WW LXXIV Killer Kittens on Mount FujiMori day (GAME OVER- KITTENS WIN)

[oliegirl]

So now Dangarion is calling the seer out??? Wow...

I haven't been converted. I imagine I wasn't attacked last night because the wolves assumed that either mccollins or RendeR was guarding me. They obviously knew RendeR wasn't a wolf so they figured it wasn't worth wasting an attack. That is just my theory - I have nothing to prove it, but without a better explanation, it's all I've got.

I'm not a wolf. No one has successfully attacked me. I've posted my scans, outed Kwhit after I scanned him, and haven't moved my votes around much like others have...

Not really sure why I'm being called out here...best knee jerk reaction is that Dan is a wolf and figures if he casts enough suspicion on me you'll lynch me and the seer will be gone...there certainly are others that look more suspicious than me at this point.

[mccollins]

hoops, I'm thinking (and have been thinking) the same thing. However, I'll wait and let him make a case.

[oliegirl]

VOTE DANGARION

I'm going with the "inexperienced wolf" theory here, coupled with a lack of a claimed role. And, finally, questioning the seer.

I'm fine if you guys decide to take me out today. But I'm not going to self-vote and I'm still going to try and add value until I'm thrown into the dunk tank with the LOLrus.

LOL - Hoops...get out of my head!!! :p

[mccollins]

Eagles Fan- Coffee WArlord- 1709
Hoopsguy-cronin1712, ealgesfan 1724
Dangerion-Hoops 1749


The cronin vote is 1714, but to answer your earlier question, no there are no other votes.

[claphamsa]

Eagles Fan- Coffee WArlord- 1709
Hoopsguy-cronin1714, ealgesfan 1724
Dangerion-Hoops 1749


close enough!

[st.cronin]

I think the wolves killed Chief Rum because they thought olie was going to scan him.

[Coffee Warlord]

I think the wolves killed Chief Rum because they thought olie was going to scan him.

That's a stretch, since there were at least 3 other people (Passa, Hoops, and Render) who were more likely to be scanned.

[hoopsguy]

Wolves moves:
Night 1 - kill Alan
Night 2 - can't kill McCollins
Night 3 - blocked by two bodyguards attacking Olie
Night 4 - kill Chief Rum

N1: taking out a strong veteran player who doesn't have suspicion. Professional move. PB and KWhit are both on wolves team at this point.

N2: really off-the-map selection here with McCollins comes back to haunt them

N3: going after the obvious candidate, not knowing there are three people with option to guard the obvious candidate. Experienced move playing chicken with the BG? Rookie mistake? Someone putting in orders not there around deadline (KWhit was there, right?). Another tough one to figure

N4: taking out one of the uncleared players when there are very few uncleared players. Most confusing night kill yet. Maybe they are giving up? Maybe they just wanted to get a successful kill after two straight nights? Those are the only reasons I can think of that don't involve our trust list being compromised.


Gah - this sucks. I've got to be missing something here, because I just don't believe that we had multiple uncontested reveals that were bullshit. Our trust list should be pretty solid. I just don't understand why the wolves are accelerating our process of purging the uncleared guys.

[mccollins]

I think the wolves killed Chief Rum because they thought olie was going to scan him.

I don't understand - why would that make them want to kill him more?

[st.cronin]

Well, assume Render IS a bodyguard - they're not going after him. And I think pass has generally been regarded as semi-cleared. And finally, pass had made a semi-convincing argument that hoops is kitten. Oliegirl seemed to buy it, anyway.

[st.cronin]

I don't understand - why would that make them want to kill him more?

It would make oliegirl look bad.

[Passacaglia]

That's a stretch, since there were at least 3 other people (Passa, Hoops, and Render) who were more likely to be scanned.

Not to mention Dan and EF.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, assume Render IS a bodyguard - they're not going after him. And I think pass has generally been regarded as semi-cleared. And finally, pass had made a semi-convincing argument that hoops is kitten. Oliegirl seemed to buy it, anyway.

Uh, why wouldn't they wanna kill the bodyguard? And how has Pass been even remotely cleared?

[Passacaglia]

Well, assume Render IS a bodyguard - they're not going after him. And I think pass has generally been regarded as semi-cleared. And finally, pass had made a semi-convincing argument that hoops is kitten. Oliegirl seemed to buy it, anyway.

I'm reading things a lot differently -- I feel like I've got a lot of suspicion on me now, and my argument about hoops was pretty much refuted.

[st.cronin]

Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.
Pass made a late vote on day 1 for PurdueBrad.

[Passacaglia]

Uh, why wouldn't they wanna kill the bodyguard? And how has Pass been even remotely cleared?

i think they figured the BGs would protect themselves.

[Coffee Warlord]

So.

Did Pass make a late vote on day 1 for someone?

[st.cronin]

I'm reading things a lot differently -- I feel like I've got a lot of suspicion on me now, and my argument about hoops was pretty much refuted.

I didn't buy your argument about hoops, but I thought oliegirl did. My point is that the wolves may have tried to make a guess about who oliegirl would scan.

[Coffee Warlord]

i think they figured the BGs would protect themselves.

With the seer out there in plain site? No freakin' way.

'Course, to sound like a broken record. I still don't buy 2 full fledged bodyguards.

[st.cronin]

i think they figured the BGs would protect themselves.

bingo

[st.cronin]

With the seer out there in plain site? No freakin' way.

'Course, to sound like a broken record. I still don't buy 2 full fledged bodyguards.

Ah, except both bodyguards had claimed to have guarded oliegirl the night prior. So neither was available to guard her - they likely would have guarded themselves. And mccollins had said he was going to guard olie.

[Coffee Warlord]

Ah, except both bodyguards had claimed to have guarded oliegirl the night prior. So neither was available to guard her - they likely would have guarded themselves. And mccollins had said he was going to guard olie.

I was just about to correct myself on that one. My bad there.

[st.cronin]

If we assume Render, seolian, and oliegirl are all being truthful, the Chief Rum kill makes a little bit of sense. It still doesn't seem ideal - why not me or Lathum, or The Jackal?

[mccollins]

It would make oliegirl look bad.

Because she couldn't produce a scan? Ok, I can see that. But CR would've been down the list of people to scan. I see your point though.

[Coffee Warlord]

If we assume Render, seolian, and oliegirl are all being truthful, the Chief Rum kill makes a little bit of sense. It still doesn't seem ideal - why not me or Lathum, or The Jackal?

There's just no scenario I can think of, given the publically available ruleset, that would make good tactical sense to off someone in the unknown list vs the 'known' list.

The only two reasons I can think of...

1) The dogs know more about the rules than we do, and CR was involved in it for some reason.

2) The dogs wanted to pick a completely off the wall target to either be totally sure they got a kill, or to cause us to say WTF all day.

[mccollins]

2) The dogs wanted to pick a completely off the wall target to either be totally sure they got a kill

That has been my first and only guess.

Much like looking back at Alan's vote, I think we need to go back and look at CR's analysis. Perhaps he hit a little too close to home? I don't recall what he said in all those posts the night before last, but last night he just said that KWhit was the obvious move.

[Coffee Warlord]

That has been my first and only guess.

Which I still don't like all that much, because there's a plethora of people in the cleared list who had about a 99% chance of not being protected last night, myself included.

[Passacaglia]

There's just no scenario I can think of, given the publically available ruleset, that would make good tactical sense to off someone in the unknown list vs the 'known' list.

The only two reasons I can think of...

1) The dogs know more about the rules than we do, and CR was involved in it for some reason.

2) The dogs wanted to pick a completely off the wall target to either be totally sure they got a kill, or to cause us to say WTF all day.

I think the spirit of what you're saying is right, CW -- it's just that since olie, BGs, and mccollins were all untouchable, you have to wonder why they didn't go after people like cronin, Lathum, and you.

[Passacaglia]

oh, and The Jackal -- but they might be hoping they can use him to off another villager at some point.

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh. Get out of my head.

[Passacaglia]

Maybe they're worried that one of the uncleareds has some other power.

[Coffee Warlord]

Fuck, we have enough supposed powers for 2 games worth of villagers as it is.

[Passacaglia]

Fuck, we have enough supposed powers for 2 games worth of villagers as it is.

All these villager powers seems to be really upsetting you.

[Coffee Warlord]

All these villager powers seems to be really upsetting you.

Yes. Yes they are. I am convinced there's one, maybe two liars in there.

No, not because I'm a wolf, but because I think we're taking way too much shit for granted.

[hoopsguy]

CW, I'm starting to come around to your way of thinking that the trust list isn't rock solid, but I'm having a hard time buying two members in that list - there hasn't been a single role reveal that has been challenged, right? Except for two bodyguards, both of who have light auras per the seer.

[Coffee Warlord]

CW, I'm starting to come around to your way of thinking that the trust list isn't rock solid, but I'm having a hard time buying two members in that list - there hasn't been a single role reveal that has been challenged, right? Except for two bodyguards, both of who have light auras per the seer.

Which is a very big hole in my argument, I know. And no, I have no answer to that, especially since the 2 people I find most questionable in the trusted list (Seolian and Mccollins), have been cleared by Olie.

And I *really* don't even want to think that Olie has been stringing us along all this time.

[oliegirl]

Well, assume Render IS a bodyguard - they're not going after him. And I think pass has generally been regarded as semi-cleared. And finally, pass had made a semi-convincing argument that hoops is kitten. Oliegirl seemed to buy it, anyway.

If this comment is b/c I didn't scan Hoops last night, I already explained that, I really felt it was best to get the RendeR situation put to bed and resolved. If this was brought on by something else, please let me know what, b/c I have not removed Hoops from my suspect list...

[RendeR]

Which is a very big hole in my argument, I know. And no, I have no answer to that, especially since the 2 people I find most questionable in the trusted list (Seolian and Mccollins), have been cleared by Olie.

And I *really* don't even want to think that Olie has been stringing us along all this time.


I was thinking Olie had been converted too due to her immediate and quite loud exclamation of LYAR! about my reveal. it felt too quick a response...almost too over the top for the seer to do that.

But then if she WERE converted, why would she scan me as light? If she were a dog now she should have said my scan was dark thereby guarenteeing my lynching. Right?

So I actually trust Olie is still scanning for the kitteh's at this point.

I did NOT protet myself last night. I protected someone I thought would be off the wolves list of "obviously getting protected" list. Unfortunately that person was not atacked and I saw nothing useful last night.

Didn't someone say they followed me? Did you see anything? Clap's PM's are so damned minimal =)

[claphamsa]

u get what u need! and thats it!

[RendeR]

u get what u need! and thats it!


"LIAR! LIAAARRR...Ever since Prince Humperdink fired him he's had no confidence..."

[Coffee Warlord]

"LIAR! LIAAARRR...Ever since Prince Humperdink fired him he's had no confidence..."

Get back witch!

[RendeR]

Get back witch!


"I'm not a witch I'm your WIFE! but after what you just said I don't think i wanna be THAT anymore!!"

[oliegirl]

I was thinking Olie had been converted too due to her immediate and quite loud exclamation of LYAR! about my reveal. it felt too quick a response...almost too over the top for the seer to do that.

But then if she WERE converted, why would she scan me as light? If she were a dog now she should have said my scan was dark thereby guarenteeing my lynching. Right?

So I actually trust Olie is still scanning for the kitteh's at this point.

I did NOT protet myself last night. I protected someone I thought would be off the wolves list of "obviously getting protected" list. Unfortunately that person was not atacked and I saw nothing useful last night.

Didn't someone say they followed me? Did you see anything? Clap's PM's are so damned minimal =)

LOL...I only jumped on that reveal RendeR b/c it seemed SO absurd that we'd have 2 bodyguards. I had a good idea before SL's reveal that he was good, the boy is a horrible liar so I'd have picked up on something when I was joking around and asked if he was a wolf. I scanned him to make sure, but once he revealed, and then you immediately revealed - after the PB fiasco, I just figured you were trying to pull the same thing and would say "why would I do that when PB just failed at it" as your excuse.

Here is the question...of the uncleared players - Hoops, Pass, Dan, EF (think that is all)...which of them have been the MOST wolf like? I'm inclined to give Dan a pass as he's a newer player and this is his first game back in a while. Though his crazy accusation of me did make my wolfdar go crazy, so who knows there.

I don't think I've ever played with EF as a wolf, so I don't know there. He's an unknown to me.

Hoops has been a wolf once or twice in the games I've played, and is a good player - but he's usually scanned and lynched fairly early. Not sure I've played where he's lasted this long...

Pass...well, we have a long love/hate relationship don't we Pass? Whenever I give him the benefit of the doubt, he burns me...and whenever I go after him, he turns out to be good. So that is a puzzle in itself.

So basically - I have nothing to say :( Guess I just felt like typing for a while or something.

[RendeR]

Hoops and Pass both scare me since they're both still breathing in this game and we're working day 5....

try one of them. I'd go with pass first.

[EagleFan]

Another question comes to mind. Exactly why are people trusting cronin? Because he admitted that he will scan as bad? Why is he alive? He's a veteran player that would be dangerous for the wolves to leave alive for this long.

Am I forgetting a reason for why we started to trust him?

[st.cronin]

I busted PurdueBrad, that's why people trust me. And nobody has countered my claim that I'm the stray.

[EagleFan]

The heat was on PB as it was, that could easily have been a calculated sacrifice in an attempt to gain trust.

[hoopsguy]

Hoops has been a wolf once or twice in the games I've played, and is a good player - but he's usually scanned and lynched fairly early. Not sure I've played where he's lasted this long...

Olie, you are the person in position to do something about scanning me :)

Seriously, if we are the two people you are worried about then lynch one of us and scan the other one. I think Pass and I have been in agreement on the right strategy for the last day. Both of us seem to be willing to give up our lives for the good of the team. Who knows, maybe we are both villagers but I understand the reasoning to worry about a couple of uncleared vets.

If our COT - even with just the bodyguards + LOLcat + seer is good - then we are winning this game, even if we break a couple of eggs along the way.

[EagleFan]

Since I've floated the three team idea out there I was wondering how this idea sounds (not for anything happening in this game, just as an idea):


3 even teams (if 15 people, then 3 teams of 5):
Lynch votes each day
Some sort of even powers given to the teams, 1 or 2 members of each team
Night kills can be done by each team but there is a rule (Team A can only night kill Team B, Team B can only night kill team C and Team C can only night kill Team A)
If the personselected by a team to night is on the tea they can't night kill it will be unsuccessful with a chance of a reveal

Winning team is the team with the most remaining players after one team has been eliminated. If even than the game is a draw

Working on the idea for remaining players, like having them be converts or a different win condition for them.

[Coffee Warlord]

My problem with that is the utter lack of information we had in our PM's, and the lack of multiple night kills.

If there were 3 factions, there'd almost have to be a couple people on at least 2 of the factions with the power to kill. No evidence of that. If there were 3 factions, it'd be absurd that at least some people would know about it.

I know, take everything said with a grain of salt, but the role PM for the vanilla villager was REALLY SHORT, and that was it. I highly doubt you could do 3 factions if the other common cats got the same thing (which clap himself even said - 'you are teh kitteh' was all the vanillas got).

Just don't think with a message like that, there's room in the game for 3 factions.

[EagleFan]

My problem with that is the utter lack of information we had in our PM's, and the lack of multiple night kills.

If there were 3 factions, there'd almost have to be a couple people on at least 2 of the factions with the power to kill. No evidence of that. If there were 3 factions, it'd be absurd that at least some people would know about it.

I know, take everything said with a grain of salt, but the role PM for the vanilla villager was REALLY SHORT, and that was it. I highly doubt you could do 3 factions if the other common cats got the same thing (which clap himself even said - 'you are teh kitteh' was all the vanillas got).

Just don't think with a message like that, there's room in the game for 3 factions.

Read my post a little farther. That was just an idea that I was working on but that had nothing to do with this actual game. Though I still think there is something else going on with the LoLCats but no-one else wants to listen. ;)

Barring any weird reveal my next three votes will be hoops, Lathum and cronin. Probably at least 2 wolves there.

[hoopsguy]

Eagle, I'm satisfied that if you are a doggie that you will be put down like Old Yeller in the near future. Before or after me - it really makes no difference.

[Coffee Warlord]

Read my post a little farther. That was just an idea that I was working on but that had nothing to do with this actual game. Though I still think there is something else going on with the LoLCats but no-one else wants to listen. ;)

I fully agree Something Is Not As It Seems (tm). Been railing on that for a few days.

[The Jackal]

Let me esplain

no.. there is too much, let me sum up

i missed the princess bride comments :(

[The Jackal]

Which is a very big hole in my argument, I know. And no, I have no answer to that, especially since the 2 people I find most questionable in the trusted list (Seolian and Mccollins), have been cleared by Olie.

And I *really* don't even want to think that Olie has been stringing us along all this time.

When did olie clear MC?

[Coffee Warlord]

When did olie clear MC?

Did she not scan him?

[The Jackal]

Barring any weird reveal my next three votes will be hoops, Lathum and cronin. Probably at least 2 wolves there.

I don't understand this at all. And it doesn't make sense for us to go after Lathum or cronin. Lathum was both cleared by olie and hasn't been countered, and cronin nailed PB and hasn't been countered as the stray. The only possibility of them lying is if one of those roles isn't in the game, and I really doubt that.

[The Jackal]

Did she not scan him?

Olie should clarify but..

I have her scanning CW, Lathum, Sea lion, KWhit, and RendeR.

[Lathum]

Vote Hoopsguys

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Hoopsguys

There's more than one of him!?!?

[The Jackal]

I guess this is the way we're goin, eh.

Vote Hoopsguy

[Lathum]

gimme a break. I am stuck in columbus airport. been drinking. nothing else to do.

[The Jackal]

gimme a break. I am stuck in columbus airport. been drinking. nothing else to do.

go find rick nash

[hoopsguy]

So despite the fact that I'm willing to be lynched for the greater good (and this is not easy for me to do, fwliw) I'm still not pleased when I think there are significantly better options out there. There are four uncleared people at this point - Pass, Eagle, DanG, and me. Am I really the most suspect of the group based on my play?

We're likely up 10-2 in the standings right now. We're going to win the game. Selfishly, I would like to be scanned and be around for the end of the game.

I was starting to go through the voting records to pull stuff out on the other guys, but frankly it isn't worth the effort. You're going to get them anyway, it is just going to potentially take one more day of effort.

Don't mind me - last post here before moving onto the Ping: Drunk Guy thread.

[The Jackal]

I don't have great feelings about lynching hoops.

[oliegirl]

Olie should clarify but..

I have her scanning CW, Lathum, Sea lion, KWhit, and RendeR.

That is correct. I have NOT scanned McCollins yet.

I've been figuring that my next scan will be between Hoops, EF, Dan and Pass...

[KWhit]

Hi there!

Can I get back in the game? I have a LOT of important information I could share.

[mccollins]

Barring any weird reveal my next three votes will be hoops, Lathum and cronin. Probably at least 2 wolves there.

Why vote for the people who are semi-trusted with unchallenged role reveals?

[Lathum]

I really dont get the scan of Render.

[EagleFan]

Because I KNOW that one of them is lying.

[mccollins]

Did she not scan him?

No. Olie's scans:
Night 1 - Coffee Warlord - Light aura
Night 2 - Lathum - Light aura
Night 3 - KWhit - Dark aura; 2nd scan - SeaLion - Light aura
Night 4 - RendeR - Light aura

[mccollins]

Again, Eagle, to vote for Lathum you'd have to believe that Olie is lying or that Lathum is a chiuaua.

If you have something to reveal, we could have used that a while ago.

[oliegirl]

I really dont get the scan of Render.

Ok - this is my THIRD time explaining myself...


Why I scanned RendeR
By Oliegirl

I scanned RendeR because I felt that the best way for us as a village to move forward was to know once and for all if RendeR was telling the truth or not. I really didn't believe that we had a second BG. I thought that as long as the "is RendeR lying or not" questions was out there, we wouldn't really be able to focus our efforts elsewhere.

When he scanned light it gave us the knowledge that we could keep me as the seer protected for at least 2 more nights...Mccollins has a one time BG use, then one of the two bg's could protect me tomorrow night. Depending on what happens the night after that, we could get a 3rd bg block...

Had he scanned dark, we could have lynched him that night and then moved on.

***This concludes my report on why I scanned RendeR***



yes, I know I'm a smartass...but admit it, it's part of why you love me ;)

[mccollins]

Lathum's announced fool scans: Cronin, Olie, and KWhit as light.

The scan on Cronin was used to coordinate Lathum being the fool since Cronin revealed that he is the dark aura stray.

[oliegirl]

Because I KNOW that one of them is lying.

OK, I'll bite.

How do you KNOW that one of they is lying...

[Lathum]

Easy. EF is a dog and he is trying to throw suspiscoun elsewhere.

Who should we vote? 2 people who we have no reason to not believe have the roles they say they have or someone who is uncleared?

[mccollins]

For now, I believe the reveals that have been put out there. If one of those scanned with a light aura is another chiuaua, we'll figure that out later.

In addition, I feel Pass and hoops have been generally helpful all along the way.

Barring any new info, I will be voting EagleFan, DanG, or CW before any of those above.

[oliegirl]

Do we have a current vote count?

[The Jackal]

OK, I'll bite.

How do you KNOW that one of they is lying...

Seriously, if you have something to say you should've said it a long time ago EF.

[Lathum]

I won't believe anything EF says at this point

[The Jackal]

I won't believe anything EF says at this point

+1

[Passacaglia]

VOTE EAGLEFAN

If you're going to say something, say it. We don't need hinting right now.

[EagleFan]

I'll say it again. Look at Lathum's voting record!!! Other's have cast one strange vote and get crucified. He has cast several that cry wolf. Also ask how long does he usually last wen he is a villager? Isn't he usually a quick target for wolves?

With what seem like 50 body guards foating around do we actually believe that the wolves have just one chihuahua or just one brutal?

I have no reason to reveal anything at this point as it looks like no matter what I say there won't be anyone listening.

Oh, and one other thing...

Beware the LoLCats!!! They are out there and they are dangerous!!!

[Passacaglia]

On the other hand, if you want to wait until tomorrow morning, I'll be online more then. Cool.

[Coffee Warlord]

I have no reason to reveal anything at this point as it looks like no matter what I say there won't be anyone listening.

You're really going to sit here and say that when we've spent the last day trying to figure out WTF is going on?

[The Jackal]

Uh, if you have something to reveal and aren't, you might as well say it. I doubt anyone will believe you, but keeping info is foolish.

unvote hoops

vote EF

[mccollins]

Do we have a current vote count?

EagleFan - CoffeeWarlord (1709), Passacaglia (1832)
Hoopsguy - Cronin (1714), EagleFan (1724), Lathum (1809), Jackal (1811)
DanGarion - Hoopsguy (1749)

As of 1835.

[hoopsguy]

I think I've got my vote on a wolf now (DanG) but Eagle is probably his partner in crime.

Usually when someone makes the "I know all the wolves" statement it turns out to be 100% wrong, but I would be willing to bet (small stakes) that both of these guys make a habit of chasing mailmen.

[oliegirl]

VOTE EAGLEFAN

Seems like really, really odd timing here EF...

[mccollins]

EagleFan (3) - CoffeeWarlord (1709), Passacaglia (1832), Jackal (1836)
Hoopsguy (3) - Cronin (1714), EagleFan (1724), Lathum (1809)
DanGarion (1) - Hoopsguy (1749)

As of 1836.

[The Jackal]

I voted just to screw you up, MC. ;)

[mccollins]

EagleFan (4) - CoffeeWarlord (1709), Passacaglia (1832), Jackal (1836), Oliegirl (1839)
Hoopsguy (3) - Cronin (1714), EagleFan (1724), Lathum (1809)
DanGarion (1) - Hoopsguy (1749)

As of 1840.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'll say it again. Look at Lathum's voting record!!! Other's have cast one strange vote and get crucified. He has cast several that cry wolf. Also ask how long does he usually last wen he is a villager? Isn't he usually a quick target for wolves?

And I shall respond.

1) Olie scanned him clean.

2) He has claimed a role that NO ONE ELSE HAS, that we know is in the game. And he claimed it...how many days ago? One word from the 'real' fool, and the game was up. Period. Guess what? No one claimed it.

Unless he was converted, which I still doubt is a power, he's on our side.

[Passacaglia]

I'll say it again. Look at Lathum's voting record!!! Other's have cast one strange vote and get crucified. He has cast several that cry wolf. Also ask how long does he usually last wen he is a villager? Isn't he usually a quick target for wolves?

With what seem like 50 body guards foating around do we actually believe that the wolves have just one chihuahua or just one brutal?

I have no reason to reveal anything at this point as it looks like no matter what I say there won't be anyone listening.

Oh, and one other thing...

Beware the LoLCats!!! They are out there and they are dangerous!!!

Lathum's voting record:
Day 1 -- unvote hoops, vote cronin at the end -- dunno what to make of it yet
Day 2 -- vote hoops, still don't know
Day 3 -- vote KWhit -- pretty good

What's wrong with it?

[hoopsguy]

By the way, I really appreciate the run that is "saving" me right now :)

[mccollins]

And I shall respond.

1) Olie scanned him clean.

2) He has claimed a role that NO ONE ELSE HAS, that we know is in the game. And he claimed it...how many days ago? One word from the 'real' fool, and the game was up. Period. Guess what? No one claimed it.

Unless he was converted, which I still doubt is a power, he's on our side.

Olie scanned him light. Subtle difference, but as I said earlier, if there is another chiuaua we can figure it out later. Lathum being that person would require that we don't have a fool in the game at all and that would be yet another extra help for the village.

[Passacaglia]

By the way, I really appreciate the run that is "saving" me right now :)

Give all credit to EagleFan. This is like the Cubicle game where mauboy totally spazzed out, and managed to get himself lynched, when otherwise it would have been me vs. him.

[Lathum]

Unvote Hoops
VOte Eaglesfan

it's obvious the dogs are desperatly trying to get someone with a reputation as a good wolf lynched.

His argument is laughable. I expect he will soon come out and claim to be the fool.

If I was a dog would I relly have cast the tying vote on KWhit instead of the clinching vote on JEHeinze?

[Coffee Warlord]

Olie scanned him light. Subtle difference, but as I said earlier, if there is another chiuaua we can figure it out later. Lathum being that person would require that we don't have a fool in the game at all and that would be yet another extra help for the village.

To play my own devil's advocate, I did just re-check the rules, and read:
Note that not all roles may be in the game.

[Passacaglia]

Olie scanned him light. Subtle difference, but as I said earlier, if there is another chiuaua we can figure it out later. Lathum being that person would require that we don't have a fool in the game at all and that would be yet another extra help for the village.

I think we're aware of the difference, but the simplest explanation is that he is indeed the fool, not that he's the chihuahua claiming a fool role when no one else happened to have it, or that the fool stayed quiet. Keep in mind also that when he made his reveal, his intent was for the seer to stay quiet, and not worry about being the fool.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum's voting record, which is predicated pretty much on voting for me, isn't going to look great if/when I'm killed. But that doesn't make him a wolf. Wolves have the opportunity to have great voting records. Votes without context don't have all that much meaning.

[mccollins]

Beware the LoLCats!!! They are out there and they are dangerous!!!

... and another thing. I'm a LolCat and I'm only dangerous to the dogs.

Why are you going down in flames? If nothing else, I bet you're the brutal.

Vote EagleFan

If he's the brutal is this what we want to do? Reminds me of the recent game where the Duke was practically begging to be voted.

[Coffee Warlord]

If he's the brutal is this what we want to do?

Uh, kill him? They all gotta go at some point.

[EagleFan]

Lathum's voting record:
Day 1 -- unvote hoops, vote cronin at the end -- dunno what to make of it yet
Day 2 -- vote hoops, still don't know
Day 3 -- vote KWhit -- pretty good

What's wrong with it?

Here's athum's voting record from the first two days (I didn;t compuile more after that yet)

day 1 - vote Coffee Warlord (135)
day 1 - unvote CW, vote PB (187)
day 1 - unvote PB, vote mccollins (235) *** quickly following PB's switch to mccollins
day 1 - unvote mccollins, vote hoops (314) *** quickly following PB's unvote of mccollins
day 1 - unvote hoops, vote cronin (366)
day 2 - vote PB (516)
day 2 - unvote PB (528) *** claims vote was a joke after being called out fo it
day 2 - vote PB (594)
day 2 - unvote PB, vote hoops (670)


First he changes to mccollins once PB did, then moves off him once PB did as well. Day two he makes a late change to take his vote off PB to help sav him. We have one known wolf in PB and a voting record that follows that of PB and saving PB, again a known wolf.

[Passacaglia]

Lathum's voting record, which is predicated pretty much on voting for me, isn't going to look great if/when I'm killed. But that doesn't make him a wolf. Wolves have the opportunity to have great voting records. Votes without context don't have all that much meaning.

But remember, he switched off you to cronin. IF you're good, then as a wolf he would have wanted to keep his vote on you.

[The Jackal]

To play my own devil's advocate, I did just re-check the rules, and read:
Note that not all roles may be in the game.

Meh. I don't take much from that. We're supposed to assume that for most games, but when there's 15+ players it's generally fine to believe that all roles are in there.

We can deal with these slim possibilities if things start not working out in the lynchings.

[oliegirl]

I'm off to bed guys - see you all in the morning :)

[mccollins]

I think we're aware of the difference, but the simplest explanation is that he is indeed the fool, not that he's the chihuahua claiming a fool role when no one else happened to have it, or that the fool stayed quiet. Keep in mind also that when he made his reveal, his intent was for the seer to stay quiet, and not worry about being the fool.

I think Lathum is legit - I'm just laying out everything that has to be in place for Eagle's conjecture to be remotely plausible.

[Coffee Warlord]

Meh. I don't take much from that. We're supposed to assume that for most games, but when there's 15+ players it's generally fine to believe that all roles are in there.

We can deal with these slim possibilities if things start not working out in the lynchings.

Oh I know, and I'm in agreement. Hell, I've been preaching stick on the uncleared and worry about the 'cleareds' for awhile now. Just throwing things out there while we chat.

[The Jackal]

Here's athum's voting record from the first two days (I didn;t compuile more after that yet)

day 1 - vote Coffee Warlord (135)
day 1 - unvote CW, vote PB (187)
day 1 - unvote PB, vote mccollins (235) *** quickly following PB's switch to mccollins
day 1 - unvote mccollins, vote hoops (314) *** quickly following PB's unvote of mccollins
day 1 - unvote hoops, vote cronin (366)
day 2 - vote PB (516)
day 2 - unvote PB (528) *** claims vote was a joke after being called out fo it
day 2 - vote PB (594)
day 2 - unvote PB, vote hoops (670)


First he changes to mccollins once PB did, then moves off him once PB did as well. Day two he makes a late change to take his vote off PB to help sav him. We have one known wolf in PB and a voting record that follows that of PB and saving PB, again a known wolf.

I remember that interchange between Lathum/PB and that didnt strike me at all as odd. I do think it was a joke.

[hoopsguy]

But remember, he switched off you to cronin. IF you're good, then as a wolf he would have wanted to keep his vote on you.

I'm not making the argument that Lathum is a wolf. He isn't the first person I would go after in the cleared list, if it ever comes down to that. So I'll drop this point of discussion.

[mccollins]

EagleFan (6) - CoffeeWarlord (1709), Passacaglia (1832), Jackal (1836), Oliegirl (1839), Lathum (1848), McCollins (1852)
Hoopsguy (2) - Cronin (1714), EagleFan (1724)
DanGarion (1) - Hoopsguy (1749)

As of 1860.

[hoopsguy]

Also, now that Lathum has moved his vote off of me I can be sincere in wishing him good luck in Vegas this evening.

[The Jackal]

Oh I know, and I'm in agreement. Hell, I've been preaching stick on the uncleared and worry about the 'cleareds' for awhile now. Just throwing things out there while we chat.

As hoops has been saying, whether he is a wolf or not, the village appears to be in pretty decent shape even if we do have a wolf hiding amongst the clears. The only thing that'd be very dangerous is if olie was converted and we don't lynch any wolves the next few days, but that seems a slim possibility anyways.

So yeah, we're moving in the right direction. If EF isn't a wolf, lord, this has been a weird evening of play from him.

[Coffee Warlord]

As hoops has been saying, whether he is a wolf or not, the village appears to be in pretty decent shape even if we do have a wolf hiding amongst the clears. The only thing that'd be very dangerous is if olie was converted and we don't lynch any wolves the next few days, but that seems a slim possibility anyways.

If olie's a wolf, we're seriously fucked. There's so many people and so much that has to be questioned after that, it's gonna be a clusterfuck.

[hoopsguy]

If EF is a wolf, lord, this has been a weird evening of play from him.

Also true.

[Lathum]

EF, explain how no one has countered my role?

did I actualy get lucky enough to fake reveal day 2 with 16 people left in the game and no preassure on me and happen to pick a role not in play?

[Lathum]

Also, now that Lathum has moved his vote off of me I can be sincere in wishing him good luck in Vegas this evening.

I need luck just to get there

[hoopsguy]

OK, lets assume that Eagle is the brutal - is it worth having any discussion on who he would kill and why?

If we have that discussion out in the open, it might encourage him to go another direction just to mess with us.

However, it could potentially help us in getting ready for our next move.

I'll shit if he takes out me, Pass, or DanG.

[Lathum]

I think he takes out Olie.

They have been afraid/ unsuccesfull so far so they probably think this is the best way to take her out

[Coffee Warlord]

I'd almost like him to take me out to prove I'm really a cat, and to pester clap about the damn ruleset of this game while I watch from the sidelines. :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola. But yeah. Brutal axes the seer, no question.

[mccollins]

EF, explain how no one has countered my role?

did I actualy get lucky enough to fake reveal day 2 with 16 people left in the game and no preassure on me and happen to pick a role not in play?

+1

[hoopsguy]

I'm wondering if Eagle is just waving the white flag on the game at this point ... realizing that he (and his team) is screwed so he might as well go Mel Gibson in "Conspiracy Theory" (or in an interview, if you want to go non-fiction) on us in a final act of reckless defiance.

[mccollins]

Dola. But yeah. Brutal axes the seer, no question.

True, but they went after me on night 2 and took out ChiefRum on night 4. Not the most conventional moves :)

[Lathum]

True, but they went after me on night 2 and took out ChiefRum on night 4. Not the most conventional moves :)

I think they were looking for the bodyguard.

IMO the bottom line is they are frustrated because they can't get to Olie

[EagleFan]

EF, explain how no one has countered my role?

did I actualy get lucky enough to fake reveal day 2 with 16 people left in the game and no preassure on me and happen to pick a role not in play?

Everyone was singing your praises and I wasn't sure what role I had at that point. My scans came back dark with PB getting lynched as the only thing I had to go on. I was either the seer or the fool. When jeheinz got lynched and his scan had returned dark the evening before I knew what my role was. By then you were being praised as this highly trusted person so it would seem like a stupid move to reveal then, especially since one vote of mine got questioned and put me on people's lists while your whole history got overlooked.

After two BG's seemed to exist I figured there was a chance that 2 fools existed. My role is now meaningless anyway as it tells us nothing so I have continued to play the game as I have done in the past (the one time I went far) which is by using my gut and watching to see what others have done. Which again point to Lathum's questionable vote.

You became like the pied piper with people believing everything you said while they ignored your actions. Your numbers are probably small enough that even after you get me, another kitten, lynched you will still be far behind.

I have been followed twice in the evening but nothing have done nothing. If I was the brutal (like what the current idea of the day seems to be) I would be doing plenty in the evening until found, not just playing with that same ball of yarn and eating catnip.

Either way, go kittens!!!

[EagleFan]

I scanned PB night 1, came back dark.
Day 2 he gets killed and is a wolf.
Night 2 I scanned jeheinz, came back dark.
Day 3 jeheinz gets lynched and is a cat.
I scanned cronin that night, also came back dark.
I have submitted no more scans as it appears to be useless.

By then I knew I was the fool (a fool?) but Lathum was already on all the trust lists so my speaking up would not be worth it especially when the double BG situation came up it seemed like nothing would be gained by my speaking up except getting me lynched and adding to the confusion.

[The Jackal]

No, the wolves would be smart and send the person that would be least likely to be followed to do the killing.

[EagleFan]

There is no least likely to be followed in this game. It seems everyone has some kind of power, or powers.

I see this as kindof a hollow victory as we seem to have way too many powers on the light side to use against them. I should file a grievance that I got a crappy power. ;)

[hoopsguy]

Eagle, I'll ask you the same question I asked PB on his reveal - did you leave information earlier in the thread that suggests your role?

Lathum's turnabout on Cronin from voting for him Day 1 to saying "I won't vote Cronin" on Day 2 was pretty visible - well, at least I noticed it at the time. That is why I didn't ask him for posts when he revealed. Oh, and he was also not contesting a role that had already been claimed and unchallenged for several days.

[EagleFan]

No, I didn't leave any hints (that I am aware of). Until I knew what I really was I didn't want to mislead anyone. After I found out what I was the Lahum coronation had already taken place and my role would not help us in any way so there was no need to.

[The Jackal]

I don't understand this business about Lathum being so highly trusted and "coronated" and what not. We accepted that he was the fool and in such didn't want to vote for him, but it's not like he's been leading the discussion or we've been worshipping him.

[The Jackal]

Sorry if this double posts, had some trouble with quick reply.

I don't understand this business about Lathum being so highly trusted and "coronated" and what not. We accepted that he was the fool and in such didn't want to vote for him, but it's not like he's been leading the discussion or we've been worshipping him.

[DanGarion]

So can someone point me to the last voting record, I want to verify my information on olie.

[DanGarion]

vote hoopsguy

[The Jackal]

Interesting.

[Chief Rum]

ok al PMs are out!


daybreak, you wake up from a restless (and long)night, to find Chief Rum dead

Chief Rum has bee nightkilled chief rum was a kitten!

next deadline is 11 AM tommorow, because of the move...




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G'luck, kittehs!

[Passacaglia]

There is no least likely to be followed in this game. It seems everyone has some kind of power, or powers.

I see this as kindof a hollow victory as we seem to have way too many powers on the light side to use against them. I should file a grievance that I got a crappy power. ;)

i'm not caught up yet, but the first night-kill, Alan, was a mere kitteh.

[Passacaglia]

Guess I am caught up. Anyway, I told you to wait until the morning to reveal!!!!

I like hoops's idea that EF is very likely the brutal wolf. I also agree with him that we're probably looking at Dan and EF as our last wolves. In order to play it safe, maybe we should avoid the brutal.

UNVOTE EAGLEFAN
VOTE DANGARION

[Seolian]

VOTE EAGLEFAN

[mccollins]

Any idea when the board goes read only? Is it still set for 1pm?

[mccollins]

EagleFan (6) - CoffeeWarlord (1709), Jackal (1836), Oliegirl (1839), Lathum (1848), McCollins (1852), Seolian (1891)
Hoopsguy (2) - Cronin (1714), EagleFan (1724)
DanGarion (2) - Hoopsguy (1749), Passacaglia (1890)
Hoopsguy (1) - DanGarion (1886)

As of 1892.

[mccollins]

Guess I am caught up. Anyway, I told you to wait until the morning to reveal!!!!

I like hoops's idea that EF is very likely the brutal wolf. I also agree with him that we're probably looking at Dan and EF as our last wolves. In order to play it safe, maybe we should avoid the brutal.


I hinted towards this last night after we started discussing the possibility that EF is the brutal. However, CW said we'd have to lynch the brutal at some point either way.

If we're sure that DanGarion is a dog and not just a newer player learning the ropes, then I might be inclined to go with this.

However, EF has been on my radar for days now.

What says the village?

[claphamsa]

Any idea when the board goes read only? Is it still set for 1pm?
sez 12 45

[claphamsa]

EagleFan (6) - CoffeeWarlord (1709), Jackal (1836), Oliegirl (1839), Lathum (1848), McCollins (1852), Seolian (1891)
Hoopsguy (2) - Cronin (1714), EagleFan (1724)
DanGarion (2) - Hoopsguy (1749), Passacaglia (1890)
Hoopsguy (1) - DanGarion (1886)

[Lathum]

EF counter is laughable.

Assuming he is correct and I am a dog

Explain to me why I would fake reveal on day 2 with a role that could easily counter me and nail me?

He is desperately trying to get you to suspect the player with the reputation as a solid wolf by saying I have been leading you around, which I havent been doing at all.

[Lathum]

vote cronin

I am on the fence between him and PurdueBrad at this time though but cronin's subtle attempt to sway opinion in his recap makes me more suspicious of him.

I scanned PB night 1, came back dark.
Day 2 he gets killed and is a wolf.
Night 2 I scanned jeheinz, came back dark.
Day 3 jeheinz gets lynched and is a cat.
I scanned cronin that night, also came back dark.
I have submitted no more scans as it appears to be useless.

By then I knew I was the fool (a fool?) but Lathum was already on all the trust lists so my speaking up would not be worth it especially when the double BG situation came up it seemed like nothing would be gained by my speaking up except getting me lynched and adding to the confusion.

so what you are trying to sell us is that you scanned PB night one and he came back dark. Now at this point you have been told you are the seer.

Yet you vote for St.Cronin instead then later in the day switch to hoops.

Now I don't claim to be a WW savant, but you can be pretty certain if I am the seer and I scan someone as dark I am going to vote for them, if for no other reason then I can reference back to it later when my reveal is countered.

Your comment about being on the fence abour perduebrad also reeks of gamensmenship.

[mccollins]

so what you are trying to sell us is that you scanned PB night one and he came back dark. Now at this point you have been told you are the seer.

Yet you vote for St.Cronin instead then later in the day switch to hoops.

Now I don't claim to be a WW savant, but you can be pretty certain if I am the seer and I scan someone as dark I am going to vote for them, if for no other reason then I can reference back to it later when my reveal is countered.

Your comment about being on the fence abour perduebrad also reeks of gamensmenship.

I was starting to give EF a single tiny shred of credit since there really could be two fools, but this analysis nails it.

Anyone want more time for daybreak?

[Passacaglia]

I hinted towards this last night after we started discussing the possibility that EF is the brutal. However, CW said we'd have to lynch the brutal at some point either way.

If we're sure that DanGarion is a dog and not just a newer player learning the ropes, then I might be inclined to go with this.

However, EF has been on my radar for days now.

What says the village?

We do have to get the brutal at some point, but I'd prefer it to be our last dog -- that way we won't lose the seer. If we lynch Dan, and he comes up dog, then I say we go after EF, since he's probably the last of them. If Dan comes up cat, then I think we keep looking away from EF (and we don't scan him, for that matter -- we scan me or hoops, assuming we're both alive).

[The Jackal]

unvote EF

vote dan

[The Jackal]

I tend to agree that it sounds like EF is the brutal. Might as well give olie every chance to scan people.

[Lathum]

ok, so tiny threadjack

I am beyond tired.

I had a 5 hour flight delay in Columbus and missed my connecting flight to Seattle.

Lucky for me the connection was in Vegas, so instead of camping out in the airport I stashed my stuff in a locker and jumped a cab to the Rio.

Played some cards, registered for my WSOP event and met Chris "Jesus" Ferguson.

A pretty cool night but I have now been up for 27 hours.

[The Jackal]

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[st.cronin]

Good point, Lathum.

unvote Hoopsguy
vote EagleFan

[The Jackal]

ok, so tiny threadjack

I am beyond tired.

I had a 5 hour flight delay in Columbus and missed my connecting flight to Seattle.

Lucky for me the connection was in Vegas, so instead of camping out in the airport I stashed my stuff in a locker and jumped a cab to the Rio.

Played some cards, registered for my WSOP event and met Chris "Jesus" Ferguson.

A pretty cool night but I have now been up for 27 hours.

get some rest.. that does sound pretty exciting though

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm of the opinion we stick with the guy who is most likely to be a wolf, consequences be damned. We start trying to tactically vote to kill a certain wolf (which of course, we don't even KNOW we're right here), in certain order...that kinda scares me.

[Lathum]

I agree with CW

[st.cronin]

I'm of the opinion we stick with the guy who is most likely to be a wolf, consequences be damned. We start trying to tactically vote to kill a certain wolf (which of course, we don't even KNOW we're right here), in certain order...that kinda scares me.

agree

[mccollins]

We do have to get the brutal at some point, but I'd prefer it to be our last dog -- that way we won't lose the seer.
I agree, but..


If we lynch Dan, and he comes up dog, then I say we go after EF, since he's probably the last of them. If Dan comes up cat, then I think we keep looking away from EF (and we don't scan him, for that matter -- we scan me or hoops, assuming we're both alive).

Are we sure enough about Dan that we don't waste a lynch? I hesitate because I can't tell if it is "new player" or "rookie wolf" we're seeing out of him.

Plus, the EF as Brutal seems reasonable, but is also just a guess. I'd rather stick with the more reliable notion of EF being at least a wolf.

[Lathum]

I just wanna prove EF is full of it ;)

[claphamsa]

EagleFan - CoffeeWarlord (1709), , Oliegirl (1839), Lathum (1848), McCollins (1852), Seolian (1891), Cronin 1905

DanGarion - Hoopsguy (1749), Passacaglia (1890), Jackyl 1901
Hoopsguy - DanGarion (1886)EagleFan (1724)

[mccollins]

EagleFan (6) - CoffeeWarlord (1709), Oliegirl (1839), Lathum (1848), McCollins (1852), Seolian (1891), Cronin (1905)
DanGarion (3) - Hoopsguy (1749), Passacaglia (1890), Jackal (1901)
Hoopsguy (2) - EagleFan (1724), DanGarion (1886)

As of 1910.

[mccollins]

Doh!

[The Jackal]

Fine, fine.

unvote dan

vote EF

[Coffee Warlord]

Oh, and for kicks...EF?

If you're the true fool, how is it you apparently have this magical insight into the LOLcats where no one else does?

[Passacaglia]

I agree, but..



Are we sure enough about Dan that we don't waste a lynch? I hesitate because I can't tell if it is "new player" or "rookie wolf" we're seeing out of him.

Plus, the EF as Brutal seems reasonable, but is also just a guess. I'd rather stick with the more reliable notion of EF being at least a wolf.

I think it's new player, combined with rookie wolf. Some of his votes have just been odd -- obvious attempts to save wolf. They're not mistakes a new player makes -- they're mistakes that a new player makes when he's a wolf in his first game. The vote on hoops today with no explanation, the vote on someone other than KWhit yesterday...they just seem like rookie wolf mistakes, rather than rookie villager mistakes.

I'm assuming we're going to vote EF today, and Dan tomorrow. If Dan is the wolf, that's fine. But if Dan is a villager, we're going to have olie dead by the end of the day, and a lot of trouble figuring out the last wolf. So I feel like if Dan is actually good OR bad, we're better off voting him today.

[mccollins]

28 minutes til deadline!

[Passacaglia]

Thanks for the warning, mickey c -- I forgot it was pushed earlier.

[EagleFan]

Eenie, meenie, minee moe...

[EagleFan]

Olie, paging olie...


unvote hoops

vote EF

[Passacaglia]

Come on, people, let's not let him do this. My only worry is a tie, but I see that heinz is in the thread, so we're okay.

[Passacaglia]

I mean, I'm pretty confident that Dan is a wolf, and it'll be moot, since we lynch him tomorrow, and it's probably game over, but we should really cover our bases in case someone cleared is a wolf, too. We're probably going to vote Dan tomorrow anyway, right? Why not just do it today?

[EagleFan]

time to sharpen up my fangs a bit...

[st.cronin]

Olie, paging olie...



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[mccollins]

Come on, people, let's not let him do this. My only worry is a tie, but I see that heinz is in the thread, so we're okay.

Huh?? You're worried about a tie?

[EagleFan]

Wow, so the quickest way to get people to not vote for you is to say you are a wolf? I figured I was done so I thought it was time to have fun with everyone... :D

[Passacaglia]

olie, I think you of all people would see the logic in this -- or at the least, would rather not get killed.

[claphamsa]

EagleFan - CoffeeWarlord (1709), , Oliegirl (1839), Lathum (1848), McCollins (1852), Seolian (1891), Cronin 1905, EF 1921, jackyl 1915

DanGarion - Hoopsguy (1749), Passacaglia (1890)
Hoopsguy - DanGarion (1886)

[EagleFan]

unvote EF

vote clap

[Passacaglia]

Huh?? You're worried about a tie?

I guess thinking about it, a tie wouldn't be so bad. I guess I just figure we might as well kill Dan tonight, but I could deal with a tie also. I mostly just wanted to make fun of heinz with that comment, though.

[claphamsa]

unvote EF

vote clap


this vote is illegal

[mccollins]

I guess mentioning Heinz was a joke?

There's only 13 minutes left. Not enough for a big vote switch without confusion like the other day.

[Coffee Warlord]

olie, I think you of all people would see the logic in this -- or at the least, would rather not get killed.

Personal rule of WW #1: Kill the wolf you know.

[Passacaglia]

I guess mentioning Heinz was a joke?

There's only 13 minutes left. Not enough for a big vote switch without confusion like the other day.

I disagree.

[Passacaglia]

Personal rule of WW #1: Kill the wolf you know.

I thought it was "keep the seer alive"?

[mccollins]

this vote is illegal

I guess his unvote is legit ;)

[mccollins]

EagleFan (7) - CoffeeWarlord (1709), Oliegirl (1839), Lathum (1848), McCollins (1852), Seolian (1891), Cronin (1905), Jackal (1915)
DanGarion (2) - Hoopsguy (1749), Passacaglia (1890)
Hoopsguy (1) - DanGarion (1886)

As of 1933.

[Passacaglia]

Mickey c had a good point that a tie is not a bad thing here -- if we don't get this exactly right, and the wolves manipulate things, it's not a huge deal, but I think we should at least try to save olie here.

[EagleFan]

unvote EF

vote Lathum

[Passacaglia]

7-2 right now, so we need three switches out of the 4 of olie, SL, mickey c, and CW, who are in the thread.

[EagleFan]

unvote Lathum

vote dang

Sorry, that's the one I wanted. :D

[Passacaglia]

Keep in mind who chose not to save olie, in case this game has to go on much further without her.

[Seolian]

Olie said that she is on her way online, but she is working hard at the moment.

[claphamsa]

EagleFan - CoffeeWarlord (1709), , Oliegirl (1839), Lathum (1848), McCollins (1852), Seolian (1891), Cronin 1905, jackyl 1915
DanGarion - Hoopsguy (1749), Passacaglia (1890) , EF 1945

Hoopsguy - DanGarion (1886)

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[Coffee Warlord]

I thought it was "keep the seer alive"?

In the instance, like now, it's pretty much a sure thing we've got a dead doggy at our feet, I say no.

[mccollins]

I guess thinking about it, a tie wouldn't be so bad. I guess I just figure we might as well kill Dan tonight, but I could deal with a tie also. I mostly just wanted to make fun of heinz with that comment, though.

Mickey c had a good point that a tie is not a bad thing here -- if we don't get this exactly right, and the wolves manipulate things, it's not a huge deal, but I think we should at least try to save olie here.

That's not what I meant. I really didn't understand why you were concerned about a tie since the vote was so spread apart because I didn't immediately catch that you were really pushing for an entire vote swing in the minutes before deadline.

[Passacaglia]

In the instance, like now, it's pretty much a sure thing we've got a dead doggy at our feet, I say no.

Fine, but if Dan is good, and we have to start looking at cleared folks, you're #1 on the list.

[mccollins]

Pass, I'll give you a shot to push this through:
unvote EagleFan
vote DanGarion

[Passacaglia]

That's not what I meant. I really didn't understand why you were concerned about a tie since the vote was so spread apart because I didn't immediately catch that you were really pushing for an entire vote swing in the minutes before deadline.

Well, now you do, so start switching! :)

[Passacaglia]

Okay -- olie and SL need to do the right thing here. We've already got a refusal from CW -- I guess he wants the seer dead?

[claphamsa]

EagleFan - CoffeeWarlord (1709), , Oliegirl (1839), Lathum (1848), Seolian (1891), Cronin 1905, jackyl 1915
DanGarion - Hoopsguy (1749), Passacaglia (1890) , EF 1945, Mcolins 1949

Hoopsguy - DanGarion (1886)

[st.cronin]

Nope, not budging.

[Coffee Warlord]

Fine, but if Dan is good, and we have to start looking at cleared folks, you're #1 on the list.

You've been harping on me for so long now, I couldn't care less. Might I remind you, you're still uncleared. If Dan IS good, you're next on my list.

[Passacaglia]

Nope, not budging.

I know you're cleared, but you're #2. Why let the seer die for this?

[DanGarion]

I think it's new player, combined with rookie wolf. Some of his votes have just been odd -- obvious attempts to save wolf. They're not mistakes a new player makes -- they're mistakes that a new player makes when he's a wolf in his first game. The vote on hoops today with no explanation, the vote on someone other than KWhit yesterday...they just seem like rookie wolf mistakes, rather than rookie villager mistakes.

I'm assuming we're going to vote EF today, and Dan tomorrow. If Dan is the wolf, that's fine. But if Dan is a villager, we're going to have olie dead by the end of the day, and a lot of trouble figuring out the last wolf. So I feel like if Dan is actually good OR bad, we're better off voting him today.
I voted for Render WHILE I was reading through all the posts. Sorry I react as I read I don't read 100 posts and then make my decision, if that makes you suspect me as a wolf so be it.

As for hoops since my only clear cut person I'm questioning right now is olie but no one else seems to want to jump on that, my decision was to go for the guy who thinks I'm the big baddie.

Whatever, I'm just going with my gut instead. I might be new and making rookie mistakes but I don't care, I'm trying.

unvote hoopsguy
vote oliegirl

[Passacaglia]

You've been harping on me for so long now, I couldn't care less. Might I remind you, you're still uncleared. If Dan IS good, you're next on my list.

I was thinking that it wouldn't concern you as I typed it. However, there will be more evidence against you when you let the seer die. And I guess the reverse is true, that you've been looking at me for a while, anyway.

[claphamsa]

agleFan - CoffeeWarlord (1709), , Oliegirl (1839), Lathum (1848), Seolian (1891), Cronin 1905, jackyl 1915
DanGarion - Hoopsguy (1749), Passacaglia (1890) , EF 1945, Mcolins 1949

Oliegirl- DanGarion (1956)

[mccollins]

Sealion - save your wife!!

[Passacaglia]

Blah.

[mccollins]

Seolian, Cronin, Coffee Warlord in the thread.

[mccollins]

With me and Pass as well.

[claphamsa]

deadline

[Passacaglia]

Seolian, Cronin, Coffee Warlord in the thread.

Dan is here, too. Not that it matters.

[EagleFan]

I'm hungry

[st.cronin]

I know you're cleared, but you're #2. Why let the seer die for this?

Who says EagleFan is the brutal wolf? That's just speculation.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm hungry

Dan looks yummy, doesn't he?

[EagleFan]

Good game and good luck all.

That was fun!!!

[claphamsa]

eagle fan gets tossed into the lake, hes a dog! but he cant swim, must be a big dog.

EAGLE FAN is lynched EAGLE FAN IS A DOG


Daybreak will be at noon!

[Coffee Warlord]

No Brutal?

[Passacaglia]

Who says EagleFan is the brutal wolf? That's just speculation.

His play was pretty much begging to be voted for, then he just about admitted it this morning. I thought that part was assumed? It strikes me as odd that you wait until after deadline to ask that.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well then.

Passa old buddy? That...doesn't reflect well on you.

[Passacaglia]

No Brutal?

uh...

[Passacaglia]

Well then.

Passa old buddy? That...doesn't reflect well on you.

Cool. Hopefully that earns me a scan.

[st.cronin]

I never thought he was a brutal wolf, I didn't think people were taking that for granted.

[EagleFan]

See, I was a good guy. Dogs are always good when compared to cats!!! ;)

At least I learned a new desperation ploy, claim to be the brutal. ;)

[mccollins]

Who says EagleFan is the brutal wolf? That's just speculation.

If you read through all the discussion last night he's clearly trying to raise suspicion on multiple issues and then blatantly acting wolfishly. The reasonable theory being that that will be the only way the wolves can kill Olie since the bodyguards are going to take turns protecting her.

[Coffee Warlord]

Cool. Hopefully that earns me a scan.

I'm fully in support of her scanning you tonight. I'd love to stop sniping at you. :)

[st.cronin]

There's no brutal wolf in the rules. I don't get why it ever came up in the first place.

[oliegirl]

Hey guys ! I'm here - work is crazy so I haven't even finished catching up...looks like I missed deadline :( What did we end up doing?

[mccollins]

Cronin, who have you followed each night? The only one I can remember off the top of my head is SeaLion acting like a bodyguard.

[mccollins]

There's no brutal wolf in the rules. I don't get why it ever came up in the first place.

"Leader of the Pack"

[Passacaglia]

Leader of the pack - You are the leader of the dogs, if you are caught, you can chose to take any one other player with you.

That's what I was referring to by brutal wolf, cronin.

[st.cronin]

I followed sealion night 1, Kwhit night 2, sealion night 3 (that was the attack on olielgirl), and render last night.

[st.cronin]

Geez, missed that.

[mccollins]

I followed sealion night 1, Kwhit night 2, sealion night 3 (that was the attack on olielgirl), and render last night.

Did you see anything besides on night 3?

[jeheinz72]

Come on, people, let's not let him do this. My only worry is a tie, but I see that heinz is in the thread, so we're okay.

10-4 Got ya covered there ol' buddy!

[Passacaglia]

I never thought he was a brutal wolf, I didn't think people were taking that for granted.

I can understand not thinking that everyone was taking it for granted -- it was definitely my mistake to assume that everyone else was on the same wavelength as me about that. But, why did you wait to ask that question until after deadline?

[oliegirl]

OK - I have a minute in between calls...who do you want me to scan? Pass or Dan? Does it really matter at this point????

[Passacaglia]

So if EF is not the brutal wolf, we need to look at hoops for bringing up the suggestion. Could he have been subtly trying to lead the vote to Dan? I'm not sure I get the reasoning behind that play. Or maybe EF was hoping that if he acted like the brutal wolf, he could get some monkey (i.e. me) to convince everyone to vote for Dan, the real brutal wolf?

[Passacaglia]

10-4 Got ya covered there ol' buddy!

Thanks, your spirit really delivered there -- that wasn't even close to a tie!

[Passacaglia]

OK - I have a minute in between calls...who do you want me to scan? Pass or Dan? Does it really matter at this point????

I should probably refrain from advising you on that one.

[oliegirl]

I should probably refrain from advising you on that one.

LOL - probably a good idea :)

[Coffee Warlord]

I should probably refrain from advising you on that one.

I think the consensus is a vote on Dan tomorrow, so I'd prefer you scanned Pass, just in case.

[st.cronin]

I think the consensus is a vote on Dan tomorrow, so I'd prefer you scanned Pass, just in case.

I'll be pretty surprised if Pass is a wolf. I'd prefer hoops or dangarion.

[mccollins]

The list:

1.Hoopsguy
2.Pudue Brad- Killed day 2. Chuhuahua
3.Kwitt- Lynched day 3- dog
4.jeheinze- Lolcat, lynched day 3
5.Lathum - scanned light, claims fool
6.Mcollins - claims LolCat
7.Passacaglia
8.RendeR - scanned light, claims bodyguard
9.St. Cronin - claims Stray/follower
10.Oliegirl - claims Seer
11.Eaglefan- Lynched day 4- DOG
12.the Jackal
13.coffee warlord - scanned light
14.seolian - scanned light, claims bodyguard
15.dangarion
16.alan T -night Killed day 1. Kitten
17.Chief Rum- killed night 3- kitten

[Passacaglia]

Either way, olie, please don't announce your scan! I'd like to keep the idea of hoops in play to be scanned, too. That way, I have a better chance of not being night-killed. If Dan thinks it's him or me, then he'll probably kill me. But I dunno.

[The Jackal]

Next time you update that list please put me as the duke, MC. :)

[The Jackal]

When is the night deadline, noon? I forget. Sorry I missed the deadline there, but that was a nice result.

[The Jackal]

clap clarified, only a few min left.