WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!!

[Barkeep49]

i'd like to go on the mission, because if i find something in particular it will help us.

on the other hand - things can be passed with impunity, so i am okay with not going on the mission - but i wonder if the people that do, when they come back, if they found something, would be willing to pass it around to others if it's not useful to them? that way maybe we could get the potential benefits of more of us going without actually going...
I've thought about this and what's to prevent a wolf from passing it to another wolf? Or, worse, a villager passing to a wolf.

[Barkeep49]

I'm not sure that my specialty matters, but I think it may be more useful in patrolling than the others. There's a possibility that it will give me a 2x edge. So, I will do that.

I'm very suspicious of anyone who's signed up for the mission at this point. We have no idea if we can manage to squeak out these camp jobs at this point. That smells of Sympathizers eager to get their hands on something.

<b>WORK ON PATROLLING</B>
Autumn you are a searcher, correct? If so I think you, like Poli, actually have a good reason to go on the mission. We have no indication that your bonus applies to the camp work at all and seems much more likely to be mission friendly.

[Passacaglia]

Gladhandling 3
Searching 3
Patrolling 2
Food Distribution 3
Hunting 2
Oratory 2
Treasury 1 of 2
Organizing 0
No Reveal 3


Here's what we've got so far. We don't have a reveal from path, but he indicated that he was either food distribution or treasury -- since we have three food distributors, I figure he was treasury. I'm not even sure there's an organizing skill, but I'm assuming there is, since everything else we've have to do has had a skill associated with it, and we have one skill missing. With only three who haven't revealed, it's still possible we have three organizers in that bunch (maybe the wording of the skill made it seem really powerful, and they didn't want to reveal it), but it seems unlikely. So I'll assume (for now) two organizers.

Patrolling is covered by CR and USFLTecmo. Obviously a third with patrolling skill would be nice. Do we think it's worth it to go from 6 to 7 here? I'm leaning toward no, since the extra person we put there wouldn't help cover us if CR or USFL are lying, and it would just add an extra person into the mix of possible liars if we fail.

Food Distribution is the huge one, and will be difficult. We need 15, and should have 9 from Danny, EagleFan, and Lathum. So we'll need six more to finish the job. Backup thoughts? Might be useful here, since with this many people on it, faking seems very likely. Would love to get 18 units of work here, but that takes 12 people, and seems unlikely.

Organizing is the tricky one. If we have all three 'no reveal' folks on it, then they could help out, and still not reveal if they don't want to. But we'd still have to act as if only two of them are organizers. Let's assume we only have two anyway, so we'll need four here (assuming organizers can do x3).

Patrolling -- 2
Food Distribution -- 9
Organizing -- 4

So that's 15 people out of 19. We still need to find out about organizing before I feel comfy with that number, though.
Organizing --

[Passacaglia]

Autumn is a hunter like me.

[quote]
1. Poli Searching
2. Lathum Food Distribution
3. Passacaglia Hunting
4. dubb Gladhandling
5. claphamsa Gladhandling
6. ntndeacon x3
7. USFLTecmo Patrolling
8. TheNorm
9. EagleFan Food Distribution
10. Schmidty
11. Chief Rum Patrolling
12. DaddyTorgo Oratory
13. Danny Food Distribution
14. PurdueBrad Oratory
15. Autumn Hunting
16. path Treasury
17. The Jackal Searching
18. RendeR Searching
19. Barkeep Treasury
20. jeheinz Gladhandling

[Barkeep49]

Ahh thanks. I hadn't loaded up my list when I asked that.

[Passacaglia]

Sticking with the 15 of 19 theory, that means we can afford four people to go on the mission. That's the three searchers and...PB, I guess. This means we'll have NO backup. And if organizing is a x2 skill, and if we only have two of them, we'll actually need 17 of 19. On the other hand, if it's a x3 skill, and we have three of them, we'll only need 14. So that's something.

[RendeR]

I'm not sure that my specialty matters, but I think it may be more useful in patrolling than the others. There's a possibility that it will give me a 2x edge. So, I will do that.

I'm very suspicious of anyone who's signed up for the mission at this point. We have no idea if we can manage to squeak out these camp jobs at this point. That smells of Sympathizers eager to get their hands on something.

WORK ON PATROLLING

dola

To further explain, so far unless more specializations are revealed we need 21 people to complete our three jobs. Hopefully we'll see some more specialists, but until we do we can't afford anyone to go on the mission.

Sticking with the 15 of 19 theory, that means we can afford four people to go on the mission. That's the three searchers and...PB, I guess. This means we'll have NO backup. And if organizing is a x2 skill, and if we only have two of them, we'll actually need 17 of 19. On the other hand, if it's a x3 skill, and we have three of them, we'll only need 14. So that's something.


Just to put this out there, I find Autumn's push to ignore the mission highly suspect, the numbers do not support ignoring the mission at all. And after seeing how very important the mission was to the day 1 camp win I think there is no excuse to ever totally ignore the mission put before us.

As for who should go, I think perhaps since there are 3 of us with the specific searching skill that only those three should go, allowing the maximum people to work on the camps that have no direct usefulness doing a searching mission.

Thoughts?


RENDER JOINS THE MISSION

[EagleFan]

work on food distribution

I am x3.

I am VERY suspicious of people who would jump out immediately to go on the mission when we have so much manpower needed on tasks today. Not even waiting to see what our numbers look like near the deadline to see if it can be spared but jumping immediately at the task for their own personal gain. That is not very union like at all. We are supposed to be in this for the collective good of the union, not for selfish personal gains.

One of these people is already on a suspicion list by his "I think I am xxxx", as if trying to setup an excuse later in the game. How much remembering is involved, read the PM it's pretty straight forward.

[Abe Sargent]

Unknown to the union, many of the major coal companies began starting their own businesses in WV in order to get a part of the profits. Coal production in WV increases exponentially as more coal will be made in WV than any other state. As late as 1912, the WV mines were paying 25 cents to the ton when other coal companies were paying 90. Then add in company stores, which also turned a nice profit, and the company could easily undersell union coal.

The companies in WV take the other coal companies and union to courts and cry conspiracy several times.

[PurdueBrad]

I agree. Poli to a certain extent is explained. PB? Not as much.

Okay, and it would look less fishy if I patrolled, did food distribution, or organization? My skills are a waste today, so I can put in 1 unit of labor on the camp or, and I agree with Danny on this one, I can go out and try to find something useful to myself or the village. What's fishy? I don't recall the mission saying you had to be good at searching today.

[path12]

Well, that was a quick comeback. Good luck labor!

[Autumn]

Just to put this out there, I find Autumn's push to ignore the mission highly suspect, the numbers do not support ignoring the mission at all. And after seeing how very important the mission was to the day 1 camp win I think there is no excuse to ever totally ignore the mission put before us.

I'm trying to catch up but I want to point out that my thinking was based on the nubmers I have written down in my spreadsheet. They may be wrong and I'll look at what numbers others have, but by my count we needed 21 people at the time.

[Passacaglia]

Just to put this out there, I find Autumn's push to ignore the mission highly suspect, the numbers do not support ignoring the mission at all. And after seeing how very important the mission was to the day 1 camp win I think there is no excuse to ever totally ignore the mission put before us.

As for who should go, I think perhaps since there are 3 of us with the specific searching skill that only those three should go, allowing the maximum people to work on the camps that have no direct usefulness doing a searching mission.

Thoughts?


RENDER JOINS THE MISSION

Did you read what the benefits of joining the mission are?

[PurdueBrad]

And furthermore, I did say if the village chose to do the camp, I would move my action.

I'm not trying to jump at you BK, just a growing frustration over a couple games.

[Autumn]

dola

Okay, having read Pass's post that Render quoted, the difference is that I was not assuming we have any specialists who have not revealed. I made that clear in my original statement. Obivously Pass reached different numbers because he made some educated guesses as to what specialists are left.

What's suspicious to me is people pushing a mission when it will be very, very difficult to get this camp won over today. We don't have 100% information at this point, and we know we have Sympathizers who would gladly fake their work. Pass's numbers show that we, at best, need 15 people to sincerely do their work (and not have lied about their skills). That's cutting it close.

Items would be great and I hope we manage to send a few after them, but it's rather early in teh day to be signing up to go get them.

[PurdueBrad]

Any player, whatever their allegiance, may go on this mission with a high probability that you will find an item of usefulness. It is not guaranteed, but many can really help your side.

Bolded parts to show why I made the choice I made.

[Autumn]

Okay, and it would look less fishy if I patrolled, did food distribution, or organization? My skills are a waste today, so I can put in 1 unit of labor on the camp or, and I agree with Danny on this one, I can go out and try to find something useful to myself or the village. What's fishy? I don't recall the mission saying you had to be good at searching today.

Clearly anyone who doesn't have a specialty can only contribute one unit of labor. But the numbers show we really, really need those units of labor. I think it's fishy to weaken the union's numbers on the camp jobs just because you, or anyone else, doesn't have a specialty.

[Passacaglia]

Thanks for the quote, PB. I think I misread the mission a little -- I thought that only one person who went on the mission would get an item, but it looks like several CAN get one. This really doesn't make me feel better about you, though. If you work on the camps, I know you're helping my side, but if you go on the mission, all I know is that you're helping *your* side. You dig?

[claphamsa]

work on organizineg

someone has to do it!

[Passacaglia]

dola

Okay, having read Pass's post that Render quoted, the difference is that I was not assuming we have any specialists who have not revealed. I made that clear in my original statement. Obivously Pass reached different numbers because he made some educated guesses as to what specialists are left.

What's suspicious to me is people pushing a mission when it will be very, very difficult to get this camp won over today. We don't have 100% information at this point, and we know we have Sympathizers who would gladly fake their work. Pass's numbers show that we, at best, need 15 people to sincerely do their work (and not have lied about their skills). That's cutting it close.

Items would be great and I hope we manage to send a few after them, but it's rather early in teh day to be signing up to go get them.

Just another note -- our best-case scenario is that we need 14. But that would require ntndeacon, Schmidty, and TheNorm all to be organizers, and all to reveal. That would also mean everyone would have revealed, and I'm not sure if we want that at this point.

[DaddyTorgo]

I've thought about this and what's to prevent a wolf from passing it to another wolf? Or, worse, a villager passing to a wolf.

i'm not saying people passing stuff around would buy trust, but if someone goes on the mission and finds something that they can't use it'd be nice of them to pass it to me, and if i can use it i will (and then they'll have trust of me at least) and if not i'll pass it back.

presumably then you'd notice if you passed someone something (say a knife) and then somebody got knifed to death - you'd assume they were not exactly on our side.

[USFLTecmo]

I do advocate trying to win the camp over today. I have the suspicion, reading Abe's posts, that if we completely abandon the camp today, it'll have dire consequences.

[jeheinz72]

dola

To further explain, so far unless more specializations are revealed we need 21 people to complete our three jobs. Hopefully we'll see some more specialists, but until we do we can't afford anyone to go on the mission.

Agreed. And frankly anyone who just jumped on the mission because they aren't a x3 on one of the things we need is someone I'm looking askance at. 1 point of work is still one point of work here folks, and we need to win camps.

[jeheinz72]

I'm a gladhander but I'm happy to help out at x1 strength for the camp. I'd like to see us make a genuine effort to win it. Items are nice, but I have a feeling we're not coming back with like 10 villager items here folks, be real.

[Autumn]

We've got no one on organization right now, and that's worrisome. I think Pass and I should work on patrolling, as I think our skill descrip suggests there's some chance we'd be more effective. That would give us 6 on patrolling (and possibly 8).

I'm worried about the mission deadline. It gives the Sympathizers a good chance to just go out on it "to make sure someone does" and then leave us understaffed if others don't show up, or don't have the specialties we're planning on.

I'll have to look at the numbers again, but I would think a minimum of maybe the three searchers should go on the mission.

[PurdueBrad]

Fine, I'll switch and go to where we most need people. For the record, I still think Danny's reasoning about the mission isn't necessarily bad.

unvote mission

work on organization

[Passacaglia]

We've got no one on organization right now, and that's worrisome. I think Pass and I should work on patrolling, as I think our skill descrip suggests there's some chance we'd be more effective. That would give us 6 on patrolling (and possibly 8).

I'm worried about the mission deadline. It gives the Sympathizers a good chance to just go out on it "to make sure someone does" and then leave us understaffed if others don't show up, or don't have the specialties we're planning on.

I'll have to look at the numbers again, but I would think a minimum of maybe the three searchers should go on the mission.

Autumn, we've actually got 6 on patrolling already with CR and USFL, and that's all we need. If we can afford to have two people doing backup, I'll do patrolling (even though I'm not convinced I'm x2 for this task exactly). But I figure that we're going to be needed elsewhere.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm a gladhander but I'm happy to help out at x1 strength for the camp. I'd like to see us make a genuine effort to win it. Items are nice, but I have a feeling we're not coming back with like 10 villager items here folks, be real.

Agreed, but it says "most". So if we send 3 people, most is 2. If we send 10, most would start at 6. Big difference IMO.

[Passacaglia]

Agreed, but it says "most". So if we send 3 people, most is 2. If we send 10, most would start at 6. Big difference IMO.

huh?

[Autumn]

If we do:
Mission: Poli, Render, Jackal (all at 3x)
Patrol(6): Chief, USFL, Autumn, Pass (6-8)
Food(15): Lathum, EagleFan, Danny, Barkeep (10)
Organize: Clap, Purdue, (2)

So of the 6 people left we would have to hope for 11 man-hours out of them. It doesn't seem likely we have any more food distributors, so we would need 5 people on food and hope for 6 out of the last one? What am I missing here?

[Autumn]

Oh USFL is a Patroller? I missed that somehow.

[Autumn]

If we do:
Mission: Poli, Render, Jackal (all at 3x)
Patrol(6): Chief, USFL, Autumn (7-8)
Food(15): Lathum, EagleFan, Danny, Barkeep, Pass, Purdue (12)
Organize(8): Clap (1)

So, we would need three more people on Food. That would leave us three hopefully specialists to go on Organize. If they're all 3x we're set. If they're 2x, we're screwed. If they're not specialists, we're screwed. If they don't show up, we're screwed.

I'm not sure we want to cut it that close.

[jeheinz72]

Agreed, but it says "most". So if we send 3 people, most is 2. If we send 10, most would start at 6. Big difference IMO.

I know what it says and I'd agree that all spare people should go on the mission, keyword: spare.

Let's not fly off half-cocked here so we can get some item that we have no idea the strength of. For all we know we're potentially sacrificing a camp for little benefit (granted the opposite is also true)

[Autumn]

I could switch to Food. That would leave us at just 6 on Patrol but give us an extra person to go on Organize. What do people think?

At this point it's going to be child's play for the Sympathizers to sabotage the day. I think we may have to give up on the mission.

[Autumn]

Sorry for all hte posts, I'm doing a boring project, and thinking outloud here. Food Distribution is probably the one we want to add extra to, since it would be really difficult to figure out who was the Sympathizer among all those one unit people. If we do have organizers we could leave it to the three organizers and two patrollers and at least we'd have suspects if they fake it. I'm not sure if we have enough to be "fake-proof" all around.

[ntndeacon]

Work on Organizing

[Passacaglia]

If we do:
Mission: Poli, Render, Jackal (all at 3x)
Patrol(6): Chief, USFL, Autumn (7-8)
Food(15): Lathum, EagleFan, Danny, Barkeep, Pass, Purdue (12)
Organize(8): Clap (1)

So, we would need three more people on Food. That would leave us three hopefully specialists to go on Organize. If they're all 3x we're set. If they're 2x, we're screwed. If they're not specialists, we're screwed. If they don't show up, we're screwed.

I'm not sure we want to cut it that close.

This is confusing -- why did you move PB from organization to food?

So there are 6 people not on your list. Three need to do food, and the rest probably on organization. And yeah, if they're 2x and there's only two of them, we're screwed -- we'd have to bring in a searcher, basically, cuz we would need 17 people on the camps.

[jeheinz72]

I guess here's how I analyze our different possible plans of attack on the day

#1 - We abandon the camp, all-out on the mission. So we a lose a camp (bad), give us no new lead on sympathizers (bad), give sympathizers items (bad), get ourselves items (good).

#2 - We overload the camp, virtually abandon mission. We don't get items (bad), neither do sympathizers (good), either win the camp (good) or they have to put more effort into sabotge (bad but good too).

#3 - We go paper thin on the camp (basically just cover the amount needed), everyone else to the mission. We either win the camp (good) or they sabotage and in doing so give us a very small group to pick from with regard to our lynch vote (bad but some good). We get some items, not as many (ok)

I think plan 3 is the best course of action. We cover the 3 camp objectives as efficiently as possible and anyone leftover goes on the mission. This is my problem with people just instantly going on the mission, it's going to make achieving this scenario more challenging.

I'm a gladhander, but maybe it's still best for me to put my 1 unit of work on Food or Organize or whatever rather than to go try and find an item, ya dig?

[PurdueBrad]

huh?

The missions says that not everyone will get an item but "most" will. So if we only send three people, it's two or, at best, three items. If we sent ten (for example), it is 6 or more items we would get (assuming the word most holds up the way I understand it).

[Passacaglia]

The missions says that not everyone will get an item but "most" will. So if we only send three people, it's two or, at best, three items. If we sent ten (for example), it is 6 or more items we would get (assuming the word most holds up the way I understand it).

I don't see where it says that.

[PurdueBrad]

Any player, whatever their allegiance, may go on this mission with a high probability that you will find an item of usefulness. It is not guaranteed, but many can really help your side.


Sorry, the word most does not appear (dreamed it?) but the plural of items as well as "high probability" implies that there are numerous things available that would be helpful.

[Autumn]

This is confusing -- why did you move PB from organization to food?

I just realized that we have to hold out space for any organizing specialists. We can probably assume there are no more food specialists so we should throw the one unit people at food.

Ntndeacon, you're signed up for organizing now. Are you a specialist?

[PurdueBrad]

Apparently my work has been requested elsewhere. ROTATE.

unwork organizing

work food

[Passacaglia]

I just realized that we have to hold out space for any organizing specialists. We can probably assume there are no more food specialists so we should throw the one unit people at food.

Ntndeacon, you're signed up for organizing now. Are you a specialist?

Word. I understand wanting to keep some skills secret at this point, but it would have been nice to at least know if he would be good at organizing or not. I get the feeling he's trying to hint that he is by just putting in work on it and not saying anything else, but I think that it needs to be out in the open so we can do some planning around it, cuz if he's not, we're in a much bigger hole (unless TheNorm and Schmidty bail us out).

[Autumn]

Let's assume we have three Organizers (though that seems unlikely).

We could go with

Patrol 6 (2 union members)
Food 15 (9 union members)
Organize 9 (3 union members)

If any one of those 14 members is a Sympathizer they will almost certainly sabotage our efforts and we will lose the day (but maybe gain some items).

What would it take to cover our butts here? Probably an extra three on each mission in order to cover for rotten specialists (though of course that's still not fool proof). With only five other members, we can't do that. We could put three extra on Food (requiring at least two Sympathizers sabotage, including a specialist). The other two would at least give us a very good suspect list if they sabotaged. We'd have two left to go on the mission.

[Autumn]

Apparently my work has been requested elsewhere. ROTATE.

unwork organizing

work food

That's just my suggestion. It seems wisest to me but I'm open to counter evidence.

[Abe Sargent]

In 1901, Pennsylvania mines, which had been producing much coal for decades, began to decline in production as coal interests moved south to West Virginia. In that same year, Ohio, Indiana and Illinois all begin to decline in production, just as WV is reaching the beginning of a long apex at the top.

[Autumn]

Another thought that comes to mind is that Path may have been an organizer, in which case we'd have to scrap the mission.

[Passacaglia]

Mine is one that has already been mentioned, though not useful for either converting the camp or searching.

Here's post 205 by path. From that, I had him down as food distribution or treasury, but when I saw that we had three food distributors, I put him down for treasury. Of course, he could be lying. ALSO, we still don't even know that there IS an organizing skill! If there isn't, then we're really screwed.

[The Jackal]

hey just came around and caught up

i think since i'm a searcher i should definitely go on the mission - but i'll be checking in beforehands to make sure it's not necessary for me to stay back and work on the camps

GO ON MISSION

[Autumn]

I agree, Pass. I'm thinking at this point that we may want to have everybody off the mission for the moment. If we get enough reveals and workers by the mission deadline we can switch a couple people back. It would suck to lose a camp just for the sake of a couple items, maybe.

Glad to see Path wasn't an organizer though.

[The Jackal]

I'm hesitant to stay back from the mission. If we send no one and have everyone working on camps there's gonna be wolves there anyways (whether they fake or not) - and if we outright lose the mission, who's to say the wolves don't automatically receive any items? I think I'm going to stay put for now.

[The Jackal]

on a completely unrelated note, i'm a college starter, woo!

[Passacaglia]

Grr. So we've had both ntn and TheNorm pop in here and not do anything to help us out with some info. And my guess is that Schmidty is not likely to be here in time for the mission. I really really don't want to, but we've got to start working on what we should do if no one is an organizer.

[Passacaglia]

Patrol -- 2 (both at x3)
Food -- 9 (3 at x3, 6 at x1)
Organize -- 8 (all at x1)

That's all 19 of us. I wonder if that's not a coincidence. And we are ripe for faking then. 9 on food and 9 on organizing? Sheesh.

[ntndeacon]

Yes Autumn I am an organizer. this is why I have done both days activities. the first day's mission in organizing the rescue effort, my specialty was something that could have been in play. today my specialty is needed more in the winning of the camp.

[Passacaglia]

I really hope we don't have to do that, but I guess we've got some time before we need to worry.

[Passacaglia]

Whew.

[Passacaglia]

Yes Autumn I am an organizer. this is why I have done both days activities. the first day's mission in organizing the rescue effort, my specialty was something that could have been in play. today my specialty is needed more in the winning of the camp.

Can I ask how specific your PM was in saying that you would be useful on the mission? It seemed like the general thinking yesterday was that searchers would be the one whose specialty would be useful for the mission -- of course, we didn't know that organizing existed.

I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out TheNorm and Schmidty. As we approached mission deadline, TheNorm chose to go on the mission, but he didn't seem to have an inkling toward it -- he and I were back-and-forth about who would do which of the mission and oratory. Schmidty wasn't around before the mission deadline, so I guess he wasn't any help there.

[Autumn]

Ntndeacon, can you confirm if you're 2x or 3x?

[Lathum]

path dying contradicts your theory. They attacked path despite his not revealing. This suggests clearly to me that they were focused on other factors not the reveals.

how do you know??

I never even stated what my theory was?!?!?!

[Autumn]

Pass, I don't think we have a lot of time. We've got about an hour until mission deadline and if nobody shifts off of that then we're stuck with what we've got, which may not be enough.

[The Jackal]

I think we have 3 hours until mission deadline, don't we?

[The Jackal]

Yeah, mission orders due at 3. We've got some time.

[Lathum]

I am pretty disappointed to see the first two people posting both choosing to take the selfish route. I will likely be establishing my work early.

not sure what you mean here. I was one of the first people to step up, how is winning a camp selfish?

[The Jackal]

Who is on the mission right now besides me? Poli?

[Lathum]

did you refer to me as DL instead of DT or am I just not on your list cuz you hate me? :rant:

I meant you. I was drunk, really I was just trying to come up with the list of people who have played the most games with Path

[TheNorm]

Grr. So we've had both ntn and TheNorm pop in here and not do anything to help us out with some info. And my guess is that Schmidty is not likely to be here in time for the mission. I really really don't want to, but we've got to start working on what we should do if no one is an organizer.

Because I'm taking the 'not revealing until a camp activity requires it' line on this. There's also a high probability that I'll find something useful to the labor movement on this mission, so that's where I'm going.

Go To Mission

[Passacaglia]

Ntndeacon, can you confirm if you're 2x or 3x?

He's said earlier he was x3 somewhere -- I'll look for it.

[Lathum]

Since food distribution is the largest, and we only have 1 who has claimed that skill, I believe, I'm going to help out there.



I don't have time to review the whole thread but I think we have 2 people claiming that skill

[ntndeacon]

Can I ask how specific your PM was in saying that you would be useful on the mission? It seemed like the general thinking yesterday was that searchers would be the one whose specialty would be useful for the mission -- of course, we didn't know that organizing existed.

I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out TheNorm and Schmidty. As we approached mission deadline, TheNorm chose to go on the mission, but he didn't seem to have an inkling toward it -- he and I were back-and-forth about who would do which of the mission and oratory. Schmidty wasn't around before the mission deadline, so I guess he wasn't any help there.

Basically it said that tasks involving organization would get a benifit from my assistants of threefold a normal worker. SInce the mission was ORGANIZING a rescuie mission, I figured my specialty was in play... I am not sure as search makes sense there too, but I erred on the side of caution. My thinking was a little different than general thinking since I knew of the organizing specialty...I was hoping that the sypathizers may have not gotten that role, and were therefore unaware of its existance, therefore underestimating my (and hopefully others) effect on the mission.

[Passacaglia]

not sure what you mean here. I was one of the first people to step up, how is winning a camp selfish?

Are you still drunk? :p He wasn't talking about you -- he was talking about the people going on the mission.

[Lathum]

I think this is a valid work action for you still, but I have both EagleFan and Danny as good food distributors.

I am a food distrubutor

[Lathum]

I guess I need to pony up

I am x3 on food distrinution



...

[Passacaglia]

Because I'm taking the 'not revealing until a camp activity requires it' line on this. There's also a high probability that I'll find something useful to the labor movement on this mission, so that's where I'm going.

Go To Mission

It just would have been nice if you could have told us that you would not be able to help on organizing -- I thought you were catching up on the thread, and was waiting to see if you were an organizer to shed some light and help us in our planning. The fact that you chose to not help us out, plus are going on the mission instead of the camps, does not make you look good here.

So we've got to hope Schmidty is an organizer. And there's a damn good chance he doesn't show up in time for us to figure out mission plans, so we might as well make a guess now. My hunch is that he is an organizer -- I don't think path was one, no one else is one, and with 20 people and 8 skills, it's likely we had 4 skills of 3 each and 4 skills of 2 each.

[The Jackal]

Because I'm taking the 'not revealing until a camp activity requires it' line on this. There's also a high probability that I'll find something useful to the labor movement on this mission, so that's where I'm going.

Go To Mission

Well that's curious.

[Passacaglia]

I am a food distrubutor

Yeah, I missed that in my first post, but caught it later. Thanks.

[Autumn]

Clearly we've got Sympathizers going on the mission at this point. Norm, you either have not caught up yet or are choosing to help the Sympathizers by going on the mission.

I'm glad the deadline's later than I thought.

[Passacaglia]

Even though I think Schmidty is an organizer, I want to look at worst-case scenario (that he isn't one):

Patrol -- 2 (both x3)
Food -- 9 (3 at x3, 6 at x1)
Organizing -- 6 (1 at x3, 5 at x1) (both x3)


That's 17 of 19. If we go based on this assumption, I think it's best if we just punt on the mission, and have none of the searchers go -- that seems more fair than choosing 2 of the searchers that get to go, and I'd rather just not get the items than let wolves get them.

[Passacaglia]

With Schmidty as an organizer:


Patrol -- 2 (both x3)
Food -- 9 (3 at x3, 6 at x1)
Organizing -- 4 (2 at x3, 2 at x1)

Which puts us at 15 of 19. The three searchers, would get to go, plus one more....TheNorm, I guess. It would be nice to have backup for the food.

[Passacaglia]

my skill makes me 3 times as effective at tasks involving that skill.

Found it, Autumn. Post 344.

[Passacaglia]

Clearly we've got Sympathizers going on the mission at this point. Norm, you either have not caught up yet or are choosing to help the Sympathizers by going on the mission.

I'm glad the deadline's later than I thought.

Mission deadline is 3 PM EST, right?

[The Jackal]

I think this is what we have, feel free to correct:

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3), Autumn (x2?) (8/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB (8/15)
organization (8) - clap, ntn (x3) (4/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal, TheNorm

idle - Schmidty, Pass, dubb, DT, Danny, heinz

[The Jackal]

Didn't format that as nicely as I wanted, but you get the idea.

Norm is suggesting he has a skill that could be helpful on the mission but hasn't been revealed yet? Very strange. And I don't know if people are going to mesh with four of us not working on the camps.

[Lathum]

Are you still drunk? :p He wasn't talking about you -- he was talking about the people going on the mission.

he said first to people posting. I assumed that meant posting actions after deadline.

I think you guys are off on Food Distribution, I count 4 people x3, but I may also still be drunk.

[The Jackal]

Who's x3 besides you and EF? I certainly could've missed a post.

[Passacaglia]

he said first to people posting. I assumed that meant posting actions after deadline.

I think you guys are off on Food Distribution, I count 4 people x3, but I may also still be drunk.

I could be wrong -- the easy way to solve it is to tell me who your fourth is, besides you, EagleFan, and Danny.

[The Jackal]

Ah, I see Danny is x3 as well but was seeing how his mass-mission idea would work.

Dubb also said he might go on the mission - but I assume these two will stay in the camps.

[DaddyTorgo]

I meant you. I was drunk, really I was just trying to come up with the list of people who have played the most games with Path

:lol:

that's cool...just messin with you

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm available to do whatever the consensus is that i need to do today

[The Jackal]

i'm available to do whatever the consensus is that i need to do today

it's looking like either food distribution or organizing, but since you're not going on the mission you've got time to see where the other people are gonna fit in, and hopefully to see if schmidty is a x3 organizer

[Lathum]

I could be wrong -- the easy way to solve it is to tell me who your fourth is, besides you, EagleFan, and Danny.

I'll have to wait until later to look, I am already running late and need to shower so I don't stink like day old vodka. Was hoping I would have time to rub one out but reading this thread has killed that dream.

[The Jackal]

classic post

[PurdueBrad]

Wow Lathum, I may have to put that in my sig for you to remember, always.

[Passacaglia]

I'll have to wait until later to look, I am already running late and need to shower so I don't stink like day old vodka. Was hoping I would have time to rub one out but reading this thread has killed that dream.

You don't find my lists sexy? ):

[Autumn]

I haven't found a lot of threads at FOFC that were conducive to rubbing one out, frankly, Lathum.

[jeheinz72]

That post was awesome Lathum.

[jeheinz72]

My afternoon is shaping up as busier than expected, so I'm getting this in now. I *should* be around to check if I need to move, but this seems like the spot we'll mostly likely need some x1 assistance

WORK ON FOOD

[The Jackal]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3), Autumn (x2?) (8/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz (9/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3) (4/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal, TheNorm

idle - Schmidty, Pass, dubb, DT, Danny

[dubb93]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3), Autumn (x2?) (8/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz (9/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3) (4/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal, TheNorm

idle - Schmidty, Pass, dubb, DT, Danny

Going by this I will...

Work on food distribution

[Lathum]

classic post

Wow Lathum, I may have to put that in my sig for you to remember, always.

I haven't found a lot of threads at FOFC that were conducive to rubbing one out, frankly, Lathum.

That post was awesome Lathum.

what's really creepy is food distribution is my specialty, better hope I wash my hands

[Autumn]

This is interesting. If Schmidty isn't an organizer, what are the chances that TheNorm is an organizer and a Sympathizer?

I'm not sure how long we want to wait for Schmidty before we pull people off of the mission to cover the Organizing.

[Autumn]

what's really creepy is food distribution is my specialty, better hope I wash my hands

I'm not visualizing our Food Distributors as lunch ladies with those plastic gloves on and hairnets.

[The Jackal]

This is interesting. If Schmidty isn't an organizer, what are the chances that TheNorm is an organizer and a Sympathizer?

I'm not sure how long we want to wait for Schmidty before we pull people off of the mission to cover the Organizing.

I think Norm really needs to talk more about why he's going on the mission.

[Lathum]

IIRC Schmidty said he has the day off today and tomorrow

[TheNorm]

This is interesting. If Schmidty isn't an organizer, what are the chances that TheNorm is an organizer and a Sympathizer?

I'm not sure how long we want to wait for Schmidty before we pull people off of the mission to cover the Organizing.

If I was an organizer, I would've helped out with the organizing. I'm not, so therefore I'm not helping out with the organizing.

[The Jackal]

If I was an organizer, I would've helped out with the organizing. I'm not, so therefore I'm not helping out with the organizing.

But we're cutting it really close, and might need your 1 unit of work in organization or food distribution. We know why the searchers are going on the mission, but we don't know why you are.. so you see why people are questioning the decision.

[Autumn]

TheNorm, even without a specialization, if you go on the mission instead of working, we'll probably lose the camp. Are you clear on that?

[TheNorm]

Clearly we've got Sympathizers going on the mission at this point. Norm, you either have not caught up yet or are choosing to help the Sympathizers by going on the mission.

I'm glad the deadline's later than I thought.

I did catch up. I didn't post because I'm currently working on other things as well.

[TheNorm]

TheNorm, even without a specialization, if you go on the mission instead of working, we'll probably lose the camp. Are you clear on that?

Absolutely. But since there's a high probability that I'll find something useful for my skill, I'm taking the chance that I'll find it. There's nothing I can do about whether others find it suspicious or not, but the bottom line is I'm going hunting for it.

[PurdueBrad]

But mommy, mommy, if The Norm gets to go on the mission...

I kid, I kid.

[USFLTecmo]

what's really creepy is food distribution is my specialty, better hope I wash my hands

No thanks, I'll just starve. ;)

[Autumn]

All Norm seems to be doing is writing his name on my suspect list, as far as i can tell.

[Autumn]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3), Autumn (x2?) (8/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz, dubb (10/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3) (4/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal, TheNorm

idle - Schmidty, Pass, DT, Danny

[Autumn]

Oops, I thought I had switched already. It seems we definitely wil have to leave Patrolling to those two unless more people switch from the mission.

<b>UNWORK PATROLLING
WORK ON FOOD DISTRIBUTION</b>

[Autumn]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3) (6/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz, dubb, autumn (11/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3) (4/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal, TheNorm

idle - Schmidty, Pass, DT, Danny

[The Jackal]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3) (6/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz, dubb, Autumn (11/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3) (4/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal, TheNorm

idle - Schmidty, Pass, DT, Danny

[USFLTecmo]

The only thing that would help patrolling is a +3, because if either CR or I are lying, we'd need 3 more points to cover it. One or two won't help a bit, and we can't spare 3, from what I can tell.

[The Jackal]

heh, double posts

[Autumn]

now you owe me a coke

[TheNorm]

All Norm seems to be doing is writing his name on my suspect list, as far as i can tell.

That's your prerogative--it's okay to have that opinion even if it is wrong. ;)

[Autumn]

Clearly we can't win the camp with those four on the mission. Going on the mission helps the Sympathizers in two ways - losing us the camp and gaining them items. That's obviously worth the chance of getting Ousted to them. TheNorm would be my first target since he has no plausible reason to be there.

[Autumn]

That's your prerogative--it's okay to have that opinion even if it is wrong. ;)

Please give us all your opinion, in which it makes sense to lose us the camp so you can get an item. I'd be glad to hear it. Do you see any way in which we can win the camp and you be on the mission?

[TheNorm]

Clearly we can't win the camp with those four on the mission. Going on the mission helps the Sympathizers in two ways - losing us the camp and gaining them items. That's obviously worth the chance of getting Ousted to them. TheNorm would be my first target since he has no plausible reason to be there.

If you must, although I find it just a bit suspicious that you want to paint me as a target. If you're hunting for a sympathizer you should look elsewhere because I'm not it.

[The Jackal]

See I'm tempted to move off the mission because I know my 1 unit could help, but I'm also very hesitant because you're probably right about there being at least one wolf on this mission and I don't want them having a better chance of getting good items.

[Autumn]

I'd rather have no targets, because that would mean we were winning over the camp. Right now we're not, and I'm not sure why you're not helping to.

I'd like to see some of the people on the mission help us to get the numbers we need.

[Autumn]

dola

I'm out for a bit, check in later.

[Passacaglia]

Clearly we can't win the camp with those four on the mission. Going on the mission helps the Sympathizers in two ways - losing us the camp and gaining them items. That's obviously worth the chance of getting Ousted to them. TheNorm would be my first target since he has no plausible reason to be there.

If Danny works on food, and Schmidty is an organizer, we're still good. TheNorm has definitely put is in a precarious spot, though -- having a backup on food would be nice, with 9 potential fakers there.

[The Jackal]

Norm, you realize you're going searching for something with three people who -specialize- in searching? Chances are you're gonna find nothing, and be a detriment to winning the camp. Just putting that out there.

[TheNorm]

Please give us all your opinion, in which it makes sense to lose us the camp so you can get an item. I'd be glad to hear it. Do you see any way in which we can win the camp and you be on the mission?

Because I'm likely to be twice as effective if I find something that I'm hunting for on this mission. Like I mentioned in my previous post, you might want to take a look at some of the others going on this mission--odds are one of them is whom you'll be looking for. Right now you're just pointing your finger at a fellow labor worker.

...if that's what you really are.

[The Jackal]

Of course, I have no idea how the mission or searching mechanic works, so that's just theorizing.

[jeheinz72]

The only thing that would help patrolling is a +3, because if either CR or I are lying, we'd need 3 more points to cover it. One or two won't help a bit, and we can't spare 3, from what I can tell.

Really, if one of the two wants to fake they'd be fools. I'll take a 50/50 shot at a sympathizer lynch.

If they're going to fake, they'll likely be smart and do it in a group where they aren't 1 of 2 people.

[The Jackal]

If I had to try and get into that crazy head of Abe's, I'd say there's gonna be 1 or 2 items and anyone that goes on the mission will have a certain chance at finding them (likely on a d20!), and with us having boosts to searching, your chances are minimal. Unless you know something I don't.

[jeheinz72]

I'm also in agreeance about the current status of Norm as a suspect. I understand everyone wants to be a hero and do something awesome in a game, but it seems foolheartdy to put that ahead of success winning the camp, especially when he's going to be out there with 3 people who are presumably better at searching than he is.

[The Jackal]

RendeR and Poli really haven't said anything since they joined the mission, have they. Input guys?

[jeheinz72]

I have no idea.

Glad to be of service.

[The Jackal]

I meant input from them. ;)

[Passacaglia]

Because I'm likely to be twice as effective if I find something that I'm hunting for on this mission. Like I mentioned in my previous post, you might want to take a look at some of the others going on this mission--odds are one of them is whom you'll be looking for. Right now you're just pointing your finger at a fellow labor worker.

...if that's what you really are.

Lathuming!!!!

[The Jackal]

I know you're sad you aren't involved in this fun, Alan.

[claphamsa]

hes too busy drinking is haterade to play!

[Passacaglia]

No love for MartinD?

[USFLTecmo]

Really, if one of the two wants to fake they'd be fools. I'll take a 50/50 shot at a sympathizer lynch.

If they're going to fake, they'll likely be smart and do it in a group where they aren't 1 of 2 people.

I certainly hope CR is legit, because then it would confirm I am too.

[The Jackal]

No love for MartinD?

Whoops, I missed him. Good call.

[DaddyTorgo]

we have until 9pm to distribute to the work, right? 3pm is just the "misson/no mission" deadline...?

[The Jackal]

we have until 9pm to distribute to the work, right? 3pm is just the "misson/no mission" deadline...?

right

[Passacaglia]

ooh, Schmidty is in the house!

[Autumn]

But of course once we have the mission deadline we can't get back those people who go on the mission.

[Autumn]

The way things could be:

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3) (6/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz, dubb, Autumn, Danny (x3), DT (15/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3), Schmidty (x3), Pass (8/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal, TheNorm

You're right, I was thinking we'd be short one with TheNorm on the mission but we'd be spot on. Which of course means we'd fail, because how could the Sympathizers miss a chance like this?

This is also still assuming Schmidty is an Organizer which I'm fearing is not necessarily true.

[Passacaglia]

And Schmidty is gone. I hope he's not TheNorming.

[Abe Sargent]

1902 – Baldwin-Felts detectives are first imported and used as gun-thugs and strike busters, and along with the National Guard, are sent to Fayette to bust strikers wanting recognition of their union.

[Abe Sargent]

Hi JAG!

[Autumn]

Today it's Shoutouts To My Peeps in the Werewolf forum

[Schmidty]

I don't have time to catch up on everything right now, but I want to ask if I should reveal my skill. I'll check back in a little bit.

(Sorry I've been so absent, but this new job schedule is wacky)

[Passacaglia]

I don't have time to catch up on everything right now, but I want to ask if I should reveal my skill. I'll check back in a little bit.

(Sorry I've been so absent, but this new job schedule is wacky)

I would say that you don't HAVE to if you don't want to, but it would really help us out if you let us know whether or not you're an organizer.

[claphamsa]

And Schmidty is gone. I hope he's not TheNorming.


the norming?

[Autumn]

I don't have time to catch up on everything right now, but I want to ask if I should reveal my skill. I'll check back in a little bit.

(Sorry I've been so absent, but this new job schedule is wacky)

We pretty much have to know if you're an Organizer in order to win the camp today. If not we need to shift people off of hte mission.

[Danny]

I really don't want to do all the reading to catch up, where do we stand? Did we decide to all go on the mission or try and convert the camp?

[TheNorm]

And Schmidty is gone. I hope he's not TheNorming.

Haha, hilarious--what the hell's that supposed to mean? Just because I'm doing something I think will eventually help us out even if it isn't apparent now doesn't make me a sympathizer. But since the squeaky wheel needs the grease and as a show of good faith, I'll reveal (even though I've been hinting at it these last few posts).

unvote mission
go to food distribution

Hope I don't need a gun or anything for any future hunting expeditions. If so, I'll just use my bare hands. :p

If you seriously think I'm a weak link in any of these games, please feel free to vote me out and remove me, and I'll be more than happy to not participate any further.

[TheNorm]

Because it's damn well apparent to me by the tone of Pass's post that I'm really not too welcome here.

[The Jackal]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3) (6/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz, dubb, Autumn, TheNorm (12/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3) (4/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal

idle - Schmidty, Pass, DT, Danny

[Danny]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3) (6/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz, dubb, autumn (11/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3) (4/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal, TheNorm

idle - Schmidty, Pass, DT, Danny

I don't like the fact that some are going on missions while we barely have enough to convert the camp. This looks almost guaranteed for at least one person to fake causing us to miss the camp.

[The Jackal]

Because it's damn well apparent to me by the tone of Pass's post that I'm really not too welcome here.

I'm pretty sure he was joking. You're more than welcome here.

[The Jackal]

And be prepared to go on at least one caps/profanity-filled rant. It seems to be contagious.

[EagleFan]

Norm!!!!

[EagleFan]

Wow, I missed that one by a mile.

[jeheinz72]

I certainly hope CR is legit, because then it would confirm I am too.

I'll stop far short of non-faking being any sort of clearance, of course. ;)

[Autumn]

I don't like the fact that some are going on missions while we barely have enough to convert the camp. This looks almost guaranteed for at least one person to fake causing us to miss the camp.

And I agree, Danny. If we don't put some extra on food, at least, they'll be able to sabotage us without even risking their identity.

[Danny]

Haha, hilarious--what the hell's that supposed to mean? Just because I'm doing something I think will eventually help us out even if it isn't apparent now doesn't make me a sympathizer. But since the squeaky wheel needs the grease and as a show of good faith, I'll reveal (even though I've been hinting at it these last few posts).

unvote mission
go to food distribution

Hope I don't need a gun or anything for any future hunting expeditions. If so, I'll just use my bare hands. :p

If you seriously think I'm a weak link in any of these games, please feel free to vote me out and remove me, and I'll be more than happy to not participate any further.

Norm, I don't think anyone has meant anything towards you personally. We're all glad you're playing, but people should be able to criticize other's moves and point suspicion. It's the whole point of the game.

[The Jackal]

I'll stop far short of non-faking being any sort of clearance, of course. ;)

of course you got post 666

[EagleFan]

Because it's damn well apparent to me by the tone of Pass's post that I'm really not too welcome here.

You're quite welcome here. Plus, it's just a game so it's best to take everything as if it is meant jokingly to keep oneself sane. ;)

[jeheinz72]

I'm pretty sure he was joking. You're more than welcome here.

Norm, I don't think anyone has meant anything towards you personally. We're all glad you're playing, but people should be able to criticize other's moves and point suspicion. It's the whole point of the game.

That and that.

[jeheinz72]

of course you got post 666

Why whatever do you mean? :D

[Danny]

Since we're going this way

Work on Food Distribution

That gives us 15/15. What was Jackal's, Poli and Renders reason for going on mission?

[Autumn]

Haha, hilarious--what the hell's that supposed to mean? Just because I'm doing something I think will eventually help us out even if it isn't apparent now doesn't make me a sympathizer. But since the squeaky wheel needs the grease and as a show of good faith, I'll reveal (even though I've been hinting at it these last few posts).

unvote mission
go to food distribution

Hope I don't need a gun or anything for any future hunting expeditions. If so, I'll just use my bare hands. :p

If you seriously think I'm a weak link in any of these games, please feel free to vote me out and remove me, and I'll be more than happy to not participate any further.

If you're serious about all this, I think you're reading too much into it TheNorm. Clearly you had a reason you thought you could take advantage of the mission, all of us could, including the two other hunters. But adding a fourth person to the mission was making it almost certain we would fail today. That's clearly playing into the hands of the wolves. This is a game of suspicion and you painted a target on yourself. It's still very possible that you're a wolf, and playing this card to gain some sympathy. But if not, nobody's saying you are a weak link, we're just trying to win the game.

Thanks for moving your work.

[Autumn]

Danny, they are all Searchers and felt they would do well on the mission. For the most part they've then been silent, though Jackal said he would move but he's afraid that might leave a wolf searching for items.

Personally I'd rather abandon the items and have all three pad out our stats. On a day when we can barely win the camp anyone eager to go on the mission has me suspicious.

[USFLTecmo]

Because it's damn well apparent to me by the tone of Pass's post that I'm really not too welcome here.

What they all said. It's pretty clear he disagrees with the strategy of your actions, rather than anything else. I literally interpret his "TheNorming" comment as him hoping Schmidty doesn't make the same move as you did, one he thought was detrimental to the team (or maybe he's a Sympathizer, trying to sow discord :D). "Lathuming" is expressed quite often around here, and it's simply a spinoff of that.

[Schmidty]

I would say that you don't HAVE to if you don't want to, but it would really help us out if you let us know whether or not you're an organizer.

My skill is Organization. What should I do? I am more in the dark in this game than any other one I can think of.

[DaddyTorgo]

gotta take everything said in a game thread with a grain of salt and imagine the other person smiling when they say it norm. otherwise your skin won't be thick enough to roll in these parts.

nobody was attacking you personally - you're more than welcome here. you just can't expect a free ride on anything you do within the game. if you happen to get away with one that's great, but you can't expect it.

[EagleFan]

Norm, I don't think anyone has meant anything towards you personally. We're all glad you're playing, but people should be able to criticize other's moves and point suspicion. It's the whole point of the game.

To TheNorm's defense. I don't think what he was reacting to was neccesarily a criticism of his play, or at least it was open to interpretation anyway.

With that said, back to the fun. It's almost mission time. Any sympathisers want to step forward and show yourselves? Labor Unite!!!!

[jeheinz72]

What was Jackal's, Poli and Renders reason for going on mission?

IIRC it is because they are Searchers

[DaddyTorgo]

My skill is Organization. What should I do? I am more in the dark in this game than any other one I can think of.

how about organizing your thoughts? :p

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Danny]

With 29 units, it seems like we're going to have to walk a really fine line to get everything done. Perhaps I've been wrong yet again and succeeding at the mission is essential as we'll perhaps need items we find?

Since food distribution is the largest, and we only have 1 who has claimed that skill, I believe, I'm going to help out there.

Work on food distribution

Barkeep seemed to completely dismiss my idea for all going in the mission. That doesn't sit well with me and his play has been a little back and forth and odd all game.

[The Jackal]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3) (6/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz, dubb, Autumn, TheNorm, Danny (x3) (15/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3) (4/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal

idle - Schmidty, Pass, DT

[Autumn]

My skill is Organization. What should I do? I am more in the dark in this game than any other one I can think of.

You really, realy should work on the Organizing job today. We don't have a chance without you, really. Are you 3x?

[Passacaglia]

Haha, hilarious--what the hell's that supposed to mean? Just because I'm doing something I think will eventually help us out even if it isn't apparent now doesn't make me a sympathizer. But since the squeaky wheel needs the grease and as a show of good faith, I'll reveal (even though I've been hinting at it these last few posts).

unvote mission
go to food distribution

Hope I don't need a gun or anything for any future hunting expeditions. If so, I'll just use my bare hands. :p

If you seriously think I'm a weak link in any of these games, please feel free to vote me out and remove me, and I'll be more than happy to not participate any further.

Seriously? Not too welcome? If I recall, you've played werewolf on other forums, right? Suspicions and accusations get thrown around all over the place, and if anyone being critical of your actions is going to make you feel unwelcome, you're going to have a bumpy ride. FTR, this is the exact same conversation that was had with PurdueBrad, so it's not like anyone is singling you out. Anyway, you're definitely welcome here -- I've always felt the more, the merrier, plus, you can't go wrong with a Michigan guy.

Anyway, I wasn't even referring to your action when I was talking about TheNorming -- I was referring to earleir, when you were in the thread for a while, then left without letting us know if you were an organizer. Plus it was just a joke on the whole "Lathuming" thing...which was an inside joke that started the game before you started here, so I apologize for the un-inclusive joke there.

And again FTR, no one ever said you were a weak link.

[The Jackal]

IIRC it is because they are Searchers

That's the reason. And yes I've been considering helping on work, but if it's not an agreement between the three of us, that's dangerous.

[The Jackal]

And again FTR, no one ever said you were a weak link.

For real, you and hoops won Athens on your own. Look what us screwups did in Sparta with three of us. ;)

[TheNorm]

Sorry, just frustration boiling over--no offense meant to anyone. I think winning the camp is great and all, but my feeling also tells me something on this mission is bound to help make my role a bit more useful too--especially in the coming days. That's why I'm adamant on going on this mission, and if that somehow paints me as suspicious then so be it.

But for now I'll go with the greater good and go with where I'm apparently needed.

[TheNorm]

Anyway, I wasn't even referring to your action when I was talking about TheNorming -- I was referring to earleir, when you were in the thread for a while, then left without letting us know if you were an organizer. Plus it was just a joke on the whole "Lathuming" thing...which was an inside joke that started the game before you started here, so I apologize for the un-inclusive joke there.

And again FTR, no one ever said you were a weak link.

It's all good; like I mentioned in my previous post just frustration boiling over. I guess I just provided the Abe moment (like last game) for this game. Moving on...

[Danny]

Ok, so all three that are going on mission or searchers. That means it's probably fairly likely that no more than 1 would be a wolf, right? Then again, it might be completely random and they could all be wolves. Still, that's unlikely

[claphamsa]

Sorry, just frustration boiling over--no offense meant to anyone. I think winning the camp is great and all, but my feeling also tells me something on this mission is bound to help make my role a bit more useful too--especially in the coming days. That's why I'm adamant on going on this mission, and if that somehow paints me as suspicious then so be it.

But for now I'll go with the greater good and go with where I'm apparently needed.


if you call that a blow up, you need to reset your drama meeter, and go read Lathums greatest works :)

[The Jackal]

Ok, so all three that are going on mission or searchers. That means it's probably fairly likely that no more than 1 would be a wolf, right? Then again, it might be completely random and they could all be wolves. Still, that's unlikely

Yeah and this is why I'm hesitant to move off of it. There needs to be competition for items. I mean, hopefully we're all good, but with neither of them speaking all day, it's a tough choice.

[Autumn]

Sorry, just frustration boiling over--no offense meant to anyone. I think winning the camp is great and all, but my feeling also tells me something on this mission is bound to help make my role a bit more useful too--especially in the coming days. That's why I'm adamant on going on this mission, and if that somehow paints me as suspicious then so be it.

But for now I'll go with the greater good and go with where I'm apparently needed.

I can see what you're thinking. I have the same skill write up as you, though it didn't occur to me to think about it the way you did. In that sense it may have been wiser to send the three hunters on the mission. But at the moment we're likely to fail at Food Distribution unless we get another person or two on there.

[EagleFan]

if you call that a blow up, you need to reset your drama meeter, and go read Lathums greatest works :)

or maybe RendeR... ;)

[Passacaglia]

Quiet almost-deadline.

[Autumn]

Looks like we're not going to get anyone else switched over, which is unfortunate. I hope those items are worth it, and fall in the right hands.

[Schmidty]

Work Organizing

[Danny]

Work Organizing

Glad that wasn't a go on mission post :p

[Schmidty]

I have to admit that I have not paid nearly enough attention to this game. I shouldn't have signed up. I don't even understand what actions I can take. I have like 2 seconds at a time right now to be at the computer, and that's more than I've had the last two days - zero.

[Passacaglia]

Glad that wasn't a go on mission post :p

Seriously. Although, I can't help but think it would be hilarious if like five people suddenly unvoted their camp work, and went on the mission instead.

[Danny]

I have to admit that I have not paid nearly enough attention to this game. I shouldn't have signed up. I don't even understand what actions I can take. I have like 2 seconds at a time right now to be at the computer, and that's more than I've had the last two days - zero.

The action you took was the correct one and you're not set for the day, so don't worry about it

[Schmidty]

And I'm in a Death Draft in the GD which takes even more of my time.

[Passacaglia]

I have to admit that I have not paid nearly enough attention to this game. I shouldn't have signed up. I don't even understand what actions I can take. I have like 2 seconds at a time right now to be at the computer, and that's more than I've had the last two days - zero.

Don't worry, you didn't even need to do the organizing action until the night deadline -- so you've got time to catch up.

[Schmidty]

Don't worry, you didn't even need to do the organizing action until the night deadline -- so you've got time to catch up.

Catching up will be hard today, what with 7-8 pages to read, and almost no time to do it. I'm leaving myself in the thread, but I'm at the comp sporadically.

[Abe Sargent]

Allow me to start processing who is on teh mission

[Abe Sargent]

I have Poli, RedeR and Jackal is that correct?

[The Jackal]

I have Poli, RedeR and Jackal is that correct?

Yep.

[Danny]

Catching up will be hard today, what with 7-8 pages to read, and almost no time to do it. I'm leaving myself in the thread, but I'm at the comp sporadically.

I spent time catching up, wasn't really worth it ;)

[claphamsa]

And I'm in a Death Draft in the GD which takes even more of my time.
whats a death draft??

[Danny]

whats a death draft??

You make a bad pick, you die!

[Abe Sargent]

A trio of you come back from a successful journey to the depot and the old railroad warehouse.

[The Jackal]

Well guys, I found myself a weapon. Doesn't look like it's class-specific, so I'm going to hang on to it unless we have a cleared role in danger.

[The Jackal]

Will be interesting to hear what Poli and RendeR found.

[Autumn]

Is it a gun, Jackal? That will be useful to one of the hunters with the right mission.

[The Jackal]

Is it a gun, Jackal? That will be useful to one of the hunters with the right mission.

Nope.

[Danny]

While you guys were off gallivanting i found a boogie.

[The Jackal]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3) (6/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz, dubb, Autumn, TheNorm, Danny (x3) (15/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3), Schmidty (?) (5/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal

idle - Pass, DT

Did Schmidty say if he was x3 or anything?

[Abe Sargent]

ATTENTION PLEASE.

The Sheriff of Boone County has arrived and presents an arrest warrant for EagleFan for arson!

He protests his innocence but to no avail. EagleFan has been arrested!

[Passacaglia]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3) (6/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, EF (x3), PB, heinz, dubb, Autumn, TheNorm, Danny (x3) (15/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3), Schmidty (?) (5/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal

idle - Pass, DT

Did Schmidty say if he was x3 or anything?

He said he was skilled at organizing. I don't think he said he was x3, but I think we can assume it (hi clap!)

[The Jackal]

well that's no good

[Danny]

ATTENTION PLEASE.

The Sheriff of Boone County has arrived and presents an arrest warrant for EagleFan for arson!

He protests his innocence but to no avail. EagleFan has been arrested!


Is he removed from the game? Do we find out his allegiance?

[Abe Sargent]

Is he removed from the game? Do we find out his allegiance?

He has been arrested. He's not dead or anything. Perhaps he'll be back! Perhaps not...

[Passacaglia]

9. EagleFan - ARRESTED DAY TWO


Hmm. Good questions, Danny -- the first page post doesn't help us much.

[Abe Sargent]

Obviously, since he is not here, he will be unable to work, whether he comes back or not

[The Jackal]

patrol - CR (x3), USFL (x3) (6/6)
food distribution - Lathum (x3), BK, PB, heinz, dubb, Autumn, TheNorm, Danny (x3) (12/15)
organization - clap, ntn (x3), Schmidty (?) (7/8)

mission - Poli, RendeR, Jackal

idle - Pass, DT

arrested - EF

thats trouble

[Danny]

Obviously, since he is not here, he will be unable to work, whether he comes back or not

Wow, so we're screwed now for the conversion.

[TheNorm]

Wait, what? Now there's a new twist I haven't seen before...

[Danny]

I'm assuming a wolf caused EF to get arrested. And it either means one of two things.

1. He is a wolf and arrested himself so that he did not have to fake work in order to stop the mission

2. The wolves just chose one of the three specializations to stop us from accomplishing our goal. This leads me to believe the wolves may have took advantage of going on the mission.

[claphamsa]

Wait, what? Now there's a new twist I haven't seen before...
this isnt even a complicated game, they get insane here :)

[Passacaglia]

Hmm. Does anyone have a skill that they think MIGHT help out in another area? Even though I didn't agree with his view of our skill, Autumn thought we might be x2 at patrolling. Does anyone see anything like that in their skill that might just be able to work in another area? It's grasping at straws, but it's the best thing I see that we can do at the moment.

[Abe Sargent]

this isnt even a complicated game, they get insane here :)

Perhaps we should not suggest he read the Marvel Game 2.0;)

[Abe Sargent]

By 1903 - WV is the 3rd largest producer of coal in the nation. Until 1912, its production will increase 6 times, massively outstripping the rest of the eastern US. During this time, the number of miners will increase 165% while the population only increases 27%, so miners are rarely piped in except for strike breaking.

[Autumn]

Well, we've found out a new ability. I don't know how we could get him out (though maybe that will be a mission?) or what we could do to prevent such a thing.

But we don't stand a chance now at the camps, right? I think we had one extra, but not three.

[Danny]

Well, we've found out a new ability. I don't know how we could get him out (though maybe that will be a mission?) or what we could do to prevent such a thing.

But we don't stand a chance now at the camps, right? I think we had one extra, but not three.

And the wolves likely arranged it so we would not have enough extra.

[Passacaglia]

Well, we've found out a new ability. I don't know how we could get him out (though maybe that will be a mission?) or what we could do to prevent such a thing.

But we don't stand a chance now at the camps, right? I think we had one extra, but not three.

I'm still holding out hope. There has to be some way around this.

[Lathum]

I certainly hope CR is legit, because then it would confirm I am too.

still catching up but this is insanely far from the truth.

if I was a wolf in your position I do the work so I can gain trust. A positive outcome tonight does nothing to elevate you or CR one bit.

[TheNorm]

And the wolves likely arranged it so we would not have enough extra.

Well crap. If the sympathizers/coal owners have ways to get us both during the day and at night (and historically as we've been shown here so far by Abe, they've got many ways), we've got a huge fight ahead of us.

[Autumn]

With that arrest coming in the day, I kind of wonder if a Sympathizer could have faked going on the mission and performed a Day Action instead?

[jeheinz72]

Could be Autumn...

[jeheinz72]

and by could be, I mean you could be right.

[Danny]

With that arrest coming in the day, I kind of wonder if a Sympathizer could have faked going on the mission and performed a Day Action instead?

Or EF just arrested himself. I would not throw that out as a possibility.

[USFLTecmo]

still catching up but this is insanely far from the truth.

if I was a wolf in your position I do the work so I can gain trust. A positive outcome tonight does nothing to elevate you or CR one bit.

I keep forgetting that they can choose to work or fake. I always keep assuming they fake it.

[PurdueBrad]

Well guys, I found myself a weapon. Doesn't look like it's class-specific, so I'm going to hang on to it unless we have a cleared role in danger.

Is it a microphone or a bullhorn? I'm an orator and I could use could be my class-specific weapons. ;)

Ooooh, ooooh, is it words? Cause words can hurt sometimes too. :p

[Passacaglia]

Are we just punting on the camps? I know that figuring out who's behind this is sexier, but that's for tomorrow. The camp needs to get figured today. I'm heading home in a few minutes -- maybe the car ride will give me some better ideas.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm also kind of ticked I got talked out of the mission now. I'm wondering if the wolves were trying to keep more of us from the mission as well, meaning they beat us twice today, not just once.

[Danny]

I'm not a math major, but we only have 27 units of work available and 28 that are needed. Unless someone reveals some new information about being able to do more work, there is nothing we can do.

[Passacaglia]

I'm not a math major, but we only have 27 units of work available and 28 that are needed. Unless someone reveals some new information about being able to do more work, there is nothing we can do.

You're right -- I'm just annoyed, and thinking there has to be some loophole somewhere. :p Make that very annoyed.

[Danny]

I'm also kind of ticked I got talked out of the mission now. I'm wondering if the wolves were trying to keep more of us from the mission as well, meaning they beat us twice today, not just once.

That's tricky because it clearly benefited us to complete the work and we had no way of knowing the wolves had this ability. I'm more inclined to think those that completely dismissed my idea of all going on the mission or made an early push one way or the other are more suspicious. Once we made the play to try and do the work, it's a villager play to expect others to go along so we can finish.

[Autumn]

It seems likely they have some limit on what they can do during the day. I'd like to think they at least have to fake an action in order to take an action, but I suppose we don't know that.

[Danny]

You're right -- I'm just annoyed, and thinking there has to be some loophole somewhere. :p Make that very annoyed.

I know, looking back, I wish we had all gone on the mission. It may be early, but my vote is most likely going Barkeep tomorrow.