Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS)

[Telle]

Could Pass have some sort of ability that allowed him to escape? It didn't sound like it was done by the wolves.

[KWhit]

Yeah the math on that is tricky. I'm having a little trouble putting it together. But, according to my calculations, there's only a 4% chance that we learn 0 people's auras by Day 5. But remember just because we learn an aura doesn't find us a wolf. Randomly picking someone to lynch is going to produce better results until we've got a fairly long timetable.

I disagree since we're likely to kill a villager by lynching (just based on numbers). At least by jailing, we won't lose any of the good guys and we'll be establishing a COT.

[Danny]

If Pass isn't lynched or put back in, I am tempted to change the vote to him.

I'd be fine with you changing this vote. I wouldn't rule out changing it to a lynch either.

[Barkeep49]

BK, considering changing your lynch candidate based on clap dropping out?
Sure. Give me someone else who is viable. Frankly I think clap is equally likely to drop out here as wolf or villager. I think we've made the mistake before of assuming a wolf wouldn't drop out.

[Tyrith]

I disagree since we're likely to kill a villager by lynching (just based on numbers). At least by jailing, we won't lose any of the good guys and we'll be establishing a COT.

We MIGHT be establishing a COT. Not that I disagree with the jail plan.

[Barkeep49]

I disagree since we're likely to kill a villager by lynching (just based on numbers). At least by jailing, we won't lose any of the good guys and we'll be establishing a COT.
We are lsoing good guys though through the nightly kill.

[Tyrith]

Sure. Give me someone else who is viable. Frankly I think clap is equally likely to drop out here as wolf or villager. I think we've made the mistake before of assuming a wolf wouldn't drop out.

No, but it means we have zero evidence at this point.

[Lathum]

I disagree since we're likely to kill a villager by lynching (just based on numbers). At least by jailing, we won't lose any of the good guys and we'll be establishing a COT.

I just don't see your point here. With only a 20% chance to hit it will take forever to establish a COT.

[KWhit]

We are lsoing good guys though through the nightly kill.

Yeah, I know. But you know what I was referring to (at least we are cannibalizing ourselves).

But, given that jailed people can be broken free willy-nilly changes a lot.

I almost think we should lynch Schmidty tonight, but doubt we have time to do so.

[Schmidty]

I'd be fine with you changing this vote. I wouldn't rule out changing it to a lynch either.

Oh, it would be a lynch.

[Lathum]

I would be willing to lynch KWhit based on what I perceive as him selling faulty logic that he should no bettert hen

[Telle]

I'm not fond of voting Pass until we have a chance to hear from him about his breakout. I wouldn't mind moving off of Abe, but there's not currently another jail candidate other than myself and Pass.

[Barkeep49]

OK as I actually do this out the math is looking better for finding an aura of 1 person. It actually looks that assuming we have 2 people in jail it's nearly 50/50 that we find out one of them on Night 3. HOWEVER that doesn't reflect the fact that the overhwelming odds are that we find a villager.

[Tyrith]

I think we deal with Schmidty tomorrow. He's probably going to do whatever he wants today anyway.

[Danny]

Yeah, I know. But you know what I was referring to (at least we are cannibalizing ourselves).

But, given that jailed people can be broken free willy-nilly changes a lot.

I almost think we should lynch Schmidty tonight, but doubt we have time to do so.

No point in lynching Schmidty yet as there is no one trusted to replace him with.

[Lathum]

can I vote to jail and lynch?

[Lathum]

Lynch KWhit

[KWhit]

I just don't see your point here. With only a 20% chance to hit it will take forever to establish a COT.

Well, depends on what you mean by forever, but with more people in the jail, the numbers move in our favor pretty quickly since it's 20% for each person. If we were to get 2-3 people in there and keep moving them in, we could be looking at at a handful of identifications happening.

But then there's the problem of them randomly escaping like Pass.

Sigh.

[Barkeep49]

I would be willing to lynch KWhit based on what I perceive as him selling faulty logic that he should no bettert hen
What's the faulty logic? With me it's just been not understanding probability.

[Autumn]

<b>unvote jail Abe (clap)
vote jail passacaglia</b>

I want ot get this in while I'm tring to catch up on these shenanigans.

[dubb93]

Lynch KWhit

This vote is not valid.

[Schmidty]

I think we deal with Schmidty tomorrow. He's probably going to do whatever he wants today anyway.

Maybe I will, Tyrith.

[Schmidty]

I don't like your threatening suggestion one bit, btw.

[KWhit]

I would be willing to lynch KWhit based on what I perceive as him selling faulty logic that he should no bettert hen

Huh? Actually my logic is perfectly sound (with the caveat that there's nothing in the rules to suggest that Pass could just escape when he did).

And my understanding of probability is fine too.

[Schmidty]

Are you oushing me to lynch Pass, Tyrith?

[dubb93]

Day 2 Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 6 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
Pass Jail - 2 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)


Yet to Vote: Pass, Render

[Tyrith]

I don't like your threatening suggestion one bit, btw.

Deal with doesn't mean lynch. Deal with means figure out what to do with. This is nothing we haven't said before. KWhit wants you dead now, as an alternative.

[Tyrith]

Are you oushing me to lynch Pass, Tyrith?

I'd rather not - this seems like something that needs to be talked about. But I really don't like putting Abe in jail; this whole clap thing was just a mess.

[Schmidty]

Sorry Tyrith, but my radar is going off.

[Lathum]

Well, depends on what you mean by forever, but with more people in the jail, the numbers move in our favor pretty quickly since it's 20% for each person. If we were to get 2-3 people in there and keep moving them in, we could be looking at at a handful of identifications happening.

But then there's the problem of them randomly escaping like Pass.

Sigh.

but you aren't factoring in the time it takes to get 3 people in jail! and even then, it is 3 20% chances to hit!

Do you play poker?

How many times have you had 44 and your opponent had AA, thats the odds we have here of the king hitting.

[Telle]

Day 2 Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 6 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
Pass Jail - 2 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)


Yet to Vote: Pass, Render

That's 5 for Abe/Clab Jail, not 6

[Lathum]

This vote is not valid.

can you at least tell me why?

[RendeR]

Vote Jail PASSACAGLIA

[Telle]

can you at least tell me why?

Probably because you didn't unvote Barkeep jail.

[RendeR]

had to get that in, not sure it as gonna make a difference though, I'm fine with the abe vote working.

[KWhit]

I would be willing to lynch KWhit based on what I perceive as him selling faulty logic that he should no bettert hen

Expand on this, as I think I have been completely logical and striving to do what was clearly best for the village (based on what we knew of the rules).

[Autumn]

no, never mind

<b>unvote pass for jail
vote abe (clap) to jail<b>

[Danny]

Pass was freed and didn't even bother being here for it. The whole thing seems odd. I'm still not sure what to make of it.

[Danny]

no, never mind

<b>unvote pass for jail
vote abe (clap) to jail<b>

Two minutes too late :p

[Autumn]

I'm not sure what the heck is going on, but I guess it's possible clap flaked out and the wolves told him to get in here and get out of the lynch. Best to have him in jail (abe) and see.

[Danny]

The amount of people here with no movement bodes well for this being villager/villager.

[KWhit]

but you aren't factoring in the time it takes to get 3 people in jail! and even then, it is 3 20% chances to hit!

Do you play poker?

How many times have you had 44 and your opponent had AA, thats the odds we have here of the king hitting.

But if you have 3 people with that hand, the odds are that one of them will beat AA.

And early on in the game we're more likely to be lynching villagers than we are wolves.

[Lathum]

Expand on this, as I think I have been completely logical and striving to do what was clearly best for the village (based on what we knew of the rules).

you keep harping on building a CoT by sending people to jail, I am saying that will take way to long, not sure why you don't get that

[dubb93]

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)


Did Not Vote: Pass

[Tyrith]

The amount of people here with no movement bodes well for this being villager/villager.

One side is clap. The other side is who, pass?

[Autumn]

damn. I've been here all day and it was like a ghost town, then you guys posted like three pages while I talked to my wife, sheesh.

[Lathum]

But if you have 3 people with that hand, the odds are that one of them will beat AA.

And early on in the game we're more likely to be lynching villagers than we are wolves.

I get that, but it will be day 4 by the time we get to that point. And then what, maybe 1 person is cleared?

[Danny]

you keep harping on building a CoT by sending people to jail, I am saying that will take way to long, not sure why you don't get that

It will definitely take far too long while the wolves pick us out with their night kills. The jail needs to be an extra bonus we can use and maybe get lucky on, but lynch needs to be the foundation for our play.

[Danny]

One side is clap. The other side is who, pass?

Barkeep, I don't know what to make of Pass yet.

[Danny]

BTW, if it was any other player who said the things Clap said, he would have had 10 lynch votes.

[KWhit]

you keep harping on building a CoT by sending people to jail, I am saying that will take way to long, not sure why you don't get that

Harping on it?

That is one of the benefits. There are others. Like getting extra "free" seer scans from someone who can communicate their scan to us without fear of reprisal. And potentially outing wolves. And getting the chance to realize our blunder if we votes for a villager and get him/her back in the game to help our numbers, instead of just lynching a villager and losing them for good.

[KWhit]

I get that, but it will be day 4 by the time we get to that point. And then what, maybe 1 person is cleared?

But there's not really much downside. The people in jail are still removed from the game and if wolves can't do us harm. We just find out that they're wolves later.

If a villager is lynched, we gain nothing. If a villager is jailed, in 2-3 days or so we learn who they are and can put them back in the game. That helps our numbers and not only that, but we know they are a villager - starting a COT.

[lerriuqs]

As the Woebegone Prison guards make their last rounds before night fall they discover the cell door to Passacaglia’s cell is wide open. After a search of the grounds Pass is nowhere to be found. Evidence collected suggests Pass is in fact alive and not dead. The evidence also suggests Pass’s escape was an inside job.


WTF?

[Autumn]

Well, we certainly need to piece together what happened with Pass. Unless someone comes forward with something believable it seems we have to assume the wolves released him.

WAs there a clue in his newspaper report perhaps? He said a lot about what was in there that I was wondering if it was supposed to be significant.

I hate that the clap replacement happened at the last minute. I would have liked to have thought about it. Can he be scanned in jail? I think so. If we decide that Abe/Clap is bad should we let him sit there or off him?

[Lathum]

But there's not really much downside. The people in jail are still removed from the game and if wolves can't do us harm. We just find out that they're wolves later.

If a villager is lynched, we gain nothing. If a villager is jailed, in 2-3 days or so we learn who they are and can put them back in the game. That helps our numbers and not only that, but we know they are a villager - starting a COT.

you are so wrong. We get history needed to make educated lynch decisions

[KWhit]

You keep talking about how long it takes. But we're still playing WW. There are still things that people will say and do that give us information. Nothing changes there (except our voting record is delayed). We will still be able to make our judgements about allegiences and voting patterns, but we get the benefit of 'saving' villagers that would otherwise be lynched and out of the game.

[RendeR]

you are so wrong. We get history needed to make educated lynch decisions

Normally that would be wroth chancing losing 2 villagers a night, but with the jailing mechanic we don't HAVE to take that chance. If you can't see that this outweighs the presumed time loss then I guess we'll jsut have to disagree.

[KWhit]

you are so wrong. We get history needed to make educated lynch decisions

You're determined to play this like a standard WW game. It's not. The jail mechanic changes it considerably.

[USFLTecmo]

We've found that we can't rely on the jailing mechanic, though. I had no idea that someone could be released by anyone other than a night action. Either I missed it in the rules, or it was unpublished, which would really upset me, because I have a hard enough time with strategy when I have the rules in front of me.

[Autumn]

I'm pretty sure it was unpublished, and that Dubb siad there would be some unpublished roles/abilities. Ill go check.

[RendeR]

We've found that we can't rely on the jailing mechanic, though. I had no idea that someone could be released by anyone other than a night action. Either I missed it in the rules, or it was unpublished, which would really upset me, because I have a hard enough time with strategy when I have the rules in front of me.



there really are only two reasons pass escaped.

Either The King released him or the Dark one sprung him.

So we need to take a good hard look at our liege.

[Danny]

there really are only two reasons pass escaped.

Either The King released him or the Dark one sprung him.

So we need to take a good hard look at our liege.

Problem is both are listed in the rules as night actions and this does not come as a night action.

[Schmidty]

Problem is both are listed in the rules as night actions and this does not come as a night action.

Bingo.

I can't just willy-nilly free people.

So bad assumption, Render.

[Autumn]

Well, we know hte king didn't, the rules say that has to be bolded in public for the king to release a prisoner.

So clearly this is an unpublished ability, probably of a dark one follower I would think.

[dubb93]

As dawn sets over Metou, King Schmidty rides out from the castle gates surrounded by his elite knights. As Schmidty reaches the edge of the forest he finds Tyrith. Schmidty, sword raised, bellows out “CHARGE!!!” Knights in full gallop swarm The Dark One. The Dark One uses magic to paralyze the knights and moves in to face Schmidty.

The battle is fierce; however Schmidty is no match for The Dark One and is claimed by his blade. The great King Schmidty has been slain. He was a vanilla villager prior to becoming King.

The knights, no longer stunned rise to once again face Tyrith or The Dark One as he is known. Knights surround The Dark One on all sides. The battle is fierce and The Dark One, drained by his prior magic use, is severely weakened. One of the knights finally lands the killing blow, a through and through of the abdomen. The Dark One falls to the ground dead. Tyrith was The Dark One. As the knights celebrate a flash of light explodes from The Dark One and an entity is seen leaving the body of Tyrith and heading straight into the kingdom of Metou.

1. Barkeep49
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe
5. MartinD
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. Passacaglia
8. Telle
9. The Jackal
10. Danny
11. Autumn
12. Lathum
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. Chief Rum
16. saldana
17. DaddyTorgo
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. KWhit
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

Night Actions for Night 2 are due by 10a est Wednesday

[Autumn]

From the rules:

"It can be assumed there will be other light aura/dark aura roles that do not carry an actual name with them. These roles could either be standard werewolf roles or roles unique to this game."

[Danny]

Schmidty you rock!!!

[USFLTecmo]

I have zero faith left in jailing, then.

[KWhit]

We've found that we can't rely on the jailing mechanic, though. I had no idea that someone could be released by anyone other than a night action. Either I missed it in the rules, or it was unpublished, which would really upset me, because I have a hard enough time with strategy when I have the rules in front of me.

That's true and is the one thing that throws off the strategy in my mind. Now I don't know what the best course of action is.

[Autumn]

W

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[RendeR]

Problem is both are listed in the rules as night actions and this does not come as a night action.


I find this....annoying, but you are indeed correct as I reread the roles.


well fuck then, if we don't know what to trust we're pretty screwed.

[Schmidty]

WOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[Autumn]

Okay, I don't understand this game at all. How did any of htat happen, during the day, with no public notice at all??????

[USFLTecmo]

Of course, I post that just as we find the Dark One defeated. Great. More thinking to do now.

[KWhit]

Wow. That was a pleasant surprise. Did anybody have any reason to suspect Tyrith?

[Autumn]

Wait, so he duked? And just guessed really right? But died 'cause DO is a brutal?

I guess it's starting to make sense. This is the third game in a row I think that we've had a MIRACULOUS duke move.

[Tyrith]

Schmidty, you sir don't get to talk anymore.

[lerriuqs]

Wow...I have no idea what to make of what's going on but great work Schmidty

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, you sir don't get to talk anymore.

Sorry. :(

[Lathum]

Wow...I have no idea what to make of what's going on but great work Schmidty

I actually think it was a horrible move.

Did we get lucky, yes. But alot more things can go bad then good by making that move.

[Autumn]

I did, KWhit, he was pinging me in discussion today, I'll have to look and see what it was he said. He was arguing with me about something and so I wasn't sure if it was just because he was arguing with me that he was pinging me.

[KWhit]

Good job Schmidty.

At first glance, I think it important to note that Tyrith was trying to steer today's vote away from clap/abe near the deadline.

Let me pull up some posts.

[Danny]

I actually think it was a horrible move.

Did we get lucky, yes. But alot more things can go bad then good by making that move.

Actually it was a solid move, I think it unlikely both jail candidates were bad and I had a similar read of Tyrith towards the deadline that Schmidty did.

[Autumn]

THanks KWhit, I want to do that too.

The wolves must be crying their eyes out right now, that's amazing.

So we vote for King tomorrow I presume.

[Danny]

We also have some voting record to go on now.

[Chief Rum]

Holy Cow! Way to go, Schmidty!

I feel like serenading you with A Candle In The Wind, re-done in your honor.

[Lathum]

Actually it was a solid move, I think it unlikely both jail candidates were bad and I had a similar read of Tyrith towards the deadline that Schmidty did.

The odds on him hitting a villager with a roll are just as good if not better then hitting a wolf.

Like I said, stupid move that got lucky.

[Telle]

Wow

[Chief Rum]

Wait, so he duked? And just guessed really right? But died 'cause DO is a brutal?

I guess it's starting to make sense. This is the third game in a row I think that we've had a MIRACULOUS duke move.

Does this count mine? Because mine wasn't miraculous, it was just freakin' brilliant. :D

(Not like this, though, damn, Schmidty, can't wait to talk to you after the game to see what you saw)

[RendeR]

Wow, I mean, great result, but what the hell did you all see in Tyrith that would hint at his being teh dark one? I didn't see anything other than his continued arguing that was abnormal for him and its WW, everyone argues.

So, we need a new King tomorrow, and Dark one is dead. While all done by sheer dumb luck I have to think we're sitting pretty right now.

[Chief Rum]

I did, KWhit, he was pinging me in discussion today, I'll have to look and see what it was he said. He was arguing with me about something and so I wasn't sure if it was just because he was arguing with me that he was pinging me.

He was part of that back and forth you, I and he were having about the merits of jailing and lynching, just before KWhit got in it, I believe.

[KWhit]

A bunch of Tyrith posts made within an hour of lynch after clap sort of went crazy. And don't forget that we had the run on clap partially because he said he was told to come here and not get lynched.


In light of new events - I think this was clap being clap and not clap being a wolf.

Does anyone really think Abe/clap is bad at this point?

Well, no one is saying anything and we're just sitting on the fact that the person about to go to jail is mostly going to jail because the player they succeeded seemed to be on some kind of tilt today.

Honestly, I think the vote should be just about anything other than what it is at this point.

I'd rather not - this seems like something that needs to be talked about. But I really don't like putting Abe in jail; this whole clap thing was just a mess.

[Autumn]

Holy Cow! Way to go, Schmidty!

I feel like serenading you with A Candle In The Wind, re-done in your honor.

this has me laughing very loud

[Autumn]

Does this count mine? Because mine wasn't miraculous, it was just freakin' brilliant. :D

(Not like this, though, damn, Schmidty, can't wait to talk to you after the game to see what you saw)

Yes, you, and I forget who it was did the other one. Just the last few games. All the games i've been in lately have been filled with horrible villager voting and great BG/Duke moves.

oh maybe I'm thinking of that totally random block someone had same game as you duked.

[Danny]

He also seemed to be slightly nudging or reinforcing Schmidty using his duke ability, likely on Pass or Kwhit he had to be thinking.

[Autumn]

The odds on him hitting a villager with a roll are just as good if not better then hitting a wolf.

Like I said, stupid move that got lucky.

i don't care how stupid it is, he just took out a gigantic threat, I mean the DO was at least 50% of the bad guy's danger to us. Amazing chance for us.

[lerriuqs]

As the knights celebrate a flash of light explodes from The Dark One and an entity is seen leaving the body of Tyrith and heading straight in the kingdom of Metou.


Something to keep an eye on...Given the game, I have no idea if it means anything...but from the Game rules...

The Dark One - The Dark One is also said to have other, more sinister powers at his disposal.

There will be other followers in service of The Dark One.

[Danny]

Dubb, can you answer this, can the dark one leave a body and go to another or now that he is gone, he is gone?

[Lathum]

i don't care how stupid it is, he just took out a gigantic threat, I mean the DO was at least 50% of the bad guy's danger to us. Amazing chance for us.

yeah, I get it.

And if he had hit the seer or BG we would be killing him saying it was to early to make that move.

Just because you call someones all in with A 10 and they have AA and you suck out it doesn't make it a good move.

[Chief Rum]

Heck, yeah, taking out the DO, that is absolutely huge.

You know who else is pissed? dubb! He probably feels the way I felt when Lathum bought it as Jack the Ripper on Day Two of my first game. I was like WTH!!!

[RendeR]

Ok lets get focused back on "How the fuck did Pass escape??"

[Autumn]

I mean, given all my choices here, this is about how I'd rank them -

USFL jail
clap lynch
USFL lynch
BK jail

I would really prefer to leave BK alone at this point, when we deal with Schmidty we'll deal with BK. USFL is the aforementioned argument, and keeping people alive seems to be in the village's favor at this point. clap, on the other hand, seems like he's going to be loose this game regardless, so I don't really care to keep him alive. I'd rather have the vote record.

BTW, we're likely going to have day 1 version 3 tomorrow unless something interesting happens, and we need to keep that in mind.

Tyrith had pegged me early when he added USFL to the vote list instead of following me on Sndvl. He did on many cases discourage voting for clap, although here he encourages it somewhat.

[The Jackal]

Wow

+1

[Autumn]

Heck, yeah, taking out the DO, that is absolutely huge.

You know who else is pissed? dubb! He probably feels the way I felt when Lathum bought it as Jack the Ripper on Day Two of my first game. I was like WTH!!!

Yeah, totally. He's looking at the DO's long list of powers and silently weeping.

Unless the DO gets to take over somebody else in which case oh crap.

[Autumn]

Ok lets get focused back on "How the fuck did Pass escape??"

I think it must clearly be a special unlisted ability, either of Pass's or someone else. Frankly I think unless somebody confesses we have to assume it's a wolf move.

I would think pass would have shown up if he had known it was going to happen, so probably a third party.

[lerriuqs]

Ok lets get focused back on "How the fuck did Pass escape??"

Based on the rules and the note that it was an inside job...It's not clear at this point.

Players in jail DO NOT count towards victory conditions and are considered dead until they are either released from jail, broken out of jail, or executed.

[Lathum]

I would think pass would have shown up if he had known it was going to happen, so probably a third party.

I think this is prescicely why he doesn't show

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, I think it's a third party. In fact, my guess, is given the timing, that the wolves (maybe Tyrith the DO himself) had this one time power to free a prisoner at any time (day or night), and they had a wolf on the hook with clap. So they decided to try to get Schmidty to duke to pass by "releasing" him early. And if it didn't work, well, clap was on his way to jail, not a lynch.

Probably a low risk move at that point that backfired when Schmidty pulled the Duke Move of All Time out of his arse. Trytih obviously tripped a suspicion here or there, but let's face it, he was nowhere near anyone's list (other than Schmidty, I guess) for being The Guy.

[Chief Rum]

Is there any evil role/role with evil leanings that could be considered to have an "in" at the royal court?

[Autumn]

Yeah, I think it's a third party. In fact, my guess, is given the timing, that the wolves (maybe Tyrith the DO himself) had this one time power to free a prisoner at any time (day or night), and they had a wolf on the hook with clap. So they decided to try to get Schmidty to duke to pass by "releasing" him early. And if it didn't work, well, clap was on his way to jail, not a lynch.

That seems like a pretty good theory.

[Danny]

Yeah, I think it's a third party. In fact, my guess, is given the timing, that the wolves (maybe Tyrith the DO himself) had this one time power to free a prisoner at any time (day or night), and they had a wolf on the hook with clap. So they decided to try to get Schmidty to duke to pass by "releasing" him early. And if it didn't work, well, clap was on his way to jail, not a lynch.

Probably a low risk move at that point that backfired when Schmidty pulled the Duke Move of All Time out of his arse. Trytih obviously tripped a suspicion here or there, but let's face it, he was nowhere near anyone's list (other than Schmidty, I guess) for being The Guy.

I found the timing of the Pass release interesting as well. I think it's quite possible this was done by the wolves in hopes to draw suspicion off of Clap and haev Pass duked or lynched at that point.

[Lathum]

Yeah, I think it's a third party. In fact, my guess, is given the timing, that the wolves (maybe Tyrith the DO himself) had this one time power to free a prisoner at any time (day or night), and they had a wolf on the hook with clap. So they decided to try to get Schmidty to duke to pass by "releasing" him early. And if it didn't work, well, clap was on his way to jail, not a lynch.

Probably a low risk move at that point that backfired when Schmidty pulled the Duke Move of All Time out of his arse. Trytih obviously tripped a suspicion here or there, but let's face it, he was nowhere near anyone's list (other than Schmidty, I guess) for being The Guy.

So you are saying not only were we lucky enough to have Schmidty nail Tyrith, but also have clap on the hook as a wolf?

[Autumn]

I guess I will wait 'til morning to discuss things further. We've got a lot to work with tomorrow though.

[Lathum]

Is it possible Pass is a wolf and didn't want to risk 2 scans in a row?

[Passacaglia]

Hi, everybody!!!

[RendeR]

Hi, everybody!!!



explain yourself.

[Chief Rum]

So you are saying not only were we lucky enough to have Schmidty nail Tyrith, but also have clap on the hook as a wolf?

Well, let's face it, if clap is a wolf, it's not like we had to hook him. We were just hanging out on the pier and he jumped out of the water and right into the fish bucket. ;)

Really, I still don't know what the deal is with clap. But there is some compelling circumstantial evidence here. clap's odd behavior (such as his Render vote), the "told to come here" post, Tyrith seeming to work against jailing anyone, and clap in particular late, etc. There is also some logical evidence that the wolves would not like the jail strategy no matter who goes in, as it either finds a wolf or establishes a COT, even if that's done inefficiently (as BK will note).

[Passacaglia]

I just got in and am off to bed soon. There's a lot I want to say, but I want to wait for certain other people to say some stuff first. Sorry I can't be of more help -- although I will say that I didn't break myself out.

[path12]

I find it a little interesting that I posted four possible "quiet" targets and picked one myself, Sndvls. Then several people have come in and targeted USFL instead with no reasoning. Why start a new quiet target rather than capitalizing on the one with one vote already?

Catching up, but I picked him because I haven't played with him before and he's been quiet. SnDvls mentioned he had a schedule problem today and I know that he can have some valuable insights.

Not that USFL couldn't. I just don't know him as well. Nothing personal.

[Passacaglia]

explain yourself.

I explained everything in my letter -- didn't you guys read it in the paper?!?

[hoopsguy]

Probably a low risk move at that point that backfired when Schmidty pulled the Duke Move of All Time out of his arse.

I would suggest that someone needs to bone up on their WW history.

[Chief Rum]

I would suggest that someone needs to bone up on their WW history.

Heh...enlighten me. Unless you're talking about my Duke move, yeah, that was pretty bad ass. ;)

[path12]

I'm suspicious of anyone that's advocating a lynch rather than jail for anyone at this point.

Fair enough. I understand that point of those who argue jail. Funny thing though is that feel exactly the opposite, and believe I have a valid point as well.

[Autumn]

I explained everything in my letter -- didn't you guys read it in the paper?!?

I knew I should have read that paper more times.

I'm out for the night.

[Passacaglia]

I knew I should have read that paper more times.

I'm out for the night.

Me too. Night all.

[path12]

clap, do you have a like a stock set of suspicious posts you save up to just break out in the middle of the games? Like, hmm, I think I'll take Post "C" from my Wolfy Things To Say, Set IV?

LOL. Personally I love that clap always gets himself in hot water but just keeps on GIT'n R DUN. I find him one of the most enjoyable people around here.

[path12]

It's a small thing, but yesterday when I voted Barkeep I thought Pass was the leading vote getter. When I made the vote, Telle pointed out that Barkeep was in the lead. I asked her to post the vote count since she seemed to know. She posted it very quickly. She obviously had the vote count done and handy, but chose not to post it until I pointed it out. And it had been a long while since there was any vote count.

IIRC, Telle usually keeps good notes during a game. Way better than I do anyway.

[path12]

The knights, no longer stunned rise to once again face Tyrith or The Dark One as he is known. Knights surround The Dark One on all sides. The battle is fierce and The Dark One, drained by his prior magic use, is severely weakened. One of the knights finally lands the killing blow, a through and through of the abdomen. The Dark One falls to the ground dead. Tyrith was The Dark One. As the knights celebrate a flash of light explodes from The Dark One and an entity is seen leaving the body of Tyrith and heading straight into the kingdom of Metou.

Ho-ly crap. Well done Schmidty. Very well done.

[path12]

Ok lets get focused back on "How the fuck did Pass escape??"

I would really like to hear something from Pass on this.

[SnDvls]

caught up. (twins has a great dinner/day BTW)

Heck of a move Schmidty lucky or not.

I still like the jailing of people each night until a COT is established.

Yes I'm a "quiet" player and UTR. In just about every game I play. I see no sence in adding to the lost/forgotten posts with nonsence. If that puts a target on me so be it. I'm a big boy I can handle that.

I voted BK for jail again as I was suspect of him pushing for Schmidty for King as I would have been for someone pushing me hard. We both play a very similar style and both have West Coast schedules that make playing the game a bit harder for us. It appears I was wrong on one account at least (Schmidty) but I feel like BK has gained a little of my trust even if his "shot in the dark" of Schmidty for king was a good one as there is no way he could have known his role either.

one thing to really think about with the jailing, which I assume won't happen later in the game when a COT is made. Jailed villagers don't count in the final ratio count so we need to remember this as we move forward and our numbers get less and less

[Tyrith]

I would suggest that someone needs to bone up on their WW history.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure X-COM is always going to win that one. (Hopefully.)

[MartinD]

The Dark One falls to the ground dead. Tyrith was The Dark One. As the knights celebrate a flash of light explodes from The Dark One and an entity is seen leaving the body of Tyrith and heading straight into the kingdom of Metou.

My suspicion is that one of the other wolves will now take over as The Dark One (in other words, one of The Dark One's 'other powers' is an ability to take over someone else when he's killed). The details of how this work aren't clear, though - is this just a one-off thing? (would seem to be a really powerful ability if it's not), can the Dark One only take over one of his followers?

Before anyone says anything, I don't have any information on how this works - just throwing out a few possibilities for general speculation.

[DaddyTorgo]

what's up? i crashed on the sofa at like 10:40pm last night.

and i've got an important 10am mtg with MetLife so i'll be gone at that point too.

[Passacaglia]

what's up? i crashed on the sofa at like 10:40pm last night.


Everyone is pumped that I've been freed from jail.

[DaddyTorgo]

everyone is fucking confused about HOW you've been freed and would like more insight.

and i'm in the camp of "ballsy move schmidty but way to go!!"

Hey, if it works you got to give the guy props.

[Passacaglia]

Bad news, folks -- I've got a meeting that is scheduled to end at 10:45 Central. The good news is that this gives me time to see the day unfold little before I figure out what to do.

[RendeR]

Everyone is pumped that I've been freed from jail.


Yeah lets fess up with some info on this miraculous escape of yours before we throw you back in =)

[Lathum]

Hey, if it works you got to give the guy props.

I won't

It's a poor move that 75% of the time gets a villager killed and throws mass amounts of confusion into the game.

[Autumn]

Wow, I expected more talk overnight.

I will hold off until we see the night results and hear more about Pass's amazing escape.

[Lathum]

Any guesses as to who we should make king?

I think now that we know Schmidty is good we consider BK, I doubt as a wolf BK makes that early suggestion.

[Lathum]

oops, forgot night results aren't up yet. I woke up early today to study for my final.

[Danny]

I won't

It's a poor move that 75% of the time gets a villager killed and throws mass amounts of confusion into the game.

I think we are living in the time of the duke! From Schmidty here, Barkeep's duking of Pass and Chief's duking of Poli, the dukes have now hit three straight against the odds.

[saldana]

I won't

It's a poor move that 75% of the time gets a villager killed and throws mass amounts of confusion into the game.

dude. let it go. he took a risk..followed his gut...thats what this game is about probably 90% of the time....it paid off...enjoy that fact, and let the guy have his moment in the sun for christs sake.

[Danny]

Now the night deadline has passed, I will post some more in depth thoughts.

[Danny]

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

We don't have too many names to fill here, but it is worth noting that Tyrith stayed off of BK.

[Danny]

ay 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Tyrith stayed off of Clap here at the end and off of BK once again

[Lathum]

dude. let it go. he took a risk..followed his gut...thats what this game is about probably 90% of the time....it paid off...enjoy that fact, and let the guy have his moment in the sun for christs sake.

That's all fine and good, I just hope the next King doesn't go rogue without consulting us just for the sake of using their power before they get removed from office.

Like I said, had Tyrith come up villager we would be screaming for Schmidtys head today.

With everything the King does being so public I think we should have a say in the moves he makes that could adversely effect us.

All the credit to Schmidty for getting Tyrith, he deserves all the praise for making a nice gut read, but I''m not going to say it was a good move when the math says otherwise.

[Danny]

What I find really interesting as CR pointed out last night was Pass' release from jail. This followed with Tyrith moving his vote to try and put pass back in jail. I think there's a reasonable chance the wolves released Pass (a villager) to try and get the lynch vote off of Abe/Clap and possibly Barkeep as well. The whole way this went down with Tyrith then immediately jumping on Pass and encouraging Schmidty to duke is a strong piece of information we can use.

[Danny]

I see no reason not to lynch Abe today and test this theory out. BK may not be a poor choice as well. With the way everything went down I think it's highly likely there was a wolf in the top of the voting and possibly even two.

[dubb93]

As the night turns back into day the kingdom is abuzz with the news of yesterdays death of both the king and The Dark One. As you fetch your newspaper you know exactly what to expect as you read the headline and you are not let down as a picture of the deceased King Schmidty is on the front page as well as the body of the dark one. Also on the front page is a picture of Lord Righteous. The headline above the picture reads:

Fire claims Lord Righteous

The news of the death of Lord Righteous is shocking. You are even more surprised to learn that Danny was in fact Lord Righteous. As you open the newspaper you find an article written by Diffama Fabula:

Diffama here! Nothing to report today except for the wonderful slaying of the Dark One by King Schmidty.

LONG LIVE KING SCHMIDTY...LONG LIVE KING SCHMIDTY!

Through his actions he has earned a place in our pantheon of national heroes, that is for sure!

The town is abuzz wondering how Citizen Passacaglia broke out of jail - with Passacaglia referencing a letter included in last night's paper. I encourage everyone (including myself!) to read it carefully and see if there are clues. Cryptically, Passacaglia also was heard in public referring to "waiting for someone else to make a statement on the matter."

Citizens are worried still - wondering if the Dark One has managed to assume another form as a final act. Although I have no hard evidence, this seems to me like it would be sensible - otherwise he was extremely vulnerable.

You spend the next several hours reading the multiple stories on the life and times of King Schmidty.

Day 3 has begun. Today there will be a king election as well as a voting deadline.

King Election Deadline 7p EST Wednesday
Voting Deadline 11p EST Wednesday

1. Barkeep49
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe
5. MartinD
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. Passacaglia
8. Telle
9. The Jackal
10. <s>Danny</s> - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. Autumn
12. Lathum
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. Chief Rum
16. saldana
17. DaddyTorgo
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. KWhit
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

Lord Righteous - A 100% chance to block kill attempts done by The Dark One or any followers of The Dark One. Also has a 50% chance to learn the identity of any followers of The Dark One on a blocked night kill attempted by that person. Lord Righteous will not be able to ID The Dark One.

[Danny]

Damn, glad I got my posts in at least. Good luck guys!

[Lathum]

well that sucks

[Lathum]

just looking over Danny's role, I wonder if the power moves to someone else

At its peak the Order of Righteousness once boasted nearly 20 knights. Battles with The Dark One have reduced this number to just two. Lord Righteous dresses his knights in all white.

[Autumn]

That would be sweet, Lathum, 'cause this is a big blow to us. Presumably if his power did, the Dark One's would too so it would be a wash (or worse really).

[Autumn]

A lucky target by the wolves (at least lucky as far as i can see, I didn't see any clues to Danny's role). I think I agree with Danny's last comments. I don't see any reason not to lynch Abe today. Clap maybe let slip more than he should have but no reason not to use that to our advantage. I'll start the day off then and see where it takes us.

<b>VOTE ABE TO BE LYNCHED</b>

[DaddyTorgo]

Any guesses as to who we should make king?

I think now that we know Schmidty is good we consider BK, I doubt as a wolf BK makes that early suggestion.

you've been pushing for BK-King since the first moment of the game it seems. I'm very suspicious of you because of this - in fact, you're getting my vote today, whether for lynch or jail i haven't decided

[Lathum]

I think we need to hear from Pass before we jump to any conclusions but I definantly see the logic for lynching Abe

[Lathum]

you've been pushing for BK-King since the first moment of the game it seems. I'm very suspicious of you because of this - in fact, you're getting my vote today, whether for lynch or jail i haven't decided

ummm, actually, go back and read the thread, day 1 I was very much against BK as king and critical of him.

[DaddyTorgo]

okay, then my memory is just wonky

[dubb93]

I worked all night last night and I'm exhausted. I'm 99% sure I sent out all the PMs I was supposed to, if not send me a PM and I will get on that when I wake up. Goodnight all.

[Lathum]

Vote jail BK

I think jailing is the way to go today. If the King can clear BK then we release him and make him the next King since as a villager I think BK would do a great job of it.

ok, so I think thats all the more reason to jail BK. Seer scan him, BG protect him, elect him King tomorrow.

Can we elect a new king while the old king is still in power, or do we HAVE to lynch the old king?

OK, so I am alittle freaked out about Schmidty being King, or I should say the way he came about as a possible candidate.

BK mentions, him and Schmidty says sure. Now they HAVE to know people are going to bring up Schmidtys schedule as an issue, then Schmidty plays the hurt feelings card and the I want to prove myself card and people feel bad and that could earn him some votes.

The fact that the King can't be scanned just gives me the willies, especially after witnessing the way Dubb played last game a a wolf in power.

Now I'm not saying Schmidty as a villager wouldn't do a good job, I am just saying I could see BK concoct this plan to lead us in this direction.

I dunno about Pass, he tends to lock in at times.

I would say Path or Danny. And no way BK based on his early suggestion of Schmidty

Yeah DT, these posts of mine from Day 1 really scream support for BK

[SnDvls]

vote Chief Rum King

[RendeR]

okay, then my memory is just wonky


You'd think you'd be used to this by now ;)


As for the Abe/Clap thing, I have to agree he is a prime target as he was at the center of the whole situation that bagged us the dark one. I'm still not certain wether we should lynch or Jail.

Sucks to lose Danny. Seems like both sides are getting lucky as hell right now. Better lucky than good?

I will not vote for BK to be king, he's still very much an unknown right now. We obviously had a damned good king previously. Who should we promote for the job?

[Autumn]

ummm, actually, go back and read the thread, day 1 I was very much against BK as king and critical of him.

True, but you have done quite an about face on him since then, pushing him above any other candidate. You told me it was because of your regard for him as a player, but I agree with DaddyT that it's a bit much.

Still, BK is one of the only players we have any sense of from how things have gone down. I don't think I'm likely to vote for him, but I would like to find someone that the circumstances of yesterday bode well for their innocence.

[SnDvls]

dola - I feel he's be on the up and up with us and feel he's a good choice

[Chief Rum]

Very disappointed to see Danny taken from us. He was my most trusted to this point in the game.

There is undeniable logic in lynching Abe after what happened last night, considering the odd actions of clap.

That said, having read over what he said, I'm not convinced it is more than Clap being Clap. He is out of the way for now, and can't do anything. There isn't even a king yet to free him. I am content to let him sit there and sift through some other candidates.

I do not see Barkeep as cleared by Schmidty's goodness, BTW, although I do think it works in his favor. Were it the other way around--Schmidty fingered BK, and Schmidty came up good, that would mean something more. But BK as a wolf or the Cultist could have been doing anything in fingering Schmidty, including setting him up for an early lynch or trying to get into a CoT.

That doesn't mean "lynch BK', of course. He's still got more going for him than most in the game. But I just don't think it's wise right now to extend all that much trust on him just based on Schmidty alone.

[SnDvls]

Very disappointed to see Danny taken from us. He was my most trusted to this point in the game.

There is undeniable logic in lynching Abe after what happened last night, considering the odd actions of clap.

That said, having read over what he said, I'm not convinced it is more than Clap being Clap. He is out of the way for now, and can't do anything. There isn't even a king yet to free him. I am content to let him sit there and sift through some other candidates.

I do not see Barkeep as cleared by Schmidty's goodness, BTW, although I do think it works in his favor. Were it the other way around--Schmidty fingered BK, and Schmidty came up good, that would mean something more. But BK as a wolf or the Cultist could have been doing anything in fingering Schmidty, including setting him up for an early lynch or trying to get into a CoT.

That doesn't mean "lynch BK', of course. He's still got more going for him than most in the game. But I just don't think it's wise right now to extend all that much trust on him just based on Schmidty alone.

I agree with you on Barkeep.

However, Clap isn't in Jail. Schmidty duked so there is no one in jail

[dubb93]

Just to clear up any potential confusion. There are zero players currently in jail.

[Lathum]

We really don't have anyone really cleared, but my point is as a wolf I don't see BK nominating Schmidty, he is to much of a maverick as proved in this game. Yes, his move turned out great for us, but I think if BK is a wolf who is looking to put someone else in power he picks someone who is alot more predictable then Schmidty.

[RendeR]

We really don't have anyone really cleared, but my point is as a wolf I don't see BK nominating Schmidty, he is to much of a maverick as proved in this game. Yes, his move turned out great for us, but I think if BK is a wolf who is looking to put someone else in power he picks someone who is alot more predictable then Schmidty.


See now I see that just the opposite LAthum.

I think if BK is a darkfriend then he would choose someone who can be very volatile, like schmidty, hoping to create chaos within the top role on the good side.

Thoughts?

[Lathum]

See now I see that just the opposite LAthum.

I think if BK is a darkfriend then he would choose someone who can be very volatile, like schmidty, hoping to create chaos within the top role on the good side.

Thoughts?

BK is to analytical to take the chance Schmidtys volatility could backfire.

[RendeR]

BK is to analytical to take the chance Schmidtys volatility could backfire.


I suppose I can see that.

[Autumn]

I've just read back through all of Tyrith's posts. I think it's clear that what pinged Schmidty was Tyrith seeming to be pushing for a duke to pass, at least as Schmidty read it. He certainly seemed desperate to get people off of Clap. With that in mind I am considering Pass as my highest King candidate at this point.

I'd like to hear more about his shenanigans so I will hold off on my vote though.

[saldana]

BK is to analytical to take the chance Schmidtys volatility could backfire.

however, schmidty had not made public the fact that he was going to have ALOT more availability this game yet when barkeep started the conversation...it would not be out of the realm of reason to belive BK wanted schmidty, who is popular enough to win (as proven), with the hope that he would be be limited in his involvement.

[Autumn]

I think Tyrith's very vocal reluctance to go after BK does not speak well for Barkeep. It could be nothing but distraction and commentary, but I'm certainly not going to trust BK over others given that.

[saldana]

for those that dont feel like digging back for it


Digging back through the paper you finally find it on page three. A letter written by Passacaglia:


Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Things are pretty quiet here at Woebegone Prison, where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the criminals are more deadly than average. Everyone here is delighted to learn of King Schmidty's coronation, happy to see such a benevolent leader on the throne. It's a nice community here. You've got Peregrine's Pretty Good Grocery -- "If you can't find it at Peregrine's, you can probably get along (pretty good) without it." There's also Bunsen Motors, the Ford dealership owned by those brothers, Bek and Blade. Down the road from there is PurdueBrad's Auto Repair, including PurdueBrad's School of Thought, Warm Car Service, Dry Good Emporium, and Fountain Lounge. You've also got The Sidetrack Tap, run by GoldenEagle and LoneStarGirl -- "The dim little place in the dark where the pinball machine never tilts, the clock is a half-hour slow, and where love never dies."
--Passacaglia

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE DADDYTORGO FOR KING

I know I'm good.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh - so much for my thought of how he got out - that person isn't playing

[DaddyTorgo]

Peregrine's
Bunsen's

PB's

If PB was playing I'd say PB sprung him.

[Chief Rum]

vote Chief Rum King

Hey, don't think I don't appreciate it, but even I wonder why you have given me support.

me myself, i am not sure whether or not I would endorse my own candidacy unless we had no one cleared to run with, and one player was as good as another.

[Chief Rum]

dola - I feel he's be on the up and up with us and feel he's a good choice

Oh there you go. Well, thanks for the support.

[Chief Rum]

I agree with you on Barkeep.

However, Clap isn't in Jail. Schmidty duked so there is no one in jail

Crap, you're right.

okay, I support Abe for jail. I'm not ready to lynch him. I would like to hear what Abe has to say about clap's antics, if he has any insights.

I also very much want to hear more from Pass.

[Autumn]

Actually I'll put my vote out there so it can be considered by others. I of course will be willing to alter it especially based on whatever we hear about his escape today.

<b>VOTE TO ELECT PASSACAGLIA KING</b>

[Lathum]

With that in mind I am considering Pass as my highest King candidate at this point.



Call me crazy, but I'm not voting someone to be King who may have sprung themselves out of jail

[Autumn]

I don't think it makes sense to jail Abe. I think it makes sense to lynch him and find out his allegiance right away. That will give us a lot of info that jailing him will not.

I support jailing people we don't have much of a read on. I don't think we can ask for a better read than what we have on Clap.

[Lathum]

VOTE DADDYTORGO FOR KING

I know I'm good.

Not a fan of the self vote for King, maybe we should all do that and see what happens in an 18 way tie

[DaddyTorgo]

seems like you and me are destined to be at odds this game lathum

[Lathum]

seems like you and me are destined to be at odds this game lathum

shrug

I just don't like how you give completely false information this morning about me then vote yourself King.

[KWhit]

Clap/Abe is a pretty obvious choice for jail or lynch tonight, and will likely get my vote unless something significant happens between now and then.

[SnDvls]

Oh there you go. Well, thanks for the support.

You're welcome.

Yes I realized I didn't "state my reason" for voting you king in the original and people sometimes get bent out of shape for not doing that.

WW is about hunches early on. I've played enough games with a lot of these people to have a pretty good hunch.

[SnDvls]

Call me crazy, but I'm not voting someone to be King who may have sprung themselves out of jail

totally agree on this.

He says he's waiting to talk about it until someone else talks first. We can only assume the "someone else" is the person who sprung him. We may never hear what happened if that has to happen.

[path12]

That's all fine and good, I just hope the next King doesn't go rogue without consulting us just for the sake of using their power before they get removed from office.

Why the sandy vagina? You know damn well you'd never "consult" with the group before making a decision like that, so why should Schmidty have?

[Chief Rum]

Not a fan of the self vote for King, maybe we should all do that and see what happens in an 18 way tie

We already know what happens. No king elected, and then "dire consequences".

[Lathum]

Why the sandy vagina? You know damn well you'd never "consult" with the group before making a decision like that, so why should Schmidty have?

seriously?

I would NEVER make that move as King without consulting the village, NEVER.

[Lathum]

We already know what happens. No king elected, and then "dire consequences".

I think you need your sarcasm meter turned up

[RendeR]

Why the sandy vagina? You know damn well you'd never "consult" with the group before making a decision like that, so why should Schmidty have?



Umm no offense here Path but:


LATHUM?


his name is LATHUM??? ;)

[Chief Rum]

Actually I'll put my vote out there so it can be considered by others. I of course will be willing to alter it especially based on whatever we hear about his escape today.

<b>VOTE TO ELECT PASSACAGLIA KING</b>

I read your logic before, but, IMO, this is quite the leap, given we don't even know how he got out, and he himself has stated he'll have something to say about it later on.

I am more in line with Lathum and others here. We need to know a lot more about Pass before we vote him king.

Right now, I'm pretty against voting either BK or Pass king at this point.

[Chief Rum]

I think you need your sarcasm meter turned up

Well, considering your response about Schmidty's decision (perhaps right, but certainly not correct to not give him credit), I decided to go with the running logic that your judgment today seems more off than usual.

[Lathum]

Umm no offense here Path but:


LATHUM?


his name is LATHUM??? ;)

I know , right, there's a fucking verb named after me for fuck's sake.



but for real, on day 2 with zero voting history, seer scans, etc... I NEVER make a move like that on my own.

[path12]

See now I see that just the opposite LAthum.

I think if BK is a darkfriend then he would choose someone who can be very volatile, like schmidty, hoping to create chaos within the top role on the good side.

Thoughts?

That's an interesting point. I'm neutral on BK to this point, but then again I'm neutral on most everyone right now -- with the exceptions of Pass because I can't figure out what he is waiting for on the explanation for his jailbreak and naturally the clap/Abe thing from yesterday.

For now I'm leaning one of those two directions but will wait to see what info comes out during the day.

As for King I'm leaning toward Chief, though ironically I'm a little concerned about how vocal he's been. :) I also think that although I haven't agreed with Autumn a whole lot that he's around and engaged enough to be a candidate as well.

[path12]

I think Tyrith's very vocal reluctance to go after BK does not speak well for Barkeep. It could be nothing but distraction and commentary, but I'm certainly not going to trust BK over others given that.

I'll have to go back and look at that -- don't recall that at all.

[Lathum]

Well, considering your response about Schmidty's decision (perhaps right, but certainly not correct to not give him credit), I decided to go with the running logic that your judgment today seems more off than usual.

I usually have pretty good judgement IMO, did I not contribute in large part to a win for us in Dannys game? I may be volatile but I'm not stupid.

That's right, thats what I thought.- said in a long, sarcastic drawl

[DaddyTorgo]

shrug

I just don't like how you give completely false information this morning about me then vote yourself King.

look at your early posts, before your tune changed. that's all i was saying. you came out hot n heavy suggesting this idea of BK-king (even laying out a path to clearing him). Not saying BK wouldn't be a good king mind you.

It wasn't till your last 2 posts that your mind changed. And I don't recall the timing on those, but I'm guessing they were once it emerged that there was little support for BK-as-King.

And now you're pushing the whole idea of Schmidty being revealed as good saying a ton about whether BK is good or bad. (#919-921)

IDK...

[Passacaglia]

Doh -- I was just kidding when I said I explained everything in the letter. And the letter itself was another joke. I'll come out with more info in a little bit.

[RendeR]

I know , right, there's a fucking verb named after me for fuck's sake.



but for real, on day 2 with zero voting history, seer scans, etc... I NEVER make a move like that on my own.


Oh I was just commenting on the sandy vagina question =) Its fun getting you wound up for a change instead of the other way around ;)

[Chief Rum]

Dubb: question...

Lord Righteous and the White Knight had PM rights, correct? Am I interpreting the PM rights portion under the "Order of Righteousness" part of the rules correctly?

[DaddyTorgo]

Doh -- I was just kidding when I said I explained everything in the letter. And the letter itself was another joke. I'll come out with more info in a little bit.

haha - the letter was awesome

*stops trying to analyze it for hidden meanings*

are you waiting to confer with your wolf-brethren before coming out with more info? ;)

[SnDvls]

I'd like to revisit the moving of powers from the Dark One to one of the followers. It appears that didn't happen...yet if it even will. As we only got one letter from Diffama and not two that we would normally get with the Dark One.

It seems this does bode well for the villagers.

[path12]

but for real, on day 2 with zero voting history, seer scans, etc... I NEVER make a move like that on my own.

Eh. I'll stand by what I said, I've beat my head against the wall multiple times trying to pull information out of you in games before. ;)

[Passacaglia]

haha - the letter was awesome

*stops trying to analyze it for hidden meanings*

are you waiting to confer with your wolf-brethren before coming out with more info? ;)

Yeah, I purposely chose people not even in the game, so that no one would think I had anything in mind other than the Prairie Home Companion rip-off.

And...good one.

[KWhit]

I'd like to revisit the moving of powers from the Dark One to one of the followers. It appears that didn't happen...yet if it even will. As we only got one letter from Diffama and not two that we would normally get with the Dark One.

It seems this does bode well for the villagers.

Maybe, or it might mean that the new Dark One just didn't submit an article.

Dunno yet.

[Lathum]

look at your early posts, before your tune changed. that's all i was saying. you came out hot n heavy suggesting this idea of BK-king (even laying out a path to clearing him). Not saying BK wouldn't be a good king mind you.

It wasn't till your last 2 posts that your mind changed. And I don't recall the timing on those, but I'm guessing they were once it emerged that there was little support for BK-as-King.

And now you're pushing the whole idea of Schmidty being revealed as good saying a ton about whether BK is good or bad. (#919-921)

IDK...

Your right, I guess the part about me saying there is no way I was voting BK king really confused people.

Also, justify your statements about me saying Schmidty is good saya a ton about BK, I think a ton is a little strong. And considering right now we have someone who is voting for a guy who escaped prison and someone who is voting for themselves and I haven't even voted I'm not getting your issue.

[SnDvls]

Maybe, or it might mean that the new Dark One just didn't submit an article.

Dunno yet.

correct, but as of now I think we can safely assume that the latest article we did get (and I belive the 1st as well) were from the good one.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'd like to revisit the moving of powers from the Dark One to one of the followers. It appears that didn't happen...yet if it even will. As we only got one letter from Diffama and not two that we would normally get with the Dark One.

It seems this does bode well for the villagers.

could just be a fake out on their part (going "underground") or they weren't around to get an article in.

[Lathum]

Eh. I'll stand by what I said, I've beat my head against the wall multiple times trying to pull information out of you in games before. ;)

well, yeah, that I can agree with.

But I'm not going to make a move that mathmatically makes no sense without discussing it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Your right, I guess the part about me saying there is no way I was voting BK king really confused people.

Also, justify your statements about me saying Schmidty is good saya a ton about BK, I think a ton is a little strong. And considering right now we have someone who is voting for a guy who escaped prison and someone who is voting for themselves and I haven't even voted I'm not getting your issue.

maybe a ton was laying it on a bit strong. :)

I just think there's been a lot of focus on BK. Not saying that makes you good or bad or anything, just saying. Tyrith was trying to keep the convo away from BK (or so some have theorized, right?) and you were trying to keep it there somewhat it seemed. Just...interesting is all.

[Autumn]

I read your logic before, but, IMO, this is quite the leap, given we don't even know how he got out, and he himself has stated he'll have something to say about it later on.

I am more in line with Lathum and others here. We need to know a lot more about Pass before we vote him king.

Right now, I'm pretty against voting either BK or Pass king at this point.

I certainly want to hear more, and have plenty of time to change my vote. I think it seems pretty clear from Tyrith's posts though that he was very happy to have Pass jailed or lynched, so as far as I can see he's the closest to someone cleared we have. Certainly seems better to me than randomly picking someone.

I think ti's likely someone with an unlisted role aided Pass in getting out and he's waiting hoping that they will reveal themselves. I kind of doubt that the wolves have *another* ability to release someone from prison since they already have that power, ti would seem a bit lopsided.

[lerriuqs]

I won't put a vote in for myself at this point, but I'm willing to be King - understanding that it could be a very short shelf-life for me. Anything I can do to help out the village.

[SnDvls]

All votes must be in bold. Unvotes are allowed but must also be in bold. If a player does not specify jail or lynch their vote will not be counted. You may not self vote.

bolded is mine from the rules

FYI

[Passacaglia]

All right. Here's what I know:

1. clap/Abe let me out of prison.
2. I was the one who "told" clap to hit up the thread since he was getting votes. Another of his abilities is that he can talk to prisoners.
3. I was waiting to see how Abe played this first -- I saw him in the thread late last night, but haven't seen him this morning, so I figured enough is enough.

There's probably more I'm forgetting, so feel free to ask any questions.

[RendeR]

I remit the following:

Anyone who would actively seek public office has absolutely NO place being allowed to gain it.

[saldana]

unless Pass comes up with a very good explanation, he will be getting my vote for lynch tonight.

as far as king goes, i dont really feel good about anyone at this point.

[Chief Rum]

I am thinking the best option for King is Arbitro.

Our BG is gone, and the White Knight is only a sorta half BG. He might be able to do some protecting, but not completely. So it seems likely we'll be electing a new King every other day or so. Right now, I would like the King to be someone fairly clear, to give us another day or two to get more scans in (by King or by seer) and perhaps build more of a COT. Arbitro, whose only purpose was to kill the Dark One, no has no real purpose except for a COT.

If someone comes out now as Arbitro, there is plenty of time for the real Arbitro (if the first isn't) to come out at this point, early in the day. then we can make Arbitro our new King with some confidence he is cleared (and if two come out, we'll likely get a wolf one way or another).

What does everyone think of that?

[Passacaglia]

unless Pass comes up with a very good explanation, he will be getting my vote for lynch tonight.

as far as king goes, i dont really feel good about anyone at this point.

I thought it was pretty good. You think it's a coincidence that my escape from prison happened in the exact same post that Abe took over for clap?

[Autumn]

<b>unvote passacaglia for king</b>

That explanation certainly hasn't made me feel better about Pass at this point.

I'm not quite sure what to make of it but with those two tied together I'm no longer interested in electing Pass.

[Autumn]

I am thinking the best option for King is Arbitro.

Our BG is gone, and the White Knight is only a sorta half BG. He might be able to do some protecting, but not completely. So it seems likely we'll be electing a new King every other day or so. Right now, I would like the King to be someone fairly clear, to give us another day or two to get more scans in (by King or by seer) and perhaps build more of a COT. Arbitro, whose only purpose was to kill the Dark One, no has no real purpose except for a COT.

If someone comes out now as Arbitro, there is plenty of time for the real Arbitro (if the first isn't) to come out at this point, early in the day. then we can make Arbitro our new King with some confidence he is cleared (and if two come out, we'll likely get a wolf one way or another).

What does everyone think of that?

That seems pretty good thinking. Unles the Dark One is still among us somehow, as theorized, in which case it helps the bad guys out.

[DaddyTorgo]

unless Pass comes up with a very good explanation, he will be getting my vote for lynch tonight.

as far as king goes, i dont really feel good about anyone at this point.

lol - like the explanation he posted while you were typing that? :)

[Passacaglia]

I am thinking the best option for King is Arbitro.

Our BG is gone, and the White Knight is only a sorta half BG. He might be able to do some protecting, but not completely. So it seems likely we'll be electing a new King every other day or so. Right now, I would like the King to be someone fairly clear, to give us another day or two to get more scans in (by King or by seer) and perhaps build more of a COT. Arbitro, whose only purpose was to kill the Dark One, no has no real purpose except for a COT.

If someone comes out now as Arbitro, there is plenty of time for the real Arbitro (if the first isn't) to come out at this point, early in the day. then we can make Arbitro our new King with some confidence he is cleared (and if two come out, we'll likely get a wolf one way or another).

What does everyone think of that?

That seems like a pretty good plan to me. I was thinking of doing this if votes got on me at some point, but while I'm dropping bombs, I might as well say now that I'm Arbitro. I told clap that I was him, and dubb let me forward that conversation to Abe, so he should know, too.

[Chief Rum]

All right. Here's what I know:

1. clap/Abe let me out of prison.
2. I was the one who "told" clap to hit up the thread since he was getting votes. Another of his abilities is that he can talk to prisoners.
3. I was waiting to see how Abe played this first -- I saw him in the thread late last night, but haven't seen him this morning, so I figured enough is enough.

There's probably more I'm forgetting, so feel free to ask any questions.

Hmm, this actually fits a bit with my "feel" on clap's posts. I can see this being true. I don't know whether to accept this at face value, but we know an unlisted power allowed Pass to be set free. It could just as likely be a villager role that did it as a wolf role.

Should be noted, clap left the game about the same time Pass was released. In fact, I think dubb announced it in the same post.

[DaddyTorgo]

I am thinking the best option for King is Arbitro.

Our BG is gone, and the White Knight is only a sorta half BG. He might be able to do some protecting, but not completely. So it seems likely we'll be electing a new King every other day or so. Right now, I would like the King to be someone fairly clear, to give us another day or two to get more scans in (by King or by seer) and perhaps build more of a COT. Arbitro, whose only purpose was to kill the Dark One, no has no real purpose except for a COT.

If someone comes out now as Arbitro, there is plenty of time for the real Arbitro (if the first isn't) to come out at this point, early in the day. then we can make Arbitro our new King with some confidence he is cleared (and if two come out, we'll likely get a wolf one way or another).

What does everyone think of that?

I think it's fucking bonkers. What if the Dark One escaped into another body - we'd still want Arbitro alive in case of that.

[DaddyTorgo]

*le sigh*

[USFLTecmo]

I like the Arbitro idea.

[Passacaglia]

I think it's fucking bonkers. What if the Dark One escaped into another body - we'd still want Arbitro alive in case of that.

I think that's pretty paranoid -- seems an unlikely scenario.

[USFLTecmo]

I will also steer clear of games with hidden mechanics from now on. It devolves the play into guessing games of "who can do what? Is this role still in play? How do we know?"

[Autumn]

That seems like a pretty good plan to me. I was thinking of doing this if votes got on me at some point, but while I'm dropping bombs, I might as well say now that I'm Arbitro. I told clap that I was him, and dubb let me forward that conversation to Abe, so he should know, too.

Well, that's interesting.

I have to go pick up my kid at school. I'll be interested in seeing what's happened when I get back.

I must say, if this is an invention, it's a pretty good one. This sounds like a kind of unlisted role I could imagine dubb having in the game, and as i said before I find it unlikely the wolves would have a second power to release people from jail. Having PM rights with prisoners would make sense. I wish Abe had joined and played right after the swtich so we'd know something more.

[Passacaglia]

how is it to our advantage, there is a chance that the king never scans anyone succesfully.... there is a chance we jail the seer, where im prety sure they cannot scan.

I may be wrong, but I think we should just play this as a regular WW game

vote RendeR

So here's another thing. After clap made this post, I asked him where he saw that, about the seer not being able to scan while in jail. He told me it was in the rules, but when I pressed him about it more, he backed off and said that he might have been wrong. I'm not thrilled with looking at Abe based on someone else, but it came off to me like someone else told clap that part of the rules.

[Passacaglia]

On the other hand, I also told clap that he should claim to be Arbitro if he ended up with a lot of votes, and he didn't do it. So maybe that speaks to his innocence, that he didn't want to lie.

[Lathum]

I think I would have liked Pass to wait a while before revealing his role. One so we could discuss CR's plan and two to see if a wolf would have come forward and claimed it.

Unless Pass is a wolf that is.

Now that the cat's out of the bag barring a counter reveal I think Pass probably is a decent choice for King, but I'll hold off a while on voting.

[Lathum]

On the other hand, I also told clap that he should claim to be Arbitro if he ended up with a lot of votes, and he didn't do it. So maybe that speaks to his innocence, that he didn't want to lie.

why did he pick day 1 to use his ability to release you?

[saldana]

so all we need now is abe to confirm what pass is saying and we have the beginnings of a circle....i say that because i dont think 2 wolves would expose themselves to cover one another this early with the Dark One already dead.

[Passacaglia]

why did he pick day 1 to use his ability to release you?

He did it Day 2, and I'm not convinced it is one-time only.

[Passacaglia]

so all we need now is abe to confirm what pass is saying and we have the beginnings of a circle....i say that because i dont think 2 wolves would expose themselves to cover one another this early with the Dark One already dead.

Abe should be able to verify everything I've said, but I don't have any read on whether he's good or not.

[Passacaglia]

And vice versa. Well, I told him I was Arbitro, but he might not believe me.

[Passacaglia]

I think I would have liked Pass to wait a while before revealing his role. One so we could discuss CR's plan and two to see if a wolf would have come forward and claimed it.

Unless Pass is a wolf that is.

Now that the cat's out of the bag barring a counter reveal I think Pass probably is a decent choice for King, but I'll hold off a while on voting.

I would have liked to wait a while, too -- but I'd already been feeling too secretive from last night and this morning, and in a complicated game like this, I felt I needed to make with the info. I thought about a wolf revealing, and would have loved it, but I figured the chances were slim -- why would they take that risk, knowing the real Arbitro is out there (especially since no one is in prison who could have been Arbitro)?

[MartinD]

I'd like to revisit the moving of powers from the Dark One to one of the followers. It appears that didn't happen...yet if it even will. As we only got one letter from Diffama and not two that we would normally get with the Dark One.

It seems this does bode well for the villagers.

Nothing says that the transfer of the Dark One's powers has to be instantaneous...

[SnDvls]

Nothing says that the transfer of the Dark One's powers has to be instantaneous...

that would be a very powerful game mechanic that really would put the villagers at a disadvantage...unless the role Schmidty had does the same. I don't think that is the case at all in either spot. Plus why go through the motions of putting in a rule in the game the if there is only 1 follower then he can make kills on consecutive nights.

I think this isn't happening at all in this game.

[Autumn]

I would suggest anyone who has a counterclaim to Pass's role make that counterreveal very early today. We have a chance at forming a COT or rooting out a wolf right here and someone "revealing" at the last moment would be bad form, I think.

If no one is coming out soon I will be moving back to voting Pass as King I think. It would bump Abe up to a trusted list to my mind also, though it's remotely possible he's still bad.

STill, if both are good I have to think about Tyrith's behavior to make any sense of it.

[Schmidty]

Don't forget me Villagers...!!!....

Win this one for Ghost King Schmidty....

http://jrobertking.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/hamlet-ghost1.jpg

[Autumn]

Prison-

The players in prison also lose all powers to them granted by their private role while they are in prison except The Dark One who is both cunning and brutal while in prison.

FWIW, this information was in the rules.

[The Jackal]

Well I'm caught up. Sucks to lose Danny, but it seems Pass is emerging as a viable King candidate. If no one counters his Arbitro claim that's probably where I'll go with my king vote.

I still don't know what to make of clap/Abe, though it seems like Pass probably trusts him.