Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS)

[dubb93]

Welcome to Metou. Metou is a medieval land filled with knights and magic. Metou is also a land that lives in fear of The Dark One. The Dark One is the most feared knight in all the land. For reasons unknown, he is also ageless. Very few knights have ever encountered The Dark One and lived to tell about it. Even fewer still live. While time itself has claimed The Dark One's greatest enemies he lives on to strike terror into the land. The only two living knights that fought The Dark One and lived to tell about it are Lord Righteous and Arbitro.

The recent actions of The Dark One are even more worrying to the people of Metou than any prior action of his in the past. For the first time ever The Dark One has killed the king! What does he have planned? No one knows for sure but the newspaper articles from Diffama Fabula, a very well known fear monger, have painted a picture of The Dark One planning on taking over Metou now once and for all.

One thing is for sure, we are on the eve of a very important election. We are electing a new king. As is customary the newly elected king will serve until his death. And even worse, rumors are spreading that one of the candidates could very well be The Dark One himself.
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This game can hold an unlimited number of players with a hopeful minimum being set at 20 for balance purposes. The start date is tentatively set for Monday June 8th.

[dubb93]

Roles:

The King – The King is able to change one vote during his tenure. Each elected king has this power. The king may not change a lynch vote if he is the lynch target. The king is also in charge of Woebegone Prison. The king may each night if he/she chooses decide the fate a prisoner. The king is able to free a prisoner or execute a prisoner if he/she chooses to do so each night. The king breaks all tie votes. The king may not be jailed or scanned by the seer. All decisions regarding prisoners must be done in public and in bold so that discussion may follow. These decisions are to be done during the night phase and are limited to no more than one prisoner per night. The king may elect to leave the prisoners as is and not free or execute any prisoner during any night phase if he/she so chooses.

Order of Righteousness - A legendary order of elite knights. The Order of Righteousness have long fought The Dark One and his followers. They do not answer to the king and are free to act as they wish. These are the bodyguards. May not send the same character to guard each night and
may not guard the same character on consecutive nights. May choose to guard the prison rather than a player. Lord Righteous has a 0% chance to ID any followers even on a successful prison raid block. If the prison is guarded there is a 100% chance the raid by The Dark One's followers will fail. May not guard the prison on consecutive. May protect players that are in prison, however, if the prison is raided on that night you will not block a prison raid only a night kill attempt on that player. They have PM rights.

Lord Righteous - A 100% chance to block kill attempts done by The Dark One or any followers of The Dark One. Also has a 50% chance to learn the identity of any followers of The Dark One on a blocked night kill attempted by that person. Lord Righteous will not be able to ID The Dark One.

Lord Righteous was once a powerful knight in service of the king. When the king proved unwilling to hunt down and kill The Dark One, Lord Righteous resigned and formed his own order. At its peak the Order of Righteousness once boasted nearly 20 knights. Battles with The Dark One have reduced this number to just two. Lord Righteous dresses his knights in all white.

The White Knight - The White Knight has a 100% chance to block a kill attempt done by a follower of The Dark One although he is unable to learn the identity of one if he blocks a night kill attempt. If The White Knight guards the same target The Dark One is attempting to kill The White Knight will find himself unable to stop the attack and the victim will be killed while The White Knight will survive.

The last surviving knight of The Order of Righteousness The White Knight adopted the name in honor of his armor. The White Knight is not a particularly skilled knight, he is merely adequate. The fact that he is the lone surviving knight of the order has more to do with the fact that he has never actually been in combat with The Dark One.

Crystal Oculo - Crystal is the seer. Each night she may look at a player and determine if they have a light or dark aura. The Dark One always shows up as light. May not scan the king. May scan players in jail.

Crystal is a celebrity around Metou as the most accurate prophet of her time.

Arbitro - More than just a normal citizen of Metuo, Arbitro was once a great knight in service of the King. Arbitro was once The Dark One's arch nemesis, who unlike The Dark One, aged with time. Arbitro's advancing age has made way for The Order of Righteousness, however, Arbitro has one
last fight left in him. If he is attacked by The Dark One he will not only fight him to a draw, he will learn the identity of The Dark One. However, if a follower of The Dark One attacks Arbitro they will kill the once great knight. Arbitro just isn't able to get excited about a fight with anyone except The Dark One.

Diffama Fabula - May submit a newspaper report as a night action.

Diffama is the worlds most famous journalist. She has spent her life speculating on what is going to happen next. Her word is nearly as well read as the word of god and has far reaching consequences.

Drago Prodo - If attempted to be night killed by The Dark One, Drago will become a follower. If any other follower attempts to kill Drago, Drago will be killed as a follower would not dare disobey a kill order from The Dark One. You do not know who The Dark One or his followers are. You count as a villager unless you are converted. You win with The Followers of the Dark One.

Drago is a skilled seer and may scan one player each night to determine that player's aura. Will read The Dark One as having a light aura. Drago has spent his life studying The Dark One and as such has himself become corrupted. While not a skilled knight The Dark One may yet have use for Drago. If Drago becomes converted he is only able to have a 50% success rate on a kill attempt and will himself be killed if he encounters a member of The Order of Righteousness. Drago performs kills with poison. While lethal, with Drago having no formal combat training and instead living the life of a scholar, Drago finds himself having trouble getting close enough to administer the poison. If Drago does not become converted he still may have a chance to perform a night kill. There also may be other conversion mechanics at work to get Drago on the side of The Dark One. However these mechanics are known only to Drago.

This is only a list of named villager roles. It can be assumed there will be other light aura/dark aura roles that do not carry an actual name with them. These roles could either be standard werewolf roles or roles unique to this game.

The Dark One and his followers - Evil. That is the easiest word to describe this group. The Dark One has total control of his followers and strikes fear into the land of Metuo. They have PM rights with each other. The Dark One may not send himself or any followers on consecutive nights to do a kill. May also not attempt a prison break on two or more nights in a row. If only one evil player left that player may make night kill attempts on consecutive nights.

The Dark One - May submit a story to the newspaper each night. Will be submitted as Diffama Fabula. May also delegate a night kill each night. The Dark One is cunning as well as being brutal. May choose to forgo a night kill and raid the Woebegone Prison. If Woebegone Prison is not guarded by The Order of Righteousness all prisoners inside will be freed. May himself kill a prisoner in Woebegone Prison as a night kill. The Dark One is also said to have other, more sinister powers at his disposal.

There will be other followers in service of The Dark One.
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Rules:

Prison-

Woebegone prison is not a place that ANYONE would look forward to going. For game purposes players may be jailed rather than lynched. While in prison the prisoners fate is in the hands of the king. There is a 20% chance each night that a prisoners aura will be revealed to the king. The king may choose to free or execute up to one prisoner each night, although he does not have to decide a prisoners fate on any night he/she chooses not to do so. The prison may also be attacked by The Dark One and his followers or guarded by The Order of Righteousness. Players inside the jail may be scanned by the seer and may only be night killed by The Dark One himself. Players in the jail do not count towards victory conditions. Players inside the jail may not post in thread but may submit a story to the GM via PM each night. This can be anything. Can be a reveal/fake reveal/analysis of the day, anything that prisoner chooses to put into the story will be published in the newspaper following night actions. The prisoner's name will be attached to the story. If the jail is attacked by The Dark One and his followers all prisoners inside are freed regardless of light or dark aura. The players in prison also lose all powers to them granted by their private role while they are in prison except The Dark One who is both cunning and brutal while in prison.

The king is a public role. On day one the players will elect a new king. If the king is killed a new election will be held. The election will be over four hours prior to voting deadline and the new king will assume his duty at that point. The king MAY be ANY player in the game regardless of private role and/or light/dark aura. A king must elected by the majority of voters in order to take the crown. A tie vote results in no king being elected. A failure to elect a king will result in extremely dire consequences for the village. Voting for the king works as follows:

Vote Dubb93 King

Players in Woebegone Prison may not post in thread while they are in prison. They may submit a PM to me each night and assuming that following the night actions they are still in prison and alive their PM will be posted in the newspaper. The PM's will also have their name attached so the village knows which prisoner posted what story. The players in prison also lose all powers to them granted by their private role while they are in prison except The Dark One who is both cunning and brutal while in prison.

Players may vote to jail or lynch. Jail votes and lynch votes do not stack. If a player has 3 jail votes and 3 lynch votes and another player has 4 lynch votes the player with 4 lynch votes will be lynched even though the player with 3 and 3 had 6 total votes. Lynch votes should appear as follows:

Vote Dubb93 Lynch

or

Vote Dubb93 Jail

All votes must be in bold. Unvotes are allowed but must also be in bold. If a player does not specify jail or lynch their vote will not be counted. You may not self vote.

Players may not vote to lynch or free players that are in prison. The only character able to make these decisions is the king and he is limited to one decision a night.

Followers of The Dark One may not kill prisoners. The Dark One himself is the only character that is able to kill prisoners. If they perform a jail raid every prisoner is freed regardless of private role and/or light or dark aura.

Deadline is 11 PM est for lynch votes. Deadline is 10am est for night actions. Deadline for king elections is 7 PM est.

Players in jail DO NOT count towards victory conditions and are considered dead until they are either released from jail, broken out of jail, or executed.

Following each night phase the story will progress in newspaper format. There will be a main story covering night actions. Then there will be two stories posted under the name “Diffama Fabula.” One of these stories will be written by Diffama and one by The Dark One. This is a chance for these characters to get any point they choose across without actually saying it under their screen name for fear of getting called on it. They may say whatever they choose. It is up to the players playing to decide who published what story. There will also be correspondences from prisoners published. This is the only way to communicate with prisoners and they may choose to include whatever they wish. There name will be attached to their correspondence.

Diffama may still submit a story while in jail and may also submit a letter separate like every other prisoner is able to. The newspaper will also still be published upon Diffama's death.

You may not discuss PM's. Any player who discusses PMs, particularly starting PMs, will be removed from the game in the form of a day kill. You may give information to the public that is in game PM's such as seer scan results, blocked kills, etc. You know what is allowed here and what isn't. If you are unsure please by all means send me a PM and I will let you know if it is allowed.

Each day there is a small chance that each prisoner's light or dark aura will be revealed to the king each day. This chance is 20%. The Dark One's aura will always show up as light to the king but is held to the same 20% chance of the aura actually being revealed as the other prisoners. There is no limit to how many aura's the king can have revealed to him in a single day.

Win conditions are as follows. The Dark One and his followers must get a 1-1 ratio with the village while the village must either jail or lynch The Dark One and his followers.

Please note there is a chance these rules will be revised or new ones will be added up until the start of the game.

[dubb93]

Players:

1. <s>Barkeep49</s> - Lynched Day 7, Vanilla Villager
2. lerriuqs
3. <s>USFLTechmo</s> - Killed by MartinD Day 8, Vanilla Villager
4. <s>Abe</s> - Elected King Day 6, Killed Night 8, Woebegone Prison Guard, Fired
5. <s>MartinD</s> - Lynched Day 8, Captain of the Royal Mounted Archers
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. <s>Passacaglia</s> - Elected King Day 3, Killed Night 5, Arbitro
8. <s>Telle</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 4
9. The Jackal
10. <s>Danny</s> - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. <s>Autumn</s> - Killed Night 7, The White Knight
12. <s>Lathum</s> - Lynched Day 5, Follower of The Dark One
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. <s>Chief Rum</s> - Killed Night 6, Crystal Oculo
16. <s>saldana</s> - Lynched Day 6, Vanilla Villager
17. <s>DaddyTorgo</s> - Diffama Fabula - Killed Night 3
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. <s>KWhit</s> - Lynched Day 4, Vanilla Villager
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

[dubb93]

Day One Begins (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2043086&postcount=75)
King Schmidty (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2044246&postcount=286)
Day one comes to an end with Pass being Jailed. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2044682&postcount=424)
Hoopsguy does not wake up for day 2. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2044889&postcount=440)
Pass is a free man. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2045618&postcount=703)
Day two ends. The Dark One and King Schmidty are both slain. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2045778&postcount=815)
Righteous Kill (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2046095&postcount=900)
The inmates run the asylum? (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2046550&postcount=1061)
Abe Sargent meet Wobegone Prison. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2046819&postcount=1215)
Light reading. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2047137&postcount=1252)
An innocent lynching. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2047842&postcount=1462)
Is it possible? (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2048110&postcount=1508)
The Brotherhood has fallen. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2048810&postcount=1715)
Another day, another dead king. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2049111&postcount=1732)
King Abe (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2050546&postcount=1799)
No jail for the innocent. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2050815&postcount=1820)
Death of a prophet. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2051043&postcount=1835)
Lynches lose support. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2051748&postcount=1941)
Fall of the Order. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2051911&postcount=1963)
Double dose of poison. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2052419&postcount=2051)
King Abe meet King Schmidty and King Pass. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2052672&postcount=2063)
Game Over (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2052722&postcount=2080)

[Barkeep49]

What are the win conditions? How does electing the king work?

[dubb93]

What are the win conditions? How does electing the king work?

Win conditions are standard werewolf fare. The wolves need to get 1-1 with the village. The village needs to get rid of every wolf. Keep in mind players in jail count as being dead and do not figure into the 1-1.

Electing the king works the same as a lynch vote IE

Vote Dubb93 King

Lynch votes work as follows

Vote Dubb93 Lynch

or

Vote Dubb93 Jail

[Barkeep49]

And do we get 3 votes each day?

I'll play too, btw.

[dubb93]

And do we get 3 votes each day?

I'll play too, btw.

No you may only vote to jail or lynch one player each day.

If it is an election day you would get two votes that day. One must be used to elect a king and the other can be used to either jail or lynch.

[lerriuqs]

In - one plus of this game is not getting wolfed by dubb...:D

[Barkeep49]

In - one plus of this game is not getting wolfed by dubb...:D
He's tricky. You're forgetting that he was really the GM last game. Why do you think the wolves did so well?

[USFLTecmo]

All right. Seems like the twists in this one are easy enough to understand. I'm in.

[claphamsa]

ill ply

[Telle]

I'll play if we're not starting until next week.

[MartinD]

I would like to play.

[Lathum]

when is this starting?

[The Jackal]

I'll play if we're not starting until next week.

+1

[Danny]

I'd like to play as long as it starts next week too, I want a few days off from WW.

[hoopsguy]

In.

[dubb93]

If we have no objections I think we can put this off until Monday to give everyone a week away from werewolf. Any objections to this?

EDIT to add that if this were the case I would be sending roles out Sunday.

[Passacaglia]

In.

[Autumn]

I'm in, this sounds fun, though I may not have time to be as chatty as in the past. Probably good given the page totals we've been generating.

[claphamsa]

OMG Autumn is being UTR he must be a wolf!

vote fall

[Autumn]

Damn, there goes my alibi.

[Lathum]

in

[SnDvls]

since dubb sent me a personal invite and I haven't played in a long time (probally a year at least) I'll join this one.

[Lathum]

whoa!

[hoopsguy]

Good to have you back in the mix for a game, SnDvls. Hope all has been well for you and the family over the past year.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh damn, this looks like a frigging fun game!

[RendeR]

Alright alright, I'm in =)

[Chief Rum]

I am IN.

[saldana]

although i have a feeling this game will hamper my WoW time even worse than the last one..

in

[DaddyTorgo]

IN

[Schmidty]

I'm tempted. I'm just worried that this could be one of those 50-60 page game, where if you miss an hour, you have 5 pages to go through.

[Barkeep49]

I'm tempted. I'm just worried that this could be one of those 50-60 page game, where if you miss an hour, you have 5 pages to go through.
I would say more broadly that FOFC tends to post A LOT compared to other boards that I have seen play WW. As Schmidty points out I'm not always sure I think that's a good thing.

[Danny]

I would say more broadly that FOFC tends to post A LOT compared to other boards that I have seen play WW. As Schmidty points out I'm not always sure I think that's a good thing.

Boo, I am topping 500 posts alone in this game!

[claphamsa]

/me votes danny off day one

[Danny]

/me votes danny off day one

That will make reaching 500 more difficult, but not impossible

[Danny]

I will copy and post "Oh snap" to every post that makes any kind of point at all from the graveyard.

[claphamsa]

roflcopter

[hoopsguy]

I'm tempted. I'm just worried that this could be one of those 50-60 page game, where if you miss an hour, you have 5 pages to go through.

I would say more broadly that FOFC tends to post A LOT compared to other boards that I have seen play WW. As Schmidty points out I'm not always sure I think that's a good thing.

Is it sad that I read this and thought to myself, "Bah, that is only 2,500 - 3,000 posts. That wouldn't even crack the top ten most posted games"?

:p

[claphamsa]

I for one like the huge post numbers, means its more active, and more entertaining. it also means I dont read old games, or ones im not involved in. And if I had a job where I could not follow, I dont think I would play, since it is daunting to have pages and pages of posts just to catch up. I tend to skim and miss stuff in thos circumstances :(

[dubb93]

Well I for one sincerely hope Schmidty decides to play in this game. Would love to have Schmidty on board.

[Tyrith]

In.

[dubb93]

I have altered the rules to clarify that if there is only one wolf left that wolf is able to make kills on consecutive nights. I left that out to begin with.

[path12]

since dubb sent me a personal invite and I haven't played in a long time (probally a year at least) I'll join this one.

Crap. I thought it was just me.

Why not. I only got one day last time. In.

[dubb93]

Crap. I thought it was just me.

Why not. I only got one day last time. In.

;), I sent out invites to people I have enjoyed playing with and haven't seen alot of lately.

[KWhit]

;), I sent out invites to people I have enjoyed playing with and haven't seen alot of lately.

*sniff*

I'm in.

[dubb93]

I'm putting a soft cap on the game today. Still interested in alternates and could see myself going higher than the number of 20 depending on the interest.

[Schmidty]

Oh, fine. If you want/need me, let me know. It's cool seeing some older vets playing again.

[dubb93]

If we can get up to 24 I'll run it with 24 players otherwise I think I'm capping it at 20 based on where I'm at as far as game balance goes.

EDIT: On second thought I'm just going ahead and adding you to the game.

[Danny]

I will play with 3 additional characters to make the cap of 24. I imagine you will want to put all four of my players on the same side so the game isn't too short

[dubb93]

I will play with 3 additional characters to make the cap of 24. I imagine you will want to put all four of my players on the same side so the game isn't too short

I can see it now. Danny is the only wolf and must be voted out 4 times in order to lose. :D

[Danny]

I will vote myself to have a strong voting record and gain trust for future days.

[Barkeep49]

Unvote Danny 2
Vote Danny 1

[hoopsguy]

I will vote myself to have a strong voting record and gain trust for future days.

Self-voting usually results in a negative backlash.

[dubb93]

Self-voting usually results in a negative backlash.

But what if he self votes and provides reasoning on why he thinks he is the best choice?

[hoopsguy]

Well, he would know he is a wolf so he should be able to provide some good reasons.

But would that earn him (as a known wolf) trust the following day? My gut says "no way" based on my efforts as a known wolf in previous games.

[claphamsa]

I wish this game had started, im uber bored! and i could be racking up the posts today!

[dubb93]

I wish this game had started, im uber bored! and i could be racking up the posts today!

I could send roles out, but Thursday-Monday seems like an awful long day 1.

[claphamsa]

that would make me happy, but not be a good idea, especially since people signed up to play next week :(

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah - waiting till next week is fine. people are signed up and expecting that, and a lil breather isn't a bad thing. maybe send out roles on sunday day and have sunday-monday night be D1?

[Schmidty]

I'm actually bored too. I just bought Fallout 3 and am playing that, but it seems so much like Oblivion that it's kind of boring.

[Tyrith]

I got Team Fortress 2 on Monday, and wooooow is it amazing.

[Passacaglia]

Do you people realize how many times I would switch my vote if Day 1 lasted that long? Good thing I'll be gone all weekend, but still -- the very idea!

[dubb93]

Do you people realize how many times I would switch my vote if Day 1 lasted that long? Good thing I'll be gone all weekend, but still -- the very idea!

I got four Dannys signed up so as long as you keep your vote on one of those four you can switch as often as you like and you will still look good.

[Danny]

I got four Dannys signed up so as long as you keep your vote on one of those four you can switch as often as you like and you will still look good.

Woot, lets get this thing going!

[dubb93]

I'm throwing this out there before I get lynch voted, there will be some days where the actions may be posted later than the deadline. These will be on the days I work and are not set in stone they will be late. If I am on station I will post them at the right time, if not they will be posted whenever I get back on station. For week 1 those days will be:

Tuesday
Friday

Week Two:

Monday
Thursday

Week Three(if need be):

Wednesday

[claphamsa]

oh wow! just noticed 11 pm est....... Im gonna toss out now, that I will never be on at deadline.

[USFLTecmo]

I'll miss any Sunday and/or Monday night deadlines, for that matter.

[jeheinz72]

Actually, upon further review of my life next week, I probably shouldn't play. My bad!

[Lathum]

8:00 PM deadline is great for me, I'll be online unless I am feeding my sex addiction or something.

[claphamsa]

poker not working? so you had to go into male prostitution? a shame.

[Schmidty]

8 p.m. deadline my time is awesome!!

[dubb93]

oh wow! just noticed 11 pm est....... Im gonna toss out now, that I will never be on at deadline.

Sorry to hear that. Hope you are still interested in playing but I have to go with deadlines that give me the best chance of being on station while I am at work so those are not late if it can be avoided.

[dubb93]

Two weeks. Two long and terrifying weeks. It has been two weeks since King Dubb93 was murdered. King Dubb93 was murdered by the most evil being in the history of Metou, The Dark One. After weeks of prayer vigils and political debates today is the day we crown a new king. At the end of the day Metou will once again have a ruler to lead it's people forward. May you choose very carefully.

Day one has begun.

King Election deadline 7pm est Monday

Lynch vote deadline 11pm est Monday

Night one actions due by 10am Tuesday

Roles are being sent out. Please do not post in thread until I post the all clear that I have sent out every role.

Vanilla villagers will receive a one word PM that states the following:

Villager

[dubb93]

Every player should have their role.

[Danny]

Lets get this rockin!

Vote Dubb (for last game)

[Barkeep49]

It seems no one would have any extra info that would really help us with the king vote, so I'm going to throw my random vote out there:

Elect Schmidty as King

[hoopsguy]

So arriving to one single, solitary PM pretty much told me what I needed to know - I'm a villager.

Which is cool - it has been a couple of games since I had a bare-bones, vanilla village role.

[Schmidty]

It seems no one would have any extra info that would really help us with the king vote, so I'm going to throw my random vote out there:

Elect Schmidty as King

I'm useless, but I appreciate your support.

Elect Schmidty as King


I look forward to a long, prosperous and peaceful rule. :)

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty, have you read what the king does? Semi-serious question.

The King – The King is able to change one vote during his tenure. Each elected king has this power. The king may not change a lynch vote if he is the lynch target. The king is also in charge of Woebegone Prison. The king may each night if he/she chooses decide the fate a prisoner. The king is able to free a prisoner or execute a prisoner if he/she chooses to do so each night. The king breaks all tie votes. The king may not be jailed or scanned by the seer. All decisions regarding prisoners must be done in public and in bold so that discussion may follow. These decisions are to be done during the night phase and are limited to no more than one prisoner per night. The king may elect to leave the prisoners as is and not free or execute any prisoner during any night phase if he/she so chooses.

More importantly, will you have the availability/interest in fulfilling the king duties each and every day you are in the position?

[Danny]

I think Hoops makes an important point. I'm really glad you are playing Schmidty, but the King is a huge role and we need to know you will be able to make the time investment if you're elected. At this point, I'd be inclined with someone who is generally pretty active and available a fair amount.

[Lathum]

I agree, no offense to Schmidty but he just isn't as active early on as someone who is the King should be.

Another thing is BK knows this, so why support him?

[Lathum]

Question for Dubb and if this was answered I apologize.

Do we lynch and jail someone each day or is it one or the other?

[hoopsguy]

Don't get me wrong - I'm 100% fine with considering Schmidty if he says that he will make the investment to run the role well. But I know big games + schedule have caused him some challenges in the past, by his own admission.

[Schmidty]

Wow.

Ouch guys. I guess I have a reputation. Maybe I should just bow out. That actually hurts my feelings quite a bit. If I were elected King, I'd do what I need to do. I only work 1 day this week - Tuesday.

But hey, we all know I suck and have a bad recent history, so do what you want to do. I miss being active, but if people think I'm better off just being a useless villager, so be it.

[Schmidty]

Dola.

I really want this.

[Lathum]

Schmidty, your feeling shouldn't be hurt. No one said the way you play is poor, we just said you aren't always as active. How many times in a game have you come in 5 minutes before the deadline and said something along the lines of "I don't have time to read the last 8 pages, can someone tell me who to vote for?"

It's not a knock on you, you have a busy life and don't have as much time to dedicate as others, and there is nothing wrong with that. I can't speak for others but I certainly didn't mean my comments as an attack against you.

Not that we know you have more ability I am willing to consider you for the role but I have to ask, why do you want it so bad?

[Lathum]

dola- FWIW I also wouldn't nominate CR for this role because of his schedule.

[Schmidty]

Not that we know you have more ability I am willing to consider you for the role but I have to ask, why do you want it so bad?

Because I'm tired of being invisible. I want to actually make a difference in a game again. I have the time this week, so I'll have time to redeem myself, or at least try to.

I just don't think that as a powerless villager, I'd have a chance to add to the game. As the King, I would be more focused and motivated. I want to help and to win for once.

[hoopsguy]

Good to hear, Schmidty. I'll be excited to see you engaged and active this week.

I would also add that "powerless villagers" end up making a difference all the time. I'm hoping to do so this game.

[Danny]

Schmidty, your feeling shouldn't be hurt. No one said the way you play is poor, we just said you aren't always as active. How many times in a game have you come in 5 minutes before the deadline and said something along the lines of "I don't have time to read the last 8 pages, can someone tell me who to vote for?"

It's not a knock on you, you have a busy life and don't have as much time to dedicate as others, and there is nothing wrong with that. I can't speak for others but I certainly didn't mean my comments as an attack against you.

Not that we know you have more ability I am willing to consider you for the role but I have to ask, why do you want it so bad?

This is where I was coming from in my comment as well. I am glad you have more time to play this week :)

[dubb93]

Question for Dubb and if this was answered I apologize.

Do we lynch and jail someone each day or is it one or the other?

It is one or the other. You will vote to either jail a player or lynch them. Please note that jail and lynch votes do not stack so a player with 3 lynch votes and 4 jail votes would not has as many votes as a player with 5 jail votes.

[Lathum]

It is one or the other. You will vote to either jail a player or lynch them. Please note that jail and lynch votes do not stack so a player with 3 lynch votes and 4 jail votes would not has as many votes as a player with 5 jail votes.

so if Player A has 4 lynch vote ansd 3 jail votes and player B has 3 lynch votes and 7 jail votes the end result would be player B goes to jail?

[Danny]

so if Player A has 4 lynch vote ansd 3 jail votes and player B has 3 lynch votes and 7 jail votes the end result would be player B goes to jail?

Unless he has a get out of jail free card. And remember, either way he does not collect $200 dollars if he passes go.

[Chief Rum]

Villager.

Lathum hurt my feelings. Okay, maybe not. ;)

I wouldn't want the King role. Too much publicity. I tend to think Kings won't last long in this game, especially if the Dark One doesn't get elected.

dubb, are we required to elect a King today?

If we can hold off on voting in a king, the seer might be able to scan the op candidate. Wouldn't prevent the Dark One being King, and I suppose the cultist role would still read as villager (unfortunately), but other than that, we would probably have a decently cleared player to start the game, and in a critical role.

I actually have another idea about how to handle this that would take 2-3 days to do. It's a completely villager option, but to say it now might lead to tinkerings from people we wouldn't want having a say. So I will keep it to myself now, and put it out there when the time seems right.

[Chief Rum]

'op' would be 'top'.

You guys probably figured that out.

[The Jackal]

I was trying to figure out what op stood for, unfortunately.

[The Jackal]

And in response CR - "The king is a public role. On day one the players will elect a new king. If the king is killed a new election will be held. The election will be over four hours prior to voting deadline and the new king will assume his duty at that point. The king MAY be ANY player in the game regardless of private role and/or light/dark aura. A king must elected by the majority of voters in order to take the crown. A tie vote results in no king being elected. A failure to elect a king will result in extremely dire consequences for the village."

It looks like we need to get a King today or we're in some sort of unnamed trouble.

[dubb93]

.The king is a public role. On day one the players will elect a new king. If the king is killed a new election will be held. The election will be over four hours prior to voting deadline and the new king will assume his duty at that point. The king MAY be ANY player in the game regardless of private role and/or light/dark aura. A king must elected by the majority of voters in order to take the crown. A tie vote results in no king being elected. A failure to elect a king will result in extremely dire consequences for the village.

[Chief Rum]

I don't recall if this was noted in the rules...

...the King can receive Lynch votes, right?

I realize the King has Duke rights as well, so that may be tricky as is, but still a good point to know.

Speaking more on the King rule, I will now ask dubb what I will horarily call the Dubb Question, since he was the one that used this to hide himself last game: When a King breaks a tie, is it by his choice (in PM) or by his vote?

[Danny]

I was trying to figure out what op stood for, unfortunately.

I didn't "figure" top out either, I just thought CR was using some new trendy acronym and didn't give it any more than a second of thought.

[Chief Rum]

And in response CR - "The king is a public role. On day one the players will elect a new king. If the king is killed a new election will be held. The election will be over four hours prior to voting deadline and the new king will assume his duty at that point. The king MAY be ANY player in the game regardless of private role and/or light/dark aura. A king must elected by the majority of voters in order to take the crown. A tie vote results in no king being elected. A failure to elect a king will result in extremely dire consequences for the village."

It looks like we need to get a King today or we're in some sort of unnamed trouble.

Got it, thanks Jackal (abd dubb).

Okay, let's spell out these election rules.

dubb, when you say "majority", you mean an actual majority, as in 11 votes minimum will have to be placed on the King to elect, right? Or do you mean a plurality, highest votes take it, regardless of number?

Am I also to guess that the "dire consequences" to the village will happen whether we choose not to vote for a King, have a tie that removes the election of a King, or do not achieve an actual majority? Meaning, regardless of how we fail, if we do not have a King at the election deadline, "dire consequences" will ensue?

[Chief Rum]

I didn't "figure" top out either, I just thought CR was using some new trendy acronym and didn't give it any more than a second of thought.

Heh...I don't do anything trendy. ;)

[Chief Rum]

BTW, in case anyone is wondering, I need to get my numbers up at work, so I will probably be posting much less during the day in this one. So I am getting my posts out now, lol.

[dubb93]

Got it, thanks Jackal (abd dubb).

Okay, let's spell out these election rules.

dubb, when you say "majority", you mean an actual majority, as in 11 votes minimum will have to be placed on the King to elect, right? Or do you mean a plurality, highest votes take it, regardless of number?

Am I also to guess that the "dire consequences" to the village will happen whether we choose not to vote for a King, have a tie that removes the election of a King, or do not achieve an actual majority? Meaning, regardless of how we fail, if we do not have a King at the election deadline, "dire consequences" will ensue?

Big words.

Yea highest vote takes it. A tie results in no lynch.

The king is able to receive lynch votes. The king is not able to duke the vote if it is him that is being lynched.

When I say dire consequences I mean dire consequences. If there is not a king elected on a day where a king is supposed to be elected there will be dire consequences for the village. Does not matter why he was not elected.

I will assume the king's tie break is his vote unless he sends me a PM. I will give him 10 minutes after the deadline to take everything in and decide if he wishes to go a direction other than his vote. At that point I will no longer accept a PM.

[Chief Rum]

Big words.

Yea highest vote takes it. A tie results in no lynch.

The king is able to receive lynch votes. The king is not able to duke the vote if it is him that is being lynched.

When I say dire consequences I mean dire consequences. If there is not a king elected on a day where a king is supposed to be elected there will be dire consequences for the village. Does not matter why he was not elected.

I will assume the king's tie break is his vote unless he sends me a PM. I will give him 10 minutes after the deadline to take everything in and decide if he wishes to go a direction other than his vote. At that point I will no longer accept a PM.

Ah, so he does have the option to not go with his vote, but the underlying assumption is it is his vote. Will this ability be contingent upon him choosing from the candidates involved in the tie? Or does a tie sorta "free" the King to make an extra Duke lynch, where he can choose anyone (but still keep his Duke lynch for later)?

[dubb93]

Ah, so he does have the option to not go with his vote, but the underlying assumption is it is his vote. Will this ability be contingent upon him choosing from the candidates involved in the tie? Or does a tie sorta "free" the King to make an extra Duke lynch, where he can choose anyone (but still keep his Duke lynch for later)?

He must choose between the people involved in the tie unless he wishes to use up his duke ability.

[Lathum]

OK, so I am alittle freaked out about Schmidty being King, or I should say the way he came about as a possible candidate.

BK mentions, him and Schmidty says sure. Now they HAVE to know people are going to bring up Schmidtys schedule as an issue, then Schmidty plays the hurt feelings card and the I want to prove myself card and people feel bad and that could earn him some votes.

The fact that the King can't be scanned just gives me the willies, especially after witnessing the way Dubb played last game a a wolf in power.

Now I'm not saying Schmidty as a villager wouldn't do a good job, I am just saying I could see BK concoct this plan to lead us in this direction.

[Danny]

Elect Hoopsguy as King

I know he's a strong wolf, but if is a villager he probably is the best choice.

[Chief Rum]

I tend to agree with you, Lathum, that it seems like we shouldn't jump on the Schmidty bandwagon, with how quickly he was put up for election.

That said, I frankly don't think it would be wise for the village to keep the first King alive anyway. Not after a couple days, at least.

So if Schmidty's fine with that, I have less of an issue electing him.

I do think we should have other options. Keep in mind, we should have a clear candidate near the deadline. I don't want a situation where the wolves or the cultist could manipulate the vote into a tie, figuring "dire consequences" would be worth sacrificing oneself in the game.

[Schmidty]

Now they HAVE to know people are going to bring up Schmidtys schedule as an issue, then Schmidty plays the hurt feelings card and the I want to prove myself card and people feel bad and that could earn him some votes.

It's not a "card". It was the truth. If it disturbs you that much, I'll just

Unvote Schmidty as King

Adios.

[Chief Rum]

It's not a "card". It was the truth. If it disturbs you that much, I'll just

Unvote Schmidty as King

Adios.

Adios, as in, you're leaving the game?

[Lathum]

It's not a "card". It was the truth. If it disturbs you that much, I'll just

Unvote Schmidty as King

Adios.

Jesus Christ dude, don't get all pissy because I question your motives for wanting to be king or how you are attempting to gather support. That's part of the game. Deal with it.

[Schmidty]

Adios, as in, you're leaving the game?

No, just adios as in, I'm leaving the thread for a minute. I'm watching the Tigers.

[Schmidty]

Jesus Christ dude, don't get all pissy because I question your motives for wanting to be king or how you are attempting to gather support. That's part of the game. Deal with it.

You are such a spaz sometimes. :) I'm not mad, and I'm not leaving the game, I was just leaving the thread for a bit.

I'm just going with what is obvious - there's no way you guys are going to let me be King, so I'm letting things go in a different direction without causing a problem.

[Chief Rum]

No, just adios as in, I'm leaving the thread for a minute. I'm watching the Tigers.

I'm watching, too. Zumaya got jobbed on that walk pitch to Kendrick.

Glad you're not leaving the game.

Lathum said the same thing about me, you know, but it's no big deal, and it shouldn't be to you either.

For instance, if there was a role that required absolute calm and evenhandedness, Lathum is the last person I would want to vote in to that role, no matter if he was even saying he was taking Lithium this week. And I think Lathum would agree with that.

It's completely understandable. You may be right that this game will be different, but it is sensible for the village to consider whether you would be the best candidate for the role, given your generally busy schedule historically in WW games. I'm sure it's frustrating, but that's the way it is--we have to make the decision that is best for the village.

IMO, you should prove what you're saying over the next few days, and we inevitably lynch the first King (I really think that will happen), you can be a top candidate to become the next King.

[Schmidty]

Anyway, I'm out for a bit. Taking my kid to some friends.

[Lathum]

For instance, if there was a role that required absolute calm and evenhandedness, Lathum is the last person I would want to vote in to that role, no matter if he was even saying he was taking Lithium this week. And I think Lathum would agree with that.

.

This made me lol

[Lathum]

Anyway, I'm out for a bit. Taking my kid to some friends.

This is what I am talking about, you are never around.

ducks

;)

[Barkeep49]

OK, so I am alittle freaked out about Schmidty being King, or I should say the way he came about as a possible candidate.

BK mentions, him and Schmidty says sure. Now they HAVE to know people are going to bring up Schmidtys schedule as an issue, then Schmidty plays the hurt feelings card and the I want to prove myself card and people feel bad and that could earn him some votes.

The fact that the King can't be scanned just gives me the willies, especially after witnessing the way Dubb played last game a a wolf in power.

Now I'm not saying Schmidty as a villager wouldn't do a good job, I am just saying I could see BK concoct this plan to lead us in this direction.
Don't make your poor play into a wolf conspiracy. If you didn't think Schmidty would make a good king you should have suggested someone else. You hoops and Danny have turned this into a conversation about Schmidty vs everyone else.

[Barkeep49]

Don't make your poor play into a wolf conspiracy. If you didn't think Schmidty would make a good king you should have suggested someone else. You hoops and Danny have turned this into a conversation about Schmidty vs everyone else.
Not to mention that we're talking about two players actions here, one of whom is the proposed King. I'm not saying I wouldn't be audacious enough as a wolf to suggest another wolf, I would be. But I often am the first one to kickoff voting on D1 in games and to me this is exactly that.

[Danny]

You hoops and Danny have turned this into a conversation about Schmidty vs everyone else.

We have? I said what I thought about potentially making Schmidty the king and then I put out another candidate. I really don't see where this is a conversation of Schmidty vs. everyone else

[Chief Rum]

Not to mention that we're talking about two players actions here, one of whom is the proposed King. I'm not saying I wouldn't be audacious enough as a wolf to suggest another wolf, I would be. But I often am the first one to kickoff voting on D1 in games and to me this is exactly that.

I hate it when people drop the "I always do this" line, because I don't know that to be true, and I don't have the time to check out a whole bunch of games to see if it is.

[Barkeep49]

I hate it when people drop the "I always do this" line, because I don't know that to be true, and I don't have the time to check out a whole bunch of games to see if it is.
I didn't say "I always" I said "I often". Do you always misread what others say? I don't have time to go back into past games to check if that's common :D

[Lathum]

Don't make your poor play into a wolf conspiracy. If you didn't think Schmidty would make a good king you should have suggested someone else. You hoops and Danny have turned this into a conversation about Schmidty vs everyone else.

My poor play?

WTF is that supposed to mean?

You are out of your mind if you don't think you are going to get some heat by suggesting a player so early for such a powerful role then that player comes out and says they want the role. Is this your first game?

And how have we turned this into a Schmidty vs. everyone else? You put him out there as a candidate and we are discussing the pro's vs. con's of him having that role.

explain to me what else we should be doing?


And why suggest someone else at this point. I received my role an hour ago, I think we should have some dialouge before just throwing a name out there.

[MartinD]

dola- FWIW I also wouldn't nominate CR for this role because of his schedule.

Sounds like I shouldn't be considered, for similar reasons - I'll be asleep for pretty much every deadline during the game.

[Chief Rum]

Players:

1. Barkeep49
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. claphamsa
5. MartinD
6. hoopsguy
7. Passacaglia
8. Telle
9. The Jackal
10. Danny
11. Autumn
12. Lathum
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. Chief Rum
16. saldana
17. DaddyTorgo
18. Tyrith
19. path12
20. KWhit
21. Schmidty

Based purely on availability and propensity to post and making relatively rational and logical decisions (asopposed to emotional or "locking in"), these are the guys I think would be good candidates for the King:

Barkeep49
hoopsguy
Passacaglia
Danny
Autumn
path12
KWhit

Others on the list are close, but these are the guys I would have at the top of the list of potential candidates.

[Chief Rum]

Listed as I found them going down the list, not an indication of any order otherwise.

[Lathum]

I dunno about Pass, he tends to lock in at times.

I would say Path or Danny. And no way BK based on his early suggestion of Schmidty

[Chief Rum]

I dunno about Pass, he tends to lock in at times.

I would say Path or Danny. And no way BK based on his early suggestion of Schmidty

All of this is open to interpretation. And I would agree completely on BK, whatever his qualifications for the job, you have to not consider him given the early dramatics, at least in this game.

I never noticed a tendency for Pass to lock in, but he barely made my cut as it was (doesn't post quite as prolific as some of the others on the list, doesn't do as much analysis). That's not to say he wouldn't make a good King, but there are others I think are slightly better options.

[Tyrith]

I say heck no to hoops as king. Same logic as last game - I just don't trust him to not completely screw us if he is a bad king, due to his ability to talk his way out of stuff.

Honestly, I'd be fine with Schmidty - I trust him when he says he is up for this, and I think it'd be cool to give him a chance to do something powerful. Plus part of me still feels bad about how the Hulk mind control thing turned out. Given a Schmidty vs. random showdown I would be inclined to vote for him.

And I mostly trust BK as being innocent in regards to this. This seems like a really risky early two for one chance for the wolves.

[hoopsguy]

I really have no comments on me pro/anti king. I wanted seer last game for anti-villager reasons. This game I would be interested in king because I know that I'm good, but I'm certainly not going to thump my chest and ask for it.

Wherever it ends up is fine with me, as long as that person is willing to embrace the role, keep current with the thread, and use the power as a thorn in the side of the Dark One and his followers.

[dubb93]

I haven't had a smoke in 26 hours. The longest I have gone since I started smoking 7 years ago. May actually kick the habit this time.

[The Jackal]

I haven't had a smoke in 26 hours. The longest I have gone since I started smoking 7 years ago. May actually kick the habit this time.

Good luck, you can do it.

[Abe Sargent]

Damn it, just got back from vacation tonight and I missed a game start up. Ah well.

[Schmidty]

I haven't had a smoke in 26 hours. The longest I have gone since I started smoking 7 years ago. May actually kick the habit this time.

I've never smoked, but I'm sure it's tough. Keep it up man!!!

[Schmidty]

Honestly, I'd be fine with Schmidty - I trust him when he says he is up for this, and I think it'd be cool to give him a chance to do something powerful. Plus part of me still feels bad about how the Hulk mind control thing turned out. Given a Schmidty vs. random showdown I would be inclined to vote for him.

Yeah, you owe me!!!! :D ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

checking in!

[Autumn]

I haven't read through yet, but just saying I'm here. I'll be at the desk in the morning so I'll catch up then and offer whatever thoughts I've come up with.

[Chief Rum]

I should be able to check in tomorrow for a Lynch/Jail vote in between jobs, but I better put in my election vote now, as the deadline is before the end of work for me.

VOTE ELECT DANNY KING

I think Danny's fairly steady and analytical, plus if he needs to talk stuff over, I'm around late (so there's a personal reason for me, won't exist for most others, maybe Lathum).

[Schmidty]

Screw it. I'm just going for it:

Elect Schmidty as King

[Chief Rum]

Screw it. I'm just going for it:

Elect Schmidty as King

Power to you. If you feel you're the best for the spot, then that's your right. I still think your best option is to go for the position if it opens later in the game.

Regardless of who is elected, I am likely to advocate lynching that person in two or three days time. We have no way of knowing that the first King is a good guy, and no way of finding out. The King can't be scanned, and of course, the Dark One is a Cunning wolf (in any case).

[Chief Rum]

Come to think of it, question for dubb:

If we succesfully elect a king, and then lynch him, do we suffer the dire consequences?

[Lathum]

Come to think of it, question for dubb:

If we succesfully elect a king, and then lynch him, do we suffer the dire consequences?

KROD IS A GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chief Rum]

KROD IS A GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Question for dubb: Can we elect K-Rod for the King position and then lynch him? M'kay, thanks.

[Lathum]

My king vote would be for sndvls. Really solid player who hasn't payed for a while and I would love to give him a cool role on his first game back.


that being said I also think we should kill the original King early. So I say the seer should scan sndvls N1 and if we haven't heard anything bad about him by D2-3 we elect him King.

[Chief Rum]

My king vote would be for sndvls. Really solid player who hasn't payed for a while and I would love to give him a cool role on his first game back.


that being said I also think we should kill the original King early. So I say the seer should scan sndvls N1 and if we haven't heard anything bad about him by D2-3 we elect him King.

I don't think we should commit to anyone this far ahead of time.

[Autumn]

Wow, I expected to have to catch up on a lot more than this. I do want to get a king contender down, and I'll look through the list and figure out who I'd be comfortable with. But we should also talk strategy about the lynch, and whether it makes most sense to jail or lynch today.

[Tyrith]

I'm conflicted. With, in essence, a random vote, jail seems like a much safer choice, to avoid screw-ups. However, it would mean we would either have let the person rot in jail for days till the king gets lucky - which means we would be better off with them dead - or get them seer scanned.

We could jail for the first 2/3 days then get the seer to tell us all their allegiances, but that narrows the field a lot, and opens us up to screwball wolf tactics. It might just be safer to lynch someone than deal with all that mess.

[Autumn]

I think Chief Rum's question about lynching the king will be important to find out. In the meantime we don't have any meaningful way, I don't think of picking a King today. It's just a craps shoot. That actually makes me think perhaps we can find a way to randomize it. Although I suppose then if the King eventually turns out bad we don't have any data to examine.

[RendeR]

I hate one word PM's....

This villager would be fine with Schmidty as King. I don't think the first King will live long simply because I'm betting the wolves will think its kewl to kill the king.

I will not vote Hoops as king, it simply will not happen =)

and I agree with the Lathum - Lithium statement made earlier =)

Anyone else get bourbon faced on shit street this weekend?

[Autumn]

Okay, looking back at the rules it seems to make sense to me to jail for the first day at least. First day votes are random, and this gives some chance for the King to get a scan and free a villager or kill a wolf. Seems like the way to go to me.

I guess that the King vote should be based on activity, to my mind. We're probably not going to elect someone like Hoops, since though he'd be good at it he'd be just as good at it as a wolf. So, someone who tends to be around and vocal, but isn't considered dreadfully dangerous. If we don't want to go with the random idea.

[Tyrith]

Just so long as we realize that if we send someone to jail day 1, unless we're willing to absolutely use a seer scan in the next day or two on that person, there's a decent chance we're knocking them out of the game for a long time. And if I sat on the bench for four days I don't know how easy it would be for me to get back in gear. Beyond that, I'm fine with it.

[claphamsa]

ok, checking in lame he even spelled viilegar wrong!

[claphamsa]

vote passacaglia

[claphamsa]

vote passacaglia lynhc

[lerriuqs]

Checking in - won't be back for a while - I have to work today... *shudders*

Hopefully, there'll be more to go on with regards to a king by then.

[hoopsguy]

I'm fine with the jail approach. I'm normally a hard-core "lynch 'em all, we'll sort it out in the end" type but frankly I'm willing to see if I can expand my line of thinking a little bit to better leverage this mechanic.

I think the idea of jailing likely extends the game, which probably favors villagers over wolves.

[Passacaglia]

Checking in -- a little busy today, so I'm going to stay away until I'm done with some stuff.

[Tyrith]

Sigh, I'm all dressed up, but there's no one to take to the party :P

[claphamsa]

vote tyrinch king
vote jail danny


all votes are random!

[hoopsguy]

So, someone who tends to be around and vocal, but isn't considered dreadfully dangerous.

I'm open for suggestions on who fits this profile that people would like to vote for.

Ideally, I would like to have some kind of a race here rather than an uncontested Schmidty "coronation".

[Lathum]

vote tyrinch king
vote jail danny


all votes are random!

You already voted to lynch Pass.

Dubb, can you vote to lynch someone and to jail someone or is it one or the other?

[claphamsa]

im vocal, but i fails CRs logical post list! and i wont be around at 11 pm

[claphamsa]

You already voted to lynch Pass.

Dubb, can you vote to lynch someone and to jail someone or is it one or the other?
oh i thought we were supposed to vote for one of each :D

[Autumn]

lol, everyone's going to ask this question it seems.

WE EITHER LYNCH SOMEONE, OR JAIL SOMEONE TONIGHT, WE HAVE TO PICK.

[Passacaglia]

I'm open for suggestions on who fits this profile that people would like to vote for.

Ideally, I would like to have some kind of a race here rather than an uncontested Schmidty "coronation".

popping in to agree with this -- not only uncontested, but I don't think Schmidty really fits those characteristics.

[Lathum]

Okay, looking back at the rules it seems to make sense to me to jail for the first day at least. First day votes are random, and this gives some chance for the King to get a scan and free a villager or kill a wolf. Seems like the way to go to me.
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The only problem is the seer can't scan someone in prison and the King only has a 20% chance of discovering their auroa, so it isn't a very high percentage chance of a clear.

[Lathum]

Vote USFLTechmo king

the last few games he has been pretty quiet, I thik this gives him a chance to step up.

[Tyrith]

Oh, I didn't realize the seer/jail bit. Yeah, I can see chucking someone in jail day 1 just to get the king ability in play...but we have to realize that is going to be taking someone out of the game, realistically.

[claphamsa]

unvote jail danny

sorry bout that!

[Danny]

unvote jail danny

sorry bout that!

You can come over and fix the broken pieces to my heart!

[claphamsa]

you live too far away! damn west coasters!

[Danny]

As for the jail/vs lynch thing, on day 1 especially I think a jail might be ok as it does lengthen the game. I'm going to reread the mechanic now though.

[Danny]

The king will have a 20% chance to learn someones allegiance each night. I'm assuming this will stack, so if there are four prisoners, the king has a 20% chance of learning each one?

[Lathum]

Vote jail BK

I think jailing is the way to go today. If the King can clear BK then we release him and make him the next King since as a villager I think BK would do a great job of it.

[Autumn]

The only problem is the seer can't scan someone in prison and the King only has a 20% chance of discovering their auroa, so it isn't a very high percentage chance of a clear.

No, but in a normal game with a normal lynch there's 0% chance of recovering from a day 1 mistake. At least this way there's some chance of getting information, and even the chance of releasing a villager back into the game. It seems to me that unless we know we're lynching a wolf, the advantage is mostly to us to jail.

[Lathum]

I don't think we should commit to anyone this far ahead of time.

I disagree, I think when it comes to something like this we at least need to start thinking it through.

[Danny]

The only problem is the seer can't scan someone in prison and the King only has a 20% chance of discovering their auroa, so it isn't a very high percentage chance of a clear.

I reread this, the seer can scan players inside the jail.

[Lathum]

No, but in a normal game with a normal lynch there's 0% chance of recovering from a day 1 mistake. At least this way there's some chance of getting information, and even the chance of releasing a villager back into the game. It seems to me that unless we know we're lynching a wolf, the advantage is mostly to us to jail.

I agree. I never said we shouldn't put someone in jail.

not sure where you misunderstood me. Thats why I voted BK for jail.

[Tyrith]

Ah, okay. That makes jail a much better approach.

[hoopsguy]

I reread this, the seer can scan players inside the jail.

This is a critical point. Otherwise, if we initially elect a wolf King then he can clear another one later and set up the succession plan (see Dubb clearing Saldana last game) and really put us behind.

The seer should give strong consideration to scanning people in jail in order to potentially neutralize this risk.

[Tyrith]

I've got to go meetings for the next several hours, I'll be back late afternoon or so. I'm going to sit on my votes for now.

[Lathum]

hmm, I could have sworn it said you can't scan players in prison

[Lathum]

ok, so I think thats all the more reason to jail BK. Seer scan him, BG protect him, elect him King tomorrow.

Can we elect a new king while the old king is still in power, or do we HAVE to lynch the old king?

[Autumn]

hmm, I could have sworn it said you can't scan players in prison

Maybe it was that the seer can't scan from prison.

[Telle]

Villager checking in.

[Autumn]

I agree. I never said we shouldn't put someone in jail.

not sure where you misunderstood me. Thats why I voted BK for jail.

You pointed out a flaw in the jail idea, I pointed out that I thought it wasn't all that bad. I don't think there's any misunderstanding.

[Lathum]

You pointed out a flaw in the jail idea, I pointed out that I thought it wasn't all that bad. I don't think there's any misunderstanding.

20% isn't all that good, and of course the odds are we kill a villager.

Plus at the time I was under the impression the seer couldn't scan a prisoner.

[Danny]

ok, so I think thats all the more reason to jail BK. Seer scan him, BG protect him, elect him King tomorrow and then watch wolves kill him.


Added the inevitable part of your plan.

[Autumn]

The more I think about it I think the longer we go around and around about King candidates, the more likely we'll get pushed by the wolves into something. I'm goign to go with the very first candidate. At least we've got a clear protagonist in BK in that case and can keep things simple. As people have pointed out, Kings may not last long anyway, I don't want to overthink this.

<b>Vote Schmidty King</b>

(You don't vote for kings. Well how'd you become king then?)

[Autumn]

20% isn't all that good, and of course the odds are we kill a villager..

But to be clear, the alternative is to kill the villager forever. So a 20% chance at clearing them and bringing them back is a lot better, right?

[USFLTecmo]

All for the jailing idea today.

I'm all for being king, but FYI, I'm not around at deadline tonight. If that means I make a better later king, I can work with that, too.

[dubb93]

Come to think of it, question for dubb:

If we succesfully elect a king, and then lynch him, do we suffer the dire consequences?

No, you are free to lynch your king and the king is powerless to stop a rebellion. If the people feel it is time for the king to go, the king must go. The dire consequences would only come into play if there was a failed king election.

[dubb93]

The king will have a 20% chance to learn someones allegiance each night. I'm assuming this will stack, so if there are four prisoners, the king has a 20% chance of learning each one?

Yes, if there are four prisoners you have a 20% chance towards each one. There is no limit on how many auras may be revealed to a king on any given night. If there are 10 players in jail and the king gets the good dice rolls he could learn all 10 auras that night.

[dubb93]

Can we elect a new king while the old king is still in power, or do we HAVE to lynch the old king?

Once a king is elected he is king for life.

[dubb93]

Just so long as we realize that if we send someone to jail day 1, unless we're willing to absolutely use a seer scan in the next day or two on that person, there's a decent chance we're knocking them out of the game for a long time. And if I sat on the bench for four days I don't know how easy it would be for me to get back in gear. Beyond that, I'm fine with it.

Keep in mind players in jail still have a night action ability to write a letter to the village. There may be other unknown mechanics at work while in jail as well.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hey all - my day is fairly congested today until like 2:45 or 3pm but hopefully opens up significantly then.

I'll have to catch up on everything then. Please don't write like 10 pages between now and then.

[Lathum]

Added the inevitable part of your plan.

So what's your point?

The wolves can attempt to kill whoever is King.

[Lathum]

But to be clear, the alternative is to kill the villager forever. So a 20% chance at clearing them and bringing them back is a lot better, right?

of course

[Lathum]

Unvote USFLTechmo as King

based on him being unavailable at tonights deadline.

[saldana]

checking in....happy to not have 12 pages to read!

my first thought is to treat the out of the gate nomination by barkeep with a serious amount of suspicion, but he has to know that after the shenanigans of dubb and hoops last game that the first king is not going to get by without alot of votes...although i dont rule out him being a wolf, i would be relatively certain Schmidty won't be...BK wouldnt make the one for one this early in the game.

i will admit to having the same schedule trepidations as others have expressed, but i am also willing to give the man a shot since he is saying he will be around alot more.

vote schmidty as king

[Lathum]

vote schmidty as King

looks to be a runaway at this point

[Danny]

So what's your point?

The wolves can attempt to kill whoever is King.

My point is wasting a scan and block on the king and then electing them the next day may not be the best idea. Your plan came off as being cut and dry, but I don't think we can simply say scan/block and then we have a cleared king and we look good.

[Danny]

Based on the way things are going down, I think it's unlikely Schmidty is a wolf. In general I think being the first king would be bad for the wolves.

[saldana]

Based on the way things are going down, I think it's unlikely Schmidty is a wolf. In general I think being the first king would be bad for the wolves.

i already said this 4 posts ago, but thanks for portraying it as your original thought:p

[Danny]

i already said this 4 posts ago, but thanks for portraying it as your original thought:p

At least I didn't steal your lunch too.

[Lathum]

My point is wasting a scan and block on the king and then electing them the next day may not be the best idea. Your plan came off as being cut and dry, but I don't think we can simply say scan/block and then we have a cleared king and we look good.

Well then how do you propose we find a trusted king then?

[RendeR]

Damn, is everybody having a case of the Monday's? You all sound like petulant children today =)

Vote JAIL BK

Two reasons for this: First he jumped out with a real early nomination of someone who has (in the past) had issues with being around, which until he stated that he has most of the week off made very little sense. Secondly, BK is a damn good player, if we jail him he's safely out of teh way and we can scan him until we know what he really is.

As for a King vote today, I really think we ought to have a bit of a runoff instead of everyone voting schmidty just cuz'. so to promote this I will:

VOTE DANNY KING

This is completely random on my part, I looked at who was in thread and picked the third guy that showed up.

[Danny]

Well then how do you propose we find a trusted king then?

I'm not sure we necessarily need to. We need to see how the mechanic plays out, but having a system where we rotate kings every X amount of days by lynching them might not be a bad idea. Especially since we certainly don't want the seer to have to reveal just to clear a king or not.

[MartinD]

VOTE DANNY KING

To try to get out of the 'runaway' scenario, more than anything.

[Lathum]

unvote Schmidty King
vote Danny King

I like the keep it close concept.

[USFLTecmo]

Vote Danny King

I've liked what I've seen out of him in my short time here.

[Schmidty]

GOOD MORNING!!!!!

Catching up as we speak!!

[Autumn]

Anyone have the vote count? My spreadsheet's not even started ;-)

[Danny]

Since it looks like it will be between Schmidty and I, I am going to keep my king vote off both of us for now. If late I am in the lead, I will elect myself. If Schmidty is in the lead, I will elect him. It gives us a good record to keep it close for now, but in the end we have to make sure there is no tie.

[Telle]

As of post #216:

1 - Passacaglia lynch - claphamsa (157)
2 - Barkeep jail - Lathum (177), RendeR (210)

King Election:
4 - Schmidty - Barkeep (78), Schmidty (142), Autumn (192), saldana (203)
1 - hoopsguy - Danny (110)
5 - Danny - Chief Rum (141), RendeR (210), MartinD (212), Lathum (213), USFLTechmo (214)
1 - Tyrith - claphamsa (162)

[Schmidty]

Damn.

My king dreams appear to be dying. :(

[Schmidty]

Question for dubb - Can the king be scanned by the Seer?


(I'll still go back and read the rules again though)

[dubb93]

Question for dubb - Can the king be scanned by the Seer?


No

[claphamsa]

unvote lynch pass
vote jail pass

[Autumn]

We've still got lots of votes to go, no need to consider it a done deal yet.

Any thoughts on the other vote? This seems a case where it makes more sense to jail a quiet/not checked in person by the end of the day. They get to submit articles and have a chance of getting back in the game.

On the other hand I could see jailing BK on the chance that he put up Schmidty for some nefarious reason. That seems unlikely though, really.

[Schmidty]

No

Ok. I guess that does make the starting King a goner after day 1 or 2.

[claphamsa]

still wanna be king ;)

[Schmidty]

still wanna be king ;)

Sure. I do not fear death!!!!

[Telle]

vote Schmidty king

If he's not night killed within a couple of days we'd be smart to lynch him ourselves, and then if he turns up wolf we have another likely candidate for lynching in Barkeep.

[Schmidty]

In a way, it would suck to be King because I know it would only be because everyone knows I'm expendable, but oh well. I'll just deal with it. :)

[SnDvls]

checking in

will read the thread in a bit, but wanted everyone to know I was here.

[Lathum]

jeez, sure got quiet

[RendeR]

SnDvls showed up, we can't talk around him, you know that. SHHHHHHHH!

[Passacaglia]

We're tied on the king vote now, right? And isn't a tie some sort of 'dire consequence' for the village? I'd rather the king be someone I don't like instead of a tie.

[SnDvls]

My king vote would be for sndvls. Really solid player who hasn't payed for a while and I would love to give him a cool role on his first game back.


that being said I also think we should kill the original King early. So I say the seer should scan sndvls N1 and if we haven't heard anything bad about him by D2-3 we elect him King.

thanks....I guess

I'd be up for this if it helped as I'm just a villager, but it sure would suck as a come back game.

Vote Jail Barkeep
Vote King Hoopsguy

[DaddyTorgo]

Okay, looking back at the rules it seems to make sense to me to jail for the first day at least. First day votes are random, and this gives some chance for the King to get a scan and free a villager or kill a wolf. Seems like the way to go to me.

I guess that the King vote should be based on activity, to my mind. We're probably not going to elect someone like Hoops, since though he'd be good at it he'd be just as good at it as a wolf. So, someone who tends to be around and vocal, but isn't considered dreadfully dangerous. If we don't want to go with the random idea.

ME! :D

[DaddyTorgo]

I <3 Schmidty. Be nice to him.

VOTE JAIL BARKEEP

no king vote yet

[Danny]

Right now we have BK in a runaway, I realize this is jail instead of a lynch, but I think we need to treat it as if it was a lynch. Let's make sure we make this a meaningful vote.

[RendeR]

Right now we have BK in a runaway, I realize this is jail instead of a lynch, but I think we need to treat it as if it was a lynch. Let's make sure we make this a meaningful vote.


There is no downside to a lopsided jail vote. We jail him, we scan him, we decide what to do with him after that.

A lynch is a one way ticket, be it a good one or bad one.

[Passacaglia]

Not sure if I will be back at any point today, so here we go.


VOTE KING DANNY
VOTE JAIL CLAPHAMSA

[Passacaglia]

There is no downside to a lopsided jail vote. We jail him, we scan him, we decide what to do with him after that.

A lynch is a one way ticket, be it a good one or bad one.

And we're going to trust the scan?

[Passacaglia]

And, why scan him if he's in jail -- why not just wait for the 20% to kick in, and use the scan on someone else? It's not particularly effective, but there's no risk of wasting a scan.

[Danny]

There is no downside to a lopsided jail vote. We jail him, we scan him, we decide what to do with him after that.

A lynch is a one way ticket, be it a good one or bad one.

If we do that, we basically waste an entire day and only gain anything useful on one player. I would advise not scanning whatever player is jailed today. I also think we need meaningful voting records (not saying it has to be a lynch) as a runaway tells us nothing.

[RendeR]

Because by scanning him we canthen USE him, either as the next king or an immediate lynch vote, or at worst a basis for a CoT.

The 20% doesn't stack, it never gets better and 1-5 chances aren't good odds, why wait for it when we can do something else?

[RendeR]

I understand the idea of waiting for the 20% chance to hit, but what then? we just keep tossing people in jail? thats gonna make for a pretty boring game.

[Danny]

Because by scanning him we canthen USE him, either as the next king or an immediate lynch vote, or at worst a basis for a CoT.


And that can all be done with a player who is not in jail. Plus there is additional chance of someone in jail ending up killed or scanned by the king. Plus, it's not like the seer is going to come out on day two and let us know about the jailed player.

[hoopsguy]

I don't think the seer comes out to "clear" the person in jail, even if they do decide to scan him. So the person in jail is going to be there for at least a couple of days, depending on the whims of the king.

As far as the "lynch the King" every couple of days, I'm fine with that if elected. I'm not sure how much of an issue that is (my support, or lack thereof), but I've got a couple of votes for the position so I figured I might as well chime in on this. I'm also pretty sure of how I would handle my King repsonsibilities if put in office, but I'm not sure I want to share them just yet as it would be yielding info to the wolves that they could potentially use as part of their decision process.

Finally, I'm probably not going to be very high participation tomorrow. If that is a good enough reason to jail me over someone else, so be it. I would just hope that if I am sent to jail for that day that I get a "get out of jail free" pass at some point in the near future as I think I'll be around and active from Wed - Fri at the very least.

[dubb93]

Vote Count:

BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235)
Pass Jail - 1 - Clap (222)
Clap Jail - 1 - Pass (238)

King Election Count:

Danny - 6 - CR (141), Render (210), MartinD (212), Lathum (213), USFL (214), Pass (238)
Schmidty - 5 - Barkeep (78), Schmidty (142), Autumn (192), Saldana (203), Telle (226)
Hoops - 2 - Danny (110), SnDvls (223)
Tyrith - 1 - Clap (162)

[Danny]

I understand the idea of waiting for the 20% chance to hit, but what then? we just keep tossing people in jail? thats gonna make for a pretty boring game.

I will say this, if I am king, I may not wait for a scan to remove a jailed player if I feel that player is likely to be a wolf. Since right now the collection of prisoners would be very small, I doubt that would happen, but at some point for me or other kings, I think this would be true.

[Schmidty]

Here's what I don't get. Let's say we jail a very good player like BK to see if he's clean, and he does end up being fine and ready to really help us out. Why would the wolves even let him live? Wouldn't it be like wasting a vote and another day?

[Danny]

Here's what I don't get. Let's say we jail a very good player like BK to see if he's clean, and he does end up being fine and ready to really help us out. Why would the wolves even let him live? Wouldn't it be like wasting a vote and another day?

I agree with this. I am fine with jailing over lynching, but we need to treat the jailing as if it was a lynch vote and would prefer scans to be on players not in jail.

[RendeR]

Yeah, I'm not real certain what the best way is to handle the jailing mechanic