would have to assume all the wolves would stack their votes on each other on day one.

[The Jackal]

And I don't know why I'm telling you about what hoops and I were talking about last game, since you already know. :P

[The Jackal]

Why does the vote make you feel good about MC? He voted for EF, cronin, then CW. At least the latter two are generally accepted as being cleared, and we wouldhave to assume all the wolves would stack their votes on each other on day one.

gah, i meant wouldn't

[Passacaglia]

Why does the vote make you feel good about MC? He voted for EF, cronin, then CW. At least the latter two are generally accepted as being cleared, and we would have to assume all the wolves would stack their votes on each other on day one.

Just because the late unvote on cronin saved him.

[The Jackal]

Just because the late unvote on cronin saved him.

Ah, that makes sense.

[Coffee Warlord]

Kwhit- Jackyl 1007, heinze 1072, RendeR 1174, CW1189, Lathum1235
Heinze- Cronin878, CR1062, EagleFan1065,Kwhitt 1100, Olie1148, mcollins 1156, hoops 1192, seolion, pass

Hoops:
Voted and stayed on Heinze

Passa:
Admitted his last second switch from KWhit to Heinze was suspicious. Which, of course, it is. Granted, it wasn't out of character for the way he's played every vote, and further granted, he's an experienced enough player to know how awful that vote looks if he was a wolf.

Render:
Was with me on SeaLion, then moved to KWhit. Not very close vote at the time, as the heavy push to KWhit came later. He's being indicted for other things, but I don't see a huge issue with his voting here.

EF:
Part of the first few votes on Heinz, and that was that. Yet another vote away from a wolf on his part.

Dang:
No vote.

CR:
Early vote on heinz, and that was that from him. Whether it's just from lack of availability or not, I personally haven't felt CR has contributed a lot, and is sliding a bit UTR.

[Passacaglia]

And I don't know why I'm telling you about what hoops and I were talking about last game, since you already know. :P

I got hundreds of PMs from that game -- I definitely didn't remember all of it!

[Coffee Warlord]

All in all.

EF is getting my vote unless we get a seer report, methinks.

[oliegirl]

Nothing from mccolllins, and it looks like he's out of the thread???? Is anyone else alarmed by this?

[Coffee Warlord]

Nothing from mccolllins, and it looks like he's out of the thread???? Is anyone else alarmed by this?

I think his role gets more powerful every time he posts, and could very well be our liar. But, like I said, uncleared people first, IMNSFHO.

[Passacaglia]

Nothing from mccolllins, and it looks like he's out of the thread???? Is anyone else alarmed by this?

Looks like he's in the thread to me.

[The Jackal]

Nothing from mccolllins, and it looks like he's out of the thread???? Is anyone else alarmed by this? I'm not alarmed, but the longer he takes to reply, the more suspicious he gets. He could be slowly catching up if he missed all the talk from yesterday, but it was one of the slower days because of the runaway.

[oliegirl]

Looks like he's in the thread to me.

He wasn't when I posted that, but he is back in now...

[Lathum]

Hoops- Oliegril #185, Eagle Fan #203
Perdue Brad- St. Cronin # 174, chief Rum #201, alan T #209, Coffee Warlord #311, passacaglia #367
Kwhitt- the Jackyl #140
Coffee Warlord- Seolian #193, Mccolins #358
Lathum-Dangerion #204<o></o><o></o>
St.Cronin- Heinze #270, Kwhitt #288, Hoops #318, lahum #365, PB #370ish


Coffee Warlord -- mccollins (493), Chief Rum (661)
st.cronin -- dangarion (743)
PurdueBrad -- st.cronin (506), oliegirl (610), hoopsguy (663), The Jackal (683), Coffee Warlord (726), Kwhit (736), jeheinz72 (745), Passacaglia (750)
oliegirl --
EagleFan -- RendeR (674)
mccollins -- Seolian (692)
hoopsguy -- EagleFan (657), PurdueBrad (668), Lathum (670)

anyone disagreeing with this?


Oliegirl- Lathum 959
Kwhit- Jackyl 1007, Pass 1008, heinze 1072, RendeR 1174, CW1189
Heinze- Cronin878, CR1062, EagleFan1065, Seolion 1066,Kwhitt 1100, Olie1148, mcollins 1156, hoops 1192


just looking at Hoops' voting record it isn't very good.

Day one he votes cronin and leaves it there when it was between Cronin ( known good) and PB ( known bad)

Day 2 he casts the third vote on PB, itt is obvious PB is going down that day, easily could be a ploy to gain trust.

Day 3 when it was between JEHeinze ( known good) and KWhit (known bad) hoops votes Heinze, at the time it makes it 8-5, almost nailing Heinzes coffin and saving KWhit.

[Passacaglia]

just looking at Hoops' voting record it isn't very good.

Day one he votes cronin and leaves it there when it was between Cronin ( known good) and PB ( known bad)

Day 2 he casts the third vote on PB, itt is obvious PB is going down that day, easily could be a ploy to gain trust.

Day 3 when it was between JEHeinze ( known good) and KWhit (known bad) hoops votes Heinze, at the time it makes it 8-5, almost nailing Heinzes coffin and saving KWhit.

I don't know if I would say that it was obvious PB was going down that day at the time hoops placed his vote. But he could have been leaving himself open to changing his vote. That looks like enough for me to take hoops out of my "trusted" list.

[The Jackal]

Which is exactly why I'm not ready to excuse hoops because PB voted for him late day one.

[The Jackal]

i see hoops is around, any thoughts on the goings on to share?

[hoopsguy]

Guys, I'm fine with however you want to proceed with me this game. Scan me, lynch me, whatever. I'm pretty sure we are going to win this game, and probably in short order.

I actually was a later vote than 3rd on PB, although there were a number of votes/unvotes there. In order, I think I came in somewhere around 6th. However, I also think that I had a somewhat significant role to play in examining his fake reveal. Not as much as Cronin who was able to bust him on the BS reveal, but I felt like I played pretty well that day.

Not as well yesterday, obviously.

If Olie wants to scan me, and is able to live to tell about it, I would be happy to be cleared. If not, I understand there are bigger priorities (RendeR) and will deal with the consequences. I'm not protecting a streak anymore :)

[hoopsguy]

The question I've got at this point is how are we looking to proceed if we get a scan from Olie that shows RendeR with a light aura?

If that happens, then we've got two bodyguards who both claimed to block an attack on Oliegirl. Are we going to try and sort through those two or go after the uncleared?

I honestly think the latter is the better play, even if it means that I'm on the "purge" list.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm perfectly happy worrying about the 'uncleared' people if Render comes back kosher. We can sort out that mess later.

[Passacaglia]

The question I've got at this point is how are we looking to proceed if we get a scan from Olie that shows RendeR with a light aura?

If that happens, then we've got two bodyguards who both claimed to block an attack on Oliegirl. Are we going to try and sort through those two or go after the uncleared?

I honestly think the latter is the better play, even if it means that I'm on the "purge" list.

Your last sentence applies exactly to me, as well. I'll take it a step further, and suggest we not even bother scanning RendeR.

[Lathum]

FYI I will probably become very innactive soon.

I'm leaving today for seattle and will have limited time to access the computer.

[The Jackal]

If we're not going to scan RendeR then I'd probably go with EF.

[Passacaglia]

My guess is that mccollins is either unable to post in the thread for the night due to some game mechanic, or he's just afraid to say something, for fear of getting night-killed (I guess this would apply if his lolcat thing was one-time-only).

[Passacaglia]

My guess is that mccollins is either unable to post in the thread for the night due to some game mechanic, or he's just afraid to say something, for fear of getting night-killed (I guess this would apply if his lolcat thing was one-time-only).

Most likely the former -- if his reveal is big enough to be afraid of getting night-killed over, it's probably just worth telling us, just in case he gets night-killed anyway.

[The Jackal]

Maybe he was so shocked by what he saw last night that he's catatonic.

[Passacaglia]

Maybe he was so shocked by what he saw last night that he's catatonic.

Good thing you didn't say dogatonic, otherwise we would have had to lynch him.

[hoopsguy]

Good thing you didn't say dogatonic, otherwise we would have had to lynch him.

It would be catastrophic to lynch the guy who can't be night killed.

I wish I hadn't made that pun ...

[claphamsa]

FYI all, I have a meeting from 1-2 im trying to decide whether to end the night at 1245, or make you all wait till i get back at 2!

[Passacaglia]

Doesn't matter to me.

[hoopsguy]

Whatever works - there certainly has been a big enough time window to send in orders today compared with other days.

[EagleFan]

My guess is that mccollins is either unable to post in the thread for the night due to some game mechanic, or he's just afraid to say something, for fear of getting night-killed (I guess this would apply if his lolcat thing was one-time-only).

If it was a one time thing than we need to reconsider that LolCats have their own win condition. That would again be the only good explanation for SL attempting to protect him in a last minute, though late, switch. If he is a LoLCat and they are communicating with each other as they have their own win condition.

I don't want to think that we are winning this by getting rid of wolves only to be blind sided by finding out that the LolCats have been manipulating the entire game.

I believe that RendeR is good and is the BG. He would not make a reveal like that to implicate himself. Why waste a scan that way?


Currently I suspect that we have a third team amon us that e also need to contend with but I also have a growing not trust list:

CoT:
RendeR
oliegirl
Jackal

CoD:
Lathum - his voting record those first couple days screams out as something to be looked at
Pass - seemed to be trying to save KWhitt, a known wolf
mccollins - what do we really know about his supposed night attack survival, maybe we was converted for all we know or the 3rd team arguement
hoops - the recent look into his voting record has me wondering
SL - fake reveal? 3rd team?

Not sure:
CW - can't figure him out as he seems to be trying to manipulate in a very subtile manner
dang - no idea here at all
CR - again, no idea


As for myself, there is no reason for anyone to trust me. The only thing I can say is that in my few games I am a MUCH better villager than wolf as I am better at figuring things out than being sneaky (I have been taken out withint the first 2 days every time I was a wolf).

For the team's sake I would rather see you lynch me than RendeR as it would be stupid of us to lynch the BG. Of course, lynching a wolf would be a better choice of the three.

[oliegirl]

I vote for a 12:45 deadline...I'm going to be leaving about 1ish and really don't want to have to wait around if I don't have to :) The pool is calling my name...don't you hear it? "Oliegirl...come bask in the rays of the sun"

:D

[The Jackal]

EF:

You're really pushing this third team argument hard. I grant you that it's possible, but I think we should keep things simple right now. If there is a third team, they aren't the wolves, and they want the wolves out too, so we could deal with them afterwards.

I don't know how you can put RendeR in a COT. I lean towards believing him as well, but that's a hell of a reach.

Futhermore if you have olie in your COT then you can't be doubting Lathum or CW much. Lathum/Olie are the seer roles, someone else would have countered by now if there was another one. And CW could be a lolcat or another chihuahua, I guess, but I doubt there'd be two of that role in one game. I think it's more likely people are lying.

[The Jackal]

Another argument against the three team theory - if there are 2 or 3 lolcats, they can't kill anyone. Would their only victory condition be to survive lynchings until the end and achieve an even ratio? Donno. Usually third teams are at least able to perform some kind of kill.

[claphamsa]

unless i hear an objection soon, ill end thenight at 1245 so you alls dont have to hang out wondering :)

[The Jackal]

12:45 sounds good to me.

[Passacaglia]

EF:

You're really pushing this third team argument hard. I grant you that it's possible, but I think we should keep things simple right now. If there is a third team, they aren't the wolves, and they want the wolves out too, so we could deal with them afterwards.

I don't know how you can put RendeR in a COT. I lean towards believing him as well, but that's a hell of a reach.

Futhermore if you have olie in your COT then you can't be doubting Lathum or CW much. Lathum/Olie are the seer roles, someone else would have countered by now if there was another one. And CW could be a lolcat or another chihuahua, I guess, but I doubt there'd be two of that role in one game. I think it's more likely people are lying.

I'm with you up to your last sentence. I don't have a problem believing all the reveals now, and going after uncleared people. I won't say who I think should be scanned in that group since I'm one of them, unless olie wants to know.

[Seolian]

1245 is good for me as well.

[The Jackal]

Oh, I'm all for going after the uncleared people first. Was just trying to downplay the massive confusion that seems to have engulfed some people.

[The Jackal]

I think whoever Olie chooses is beneficial for us, assuming she's still alive. I would definitely like to know what team CR is on, because it's going to be really hard to figure that out without a scan or lynch.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm with you up to your last sentence. I don't have a problem believing all the reveals now, and going after uncleared people. I won't say who I think should be scanned in that group since I'm one of them, unless olie wants to know.

Didn't you just yesterday say people should be looking at me?

[Lathum]

EF, like others mentioned there is no way I can't be in your CoT, yet you put Render in ?

makes no sense at all.

I think the scans should go to either hoops, pass or EF.

[Passacaglia]

Didn't you just yesterday say people should be looking at me?

Yep. You're right behind all the uncleareds. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten you! :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Yep. You're right behind all the uncleareds. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten you! :)

BRRRRRING IT.

No, in all honesty, everyone I've seriously gunned for has wound up being at cat (or so we think for some of them) thus far. Not my best analytical work thus far. I'll take the flak for that, but I am indeed, as far as I know, a vanilla gato.

[oliegirl]

Hopefully mccollins has managed to get his night order in, and if his bg power is real, will guard me tonight. I've submitted my order to Clap, so now it's just a wait and see.

Mccollins - you've been here for a while but haven't said anything...can you give us any information?

[Lathum]

allright kids, I'm out for a while. Headed to the airport.

[The Jackal]

enjoy seattle

[EagleFan]

EF, like others mentioned there is no way I can't be in your CoT, yet you put Render in ?

makes no sense at all.

I think the scans should go to either hoops, pass or EF.

A fake reveal by RendeR would seem like a rookie wolf move. The SL late change to mccollins makes NO SENSE, even as explained as a rookie move. If I'm a BG for the first time and gthe crowd is screaming for me to protect oliegirl because she is believed to be the seer I would sure as hell not make a last minute attempt to change from that. Especially if that person was my wife. Especially to change to someone who everyone seems to belive to be immune to night attack. This thought process keeps getting put discarded and I don't know why. Unless the people discarding it are who we need to be worried about.

As for my distrust of you. Your vote record says it all. Why should we trust you, because you claim to be the fool? Your vote record, the fact that roles may not be limited to one (another chihuahua?) and that there could be a convert out there are enough to make me wonder about you.

PB seemed to extend himself quite a bit and drew suspicion on himself soon. Why would the wolves want a light scanning dog to do that? Unless maybe they have another.

[The Jackal]

sea lion - well, he was the first to claim BG. his story about protecting olie checks out, but almost switching to protecting MC throws a wrench into things. he also switched at the deadline from KWhit to Heinz.

We haven't discarded sea at all, EF. Nor do I think we've accepted that he's telling the truth.

[The Jackal]

I do agree though that we have to worry about what kind of strength the wolves still have. I can't see clap giving us two bodyguards, a double scan for our seer, and two+ lolcats with night time immunity and one use powers. That's why I suggested that maybe one of the lolcats could be converted when attacked, and the other would get powers to help the kitties.

[The Jackal]

err, I forgot to tack on to my second sentence there - I can't see clap giving us all that without giving the wolves something to balance it out.

[st.cronin]

My wag theory on the lolcats: There was one for the village, one for the wolves. Had heinz been night-killed he would have become a lolcat working for the dogs.

[The Jackal]

My wag theory on the lolcats: There was one for the village, one for the wolves. Had heinz been night-killed he would have become a lolcat working for the dogs.

And of course we have to consider that MC is the one working for the dogs, in that case.

[Passacaglia]

My wag theory on the lolcats: There was one for the village, one for the wolves. Had heinz been night-killed he would have become a lolcat working for the dogs.

I was thinking that, too. But couldn't mccollins have been just as likely to be the lolcat working for the dogs?

[The Jackal]

I think that's a yes, Pass. ;)

[Passacaglia]

And of course we have to consider that MC is the one working for the dogs, in that case.

What?!? I totally disagree! :p

[oliegirl]

Still nothing from mccollins? Hate to say it but I'm starting to think he's dug himself a hole somehow and doesn't know how to get out of it. Would this be his first time as a wolf? Maybe he lied to save himself/gain trust and now he just doesn't know what to say??? No clue on this, it's baffling that he's been silent since 2:15 yesterday thought...

[claphamsa]

deadline pms out soon

[mccollins]

WHEW! FINALLY.

I became exhausted / paralyzed after the last deadline - presumably for performing more than one action that day. I was not allowed to post in the thread or perform any night actions for the night we just completed (I've been typing this up as deadline approached). Hopefully, the wolves thought Oliegirl was guarded.

I was able to complete both actions (requested in 1321 and 1334, I have to request within the thread). I followed EagleFan and he didn't do anything, but that doesn't tell us anything because KWhit was the one attacking Oliegirl (based on Cronin's follow). I scanned SeaLion and he came back with a 'light' aura.

Passacaglia (and others?) figured out that I was unable to speak. I tried to post a lot in other threads and stay online in this thread (I did all day yesterday as well) in order to indicate this.

Coffee Warlord (I believe?) figured out that I do indeed have a one-time use of each power in the game (and I can mess with the vote a little bit). As far as I know, I can not be night killed and I can be lynched.

Glad to be back. To reitterate:
I win when the cats win. Confirmed.

[The Jackal]

Still nothing from mccollins? Hate to say it but I'm starting to think he's dug himself a hole somehow and doesn't know how to get out of it. Would this be his first time as a wolf? Maybe he lied to save himself/gain trust and now he just doesn't know what to say??? No clue on this, it's baffling that he's been silent since 2:15 yesterday thought...

All I can say is that I think Pass is probably right about him being gagged for this entire day/night.

[Coffee Warlord]

We haven't discarded sea at all, EF. Nor do I think we've accepted that he's telling the truth.

He was, however, scanned as Light by Olie.

[st.cronin]

Well, to me that's the nail in Render's coffin.

[The Jackal]

He was, however, scanned as Light by Olie.

Right, that's what he has going for him.

[Passacaglia]

WHEW! FINALLY.

I became exhausted / paralyzed after the last deadline - presumably for performing more than one action that day. I was not allowed to post in the thread or perform any night actions for the night we just completed (I've been typing this up as deadline approached). Hopefully, the wolves thought Oliegirl was guarded.

I was able to complete both actions (requested in 1321 and 1334, I have to request within the thread). I followed EagleFan and he didn't do anything, but that doesn't tell us anything because KWhit was the one attacking Oliegirl (based on Cronin's follow). I scanned SeaLion and he came back with a 'light' aura.

Passacaglia (and others?) figured out that I was unable to speak. I tried to post a lot in other threads and stay online in this thread (I did all day yesterday as well) in order to indicate this.

Coffee Warlord (I believe?) figured out that I do indeed have a one-time use of each power in the game (and I can mess with the vote a little bit). As far as I know, I can not be night killed and I can be lynched.

Glad to be back. To reitterate:

Which two actions did you perform on the same day?

[st.cronin]

I was thinking that, too. But couldn't mccollins have been just as likely to be the lolcat working for the dogs?

I guess that's possible, but I feel like he would have played things a little differently if that were the case. I don't have an argument why he couldn't be on the dogs side, though.

[claphamsa]

ok al PMs are out!


daybreak, you wake up from a restless (and long)night, to find Chief Rum dead

Chief Rum has bee nightkilled chief rum was a kitten!

next deadline is 11 AM tommorow, because of the move...

[oliegirl]

WHEW! FINALLY.

I became exhausted / paralyzed after the last deadline - presumably for performing more than one action that day. I was not allowed to post in the thread or perform any night actions for the night we just completed (I've been typing this up as deadline approached). Hopefully, the wolves thought Oliegirl was guarded.

I was able to complete both actions (requested in 1321 and 1334, I have to request within the thread). I followed EagleFan and he didn't do anything, but that doesn't tell us anything because KWhit was the one attacking Oliegirl (based on Cronin's follow). I scanned SeaLion and he came back with a 'light' aura.

Passacaglia (and others?) figured out that I was unable to speak. I tried to post a lot in other threads and stay online in this thread (I did all day yesterday as well) in order to indicate this.

Coffee Warlord (I believe?) figured out that I do indeed have a one-time use of each power in the game (and I can mess with the vote a little bit). As far as I know, I can not be night killed and I can be lynched.

Glad to be back. To reitterate:

So were you able to put in an order to guard me tonight with your one use bg power or am I going to be dog kibble tonight?

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, to me that's the nail in Render's coffin.

While I still want to deal with the uncleareds/Render first, I still have doubts to the legitimacy of MC's all encompassing powers.

[The Jackal]

CR? Interesting.

[Passacaglia]

Oh, I see -- you followed EagleFan. Why?

[The Jackal]

olie - results?

[mccollins]

Which two actions did you perform on the same day?

Read my post that you quoted - I even gave the post numbers.

[Coffee Warlord]

Chief Rum has bee nightkilled chief rum was a kitten!

next deadline is 11 AM tommorow, because of the move...

Does anyone else find it exceptionally odd the dogs would pick someone we haven't cleared?

[Passacaglia]

Cool, olie didn't die. I was all set to go after mickey c for it. I think we're good, though. olie, scan results?

[Passacaglia]

Does anyone else find it exceptionally odd the dogs would pick someone we haven't cleared?

Yes. But what do you make of it, other than that?

[mccollins]

So were you able to put in an order to guard me tonight with your one use bg power or am I going to be dog kibble tonight?

Please re-read the post you just quoted.

[Coffee Warlord]

Yes. But what do you make of it, other than that?

Aside from increasing my belief that we have at least 1 wolf in our 'cleared' list...not much right now.

[The Jackal]

Does anyone else find it exceptionally odd the dogs would pick someone we haven't cleared?

Yes. Either olie has been converted or they are trying to confuse us.

[mccollins]

Oh, I see -- you followed EagleFan. Why?

Because he was and is pinging my wolfdar and is uncleared.

[oliegirl]

I scanned RendeR, and he came back light. That was all I was told...

Yay - I'm alive!!!!

:)

[The Jackal]

Because he was and is pinging my wolfdar and is uncleared.

Next time dont announce who you're following before the deadline. ;)

[Coffee Warlord]

Yes. Either olie has been converted or they are trying to confuse us.

If she was converted, it happened tonight. No way is her first act as a convert to out another dog, with one already dead. And I still kind of doubt that's a power in the game.

[oliegirl]

And for the record, I've not been converted...I'm still a kitty (insert really bad tasteless joke involving female parts here)

;)

[Passacaglia]

Because he was and is pinging my wolfdar and is uncleared.

That may be, but if the following is a one-time ability, it would have been better to use it when there's only one wolf left. As it is, EF may be a wolf, just not that one who made the kill. I know it's not like you knew that would incapacitate you, but I just feel like it would have been more useful later.

[The Jackal]

Ill update that list, one sec.

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote EF

Of the uncleared people, he has, in my opinion, the worst voting record.

[Passacaglia]

I scanned RendeR, and he came back light. That was all I was told...

Yay - I'm alive!!!!

:)

I was really hoping you would have scanned one of me, Dan, hoops, CR, or EF. Oh well.

[st.cronin]

Ok, I actually believe Render, now, too - I followed him last night, and he was basically behaving like a bodyguard. I think we need to look at:

Coffee Warlord
hoopsguy

[The Jackal]

I guess we're going to be lynching one of the uncleared people today, then.

1.Hoopsguy
5.Lathum- claimed fool, scanned clear by olie
6.Mcollins- claimes lolcat
7.Passacaglia
8.RendeR - claims BG, scanned clear by olie
9.St. Cronin- claims stray
10.Oliegirl- claims seer
11.Eaglefan
12.the Jackal - claims duke
13.coffee warlord- scanned clear by olie
14.seolian - claims BG, scanned clear by olie
15.dangarion

[st.cronin]

Jackal, why isn't coffee on that list?

[st.cronin]

oh, never mind...

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[mccollins]

Next time dont announce who you're following before the deadline. ;)

As I mentioned in my long post, one of the (sucky) quirks is that I have to post my orders in the thread.

But it doesn't much matter now because I only get one use of each power. I'll probably go ahead and use the bodyguard tonight since I can't be secretive about it anyways. That way the bodyguards can protect each other or set up to rotate protecting Oliegirl.

That is, unless one of them happens to be a chiuaua.

[The Jackal]

As I mentioned in my long post, one of the (sucky) quirks is that I have to post my orders in the thread.

My bad MC, I missed that.

[The Jackal]

hoops over EF, cronin?

[mccollins]

That may be, but if the following is a one-time ability, it would have been better to use it when there's only one wolf left. As it is, EF may be a wolf, just not that one who made the kill. I know it's not like you knew that would incapacitate you, but I just feel like it would have been more useful later.

I agree now (obviously) and I see how a follow can work like a seer scan later in the game.

Honestly, I was trying to do multiple actions in order to try to get more proof that I am what I say I am. Since (I think) I can only die by lynch I wanted to do whatever necessary to prevent that.

[mccollins]

Jackal (and everyone), remember to always use the terms light and dark in reference to scans. If we really have 2 bodyguards and had the opportunity for 2 LolCats, I think it is quite possible there is more than one chiuaua. Or at least 4-5 dogs.

I agree with those looking to find where the balance is for the dogs.

[EagleFan]

Vote EF

Of the uncleared people, he has, in my opinion, the worst voting record.

How? Pass makes a late change to save a wolf and you think that I have the worst voting record? Interesting...

[oliegirl]

I was really hoping you would have scanned one of me, Dan, hoops, CR, or EF. Oh well.

I scanned RendeR b/c I figured that he had the most "controversy" around him, and that until that was settled and he was either cleared or not cleared, we really wouldn't be able to go forward. Also, if he came back cleared, that is another bg - and like mccollins suggested, they can set up on "rotation" to guard me so I can continue to scan people.

SL is away from his desk right now, not answering my IM's (not about ww btw), he must be in a meeting or something. I do not know who he bg'd but it wasn't me b/c he guarded me the night before. So one of either mccollins, SL or RendeR needs to be sure to guard me tomorrow night. I'll scan whoever gets the most "requests" - Pass, Hoops, EF, Dangarion. Just let me know who you'd like scanned...ONE request per person please, let's work together and make this simple... :)

[The Jackal]

Scan Pass.

[st.cronin]

olie, I don't think it makes a difference who you scan. Any one of those would be good choices.

[EagleFan]

About to head to the dentist for a while. Going to make an early vote which CW will probably say is supicious but oh well.

I have a weird feeling about this person anyway.

vote hoops


At least RendeR has been cleared like I've been saying all along.

[mccollins]

I made this yesterday when it seemed like a bunch of people were lying (during the double BG reveal). However, I wasn't allowed to post. For your enjoyment only:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/6/3/icanhasbologn128569922474506036.jpg

[EagleFan]

Scan me, I want cleared once and for all. I've been followed twice now I believe and have just been sitting here playing wih a ball of yarn and enjoying catnip each time.

[The Jackal]

Scan me, I want cleared once and for all. I've been followed twice now I believe and have just been sitting here playing wih a ball of yarn and enjoying catnip each time.

drugs are bad, mmkay.

[mccollins]

I can't be secretive about this so I'm just going to go ahead and get this out of the way:

I gotz yer back Olie
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/6/4/igotzyerbac128570732022639536.jpg

[The Jackal]

Maybe we do really have two bodyguards, and that's why the wolves went after CR, because he was pretty much assured of not being protected, and they've had two no night kills already.

[mccollins]

(From my initial discussion with claphamsa, the instruction doesn't have to be bolded and I don't have to have a picture, but it has to be in lolspeak and he wants to be entertained.)

[The Jackal]

(From my initial discussion with claphamsa, the instruction doesn't have to be bolded and I don't have to have a picture, but it has to be in lolspeak and he wants to be entertained.)

That definitely sounds like clap.

[The Jackal]

Well I'd still like to hear back from cronin on why he wants to vote hoops over the others, and there's certainly no rush on my vote placement, so I'll hold off a bit.

[The Jackal]

sea, render, i wouldn't announce who you protected last night. if one of you isnt a bodyguard, then it'd be a lie. if you are both bodyguards, then don't telegraph to the wolves who you can't protect the next night phase. either way i don't think it's necessary info to reveal.

[The Jackal]

unless of course you feel the need to coordinate or some such, but i guess that's up to you guys.

[st.cronin]

I don't have a real good reason. He's been mildly pinging my wolfdar since day 1.

[st.cronin]

I think one of the bodyguards should volunteer to protect oliegirl, but the other one should not say who he is protecting.

[Coffee Warlord]

How? Pass makes a late change to save a wolf and you think that I have the worst voting record? Interesting...

Pass is right up there with you, but I just can't see a real wolf being that blatant on that vote. It could be a case of hiding in plain sight, I suppose, but that's awfully dicey. You're the last of the people on the opposite block of PB lynching vote still alive/unpsuedocleared. That's where my thinking goes.

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola.

So we have...3 freakin' bodyguards now? Even a 1 time bodyguard + 2 others is outrageous.

[claphamsa]

That definitely sounds like clap.


so sue me :)

Im dissapointed by the downturn in lolpostings!

[hoopsguy]

If I'm the guy get voting off today, that is fine. Just keep grinding away at the uncleared folks and we'll have a kitteh victory party.

[mccollins]

I think one of the bodyguards should volunteer to protect oliegirl, but the other one should not say who he is protecting.

I'm protecting her tonight (post 1728), but I agree with this for tomorrow night.

[claphamsa]

Eagles Fan- Coffee WArlord- 1709
Hoopsguy-cronin1712, ealgesfan 1724

anyone see any more i missed?

[DanGarion]

Yes. Either olie has been converted or they are trying to confuse us.

Yeah that's the only thing I can make sense of this. I mean why would the wolves waste their kill on someone that the cats aren't sure of.

I mean look at Olie's voting record... Something doesn't add up here...

[DanGarion]

Go ahead and scan me olie... I have nothing to hide.

[mccollins]

I mean look at Olie's voting record... Something doesn't add up here...

What part of Olie's voting record doesn't add up?

[oliegirl]

What part of Olie's voting record doesn't add up?

That is what I was going to ask!

[DanGarion]

What part of Olie's voting record doesn't add up?

I've been tallying up some things and was looking at it this morning before coming into work, I don't have access to it right now, maybe someone else has her voting tallys that they could post?

I just was reading through rules and looking at old games, and got to start thinking about the possibility that she might have converted. Maybe I'm wrong, but something just seems fishy. But I'm new so I might not know what I'm talking about...

I can't get my tally sheet till I'm back from work, much later today

[hoopsguy]

I haven't looked at Oliegirl's voting record because no one has countered her claim as the seer - seer is in the game, it is always a good guy role, pretty much end of story for me.

I haven't seen anything in the rules that suggests a conversion so I've discarded that as a possibility. Of course, I had pretty much disregarded two bodyguards in conjunction with another role that can scan + protect as well until Olie cleared them both.

I guess I'm not sure where to go in terms of "thinking outside the box" with this game because there have been things that just normally aren't part of our standard WW ruleset. Which is fine, but I'm not sure whether to apply logic or imagination to my choices. I've been opting for logic, but the wolf kills/attacks seem to be suggesting I'm looking at the game differently than they are. Because I don't see how they could think the moves they are making are remotely optimal.

[hoopsguy]

VOTE DANGARION

I'm going with the "inexperienced wolf" theory here, coupled with a lack of a claimed role. And, finally, questioning the seer.

I'm fine if you guys decide to take me out today. But I'm not going to self-vote and I'm still going to try and add value until I'm thrown into the dunk tank with the LOLrus.

[claphamsa]

Eagles Fan- Coffee WArlord- 1709
Hoopsguy-cronin1712, ealgesfan 1724
Dangerion-Hoops 1749