Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS)

[lerriuqs]

All right, it's time.

I am Crystal Oculo. My apologies to KWhit for letting him hang. I didn't feel it was right to coem out then.

I haven't been a particularly great seer, since I haven't found a wolf. But with the BG still around, and a shrinking pool of probably three wolves, it seems to be the right time to set up an official CoT.

My results today, and the wolves' kill target allowed two more uncleareds to come off of the list, and I think that gives us a lot to work with.

Here goes:

Night One: Scanned Danny (good, of course)
Night Two: Scanned Abe (good, this is why I wanted to jail him at worst, not lynch)
Night Three: Scanned Autumn (good, wanted to get info from lynch votes on him)
Night Four (last night): Scanned path12 (good)

path was the first one that actually surprised me a little. I thought there was a good chance he would come up dark.

FTR, I think we need to lynch Lathum today to be certain he is the Cultist. If he is not, we cannot trust the above scans quite yet. But I am pretty sure Lathum is the Cultist. His block reference pretty much clears any remaining doubt, as we know the wolves weren't blocked last night.

Yes, Abe has been scanned.

[The Jackal]

Autumn would work for me too, any of the three really.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I like Abe then as king.

Elect Abe as King

[Autumn]

I'll be out until tomorow, just a quick check in. I agree that Abe is the best choice for King, being scanned and having a confirmed role. And you're all right, if we separate King and seer that's probably better, especially since Chief was probably protected last night.

<b>elect abe sargent king</b>

Again, I'll be here Monday, but for now I think Saldana is a clear choice to get some use out of Chief's last scan.

<b>vote saldana jail</b>

[USFLTecmo]

Vote Abe King

vote lynch saldana

Unless saldana comes around and gives us a plausible reveal, I think we learn more if saldana is lynched, so we know just what we're dealing with, rather than speculating on it for more than a day.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Autumn King

Vote Lynch saldana

For now, let's see what saldana says.

[Chief Rum]

I don't see the value in jailing saldana. It tells us nothing about why I couldn't get a read, and if I couldn't get a read, neither will the king, more than likely.

VOTE LYNCH SALDANA

[lerriuqs]

Vote Abe King

Vote Saldana lynch

[The Jackal]

VOTE ABE KING

VOTE SALDANA LYNCH

[The Jackal]

Seems like our best course of action

[Autumn]

I suppose that makes better sense. I was kind of holding on to see what Saldana had to say. Thinking on it, it seems likely that he's an independent faction. That would seem likely to result in a "hard to read" answer.

<b>UNVOTE SALDANA JAIL
VOTE SALDANA LYNCH</b>

I guess this is the best we have to go with, though it seems unlikely we're getting a lynch on a wolf. Maybe his role will be illuminating at least and possibly remove a third set of win conditions from the equation.

[SnDvls]

Vote Abe King

Vote Saldana lynch

[MartinD]

VOTE ABE SARGENT KING

VOTE SALDANA LYNCH

This seems to be the consensus, and I don't have any viable alternatives to offer.

[saldana]

holy crap...i guess that is what i get for assuming all would be quiet over the weekend!!!

i have no idea what the story with CRs scan of me is...i am as vanilla as they come, nothing special about me at all, so i dont know why i wouldnt come up as light aura

for whoever it was that said the dark one is both cunning and brutal, that only applies if he is in jail, which i am not, so that argument is garbage

vote abe king

unfortunately, this post bay be all you are going to hear from me (although it appears no one cared to hear from me to begin with) until at least 5...i have an all day training class at an offsite location...i dont know if there is going to be any access for me from there.

[USFLTecmo]

unfortunately, this post bay be all you are going to hear from me (although it appears no one cared to hear from me to begin with) until at least 5...i have an all day training class at an offsite location...i dont know if there is going to be any access for me from there.

That's not true. Both Abe and I back to back wanted to hear from you, and said so after our votes.

[Chief Rum]

That's not true. Both Abe and I back to back wanted to hear from you, and said so after our votes.

I think it's safe to assume the whole village wanted to hear from saldana. Too bad it's two days later before that happens. No idea what the scan's about? A vet thinking nothing coming from a weekend deadline will happen? Fail.

I'll get my king vote in right now, too, since I forgot before.

VOTE ELECT ABE KING

[RendeR]

This seems to be the consensus, and I don't have any viable alternatives to offer.



This is about where I am at this point. I'm not sure there isn't more to CR's inability to read than just Sal being bad, but everyone is on the lynch Sal train and as you say there are no real viable alternatives.

Today I am a sheep.

VOTE LYNCH SALDANA

VOTE ABE KING

[Barkeep49]

Ok well saldana didn't offer us anything. No reason not to

Lynch saldana

[SnDvls]

looks like another quiet day

[Autumn]

I think there are several possible options to Chief's poor read, which I listed some and I think others did. Saldana obviously is either denying those or unaware of them.

1) Saldana's an independent. He is claiming not to be, so if this is the case clearly there's something about his status that he does not want us to know.

2) Saldana's some kind of funny wolf? Dubb stated there might be other wolf roles other than the DO, so perhaps this is a sign of that.

3) Saldana is the Cultist and was being converted last night. This actually seems like a pretty good possiblity to me, as it would explain not being able to get a read. Obviously Saldana would not admit to this.

4) Somebody was interfering with Chief's scan. If Saldana was out doing something at night (other than a wolf kill I presume) perhaps that interfered. If somebody was blocking Chief from acting, perhaps this would be the result. If somebody else was performing a night action on Saldana perhaps this could be the result. Some of these Saldana might have no idea about, some he would.

If Saldana doesn't come clean on any of these he might know he's going to get lynched. So it seems clear that he either doesn't know anything or what he knows is incriminating. Or alternately that he's fine with being lynched (because he's an unconverted cultist or a brutal?).

[MartinD]

for whoever it was that said the dark one is both cunning and brutal, that only applies if he is in jail, which i am not, so that argument is garbage


My understanding of the rules is that the Dark One is both cunning and brutal at all times - the specific mention of cunning and brutal relating to jail has been made because all other roles lose their 'special abilities' when in jail.

Dubb - could you please clarify this?

[path12]

I was waiting to hear from sal before putting a vote out, but that struck me as not having a convincing story ready to go. It's a pretty foregone conclusion at this point I'd say.

VOTE LYNCH SALDANA
VOTE ABE KING

[dubb93]

The Dark One - May submit a story to the newspaper each night. Will be submitted as Diffama Fabula. May also delegate a night kill each night. The Dark One is cunning as well as being brutal...................
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[RendeR]

I'm wondering if the lack of newspaper articles isn't a hint that he's not back perhaps? We haven't had a news article from difama since they were killed. If it a requirement to submit newspaper articles (by the Dark one I mean?)

Might have beena subtle clue we've overlooked perhaps?

[RendeR]

I will not be around for either deadline tonight I'm afraid. Not that I have anything more to do since I've already voted and such. Just wanted everyone to know why I wasn't around later =)

[Schmidty]

This game has died. I'm bored watching.

We need more anger and conflict!!!

[Autumn]

Yeah, I'm not sure if the newspaper article is a requirement, that would be a good clue. Seems unlikely though since after Difamma's death it would be clear who it was from, defeating the point of it, I guess.

[saldana]

Ok well saldana didn't offer us anything. No reason not to

Lynch saldana

i have nothing to offer...if i did, i would...i am a one word vanilla villager, and i have no explanation for the bizzare scan

at this point i am less concerned with why the scan came up the way it did than i am with the fact that i am going to be dead soon...if the seer cant be trusted, i see very little chance for the village to win the game.

doubt me all you want now, but you will believe me in 6 hours.

[saldana]

I think it's safe to assume the whole village wanted to hear from saldana. Too bad it's two days later before that happens. No idea what the scan's about? A vet thinking nothing coming from a weekend deadline will happen? Fail.



OOC, im not usually one to take crap in WW personally, but this comment right here is bullshit...i could care less if you wanna lynch me for in game reasons, but the second you start adding to your reasons the fact that i spent time with my family instead of playing WW, you can kiss my ass, especially since the game signup didnt say shit about playing through the weekend, and if you care to go back and look, i never said i would be around or what my preference for play over the weekend would be. when you have no night action and the only deadline is a night phase, what the hell would i need to be here for.

[Autumn]

Really? Nobody?

[Autumn]

oh somebody

So, Saldana, any theories then on what could have gone wrong with the scan? Are you suggesting the seer is bogus?

[SnDvls]

Really? Nobody?

NOPE...no one

[SnDvls]

dola -

it has made it rather easy to keep up with the reading today though as I do have a lot of work to complete.

[saldana]

oh somebody

So, Saldana, any theories then on what could have gone wrong with the scan? Are you suggesting the seer is bogus?

i dont know...at this point i am thinking that there is a mechanic that allows for a scan to be interfered with...note that the scan did not come back that i am a wolf...it came back as nothing...even the cunning wolf would have come up as something...i have never seen a scan result like that before.

and as i said, i cant do anything to prove myself except die, which is really going to confuse the crap out of you when i do come up vanilla

[saldana]

possibly one of the unnamed powers of the cultist is to confuse the seer...that role seems to have a rather nebulous set of abilities.

[Chief Rum]

OOC, im not usually one to take crap in WW personally, but this comment right here is bullshit...i could care less if you wanna lynch me for in game reasons, but the second you start adding to your reasons the fact that i spent time with my family instead of playing WW, you can kiss my ass, especially since the game signup didnt say shit about playing through the weekend, and if you care to go back and look, i never said i would be around or what my preference for play over the weekend would be. when you have no night action and the only deadline is a night phase, what the hell would i need to be here for.

Damn, dude, you're taking that way too seriously. It was just an observation that I was surprised a vet would make that assumption. I am sorry if you took that the wrong way, but this is completely in game. In the game, you are a vet, and you know how these things work. I am permitted to be surprised that caught you offguard, and I said nothing personal or insulting here whatsoever. If you have a problem with the weekend thing, seems to me you should have a problem with the GM, not me.

Frankly, I am one to take things personally, and you crossed my line, by taking such an asinine little thing personally.

I am sorry to have offended you, and I mean that, because it was not intentional. You're way out on this, though.

[Abe Sargent]

OOC, im not usually one to take crap in WW personally, but this comment right here is bullshit...i could care less if you wanna lynch me for in game reasons, but the second you start adding to your reasons the fact that i spent time with my family instead of playing WW, you can kiss my ass, especially since the game signup didnt say shit about playing through the weekend, and if you care to go back and look, i never said i would be around or what my preference for play over the weekend would be. when you have no night action and the only deadline is a night phase, what the hell would i need to be here for.

I agree with saldana on this.

[Abe Sargent]

I think having a weekend life is fine and no one should vote for him because of that.

[saldana]

Damn, dude, you're taking that way too seriously. It was just an observation that I was surprised a vet would make that assumption. I am sorry if you took that the wrong way, but this is completely in game. In the game, you are a vet, and you know how these things work. I am permitted to be surprised that caught you offguard, and I said nothing personal or insulting here whatsoever. If you have a problem with the weekend thing, seems to me you should have a problem with the GM, not me.

Frankly, I am one to take things personally, and you crossed my line, by taking such an asinine little thing personally.

I am sorry to have offended you, and I mean that, because it was not intentional. You're way out on this, though.

chief,i have always liked you and know you arent one to normally take pot shots, which is why i actually tempered my initial response...if i am way off, my bad, and no worries on my side.

peace out

i will now go back to discussing the fact that your scan is bullshit :devil:

[Chief Rum]

I think having a weekend life is fine and no one should vote for him because of that.

Not why I voted for him. I voted for him because I didn't buy his story when he came back.

[Chief Rum]

Or to be more accurate, I voted for him yesterday or Saturday (whenever I placed my vote) because of the oddness of the scan results, which generally says something besides villager. And then his response today was not something that moved me to change my vote.

[dubb93]

Day 6 Vote Count (11p Deadline):

Saldana Lynch - 11 - USFL (1755), Abe (1756), CR (1757), Lerriuqs (1758), Jackal (1759), Autumn (1761), SnDvls (1762), MartinD (1763), RendeR (1767), BK (1768), Path (1772)

Yet to Vote: Saldana


Day 6 King Election Count (7p Deadline):

Abe - 11 - BK (1753), Autumn (1754), USFL (1755), Lerriuqs (1758), Jackal (1759), SnDvls (1762), MartinD (1763), Saldana (1764), CR (1766), RendeR (1767), Path (1772)

Autumn - 1 - Abe (1765)

[Chief Rum]

BTW, just to clarify further. I didn't buy saldana's "WW" story i.e. that he doesn't know what's up with the lack of a scan. I completely buy the weekend story. saldana wouldn't lie about that.

[saldana]

vote the jackal

he has been seriously UTR and last time i played with him and he was this quiet, he was also furry.

[Chief Rum]

I will say this, if saldana does turn up a villager, I'll be pretty annoyed that that mechanic wasn't made public (whatever caused the inability to get a scan).

[SnDvls]

[QUOTE=saldana;2050516]vote the jackal

QUOTE]

for what???

[saldana]

I will say this, if saldana does turn up a villager, I'll be pretty annoyed that that mechanic wasn't made public (whatever caused the inability to get a scan).

you and me both!

vote the jackal



for what???

i dont really have anythng to go on besides gut right now. as i have said all day, i am boring vanilla, and dont have anything to offer as far as help goes....the only info available to me has been the rather worthless lynch vote records

[dubb93]

Day 6 Final King Election Count:

Abe - 11 - BK (1753), Autumn (1754), USFL (1755), Lerriuqs (1758), Jackal (1759), SnDvls (1762), MartinD (1763), Saldana (1764), CR (1766), RendeR (1767), Path (1772)

Autumn - 1 - Abe (1765)

[dubb93]

For the third time this year the residents of Metou gather to crown a new king. This time Abe Sargent will accept the crown. He finds himself in the Great Hall of Kings where every king looks at him from the walls. Well, every king except for Passacaglia who was killed prior to his official portrait being painted.

How will the reign of King Abe be remembered? Will he be able to live up to King Schmidty the Great?

Abe Sargent has been elected your King
Day 6 ends 11p EST

1. Barkeep49
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe - Elected King Day 6
5. MartinD
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. <s>Passacaglia</s> - Elected King Day 3, Killed Night 5, Arbitro
8. <s>Telle</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 4
9. The Jackal
10. <s>Danny</s> - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. Autumn
12. <s>Lathum</s> - Lynched Day 5, Follower of The Dark One
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. Chief Rum
16. saldana
17. <s>DaddyTorgo</s> - Diffama Fabula - Killed Night 3
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. <s>KWhit</s> - Lynched Day 4, Vanilla Villager
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

[Passacaglia]

Well, every king except for Passacaglia who was killed prior to his official portrait being painted.


Lame!!

[Autumn]

i dont really have anythng to go on besides gut right now. as i have said all day, i am boring vanilla, and dont have anything to offer as far as help goes....the only info available to me has been the rather worthless lynch vote records

I think he means you have to pick jail or lynch on your vote.

[Autumn]

I kind of wonder if we shouldn't be going elsewhere with the lynch today. While the scan on Saldana is suspicious, the lack of activity makes it unlikely that we've bagged a wolf, in my mind. Given that this is likely the last scan we're going to get, it might be more useful to have a voting record to go off of for tomorrow than another runaway.

[Autumn]

Well I'm out 'til morning, so I guess I'm not going to see any movement on the lynch vote since I'm alone in here right now. Hopefully we'll have some answers come morning.

[Chief Rum]

Well I'm out 'til morning, so I guess I'm not going to see any movement on the lynch vote since I'm alone in here right now. Hopefully we'll have some answers come morning.

Sorry, Autumn. It sucks but I think we need to play this one out. As it is, saldana was uncleared, so this needs to happen to be sure about what we're dealing with.

I do think we're probably dealing with some private mechanic here, but we have no other way to prove saldana's allegiance.

[path12]

I kind of wonder if we shouldn't be going elsewhere with the lynch today. While the scan on Saldana is suspicious, the lack of activity makes it unlikely that we've bagged a wolf, in my mind. Given that this is likely the last scan we're going to get, it might be more useful to have a voting record to go off of for tomorrow than another runaway.

Or the lack of activity could be due to not having any better play than this one -- and also to argue hard against a seer scan would put remaining bad guys in the spotlight.

If I was bad there's no way I'd be pushing hard against this vote.

[Abe Sargent]

Rock on! My first official Duke role, but unlike the normal role, there is not the same incentive to use it. It doesn't create a COT. Ah well. Both prisoners this game have been cleared and risen to King.

[The Jackal]

vote the jackal

he has been seriously UTR and last time i played with him and he was this quiet, he was also furry.

I'm not sure how you consider my play this game UTR..

[The Jackal]

I haven't been around today, but that's mostly because this was a total runaway and I've been celebrating a family birthday.

[dubb93]

vote the jackal

he has been seriously UTR and last time i played with him and he was this quiet, he was also furry.

This vote is not valid without either lynch or jail attached to it.

[dubb93]

Lame!!

Well I canceled my original ending. It was going to read:

"How will the reign of King Abe be remembered? Will he be able to live up to King Schmidty the Great? Or will he be closer to King Passacaglia the Passive." ;)

[SnDvls]

lol @ dubb

[dubb93]

time check.

[dubb93]

deadline

[dubb93]

Day 6 Final Vote Count:

Saldana Lynch - 11 - USFL (1755), Abe (1756), CR (1757), Lerriuqs (1758), Jackal (1759), Autumn (1761), SnDvls (1762), MartinD (1763), RendeR (1767), BK (1768), Path (1772)

Failed to Vote: Saldana

[SnDvls]

wow it's dead in here for a lynch vote

[SnDvls]

these runaways are killing our WW posting momentum

[Chief Rum]

I'm around. It's late for East Coast folk. And we have killed off a bunch of the West Coast guys. And if the BG can't protect me tonight, there will be another West Coast guy biting the dust.

[Abe Sargent]

Im here too!!

[dubb93]

time check

[dubb93]

Another day, another run away run away lynch vote. For better or worse the people of Metou have been decisive. Today they decide that Saldana must be a follower of The Dark One.

Saldana is found in a small rural cottage. Surely a follower of The Dark One would not be found in such an innocent setting. As Saldana enjoys some light reading to end his evening the door suddenly bursts open and the mob is upon him. Saldana, startled, jumps up but is quickly taken down by the mob. They burn the cottage and drag Saldana outside.

Saldana begins to plead his innocence. “Scan? I know nothing of this witchcraft you speak.” The mob will not hear it. Saldana is viciously beaten to death. To his credit Saldana was strong to the end. Even while being beaten to death Saldana refused to reveal any information about his master. As the cottage burns in the background the mobs storms Saldana’s barn. Surely any information he has about his master will be in here.

As the mob searches the barn they find nothing. It seems Saldana was a simple law abiding, tax paying, and king fearing citizen of Metou. You vow to never speak of the atrocities that were committed on this day ever again.

Saldana was a Vanilla Villager.

Day 6 has ended. Night 6 has begun. Night actions are due by 10a EST Tuesday.

1. Barkeep49
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe - Elected King Day 6
5. MartinD
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. <s>Passacaglia</s> - Elected King Day 3, Killed Night 5, Arbitro
8. <s>Telle</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 4
9. The Jackal
10. <s>Danny</s> - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. Autumn
12. <s>Lathum</s> - Lynched Day 5, Follower of The Dark One
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. Chief Rum
16. <s>Saldana</s> - Lynched Day 6, Vanilla Villager
17. <s>DaddyTorgo</s> - Diffama Fabula, Killed Night 3
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. <s>KWhit</s> - Lynched Day 4, Vanilla Villager
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

[Abe Sargent]

Hmmm

[hoopsguy]

I vow to never again speak of the excitement-filled 88 posts, covering three days, to reach this deadline.

[Chief Rum]

No hints as to why I wasn't able to scan him.

There had to be some other interference then. Maybe the BG was protecting him?

[saldana]

damn...if only my vote had counted, i could have saved myself!!!! (or not)

good luck village

[Passacaglia]

I vow to never again speak of the excitement-filled 88 posts, covering three days, to reach this deadline.

And yet, *I* get called Passive.

[Lathum]

I'm really enjoying Dubb's write ups

[RendeR]

I was really hoping we'd learn something about CR's scan with his, but yet again we're back to square 1. I feel like we're in a mexican standoff, but our guns are loaded with blanks.

[The Jackal]

I'm really enjoying Dubb's write ups

+1

[The Jackal]

sorry sal, we're kind of reaching for straws here and someone who couldn't be scanned was as big of a warning flag as we really have. I honestly don't know where to go from this, I'm going to go back and review some posts from our group of uncleareds and see if anything sticks out

[The Jackal]

hopefully the BG pulled the bluff and we don't lose CR/he gets a scan off

[lerriuqs]

hopefully the BG pulled the bluff and we don't lose CR/he gets a scan off

I'm sure that won't be a problem...

[Danny]

I died day 2 and yet I still have more posts than 8 of the 11 players left alive :rolleyes:

[Autumn]

I was really hoping for some kind of hint there, if not an independent. So the cultist and independent theories are gone. It seems the "interference" theory is all that's left. Someone was either doing something to Saldana or to Chief during the scan, that's all I can imagine.

I sure hope that guarding the seer wouldn't interfere with the scan. But perhaps a combo of the cultist attacking Chief while he was guarded? Or some unknown role doing something. Martin has said he has a small role, perhaps like mine and he was scanning/investigating/doingsomething to Saldana at the time. but presumably he would have let us know.

I suppose there's nothing to figure out, frustrating. Now all we've got to go on is voting records and there haven't been many of those.

[dubb93]

Having some internet issues this morning. Sorry for the delay.

[dubb93]

As Dawn breaks and you rise from bed you can't help but hear a commotion outside your home. The masses of Metou have taken to the streets. As you struggle to see what this is about you decide to fetch your newspaper. When you look down at the headline it becomes clear:

Prophet Fails to Predict Own Death

You realize that they must be talking about Crystal Oculo. She is the only prophet in all of Metou whom would draw such a crowd with her death. The chants and cries continue to come as mourners from all around Metou flock to the streets all morning. You can't help but wonder where all of these people were when King Schmidty or even King Passacaglia were killed.

Chief Rum has been killed. He was Crystal Oculo.

You are Crystal Oculo. You are the seer. You may scan one player each night to learn if they have a light or dark aura. You may not scan the king. You will read The Dark One as having a light aura.

Night 6 has come to an end. Day 7 has started. Day 7 ends 11p est Tuesday.

1. Barkeep49
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe - Elected King Day 6
5. MartinD
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. <s>Passacaglia</s> - Elected King Day 3, Killed Night 5, Arbitro
8. <s>Telle</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 4
9. The Jackal
10. <s>Danny</s> - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. Autumn
12. <s>Lathum</s> - Lynched Day 5, Follower of The Dark One
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. <s>Chief Rum</s> - Killed Night 6, Crystal Oculo
16. <s>saldana</s> - Lynched Day 6, Vanilla Villager
17. <s>DaddyTorgo</s> - Diffama Fabula - Killed Night 3
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. <s>KWhit</s> - Lynched Day 4, Vanilla Villager
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

[Abe Sargent]

I'm sure that won't be a problem...

Time to explain this comment I think. I thought you were hinting very brazenly that you were the BG and Cr would be guarded tonight. CR wasn't guarded though.

[Chief Rum]

Time to explain this comment I think. I thought you were hinting very brazenly that you were the BG and Cr would be guarded tonight. CR wasn't guarded though.

That's what I was hoping, lmao. :D

All right, folks, good luck. Wish I could have helped more.

[RendeR]

Bah, well we knew it was only a matter of time CR. You did well with the time you had.

[lerriuqs]

Time to explain this comment I think. I thought you were hinting very brazenly that you were the BG and Cr would be guarded tonight. CR wasn't guarded though.
Truth? I was hoping they'd go after me. I'm just a villager - not the bodyguard. I was trying to help get another night or two out of the seer in case the bodyguard did protect CR the night before. The wolves didn't take the bait. And no I don't expect this to get me any kind favour in the eyes of the village.

[SnDvls]

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168)
Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108)
Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194)
DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126)


Day 4 Final Vote Count:

KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440)

Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

Day 5 Final Vote Count:

Lathum Lynch - 11 - Jackal (1510), Autumn (1514), USFL (1526), BK (1546), MartinD (1602), Path (1608), Abe (1614), Saldana (1649), RendeR (1676), Leriuqs (1682), CR (1685),

Lathun Jail - 1 - SnDvls (1565),

Barkeep49 Jail - 1 - Pass (1607)

Did Not Vote: Lathum



Day 6 Final Vote Count:

Saldana Lynch - 11 - USFL (1755), Abe (1756), CR (1757), Lerriuqs (1758), Jackal (1759), Autumn (1761), SnDvls (1762), MartinD (1763), RendeR (1767), BK (1768), Path (1772)

Failed to Vote: Saldana

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[SnDvls]

dola - I put myself as blue as I know I'm a villager

[SnDvls]

vote lynch barkeep

it's all we have to go on from Cr's list of scans and trust/distrust.
He didn't get any weird reads on anyone else, but Saldana which means someone had to have messed with his scan. This is probally the last shot we have at this point.

[RendeR]

dola - I put myself as blue as I know I'm a villager


Glad YOU know that. WE don't know anything of the kind.

[lerriuqs]

Ok...So assuming we started with 4 wolves and a cultist, we have 2 wolves and a cultist to go. So we stand at 7-2 in terms of the count (again assuming the cultist has not been somehow converted). Meaning we have 3 days to go through 6 people.

Autumn, Path and Abe all came up clean so they're either villagers or the cultist. And given we pretty much have to assume the cultist isn't converted, there's no point IMO in going after them.

So we have the following to choose from:
Barkeep
SnDvls
USFL
RendeR
Jackal
myself.

I think a good starting point is USFL - he's been way too far under the radar for my liking.

[SnDvls]

from CR's notes

[quote]No lean either way

lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal

Mild distrust

Barkeep [/qutoe]

[SnDvls]

Glad YOU know that. WE don't know anything of the kind.

make your own list then, I don't care I'm trying to help us out here

[path12]

Three runaway votes don't help the record much.

I'm wondering if it isn't time for reveals. We've got Abe, Autumn and myself cleared by Chief. That leaves:

Barkeep
USFL
MartinD
Jackal
SnDvls
RendeR

If we can expand that circle by two, we can have a majority vote.

[lerriuqs]

Ok...So assuming we started with 4 wolves and a cultist, we have 2 wolves and a cultist to go. So we stand at 8-2 in terms of the count (again assuming the cultist has not been somehow converted). Meaning we have 3 days to go through 7 people.

Autumn, Path and Abe all came up clean so they're either villagers or the cultist. And given we pretty much have to assume the cultist isn't converted, there's no point IMO in going after them.

So we have the following to choose from:
Barkeep
SnDvls
USFL
RendeR
Jackal
MartinD
myself.

I think a good starting point is USFL - he's been way too far under the radar for my liking.

Sorry, that should read as in bold

[path12]

Oops. Forgot to put lerriqus in there. So that's 10 left and we need three more for a majority.

[path12]

Heh. Wasn't just me.

[RendeR]

vote lynch barkeep

it's all we have to go on from Cr's list of scans and trust/distrust.
He didn't get any weird reads on anyone else, but Saldana which means someone had to have messed with his scan. This is probally the last shot we have at this point.


I'm fine with going back to BK, he's kinda been let to slide due to other factors thus far after getting some heat early on.

Not sure I agree with the last shot scenario, we've got what? 10 people left? Are we assuming 2 wolves left or 3? I'd say assume 3 to be safe. so we're 7-3 right now. Of those how many are cleared by CR?

Sadly I have to give up on my jailing is best idea now, the numbers at this point are too close to take time jailing people. SO whomever we vote for it should be a lynch. (no Offense Abe, I'm sure you're a great King and all, but well, we just can't take the time and people away from us hoping you're scanning hits.)

I'll be out during the afternoon for awhile but I'll be back in plenty of time for deadlines tonight.

[Autumn]

I've got to run out wiht the kids, so I won't get a chance to post for a little bit, I"ll be on early afternoon.

[RendeR]

make your own list then, I don't care I'm trying to help us out here


Oh I know, just making sure that got said. Been in too many games where the "helpful villager" just gets passed over somewhere along the way =)

[lerriuqs]

Heh. Wasn't just me.

Nope

[lerriuqs]

I'm fine with going back to BK, he's kinda been let to slide due to other factors thus far after getting some heat early on.

Not sure I agree with the last shot scenario, we've got what? 10 people left? Are we assuming 2 wolves left or 3? I'd say assume 3 to be safe. so we're 7-3 right now. Of those how many are cleared by CR?

Sadly I have to give up on my jailing is best idea now, the numbers at this point are too close to take time jailing people. SO whomever we vote for it should be a lynch. (no Offense Abe, I'm sure you're a great King and all, but well, we just can't take the time and people away from us hoping you're scanning hits.)

I'll be out during the afternoon for awhile but I'll be back in plenty of time for deadlines tonight.

I agree - the jailing helped early on. But it won't any more.

[lerriuqs]

VOTE USFLTECMO LYNCH

I'll put my money where my mouth is...I think he's been too UTR this game - time to get him out here.

[RendeR]

Am I missing something or is the only "willing" role to reveal yet the white Knight? Everyone else has been killed already. Talk about reverting us to a pretty basic WW game at this point. Sheesh.

[path12]

Looking over the roles, it appears the only good one not revealed is the White Knight, unless there are hidden ones (which I'd say is likely given what we've seen to date). That wouldn't get us to the majority anyway.

Gonna be an uphill battle with few meaningful votes.

[RendeR]

I'm good with either BK or Techmo at this point, I definitely agree with the UTR on techmo, but since the first couple days BK has been equally as quiet and that bothers me a bit. BK is normally fairly vocal in game and has some really good insights into people most times.

If I had a choice for tonight I think I'd go with BK more because he's a vet that I've played with a lot more than techmo and I know how good he can be, so my leanings say test him first.

I can go either way though *shrug*.

Other people's thoughts?

[RendeR]

Ok, transportation is here, I'm out for a few hours.

[USFLTecmo]

VOTE USFLTECMO LYNCH

I'll put my money where my mouth is...I think he's been too UTR this game - time to get him out here.

Got anything else on me, or are you gonna just sit there and point fingers?

I'd love to promote another theory, but it's hard to come out with any real idea of what to do when we don't have a flying clue about what's left out there, because of all the hidden stuff that's happening. It'll be a long time before I agree to play in any game that even mentions hidden abilities or rules, because the last few games I've played in have been frustrating as hell for me. Every time I feel I have some sort of grip on what's really happening, I find out I don't.

[The Jackal]

I'd still say the WK shouldn't reveal today unless they are on the chopping block. Yes, that opens things up for another fake reveal, but I don't know that the wolves can afford to fake reveal at this point

We don't really have much to analyze because of all these runaway votes, it's let everyone play at least semi-UTR and not get involved in discussion or have to place meaningful votes

I'll be in and out today, will try and decide on a vote in a few hours

[MartinD]

Or some unknown role doing something. Martin has said he has a small role, perhaps like mine and he was scanning/investigating/doingsomething to Saldana at the time. but presumably he would have let us know.

The inconclusive scan has nothing to do with me - the 'ability' that's associated with my role is a one-shot deal, and I haven't used that one shot yet (mainly because there's a chance that it will benefit the wolves rather than the village...)

[Autumn]

Ok...So assuming we started with 4 wolves and a cultist, we have 2 wolves and a cultist to go. So we stand at 7-2 in terms of the count (again assuming the cultist has not been somehow converted). Meaning we have 3 days to go through 6 people.

Autumn, Path and Abe all came up clean so they're either villagers or the cultist. And given we pretty much have to assume the cultist isn't converted, there's no point IMO in going after them.

So we have the following to choose from:
Barkeep
SnDvls
USFL
RendeR
Jackal
Lerriuqs
MartinD

I think a good starting point is USFL - he's been way too far under the radar for my liking.

Edited to fix the list.

USFL, Martin and BK are all pretty quiet. I have agreed that I'm used to Barkeep being much more active, though I feel that this has been a pretty quiet game all around from most.

I think he's a good target, though I may vote elsewhere. I think we need to really peg a wolf/villager runoff here and so I'd like to see 2-3 in the running.

I"ll look at the voting and see what comes out.

[Abe Sargent]

I'd still say the WK shouldn't reveal today unless they are on the chopping block. Yes, that opens things up for another fake reveal, but I don't know that the wolves can afford to fake reveal at this point

We don't really have much to analyze because of all these runaway votes, it's let everyone play at least semi-UTR and not get involved in discussion or have to place meaningful votes

I'll be in and out today, will try and decide on a vote in a few hours

Agreed. No reveal by WK unless they have something good.

[MartinD]

I'll put out a placeholder for now:

VOTE BARKEEP49 LYNCH

I agree with RendeR that it's getting too late in the game for jail to be an option. Barkeep was a suspect a few days ago, but has been able to survive because of the three consecutive runaway votes - seems sensible to me to put him back in the spotlight now we're in a position where there's no obvious lynch target.

I'll be back on in a few hours to see if there have been any developments.

[USFLTecmo]

Vote Barkeep49 Lynch

1. It's better than voting for myself

2. It's someone that's way more UTR than usual. I'm around where I usually am, even though I've tried to participate more openly, a few days last week kept me from doing what I wanted to in terms of post count, and the runaways killed any attempt at that.

[Autumn]

I will go ahead and vote USFL to keep this race tighter. I may very well switch to a third candidate though if I don't feel like we've got a wolf in the race.

<B>VOTE USFLTECMO LYNCH</b>

[Barkeep49]

The reason I'm still alive is because of the controversy I attracted at first. Let's look at what I attracted controversy for:
1. Wanting Schmidty as king - What's wrong with that?
2. Wanting lynches - Less obviously correct. But why is it obviously incorrect?

I tried to be a little aggressive early so I could get scanned. I said as much after Lathum's false reveal. You shouldn't just vote for me because it's easy. That's what we did yesterday with saldana. It wasn't right. It's not right today.

[Barkeep49]

2. It's someone that's way more UTR than usual.

And what has there been to say? There's a reason that no one is saying anything. Have I been quiet? Sure. That's why Danny was able to make his point about having more posts than many of the alive players.

[MartinD]

You shouldn't just vote for me because it's easy. That's what we did yesterday with saldana. It wasn't right. It's not right today.

Who do you suggest we vote for instead, then?

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, it seems too easy to just jump on BK when there was never that great of evidence to begin with. This is Day Seven, not Day Two.

[dubb93]

May be slightly late tonight. Going out for dinner to The Rathskeller. hxxp://www.rathskeller.com/ . Should be a fun night and a good meal, if I run late I'll have results when I get back.

[RendeR]

Yeah, it seems too easy to just jump on BK when there was never that great of evidence to begin with. This is Day Seven, not Day Two.


This is a good point, we have two front runners for now, lets see what shakes out if we keep it fairly close:


VOTE LYNCH USFLTECHMO

[DaddyTorgo]

how bout you guys win this shit already? hehe

[Barkeep49]

Who do you suggest we vote for instead, then?
Good question. I'm not inclined to go for you because of your soft reveal.

[The Jackal]

Good question. I'm not inclined to go for you because of your soft reveal.

It has to be looked at with caution, though. I don't like hidden roles that have a supposed ability that hasn't been used yet. Who hasn't tried to pull that off as a wolf?

[The Jackal]

I don't know how I feel about BK vs USFL.

Was it CR that said he felt good about SnDvls, and why was it? He hasn't been scanned or anything. I'm just getting a slight feeling here, and since it's 3, we've got time to see if a third candidate makes anything happen.

VOTE SNDVLS

[The Jackal]

VOTE SNDVLS LYNCH

[Barkeep49]

Jackal: That just doesn't make sense to me. You're saying we should vote for someone because the seer felt good abotu them? I agree SnDvls isn't cleared but why look at him as opposed to someone else? Why make it a 3 person race?

[Autumn]

I don't think a 3 person race is a bad idea given that we don't really have anything on anyone. We need some good voting history and narrowing the race from 3 to 2 to 1 should give us something.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote USFL lynch

For now

[path12]

In the interest of keeping it close:

VOTE BARKEEP LYNCH

Usual disclaimers.

And just by the way, when a game is designed or evolves so that little information comes out, exactly what the hell do some of you expect us to talk about? The fucking weather? This is the kind of sniping BS that pisses me off about this game.

[Autumn]

Anyone have a vote count?

[Barkeep49]

4 Barkeep
3 USFL
2 SnDvls

[RendeR]

So who hasn't voted yet? It will be interesting to see where they put their vote.

[SnDvls]

4 Barkeep
3 USFL
2 SnDvls

I have
4 BK
4 USFL
1 SnDvls

[RendeR]

be back after bedtime, gotta take care of the tykes.

[SnDvls]

So who hasn't voted yet? It will be interesting to see where they put their vote.

only person yet to vote is Barkeep and I assume he'll vote USFL

[The Jackal]

I don't think a 3 person race is a bad idea given that we don't really have anything on anyone. We need some good voting history and narrowing the race from 3 to 2 to 1 should give us something.

BK - this is pretty much exactly the reason I wanted a third candidate. I agree with Autumn here, but it doesn't look like it's happening.

And so what if CR "felt good" about him? He never scanned him, he has the same info we have on him.

But if we're set on you vs USFL, I guess I'll withdraw it.

UNVOTE SNDVLS LYNCH

[MartinD]

Last check-in for tonight...

Had a look through today's posts - while I can see why USFLTecmo is being considered, I don't see any reason for switching my vote away from Barkeep. (If I'm wrong about Barkeep, all I can do is apologise - at this point in time, I think that he's the most likely candidate based on the information that we have to work with.)

[The Jackal]

I'm going to work up a real vote count so I can see who is where, sec.

[The Jackal]

And just by the way, when a game is designed or evolves so that little information comes out, exactly what the hell do some of you expect us to talk about? The fucking weather? This is the kind of sniping BS that pisses me off about this game.

From people that are dead, no less. Don't require us to keep you entertained. :D

[The Jackal]

BK 4 - SnDvls (1842), MartinD (1866), USFL (1867), path (1883)
USFL 4 - lerriuqs (1856), Autumn (1868), RendeR (1874), Abe (1882)

not voted - Jackal, BK

[The Jackal]

I don't want a tie and I've felt better about BK anyways.

VOTE LYNCH USFL

[RendeR]

Do we know what happens in the case of a tie? I'd rather avoid it if possible but is there a dynamic in place for a tie?

[The Jackal]

i dont see anything in the rules about ties

[Tyrith]

i dont see anything in the rules about ties

Tie is no lynch, dubb said at some point.

[Barkeep49]

If I live today I will be trying to assemble a case for tomorrow as I don't think USFL is our best bet.

Vote USFL Lynch

[Autumn]

Unfortunately I'm not going to be around tonight. I hoped to watch things develop toward deadline and see what to do. But my kids have other plans with my life it seems.

To make things more interesting for tomorrow's vote record, and since I don't have a read on either one, I'll make it less of a runaway.

<b>UNVOTE USFLTECMO LYNCH
VOTE BARKEEP LYNCH</b>

[path12]

If I live today I will be trying to assemble a case for tomorrow as I don't think USFL is our best bet.

Vote USFL Lynch

Who would you consider our best bet Barkeep, just out of curiousity?

[path12]

From people that are dead, no less. Don't require us to keep you entertained. :D

I actually had a second rant written up about those who feel that all they need to do is show up and post once or twice a day, because that pisses me off just as much.

Then I decided that I didn't need to spread my foul mood all over the thread.

[path12]

BK, I ask also because I'm not totally sold on USFL either.

Going into today, I would have had you, RendeR and squirrel as my top three. RendeR and squirrel (sorry, I'm too old to learn to spell backwards) have done things that have mollified me slightly.

[Schmidty]

It feels like I've been out of this game for weeks.

Pick up the pace, people!!!!

[path12]

So. 13 minutes to deadline and looks like 5-4 Techmo over Barkeep.

And just me and RendeR here.

[dubb93]

So. 13 minutes to deadline and looks like 5-4 Techmo over Barkeep.

And just me and RendeR here.

Deadline is 11p fyi.

[path12]

Oh yeah. I keep forgetting that. Plus I guess it's 5-5 instead of 5-4.

Back in awhile then.

[dubb93]

Tie is no lynch, dubb said at some point.

This is not correct. From the rules:

The king breaks all tie votes

This is from the public rules. The king will know how this works.

[Tyrith]

This is not correct. From the rules:



This is from the public rules. The king will know how this works.

Was that the case if there was no king, or am I just going nuts?

[dubb93]

Was that the case if there was no king, or am I just going nuts?

If the king is unable to break the tie for whatever reason there will be no lynch.

[dubb93]

Day 7 Vote Count (11p Deadline):

Barkeep Lynch - 5 - SnDvls (1842), MartinD (1866), USFLTecmo (1867), Path12 (1883), Autumn (1900)

USFLTecmo Lynch - 5 - Lerriuqs (1856), RendeR (1874), Abe Sargent (1882), The Jackal (1895), Barkeep (1899)

[USFLTecmo]

Looks like this is getting rather interesting.

[RendeR]

So, who will Abe choose?

[path12]

I'm willing to let Abe break the tie.

I'd feel better about it if I saw him around though.

[USFLTecmo]

Probably me. I add less value than BK if he's good and I am too. On the other hand, I have a sinking feeling he's not good, I am, I'll go anyway, and he'll get away scot-free.

[lerriuqs]

I'm willing to let Abe break the tie.

I'd feel better about it if I saw him around though.

I was thinking the same thing. We can't let this go to a tie with no Abe.

[path12]

BK, I ask also because I'm not totally sold on USFL either.

Going into today, I would have had you, RendeR and squirrel as my top three. RendeR and squirrel (sorry, I'm too old to learn to spell backwards) have done things that have mollified me slightly.

On the other hand I have to note that all of these three are on USFLTecmo. I'd expect that of Barkeep though.

[path12]

Dubb, can you say if a conditional tiebreak has been received? (or whatever the procedure is)

[USFLTecmo]

Squirrel still hasn't answered me about why he targeted me, other than "UTR," which is about par for the course for me. Keep that in mind after I die, please.

[lerriuqs]

Squirrel still hasn't answered me about why he targeted me, other than "UTR," which is about par for the course for me. Keep that in mind after I die, please.

We have not much else to go on, though there were some posts that I questioned from a day or two ago...

[lerriuqs]

UNVOTE LYNCH USFL

VOTE LYNCH BARKEEP

I don't want to risk a tie with no Abe. Abe can still change it back if he shows in the first 10 minutes.

[USFLTecmo]

And you didn't bring them up earlier in the day why? Even when I asked you to? That smells, IMO.

[path12]

Squirrel still hasn't answered me about why he targeted me, other than "UTR," which is about par for the course for me. Keep that in mind after I die, please.

Someone on the list had to go up. Other than the wolves none of us have any info so while if your good those who vote for you will come under some suspicion, it's a reasonable guess given the participation level. Nothing personal.

[RendeR]

Veeeeellly interrlllesting

[lerriuqs]

And you didn't bring them up earlier in the day why? Even when I asked you to? That smells, IMO.

Missed it actually. Been busy at work.

[path12]

UNVOTE LYNCH USFL

VOTE LYNCH BARKEEP

I don't want to risk a tie with no Abe. Abe can still change it back if he shows in the first 10 minutes.

Now THAT makes it interesting.

[path12]

I was ready to switch but not now.

[USFLTecmo]

Someone on the list had to go up. Other than the wolves none of us have any info so while if your good those who vote for you will come under some suspicion, it's a reasonable guess given the participation level. Nothing personal.

It wouldn't bother me so much, except this is par for the course for any lynch vote involving me late. Someone popping in with a new thought, or a new question, a long time after I asked them to bring it to the table earlier. Given it's a pattern, it's very frustrating.

[path12]

Well squirrel, you're either a hero or you just painted a target on yourself. :)

[dubb93]

Deadline

[dubb93]

Day 7 Final Vote Count:

Barkeep Lynch - 6 - SnDvls (1842), MartinD (1866), USFLTecmo (1867), Path12 (1883), Autumn (1900), Lerriuqs (1921)

USFLTecmo Lynch - 4 - RendeR (1874), Abe Sargent (1882), The Jackal (1895), Barkeep (1899)

[lerriuqs]

I was ready to switch but not now.

The way I was reading this - the King has to make a decision or there'd be no lynch. Therefore, in case Abe didn't show, we can't afford a no lynch today.

[path12]

It wouldn't bother me so much, except this is par for the course for any lynch vote involving me late. Someone popping in with a new thought, or a new question, a long time after I asked them to bring it to the table earlier. Given it's a pattern, it's very frustrating.

Yeah, I get that. But some games you just don't have a lot to go on, y'know? This is my first game with you but I've got absolutely no handle on how you think because you haven't said much.

If you put your thoughts out there with reasoning as the game goes along, then the other players get an idea of where you're coming from and can then judge you more fairly.

Or.....you can also keep in mind that there are at least three players left in this game who WANT the good guys to die. That's frustrating when you're one of the good guys and get targeted.....

[lerriuqs]

Well squirrel, you're either a hero or you just painted a target on yourself. :)

So be it. I have nothing but the best interests of the village at heart here.

[path12]

The way I was reading this - the King has to make a decision or there'd be no lynch. Therefore, in case Abe didn't show, we can't afford a no lynch today.

I agree with you about needing to lynch here. I didn't expect Dubb to answer my question but had to put it out there anyways.

[path12]

So be it. I have nothing but the best interests of the village at heart here.

I'd be interested to see your trust list after the lynch. I'd be interested to see everyone's, as a matter of fact.

[path12]

Just as an aside while we're waiting, that unclear seer vision really put us behind the 8-ball, especially after Lathum's stunt.

[USFLTecmo]

Yeah, I get that. But some games you just don't have a lot to go on, y'know? This is my first game with you but I've got absolutely no handle on how you think because you haven't said much.

If you put your thoughts out there with reasoning as the game goes along, then the other players get an idea of where you're coming from and can then judge you more fairly.

Or.....you can also keep in mind that there are at least three players left in this game who WANT the good guys to die. That's frustrating when you're one of the good guys and get targeted.....

I understand I'm fair game to be targeted at any time. It is the game, after all. Like I pointed out earlier, though, I'm usually targeted for the quiet reason. I have a hard time posting in games where I don't fully understand the rules, what with the hidden ball tricks going on in this game so far, with the Abe hidden role, and especially the saldana scan. The saldana scan pretty much shut me up for the day, because now I'm leery about just about everyone knowing something I don't, especially a wolf making a play that makes something I might have just said look very suspect.

Anyway, I then ask if they have anything more, and the person finally gets back to me way too late to do any good with any explanation I have. If I'd know earlier why the "other" reason I'm being targeted is, I'd have half a chance. Tonight, I was saved because Squirrel was on me and didn't want the game mechanics to screw us over. Usually doesn't happen that way.

[lerriuqs]

Just as an aside while we're waiting, that unclear seer vision really put us behind the 8-ball, especially after Lathum's stunt.

Yes it did - no idea what happened there...

[path12]

But dude, you can't just not talk because you might be wrong. Hell, you're gonna be wrong way more often than not in this game.

I've gone full-bore attack on people on nothing more than gut. If you're vanilla I think you have to play the game very aggressively like that for two reasons -- you've got nothing to go on besides what is said in thread; and if you are wrong and end up getting lynched the village doesn't lose a role.

[dubb93]

As the day comes to an end the mob turns on one of the men who was instrumental in forming the lynch mob in the beginning. When battle lines were drawn and the kingdom of Metou split on lynching or jailing Barkeep never wavered in his support for spilling blood.

That was a long time ago. There is no question that Barkeep has blood on his hands. Blood of innocent men on his hands. One could argue that had Barkeep not been so adamant in pushing for lynches such a long time ago there would be no mob to turn on him today. Nevertheless here we are. Barkeep has a look of terror on his face. He is now forced to feel the terror he helped descend onto Metou.

Mob mentality has taken over and Barkeep must sense it as he doesn't even put up a fight. In the chaos someone decides to throw a rock that strikes Barkeep in the head. As it turns out this is a blessing in disguise as Barkeep is not conscious for what comes next.

In the end the mob falls upon the home of Barkeep. Barkeep lies motionless in a pile of blood in the yard. The mob searches the home for hours tearing it apart all for not. You find nothing. Barkeep was a simple man with a simple life. You have murdered an innocent today.

Barkeep was a Vanilla Villager.

Day 7 has come to and end. Night 7 has started. Night 7 ends 10a EST Wednesday.

1. <s>Barkeep49</s> - Lynched Day 7, Vanilla Villager
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe - Elected King Day 6
5. MartinD
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. <s>Passacaglia</s> - Elected King Day 3, Killed Night 5, Arbitro
8. <s>Telle</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 4
9. The Jackal
10. <s>Danny</s> - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. Autumn
12. <s>Lathum</s> - Lynched Day 5, Follower of The Dark One
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. <s>Chief Rum</s> - Killed Night 6, Crystal Oculo
16. <s>saldana</s> - Lynched Day 6, Vanilla Villager
17. <s>DaddyTorgo</s> - Diffama Fabula - Killed Night 3
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. <s>KWhit</s> - Lynched Day 4, Vanilla Villager
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

[path12]

Yes it did - no idea what happened there...

I know when designing a game sometimes a mechanic doesn't turn out as you had originally planned. I have a feeling that is the case here, because for whatever reason that ended up being really unbalancing IMO.

[lerriuqs]

Bah...though I didn't see Abe here - a no lynch was worse...

[path12]

Aw fuck.

Sorry. Do we swear in games anymore?

[dubb93]

I know when designing a game sometimes a mechanic doesn't turn out as you had originally planned. I have a feeling that is the case here, because for whatever reason that ended up being really unbalancing IMO.

Whatever caused the view CR had when he scanned that night worked exactly as I intended. Lets keep the discussion here in game. We can discuss the balance after the game.

[path12]

Trust:
Abe
Autumn
myself

All the rest are neutral as far as I can tell now, in my order from most neutral to least:

squirrel
USFLTecmo
RendeR
MartinD
The Jackal
SnDvls

[dubb93]

Aw fuck.

Sorry. Do we swear in games anymore?

Yes we do.

[path12]

Whatever caused the view CR had when he scanned that night worked exactly as I intended. Lets keep the discussion here in game. We can discuss the balance after the game.

That's cool. Just passin' the time.

[path12]

Trust:
Abe
Autumn
myself

All the rest are neutral as far as I can tell now, in my order from most neutral to least:

squirrel
USFLTecmo
RendeR
MartinD
The Jackal
SnDvls

Just to go a bit deeper (I want to get this out in case I'm offed tonight).

squirrel made the vote shift and put himself on the line. Since Barkeep was a villager that is bad....except that his reasonings seemed sound. If it turns out USFL is a wolf, then odds are that squirrel is bad as well.

USFL also is just gut based on his responses.

I have no idea what to think about MartinD.

SnDvls is being helpful. This can be a ploy.

Jackal is quiet, and RendeR is RendeR dialed back a bit. I would bet the car that one of Jackal, SnDvls and RendeR are bad.

But I don't have a great car. Come and get me you wolfy bastards, because I got nothin.

[lerriuqs]

Trust:
Abe
Autumn
path

My list - from most neutral to least:
squirrel
RendeR
SnDvls
USFLTecmo
The Jackal
MartinD

This is off the top of my head - but I won't have time to do what I want to do which is go through posts to find something more before tomorrow's lynch.

FTR, I'll be out at a conference all day and not back till after 7 ET.

Night all.

[SnDvls]

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168)
Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108)
Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194)
DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126)


Day 4 Final Vote Count:

KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440)

Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

Day 5 Final Vote Count:

Lathum Lynch - 11 - Jackal (1510), Autumn (1514), USFL (1526), BK (1546), MartinD (1602), Path (1608), Abe (1614), Saldana (1649), RendeR (1676), Leriuqs (1682), CR (1685),

Lathun Jail - 1 - SnDvls (1565),

Barkeep49 Jail - 1 - Pass (1607)

Did Not Vote: Lathum



Day 6 Final Vote Count:

Saldana Lynch - 11 - USFL (1755), Abe (1756), CR (1757), Lerriuqs (1758), Jackal (1759), Autumn (1761), SnDvls (1762), MartinD (1763), RendeR (1767), BK (1768), Path (1772)

Failed to Vote: Saldana


Day 7 Final Vote Count:

Barkeep Lynch - 6 - SnDvls (1842), MartinD (1866), USFLTecmo (1867), Path12 (1883), Autumn (1900), Lerriuqs (1921)

USFLTecmo Lynch - 4 - RendeR (1874), Abe Sargent (1882), The Jackal (1895), Barkeep (1899)



my do not trust list

RendeR
USFL
Lerriuqs
.

[lerriuqs]

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168)
Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108)
Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194)
DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126)


Day 4 Final Vote Count:

KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440)

Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

Day 5 Final Vote Count:

Lathum Lynch - 11 - Jackal (1510), Autumn (1514), USFL (1526), BK (1546), MartinD (1602), Path (1608), Abe (1614), Saldana (1649), RendeR (1676), Leriuqs (1682), CR (1685),

Lathun Jail - 1 - SnDvls (1565),

Barkeep49 Jail - 1 - Pass (1607)

Did Not Vote: Lathum



Day 6 Final Vote Count:

Saldana Lynch - 11 - USFL (1755), Abe (1756), CR (1757), Lerriuqs (1758), Jackal (1759), Autumn (1761), SnDvls (1762), MartinD (1763), RendeR (1767), BK (1768), Path (1772)

Failed to Vote: Saldana


Day 7 Final Vote Count:

Barkeep Lynch - 6 - SnDvls (1842), MartinD (1866), USFLTecmo (1867), Path12 (1883), Autumn (1900), Lerriuqs (1921)

USFLTecmo Lynch - 4 - RendeR (1874), Abe Sargent (1882), The Jackal (1895), Barkeep (1899)



my do not trust list

RendeR
USFL
Lerriuqs
.

Thanks for that update - but why do you trust Jackal and Martin?

[SnDvls]

Thanks for that update - but why do you trust Jackal and Martin?

not that I trust them per say, but more than the 3 I listed...voting, vibe etc.

[The Jackal]

I actually had a second rant written up about those who feel that all they need to do is show up and post once or twice a day, because that pisses me off just as much.

Then I decided that I didn't need to spread my foul mood all over the thread.

I agree. There are certainly times when you can only pop in once or twice a day, but if you commit to one of these games, posting 1-3 times a day makes things less fun for all.

[The Jackal]

Bah, just finished catching up. FWIW I don't know if USFL is our best bet tomorrow but I'm not against it. Let me work up my "trust list" here.

[RendeR]

my do not trust list

RendeR
USFL
Lerriuqs
.


Why do you distrust me? Just curious. I've been trying to sort through things whenever I've been on. I've been trying to convince everyone of the smartest plays all along. Not sure what more I can offer?

[The Jackal]

From most trusted to least trusted:

Abe
Autumn
Path

RendeR
USFL
lerriuqs
SND
martin

I put the space in there on purpose, because I have very little to go on with that bottom list. That order is based on pure feeling, at the moment, full of scotch. :)

I'm quite skeptical of Martin because I haven't played with him much, and I know he's been quiet most of the time, -and- I know most people have been quiet in this game, but I barely recall hearing from him. SND also .. CR gave him a gut trust, but I don't take much from that, just because he was the seer doesn't mean he had a good read on everyone.

Lerriuqs has made some posts that pinged me, though I know at least one of them he said was a ploy to trick wolves. Not sure what to take from that.

USFL and RendeR I really have no read on.

Hopefully the WK hits on a block tonight or something else beneficial happens for us, because it's starting to look dire..

[Abe Sargent]

Bah...though I didn't see Abe here - a no lynch was worse...

If you honestly thought I wouldn't have taken care of that, you are silly.

[MartinD]

I've previously posted in the thread that, while I'm a villager, my role could potentially be helpful for the wolves. That is still true, but only holds if I get targeted by the wolves in a night phase.

The wolves have a couple of easy options to move them closer to winning the game at this point - just night-kill one of the guys in the circle of trust. Going after me might seem to be riskier on the surface, but is likely to be more beneficial to the wolves - I just don't think that they have the guts.

Well, wolves? What are you waiting for?

[Autumn]

Well, a disappointing lynch but at least we got some interesting voting history to go off of. I didn't think I had tied it with my vote, last count I was looking at said I made it within one. But I wanted to keep it close to see what people would do.

[Autumn]

We were guessing we were 8-2 or 7-3 before this lynch, right? So we're down to 7-2 or 6-3. If the Dark One is back those wolves contain at least one brutal (I sure hope Dubb didn't make another wolf brutal as well). If the kill tonight is blocked we're in not horrible shape. If they get a kill tonight though they make it 6-2 or 5-3, which is a tough spot to be in without a good voting record.

I wonder if we shouldn't be jailling people now and stretching the game out. Without a seer Abe is our last chance at any scans and we need some luck. We also can't afford to lynch villagers, especially not if the Dark One is back and we have a brutal still to take out.

[dubb93]

Processing

[dubb93]

Night once again gives way to day in Metou and you rush out the door to grab your morning paper. You look down at the headline and are saddened to read:

Fall of the Order

You read on:

The last living member of an elite order of knights has been slain. The White Knight was found dead last night after an obvious struggle............

You can't help but wonder who could have possibly done such a thing? Who could possibly kill a knight such as The White Knight?

Autumn was The White Knight

The White Knight has a 100% chance to block a kill attempt done by a follower of The Dark One although he is unable to learn the identity of one if he blocks a night kill attempt. If The White Knight guards the same target The Dark One is attempting to kill The White Knight will find himself unable to stop the attack and the victim will be killed while The White Knight will survive.

The Order of Righteousness -

You are the bodyguards. You may not send the same character to guard on consecutive nights and may not guard the same character on consecutive nights. May choose to guard the prison rather than a player. Lord Righteous has a 0% chance to ID any followers even on a successful prison raid block. If the prison is guarded there is a 100% chance the raid by The Dark One's followers will fail. May not guard the prison on consecutive nights. May protect players that are in prison, however, if the prison is raided on that night you will not block a prison raid only a night kill attempt on that player. You have PM rights.

Night 7 has ended. Day 8 has started. Day 8 ends 11p est Wednesday.

1. <s>Barkeep49</s> - Lynched Day 7, Vanilla Villager
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe - Elected King Day 6
5. MartinD
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. <s>Passacaglia</s> - Elected King Day 3, Killed Night 5, Arbitro
8. <s>Telle</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 4
9. The Jackal
10. <s>Danny</s> - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. <s>Autumn</s> - Killed Night 7, The White Knight
12. <s>Lathum</s> - Lynched Day 5, Follower of The Dark One
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. <s>Chief Rum</s> - Killed Night 6, Crystal Oculo
16. <s>saldana</s> - Lynched Day 6, Vanilla Villager
17. <s>DaddyTorgo</s> - Diffama Fabula - Killed Night 3
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. <s>KWhit</s> - Lynched Day 4, Vanilla Villager
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

[Autumn]

Ah, parting is such sweet sorrow. Good luck guys.

[Abe Sargent]

Damn. Thanks Autumn.

[USFLTecmo]

Abe and squirrel are about as trusted as I can get right now. Squirrel doesn't make that move as a wolf, IMO, because it puts the target squarely on him. I know I'm a villager, and BK was one too, and squirrel would know that if he was a wolf, and not made a move either way, as a no lynch benefits the wolves as well. Thus, I have nearly complete trust in him, not QUITE Abe-level, but close.

The rest of us, well, you've got me. Who's got a thought?

[USFLTecmo]

Going to be quiet for the next little while, writing up the championship game in the league I run before posting it. I'll poke my head in periodically, though.

[path12]

Abe and squirrel are about as trusted as I can get right now. Squirrel doesn't make that move as a wolf, IMO, because it puts the target squarely on him. I know I'm a villager, and BK was one too, and squirrel would know that if he was a wolf, and not made a move either way, as a no lynch benefits the wolves as well. Thus, I have nearly complete trust in him, not QUITE Abe-level, but close.

The rest of us, well, you've got me. Who's got a thought?

While I appreciate your assertion of being a villager, the only way we get a real read on squirrel is to find out what you are for sure.

What I'm pondering currently is the jail idea that Autumn floated before his untimely death.

[Abe Sargent]

path is a villager as scanned by CR.

[RendeR]

My own list looks something like this:

Abe and Path and myself (yes I know the commentary on naming one's self)

no read at all: Jackal and Martin

suspect: Squirrel, SnDvls and Techmo

SnDvls basically because I know I'm good and he's tried to push suspicion at me a couple times now.

Squirrel and techmo I don't know playstyles for that well, but both were quiet early and only got more vocal as there weren't many folks left (please note this is just a perception, I've been really busy during this game and will gladly admit I could be wrong)

[USFLTecmo]

Vote lynch MartinD

Let's see what happens from here.

[SnDvls]

SnDvls basically because I know I'm good and he's tried to push suspicion at me a couple times now.




There's a big leap.

I put your name on my do not trust list yesterday...when else have I mentioned your name?

[SnDvls]

dola - I think the pushing someone's name here is reversed as you've pushed my name several times.

[path12]

path is a villager as scanned by CR.

And a damn poor one judging from my play this game.

[path12]

Jail vs. lynch. I'm seriously considering that a 20% chance of scan is better than no roles left but a cultist and wolves at this point.

Discuss.

[USFLTecmo]

No BG's are left, so the wolves can keep killing the king to their heart's content. Putting someone in jail is akin to killing them, but without finding their role. It's not the smart play right now.

[Abe Sargent]

This game is going sloowly.

[MartinD]

Vote lynch MartinD

Let's see what happens from here.

I'd be interested to find out the thinking behind this vote...

There's no way for me to prove this short of getting myself lynched or night-killed, but I'm a villager - one with the ability to kill off another player when I get killed, yes, but still a villager. (It probably doesn't come as much of a surprise that USFLTecmo is fairly high on my list when I send in my conditional kill order for Day 8...)

[MartinD]

Jail vs. lynch. I'm seriously considering that a 20% chance of scan is better than no roles left but a cultist and wolves at this point.

Discuss.

If we go for a lynch, we lose a player with no chance of getting them back. We have no bodyguard, so the wolves will be able to kill off one villager each day (unless they find the cultist, of course).

If we go with the jail option, we lose a player from the point of view of the villagers:wolves ratio, but that player can potentially be brought back into play. We also get a 1 in 5 chance of a successful scan for each day that player is in jail. The wolves still get their night-kill each day, though, so the amount of time available is limited - with only a 20% chance of a successful scan per jailed person per day, the odds are against a successful scan, and even more against finding a wolf that way.

If I'm being honest, I think that it's a bit late in the game for jailing a player to be a viable option for giving us more information - while lynching carries its own risks (most notably that there's no way to reverse a lynch, unlike when someone is thrown in jail), I think that the village needs to take those risks in order to win the game.

Just my opinion, of course, but my vote today will be for a lynch.

[USFLTecmo]

Why, because I went a different direction in order to get some conversation started?

Even if it ends up hurting me later, now we have that piece of information out there, so that helps us out.

[MartinD]

My current impressions/thoughts on the state of the game:

Trust
Abe Sargent
path12

RendeR
The Jackal
SnDvls

USFLTecmo
lerriuqs
Distrust

(Gaps in the list are deliberate, and indicate a sizable difference in the level of trust.)

Reasoning: Abe and path were scanned as good by the seer - as we still have the cultist out there (to the best of our knowledge), this isn't a guarantee that they're good, but I think that I have to take the chance that these guys are definitely on the side of good at this point.

The move that lerriuqs pulled just before deadline yesterday looks very bad, as it consigned a villager to the lynch mob. It also doesn't reflect well on USFLTecmo - I think that we have to lynch one of these guys today - if one comes up wolf, there's a very good chance that the other will be a wolf too.

The guys in the middle are harder to judge (as there isn't all that much useful information available), but chances are that at least one of these guys must be a wolf (or the cultist).

[MartinD]

Why, because I went a different direction in order to get some conversation started?

Even if it ends up hurting me later, now we have that piece of information out there, so that helps us out.

I wasn't complaining that you were picking on me - just wondering why you decided to go for me over one of the other guys.

[SnDvls]

vote lynch RendeR

I've only my gut to go on. I'm of the opinion that at this point in the game if we aren't getting a wolf lynched we're going to lose anyhow.

[The Jackal]

What I'm pondering currently is the jail idea that Autumn floated before his untimely death.

Which jail idea is that?

[The Jackal]

Just got around, sorry for my absence this morning/afternoon. I see that we still win if the wolves are in jail, but I'm not sure if that's beneficial to us.

We would eliminate the chance of lynching a villager, which we have a higher probability of doing, and be able to release that person so that they'd count to the ratio if they got a good scan or new info got released. Hrm.

Martin - I'm pretty sure if I am going to vote to lynch it's going to be on you unless you come clean about what kind of ability you have. If it's a one-shot thing and it'd probably benefit the wolves, why would it hurt to tell us what it is? I can understand not saying anything if you want to keep your role hidden from the wolves, but we're out of bodyguards and our seer, so if there's anyway to get info out there it needs to happen soon.

[The Jackal]

So best case we're at 6-2. Other cases are we're 6-2 with a cultist, or 5-3. If it's 5-3 and we lynch the wrong person or even put the wrong person in jail, the game could end tonight.

I haven't gotten an endgame vibe off of anyone, so I think it's more likely we're looking at 6-2, but we should definitely be coordinating on this vote. Abe - what are you thinking?

[MartinD]

Which jail idea is that?

I suspect that it's this:

I wonder if we shouldn't be jailling people now and stretching the game out. Without a seer Abe is our last chance at any scans and we need some luck. We also can't afford to lynch villagers, especially not if the Dark One is back and we have a brutal still to take out.

I can see the thinking behind this, but don't think that it's the village's best chance of winning the game - the king only has a 20% chance of a successful scan, and I feel that we don't have enough time left to have a reasonable chance of getting even one scan from this. (Of course, we could get lucky and get a successful scan at the first time of asking, but we can't rely on that.)

One other thought about this - if I understand the rules correctly, we cannot guard the prison (as there are no members of the Order of Righteousness remaining), so any attack on the prison by the wolves will be successful.

[The Jackal]

And I'm more than willing to listen to the merits of a jailing plan if you want to float it out there, path. But it needs to make sense.

[The Jackal]

Thanks for re-posting that, Martin. I'm skeptical that jailing people is going to stretch out the game.

[MartinD]

Martin - I'm pretty sure if I am going to vote to lynch it's going to be on you unless you come clean about what kind of ability you have. If it's a one-shot thing and it'd probably benefit the wolves, why would it hurt to tell us what it is? I can understand not saying anything if you want to keep your role hidden from the wolves, but we're out of bodyguards and our seer, so if there's anyway to get info out there it needs to happen soon.

See my post above - my role is effectively 'brutal villager', in that I can select a player to kill off if I am lynched or night-killed.

As I said above, there's no way I can prove that I'm being honest about this short of getting myself killed, so you need to decide if I'm telling the truth on this one.

[The Jackal]

See my post above - my role is effectively 'brutal villager', in that I can select a player to kill off if I am lynched or night-killed.

As I said above, there's no way I can prove that I'm being honest about this short of getting myself killed, so you need to decide if I'm telling the truth on this one.

Wow, don't know how I missed that, my bad.

[USFLTecmo]

I'm going to buy Martin's story for now. If it's true, we're that much closer to losing if he goes and knocks me off.

Unvote Lynch MartinD
Vote Lynch RendeR

If SnDvls is voting RendeR, there's a good chance that one's a wolf and one isn't, based on my line of thinking that squirrel is also good, which is based on the line of thinking that I'm good, which no one seems to believe, nor have I really been able to prove it.

[MartinD]

Wow, don't know how I missed that, my bad.

No worries - it's not easy to pick up every little point on a first read through the thread.

[path12]

And I'm more than willing to listen to the merits of a jailing plan if you want to float it out there, path. But it needs to make sense.

Well, after arguing for lynches for practically the whole damn game the only reason I have now is due to my concerns that if there are three wolves we could be down to it tomorrow.

If there are only two then add a day to that, but we've also got to face the fact now that with Autumn gone it's likely that Abe and I will be killed in the next couple days, so trusted folks are gonna be hard to find...

So I don't have any great scheme where jailing is the end-all be-all but wanted to at least see what others thought.

As for tonight, I won't be around near deadline. I think the target needs to be either USFL or squirrel, since anyone else is a hunch and at least this gives us a bit of clarity into last nights vote, which is the only real close one we have with a lynch on the line.

[The Jackal]

I'm not sure how I feel about that role reveal. It almost seems like something the brutal wolf would say, but I suppose I could see it in the game for balancing. I'll let some discussion go on before I make any decisions, but I don't know how I feel about following USFL and SND on a vote choice.

[RendeR]

vote lynch RendeR

I've only my gut to go on. I'm of the opinion that at this point in the game if we aren't getting a wolf lynched we're going to lose anyhow.


A- I've mentioned you once, today, the rest of the game I haven't even considered you other than to respond to things others have said.

B- Your gut has led you...where? thus far in the game?

C- I'd rather not bring it up but since I'm getting votes I'd like to remind folks that I was at least semi-trusted by CR who tends to read my play entirely too well for my own liking. Beyond that all i can say is that I'm a vanilla villager. its not like I can whip up some fake reveal at this point, all the real roles are dead.

D- you've come out in posts at least twice now stating that you dislike something about how I'm playing or that I've been quieter than normal and not causing problems. I tried to clarify the attitude change to everyone early on in the game but apparently not everyone reads around here. I've grown tired of being the angry bear and I've stepped down my overall play style to help avoid unnecessary blow ups like I've had inthe past.

if you don;t like that so fucking BE IT.

[Abe Sargent]

So best case we're at 6-2. Other cases are we're 6-2 with a cultist, or 5-3. If it's 5-3 and we lynch the wrong person or even put the wrong person in jail, the game could end tonight.

I haven't gotten an endgame vibe off of anyone, so I think it's more likely we're looking at 6-2, but we should definitely be coordinating on this vote. Abe - what are you thinking?

I think finding out about USFL gives us info about lerriuqs

[path12]

I'll check again before I'm out of here but:

VOTE LYNCH LERRIUQS

For the reasons stated above.

[Abe Sargent]

I don;t really have a wolf vibe from RendeR but I am getting a low key vibe from him and I have to wonder why.

[MartinD]

I'll be done for the night after this, so had best post my vote.

It's a pretty simple choice from my point of view - I believe that we need to lynch either lerriuqs or USFLTecmo at this point, because of lerriuqs' late vote switch to save USFLTecmo over a villager yesterday. I suspect that if one turns out to be a wolf, the other will also be a wolf.

VOTE USFLTECMO LYNCH