Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS)

[Lathum]

I say jail me, then is you need to use me as a villager to win the game release me since I would count towards that ratio.

[The Jackal]

I say jail me, then is you need to use me as a villager to win the game release me since I would count towards that ratio.

i don't think i want to listen to your advice, but thanks

[RendeR]

Oh duh, if we jail him we can't lynch anyone else....nevermind, my sleep deprived brain isn't fully online this morning.

[The Jackal]

suppose i should wait for the writeup before making any plans on voting

[The Jackal]

for those that care, i just hit 80 ;)

[Danny]

Oh, Happy Birthday!

[The Jackal]

Oh, Happy Birthday!

Quiet yous.

[dubb93]

Morning comes and you feel a feeling you have not felt in a long time, a feeling of dread. There is a thick fog in the air, the air is thick, and it is not easy to breathe. For some reason you feel sick to your stomach. The smell of evil is in the air once again. You quickly grab your newspaper, making sure not to spend too much time outside alone. You glance down at the headline and read:

Telle Brutally Murdered

You begin to read the story.

Vanilla villager Telle was brutally murdered last night in her home. The scene of the crime was absolutely horrific….tortured beyond comprehension…..writings on the wall in blood…..Arbitro written in blood…..the scene was absolutely evil. If you have any information please notify your local law enforcement agency.

Reading about the murder of Telle confirms the sickness you have felt in your stomach. It can’t be, can it? He can’t be back, he just can’t be.
In other news you look through the newspaper for a correspondence from prison and can’t find one. You assume Abe Sargent must be a free man as you wouldn’t be one to miss out on a public execution.

Telle was a Vanilla Villager

Abe Sargent has been freed from jail by King Pass

Night 4 has come to an end. Day 5 has begun. Deadline is 11p EST Friday. Night 5 deadline will be 4p EST Saturday.

1. Barkeep49
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe
5. MartinD
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. Passacaglia - Elected King Day 3
8. <s>Telle</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 4
9. The Jackal
10. <s>Danny</s> - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. Autumn
12. Lathum
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. Chief Rum
16. saldana
17. <s>DaddyTorgo</s> - Diffama Fabula - Killed Night 3
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. <s>KWhit</s> - Lynched Day 4, Vanilla Villager
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

[The Jackal]

well, at least she wasn't the seer

[The Jackal]

if someone wants to give me a reason why we should jail him, i'm all ears, but:

VOTE LYNCH LATHUM

[Danny]

Dubb, you left out the part where Lord Righteous comes back to life.

[Lathum]

damn, I got blocked.

But I know who did it.......

[Passacaglia]

if someone wants to give me a reason why we should jail him, i'm all ears, but:

VOTE LYNCH LATHUM

Isn't the fact that he's probably the Cultist enough?

[Autumn]

I think it's clear we should simply string up Lathum. If he's still a villager-cultist we remove the threat of conversion. If he's already converted, or simply a wolf, we nab a wolf.

<b>VOTE LYNCH LATHUM</b>

[lerriuqs]

For the record, my current trust reads on the players left in the game:

Strong Trust

Pass
Abe
Autumn

Mild trust

Render, SnDvls

No lean either way

lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, Telle, The Jackal

Mild distrust

Barkeep, path12, saldana

Strong distrust

Lathum

Most of the strong tusts/distrusts are from interpretations of in game decisions and mechanics. The three middle categories are pretty much based on nothing but gut on posts and behavior and what not.

I like this list as a good place to start today...

[The Jackal]

Isn't the fact that he's probably the Cultist enough?

i just don't see why delaying his death is at all beneficial, either way he's going to be a villager removed from the ratio, and killing him prevents any prison shenanigans, and what if he's a wolf and not the cultist?

[Lathum]

I'll tell you what.

I'll keep mum about who blocked me last night if you put me in prison

[Autumn]

I agree Jackal, putting him in jail simply means we have to worry about him breaking out, which is another thing for the bodyguard to worry about. It's very likely he's the cultist, glad to get us to waste a day lynching a non-wolf. THe fact that he went public on all this probably means he can't really do anything and just wants us running scared, but I don't think it would be wise to take that chance, not when we don't have another wolf candidate.

[RendeR]

Well shit...why Telle? what vibe did she give anyone that would make her a target?

[Autumn]

I would guess they simply wanted to target someone they were sure wouldn't be guarded.

[Danny]

Wow, there are more people in thread than are alive.

[lerriuqs]

I agree Jackal, putting him in jail simply means we have to worry about him breaking out, which is another thing for the bodyguard to worry about. It's very likely he's the cultist, glad to get us to waste a day lynching a non-wolf. THe fact that he went public on all this probably means he can't really do anything and just wants us running scared, but I don't think it would be wise to take that chance, not when we don't have another wolf candidate.

Based on the fact that he's saying he was blocked and is not dead, I'd say he's still not converted.

[hoopsguy]

12 members viewing - 5 are dead, 1 is not in the game.

Danny, KWhit, Telle, Tyrith, Thomkal - want to get our own game going on the side since we seem to have time to kill? :)

[lerriuqs]

Personally, I don't like lynching Lathum, I'd rather see us go after someone else try to find the wolves. Other than the fact that he can name the bodyguard today, how much of a threat is he?

[lerriuqs]

I guess the one thing is that he can perform nightkills, but let's not let this be a runaway...

[USFLTecmo]

VOTE LYNCH LATHUM

[RendeR]

Wait, you were blocked? If telle is dead what were YOU doing that you got blocked?


I'm so confuzed.

[The Jackal]

lerriuqs, those two posts confuse me, it seems like in the first you're suggesting he's the cultist who hasn't been converted and in the second that he can perform nightkills? i think it's exactly this kind of confusion that suggests we should lynch him - we don't really have info on anyone else in the game unless the seer reveals

[USFLTecmo]

Personally, I don't like lynching Lathum, I'd rather see us go after someone else try to find the wolves. Other than the fact that he can name the bodyguard today, how much of a threat is he?

He's also one of the most persuasive players around. I say get rid of him before he causes any more damage.

[Telle]

:(

[lerriuqs]

Wait, you were blocked? If telle is dead what were YOU doing that you got blocked?


I'm so confuzed.

The cultist can perform nightkills as well...

Drago is a skilled seer and may scan one player each night to determine that player's aura. Will read The Dark One as having a light aura. Drago has spent his life studying The Dark One and as such has himself become corrupted. While not a skilled knight The Dark One may yet have use for Drago. If Drago becomes converted he is only able to have a 50% success rate on a kill attempt and will himself be killed if he encounters a member of The Order of Righteousness. Drago performs kills with poison. While lethal, with Drago having no formal combat training and instead living the life of a scholar, Drago finds himself having trouble getting close enough to administer the poison. If Drago does not become converted he still may have a chance to perform a night kill. There also may be other conversion mechanics at work to get Drago on the side of The Dark One. However these mechanics are known only to Drago.

[The Jackal]

ahh i missed that part, the whole blocking thing makes sense now

[Autumn]

Lathum is suggesting he was blocked to make us worry that he can do night kills. Whether he really was or not is doubtful, I imagine he's simply trying to get the BG to out himself since he failed to get the seer to out himself yesterday. I would suggest the BG not take the bait. I also would not necessarily believe Lathum that he even was blocked or can do a night kill.

Stlll, I agree, simplest solution is to kill him and not worry about him confusing people or giving the wolves meat to work with in confusing us.

[Thomkal]

12 members viewing - 5 are dead, 1 is not in the game.

Danny, KWhit, Telle, Tyrith, Thomkal - want to get our own game going on the side since we seem to have time to kill? :)

What and miss all the excitement going on here? Though I was ready to throw my popcorn at the screen when everything turned boring yesterday with the mass lynch of KWhit with little opposition. :)

[Passacaglia]

Wait, you were blocked? If telle is dead what were YOU doing that you got blocked?


I'm so confuzed.

The cultist has a night-kill.

[The Jackal]

Lathum is suggesting he was blocked to make us worry that he can do night kills. Whether he really was or not is doubtful, I imagine he's simply trying to get the BG to out himself since he failed to get the seer to out himself yesterday. I would suggest the BG not take the bait. I also would not necessarily believe Lathum that he even was blocked or can do a night kill.

Stlll, I agree, simplest solution is to kill him and not worry about him confusing people or giving the wolves meat to work with in confusing us.

and furthermore, on the chance he does know who the BG is, he's clearly going to reveal it no matter what we do if he's the cultist

[KWhit]

What and miss all the excitement going on here? Though I was ready to throw my popcorn at the screen when everything turned boring yesterday with the mass lynch of KWhit with little opposition. :)

Bah!

[The Jackal]

I guess the one thing is that he can perform nightkills, but let's not let this be a runaway...

so if we put the lathum votes aside, theoretically, you'd want to go after someone in the distrust section of CR's list?

[Autumn]

Certainly, which is why I'm guessing he doesn't know, as he can't really think we'd make that bargain with him.

BODYGUARD PLEASE DON'T REVEAL JUST TO DISPUTE LATHUM'S CLAIM

I would very much like to get through this Lathum nonsense without having revealed any of our roles to out him.

[Chief Rum]

All right, it's time.

I am Crystal Oculo. My apologies to KWhit for letting him hang. I didn't feel it was right to coem out then.

I haven't been a particularly great seer, since I haven't found a wolf. But with the BG still around, and a shrinking pool of probably three wolves, it seems to be the right time to set up an official CoT.

My results today, and the wolves' kill target allowed two more uncleareds to come off of the list, and I think that gives us a lot to work with.

Here goes:

Night One: Scanned Danny (good, of course)
Night Two: Scanned Abe (good, this is why I wanted to jail him at worst, not lynch)
Night Three: Scanned Autumn (good, wanted to get info from lynch votes on him)
Night Four (last night): Scanned path12 (good)

path was the first one that actually surprised me a little. I thought there was a good chance he would come up dark.

FTR, I think we need to lynch Lathum today to be certain he is the Cultist. If he is not, we cannot trust the above scans quite yet. But I am pretty sure Lathum is the Cultist. His block reference pretty much clears any remaining doubt, as we know the wolves weren't blocked last night.

[Lathum]

and furthermore, on the chance he does know who the BG is, he's clearly going to reveal it no matter what we do if he's the cultist

I am true to my word.

Once you jail me I can't speak anyway.

[The Jackal]

well it's a shame you don't have a wolf but i agree with the need for a COT - we really did have 0 info besides lathum and this is day 5

[Autumn]

Hah, I am good at this after all. I had you pegged, Chief. Thanks for the boost to my self confidence.

[The Jackal]

and i hope this is a legit reveal..

[Lathum]

LMAO!!!!!


guess who I tried to kill last night and was blocked!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Barkeep49]

Everything out of Lathum's mouth is crap.

Lynch Lathum

[lerriuqs]

so if we put the lathum votes aside, theoretically, you'd want to go after someone in the distrust section of CR's list?

That would be where I'd suggest starting...And I'd probably lean towards saldana at this point...

[Thomkal]

Bah!

Sorry about that KWhit, for what its worth, I thought you were a villager. :)

[Autumn]

So, chief's list with some revisions (and including him)

Strong Trust

Chief Rum
Pass
Abe
Autumn
Path12

Mild trust

Render, SnDvls

No lean either way

lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal

Mild distrust

Barkeep, saldana

Strong distrust

Lathum

[The Jackal]

CR, is this then accurate?:

cleared: abe, autumn, path

presumed bad: lathum

presumed good: cr, pass (since no one has counter-revealed)

unknown: BK, lerriuqs, USFL, martin, jackal, sndvls, render, saldana

[Chief Rum]

Our wolves must be among the following:

BK, saldana, lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal, Render and SnDvls

Three are wolves. We'll have another cleared tomorrow, presuming the BG protects me. If Lathum reveals a BG, the BG will die tonight, but we'll have another cleared player. Hopefully it is someone on the list above.

[RendeR]

wow, now thats a CoT of 5. Controlling interest anyone? =)

[Lathum]

Everything out of Lathum's mouth is crap.



you've been extra venomous towards me this game

[Autumn]

Good list, Jackal, thanks.

[Passacaglia]

Autumn and CR -- can you guys explain your mild trust of RendeR and SnDvls? It strikes me as odd that you both have those two in that category.

[Lathum]

Wolves, I was blocked last night attempting to kill CR, you should have a free kill on him tonight barring any unseen roll/ mechanic.

[hoopsguy]

Everything out of Lathum's mouth is crap.

Lynch Lathum

This is kind of surreal for me, watching people react this way to another player.

OK, back to being dead.

[Autumn]

Autumn and CR -- can you guys explain your mild trust of RendeR and SnDvls? It strikes me as odd that you both have those two in that category.

I was only quoting Chief's list, that's all.

[USFLTecmo]

Our wolves must be among the following:

BK, saldana, lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal, Render and SnDvls

Three are wolves. We'll have another cleared tomorrow, presuming the BG protects me. If Lathum reveals a BG, the BG will die tonight, but we'll have another cleared player. Hopefully it is someone on the list above.

I wish I had time for this at the moment, but can we get voting records on the eight listed here? It might point us towards someone else that looks off.

[Chief Rum]

Hah, I am good at this after all. I had you pegged, Chief. Thanks for the boost to my self confidence.

I was pretty sure you knew. I actually dropped a ton of hints. I thought the wolves would come after me last night.

I was also pretty sure Lathum would come after me.

Clearly, the BG made a good guess, too. Although that's a bit of a quandary now. I can't be protected tonight.

[Autumn]

Our wolves must be among the following:

BK, saldana, lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal, Render and SnDvls

Three are wolves. We'll have another cleared tomorrow, presuming the BG protects me. If Lathum reveals a BG, the BG will die tonight, but we'll have another cleared player. Hopefully it is someone on the list above.

BK gets some suspicion for having been "cleared" by Lathum the fake seer, though that doesn't mean much. Saldana and SnDvls have been on my radar the whole game but I don't have anything new or that telling to say there. USFL was the quiet guy Tyrith pointed us towards instead of SnDvls which makes me feel slightly better about him. Lerriuqs seems to be encouraging us this morning not to have a runaway on Lathum which could be a wolf ploy to hope to fix the vote at the end. That's all I have at first thought.

[Chief Rum]

So, chief's list with some revisions (and including him)

Strong Trust

Chief Rum
Pass
Abe
Autumn
Path12

Mild trust

Render, SnDvls

No lean either way

lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal

Mild distrust

Barkeep, saldana

Strong distrust

Lathum

Yeah, that's probably a good revision.

BK I am a little torn on. It depends on how you read Lathum's actions. On Day One, he came out hard on BK, and then did the turnaround on Day Two. The suggestion is he read BK as a wolf with his first scan.

But then would Lathum have even brought up BK in his lie reveal if that were true? He knew from the second he revealed that he would be found out, and his "scans" parsed in the aftermath. So if BK is really a wolf, why put the target on him? And that's on top of BK making what would be the odd move in nominating Schmidty right away.

So I am leaning against voting BK at the moment, actually. Maybe put him in a TBD department.

saldana's a good choice.

[The Jackal]

Autumn and CR -- can you guys explain your mild trust of RendeR and SnDvls? It strikes me as odd that you both have those two in that category.

i guess this is only for CR since autumn just copied the list but i'm curious about this too

[lerriuqs]

BK gets some suspicion for having been "cleared" by Lathum the fake seer, though that doesn't mean much. Saldana and SnDvls have been on my radar the whole game but I don't have anything new or that telling to say there. USFL was the quiet guy Tyrith pointed us towards instead of SnDvls which makes me feel slightly better about him. Lerriuqs seems to be encouraging us this morning not to have a runaway on Lathum which could be a wolf ploy to hope to fix the vote at the end. That's all I have at first thought.
Fix the vote how? We know Lathum is bad - how is trying to create some other options to avoid this becoming another useless day (as far as voting records are concerned) a "wolf ploy"?

[SnDvls]

vote jail lathum

he's just stiring up trouble, but we could use his numbers later on if needed. Pass can always off him in jail if needed too and we'd still get a lynch vote with Pass offing him in jail.

[KWhit]

All right, it's time.

I am Crystal Oculo. My apologies to KWhit for letting him hang. I didn't feel it was right to coem out then.

I haven't been a particularly great seer, since I haven't found a wolf. But with the BG still around, and a shrinking pool of probably three wolves, it seems to be the right time to set up an official CoT.

My results today, and the wolves' kill target allowed two more uncleareds to come off of the list, and I think that gives us a lot to work with.

Here goes:

Night One: Scanned Danny (good, of course)
Night Two: Scanned Abe (good, this is why I wanted to jail him at worst, not lynch)
Night Three: Scanned Autumn (good, wanted to get info from lynch votes on him)
Night Four (last night): Scanned path12 (good)

path was the first one that actually surprised me a little. I thought there was a good chance he would come up dark.

FTR, I think we need to lynch Lathum today to be certain he is the Cultist. If he is not, we cannot trust the above scans quite yet. But I am pretty sure Lathum is the Cultist. His block reference pretty much clears any remaining doubt, as we know the wolves weren't blocked last night.

You couldn't have done this one day earlier?

Bah!

[Passacaglia]

Could Lathum have changed position on BK because he knew that BK was a wolf, and the wolves would not kill him if he turned in this way -- accusing a wolf, then changing his tune to thinking he was good? This way, he tips his hat that he's the seer to villagers, but the wolves wouldn't really think that's possible?

[Autumn]

vote jail lathum

he's just stiring up trouble, but we could use his numbers later on if needed. Pass can always off him in jail if needed too and we'd still get a lynch vote with Pass offing him in jail.

This doesn't save us any time as we still have to vote to jail him. In addition, we don't know what his hidden conversion mechanic is, he may already be converted.

[SnDvls]

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168)
Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108)
Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194)
DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126)


Day 4 Final Vote Count:

KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440)

Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

[Autumn]

Fix the vote how? We know Lathum is bad - how is trying to create some other options to avoid this becoming another useless day (as far as voting records are concerned) a "wolf ploy"?

I'm not saying it definitely is.

But on a day where we have a known bad guy on the block, introducing any other votes makes it possible that somehow or other we don't manage to vote Lathum out today. A voting record of a known bad guy against a new target isn't going to help us much, but it introduces the possibolity that Lathum escapes justice.

[SnDvls]

damn...let me fix that

[lerriuqs]

This doesn't save us any time as we still have to vote to jail him. In addition, we don't know what his hidden conversion mechanic is, he may already be converted.

If he was blocked - he's not converted as per the rules. If he was converted and then blocked, he'd be dead.

[Chief Rum]

Autumn and CR -- can you guys explain your mild trust of RendeR and SnDvls? It strikes me as odd that you both have those two in that category.

For Render, it is largely his continued support of jailing even yesterday. KWhit was jail supporter #1, but Render was right there. Plus, I have a good vibe off his play.

With SnDvls, it's mostly been vibe. He has made the same reads on things I have, which hints that he's looking at it from the same perspective, and since I'm the seer, I figure that's a good thing.

Plus, I thought he was unfairly targeted early on, and there wasn't a lot of support fighting him off as a target when that happened, as there would have been with four wolves around.

BTW, my assumption is four wolves to start the game. So adjust that number to whatever you feel meshes with your view.

[RendeR]

You couldn't have done this one day earlier?

Bah!



Ok this made me snort pepsi...

[Autumn]

Lerriuqs, I believe we don't know what his conversion mechanic is once the Dark One is gone. It may be something that can still be fulfilled even if he's sent to jail.

In addition, we don't know that he was really blocked, that could be more BS. Notice he didn't reveal who his target was until after CR revealed.

[Autumn]

Lerriuqs, I believe we don't know what his conversion mechanic is once the Dark One is gone. It may be something that can still be fulfilled even if he's sent to jail.

In addition, we don't know that he was really blocked, that could be more BS. Notice he didn't reveal who his target was until after CR revealed.

[SnDvls]

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168)
Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108)
Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194)
DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126)


Day 4 Final Vote Count:

KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440)

Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

[Chief Rum]

Could Lathum have changed position on BK because he knew that BK was a wolf, and the wolves would not kill him if he turned in this way -- accusing a wolf, then changing his tune to thinking he was good? This way, he tips his hat that he's the seer to villagers, but the wolves wouldn't really think that's possible?

Only thing is he didn't start the game knowing any wolves. He wouldn't have known BK was a wolf on Day One, when he came after him strongest.

[lerriuqs]

Lerriuqs, I believe we don't know what his conversion mechanic is once the Dark One is gone. It may be something that can still be fulfilled even if he's sent to jail.

In addition, we don't know that he was really blocked, that could be more BS. Notice he didn't reveal who his target was until after CR revealed.

Why would he BS about that? He's the cultist, he wants the wolves to win. If they get the seer today, it's a huge help - he doesn't have to lie about that and the BG doesn't have to show regardless.

[lerriuqs]

I'm not saying it definitely is.

But on a day where we have a known bad guy on the block, introducing any other votes makes it possible that somehow or other we don't manage to vote Lathum out today. A voting record of a known bad guy against a new target isn't going to help us much, but it introduces the possibolity that Lathum escapes justice.

Except Lathum isn't an unknown, we can always get him tomorrow. But if some late shenanigans happen, you get a helluva lot more information than from a runaway.

[Passacaglia]

Only thing is he didn't start the game knowing any wolves. He wouldn't have known BK was a wolf on Day One, when he came after him strongest.

I think if his plan was to scan him N1, and he was a villager, he would just keep attacking, instead of backing off. Although, looking at the vote log, did he really vote BK on D2?

[SnDvls]

this list is w/ CR's list added COT FYI

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168)
Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108)
Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194)
DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126)


Day 4 Final Vote Count:

KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440)

Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

[Autumn]

Why would he BS about that? He's the cultist, he wants the wolves to win. If they get the seer today, it's a huge help - he doesn't have to lie about that and the BG doesn't have to show regardless.

Frankly I'm not going to claim to be able to think as deviously as Lathum. So, I'm not sure. But I think it's possible he's just trying to mislead us more. If he doesn't have a night kill or conversion ability yet he may fake it just to freak us out. Perhaps he's simply trying to keep us from leaving him alone and lynching a wolf instead. I just don't want to operate on any basis htat starts with the assumption "What Lathum said was correct."

[Autumn]

I think if his plan was to scan him N1, and he was a villager, he would just keep attacking, instead of backing off. Although, looking at the vote log, did he really vote BK on D2?

He did but he said it was because he wanted him to get King scanned so we could make him the second king.

[Chief Rum]

Lerriuqs, I believe we don't know what his conversion mechanic is once the Dark One is gone. It may be something that can still be fulfilled even if he's sent to jail.

In addition, we don't know that he was really blocked, that could be more BS. Notice he didn't reveal who his target was until after CR revealed.

I lean towards BS myself. With Pass out there, and the prison, it wouldn't have made much sense for the BG to protect me last night (someone he wasn't sure his allegiance).

[Autumn]

SnDvls, Path should be marked in blue as well.

[Passacaglia]

He did but he said it was because he wanted him to get King scanned so we could make him the second king.

Gotcha. FTR, it looks like he also voted to lynch KWhit later in the day, but forgot to unvote.

[Passacaglia]

I lean towards BS myself. With Pass out there, and the prison, it wouldn't have made much sense for the BG to protect me last night (someone he wasn't sure his allegiance).

Also, the good news is that if I'm killed, you'll absolutely know I'm a villager, and therefore you'll be 100% sure that Abe is good.

[SnDvls]

SnDvls, Path should be marked in blue as well.

missed him on day 2, but got him on the other days

[Lathum]

well, I have to go fix a toilet seat. have fun!

[SnDvls]

well, I have to go fix a toilet seat. have fun!

you can flush yourself down it wolf wanna be :lol: :D

[Autumn]

BK's allegiance is the only one that unlocks a lot of voting information, so I'd be likely to vote for him tomorrow I think.

[Autumn]

Why would he BS about that? He's the cultist, he wants the wolves to win. If they get the seer today, it's a huge help - he doesn't have to lie about that and the BG doesn't have to show regardless.

You're right though, it wouldn't make sense for Lathum to mislead the wolves. Assuming he's a cultist. If he's a wolf he may simply be playing the cultist card to entice us into leaving him around.

[Autumn]

I think if his plan was to scan him N1, and he was a villager, he would just keep attacking, instead of backing off. Although, looking at the vote log, did he really vote BK on D2?

It's a good point. I think it casts enough suspicion on BK that we should scan or lynch him and find out.

[RendeR]

Is there really any good reason to keep him alive?

From what I can see he counts as a villager, so jailing him does give us a +1 towards winning if we keep him around till later.

As the cultist, if thats what he really is, he's a conversion prospect, but we don't know exactly HOW that works.

We know he's a darkfriend, but what real damage can he do at this point?

I'm torn between lynching (75%) and jailing (25%)

[Barkeep49]

you've been extra venomous towards me this game
Day 1 I was playing an aggressive game trying to get scanned. And to think I thought it worked. Now it's just I want to be clear about the fact that we shouldn't listen to you.

[Chief Rum]

I have to get some work done, so I am checking out for a bit. I'll be back later.

[path12]

at least we know we can lynch lathum happily.

That always is kind of a nice thing.

[USFLTecmo]

Is there really any good reason to keep him alive?

From what I can see he counts as a villager, so jailing him does give us a +1 towards winning if we keep him around till later.

As the cultist, if thats what he really is, he's a conversion prospect, but we don't know exactly HOW that works.

We know he's a darkfriend, but what real damage can he do at this point?

I'm torn between lynching (75%) and jailing (25%)

There's some way the cultist can do a night kill, which means we're losing a "villager" one way or the other, if he's able to execute it at any point. I'd rather it be one that wants us to lose rather than one of the rest of us.

[path12]

You say something about path? ;)

That happens more than you'd think. I always notice it.

[RendeR]

There's some way the cultist can do a night kill, which means we're losing a "villager" one way or the other, if he's able to execute it at any point. I'd rather it be one that wants us to lose rather than one of the rest of us.


If he's in jail he can't kill anyone.

[MartinD]

VOTE LATHUM LYNCH

Doesn't really need a lot of explanation - Lathum is obviously not on the side of the village, and I feel that it's safer to get him permanently out of the way rather than take the risk of him being able to get out of jail.

[path12]

Based on the fact that he's saying he was blocked and is not dead, I'd say he's still not converted.

Personally, I don't like lynching Lathum, I'd rather see us go after someone else try to find the wolves. Other than the fact that he can name the bodyguard today, how much of a threat is he?

I guess the one thing is that he can perform nightkills, but let's not let this be a runaway...

All three of these strike me as......well.......weird. Just me?

[path12]

Here goes:

Night One: Scanned Danny (good, of course)
Night Two: Scanned Abe (good, this is why I wanted to jail him at worst, not lynch)
Night Three: Scanned Autumn (good, wanted to get info from lynch votes on him)
Night Four (last night): Scanned path12 (good)

path was the first one that actually surprised me a little. I thought there was a good chance he would come up dark.

Heh. I'm rusty plus playing an aggressive game this time. I can see why you'd wonder.

BTW, sorry Abe for the lynch push. It was the best I had to go on at the time.

[lerriuqs]

All three of these strike me as......well.......weird. Just me?

The first post is obvious based on the game rules. The cultist can attempt a nightkill but he's converted and blocked - he's killed.

The second and third are an opinion that we'll get more info by not lynching Lathum in a runaway. But I want to see Lathum lynched at some point to see where he does sit.

[RendeR]

back in a while.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE BARKEEP49 JAIL

I realize that Lathum has his other mechanics that can get him converted, but it seems like the way he's playing is such that he's not really going for it.

[path12]

The first post is obvious based on the game rules. The cultist can attempt a nightkill but he's converted and blocked - he's killed.

The second and third are an opinion that we'll get more info by not lynching Lathum in a runaway. But I want to see Lathum lynched at some point to see where he does sit.

I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that as I understand the rules (haven't gone back to check this particular thing) there are still events that can convert him, or there could be other ways to break him out of jail. I mean, yeah, if it comes down to the wire then he can make a difference in the ratio, but I think that especially with what Chief has put out there that barring some kind of multiple villager death scenario that we have finally started to get an upper hand here. Jailing him seems to invite trouble later.

I think it's valuable today to discuss others down the road, but I think the chance of a meaningful run-off today is probably not in the cards.

I think that's a bit of a ramble, but hopefully the gist is clear.

VOTE LYNCH LATHUM

[Autumn]

While out it occurred to me a better possibility to get us another scan. If the BG isn't able to guard Chief tonight (which admittedly involves trusting Lathum) should we jail Chief today to keep him safe?

Did we ever ascertain if the followers can kill inside the jail?

[Passacaglia]

While out it occurred to me a better possibility to get us another scan. If the BG isn't able to guard Chief tonight (which admittedly involves trusting Lathum) should we jail Chief today to keep him safe?

Did we ever ascertain if the followers can kill inside the jail?

I would think not -- private roles are basically removed when you're in jail.

[Lathum]

I will be revealing the BG's name today if I am lynched, unless Pass dukes it.

[Autumn]

I would think not -- private roles are basically removed when you're in jail.

No, I"m sorry, what I mean is can the Dark One's followers night kill somebody who is in jail. Dubb, can I get a ruling on this (though I think maybe you already said?)

[Abe Sargent]

I say jail me, then is you need to use me as a villager to win the game release me since I would count towards that ratio.

jailed players do not count for the win ratio. Nice try though.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Lynch Lathum

[Passacaglia]

I will be revealing the BG's name today if I am lynched, unless Pass dukes it.

Okay -- I'll duke it then. Any ideas who I should duke to?

[Lathum]

jailed players do not count for the win ratio. Nice try though.

I know that, which is why I said if you need me RELEASE ME!!!!!

[dubb93]

Followers of The Dark One may not kill prisoners. The Dark One himself is the only character that is able to kill prisoners. If they perform a jail raid every prisoner is freed regardless of private role and/or light or dark aura..

[Abe Sargent]

All right, it's time.

I am Crystal Oculo. My apologies to KWhit for letting him hang. I didn't feel it was right to coem out then.

I haven't been a particularly great seer, since I haven't found a wolf. But with the BG still around, and a shrinking pool of probably three wolves, it seems to be the right time to set up an official CoT.

My results today, and the wolves' kill target allowed two more uncleareds to come off of the list, and I think that gives us a lot to work with.

Here goes:

Night One: Scanned Danny (good, of course)
Night Two: Scanned Abe (good, this is why I wanted to jail him at worst, not lynch)
Night Three: Scanned Autumn (good, wanted to get info from lynch votes on him)
Night Four (last night): Scanned path12 (good)

path was the first one that actually surprised me a little. I thought there was a good chance he would come up dark.

FTR, I think we need to lynch Lathum today to be certain he is the Cultist. If he is not, we cannot trust the above scans quite yet. But I am pretty sure Lathum is the Cultist. His block reference pretty much clears any remaining doubt, as we know the wolves weren't blocked last night.

Wow. I got cleared twice in one day!

[Lathum]

Okay -- I'll duke it then. Any ideas who I should duke to?

Barkeep

[Passacaglia]

Barkeep

Why him?

[Abe Sargent]

You couldn't have done this one day earlier?

Bah!

I think CR played it right. It prevents us from having to choose which seer is which, wheihc I have see ntake up 2-3 days of WW time, and we just got through all of that in one.

[Abe Sargent]

I do not have this SnDvls and RendeR trust that some seem t pohave

[SnDvls]

I will be revealing the BG's name today if I am lynched, unless Pass dukes it.

I know you like to play this "I know the BG game" but you don't or you would have already said it. It's just a game for you to pass the time before you get lynched today. I'm actually rather sick of it myself, but realize we may need to keep you around....keep pushing it and I'll put you neck in the noose myself. ;)

[Abe Sargent]

Heh. I'm rusty plus playing an aggressive game this time. I can see why you'd wonder.

BTW, sorry Abe for the lynch push. It was the best I had to go on at the time.

Kisses!

[Lathum]

Why him?

call it a hunch. I get a wolf vibe from him.

[Abe Sargent]

I know that, which is why I said if you need me RELEASE ME!!!!!

Let me go....

Anyone?

[Barkeep49]

Why him?
Cause I've been mean to him.

[Lathum]

Cause I've been mean to him.

lol

[SnDvls]

I do not have this SnDvls and RendeR trust that some seem t pohave


Our wolves must be among the following:

BK, saldana, lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal, Render and SnDvls

Three are wolves. We'll have another cleared tomorrow, presuming the BG protects me. If Lathum reveals a BG, the BG will die tonight, but we'll have another cleared player. Hopefully it is someone on the list above.

it's only a mild trust for some.

although I know I'm good so it's full trust in my book.

[Abe Sargent]

I know you like to play this "I know the BG game" but you don't or you would have already said it. It's just a game for you to pass the time before you get lynched today. I'm actually rather sick of it myself, but realize we may need to keep you around....keep pushing it and I'll put you neck in the noose myself. ;)

That's what hoops does too, only I find myself more likely to trust a hoopsguy claim post-wolf reveal than a Lathum one. Lathum is slimier. If hoops made this offer, who knows what I'd do, just for fun?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm particularly distrubed by how often RendeR is missing the rules. There wree several posts when I was in speak-less-ness that spoke to this.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and in case no one noticed, Abe is F'in Back! That's right, welcome back to Speaktown!

[Abe Sargent]

BK's whole Lynch Them theory is borne out ot be false by my continued presence here. I was jailed instead of lynched, then cleared x2, and freed and now you hgave a confirmed good villager instead of a dead one. I still think you need to lynch to win when you have cases like yesterdya and today, but by and large, jailing apperas to be right to me right now, with a laregly confirmed guy as King.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I've got work for a couple of hours and whatnot. I'll catch you all in a few.

[Autumn]

Okay, thanks Dubb. I was feeding the kids so I couldn't really check and thougth it had been vague definitely not.

What do people think about jailing Chief Rum today so we can get an extra scan out of him??

[Autumn]

I guess that move depends a lot on whether Lathum really knows the BG or not. If he does, jailing Chief probably won't help and will just cost us a day. If he doesn't, and if the wolves don't get lucky, then we could lynch Lathum tomorrow and get another scan tomorrow night.

[Passacaglia]

Can you lay out how jailing CR buys us an extra scan?

[Autumn]

Presuming that the BG did guard Chief last night (which I'm not sure whether to trust, but we can get to that after), he can't guard Chief tonight. Therefore Chief will most likely get night killed. if we jail him, he cannot be night killed tonight. That would allow him to be released tomorrow and guarded again.

I think this is basically the plan someone, Lerriuqs?, posed before for Lathum when we thought he was the seer.

[Passacaglia]

Ah, got it. But how confident are we that Lathum was blocked by the BG? Maybe someone could have prevented him from doing an action?

[Autumn]

You're right, Pass, I'm not sure how much to trust that fact. Buying ourselves another scan would be nice though.

I guess if he's lying/incorrect, then the worst case is that we miss out on a scan tonight and have to wait 'til tomorrow, but the BG can guard someone else instead. So, not too bad of a deal.

[hoopsguy]

That's what hoops does too, only I find myself more likely to trust a hoopsguy claim post-wolf reveal than a Lathum one. Lathum is slimier. If hoops made this offer, who knows what I'd do, just for fun?

Time to bookmark this quote for future games ...

:D

[Passacaglia]

You're right, Pass, I'm not sure how much to trust that fact. Buying ourselves another scan would be nice though.

I guess if he's lying/incorrect, then the worst case is that we miss out on a scan tonight and have to wait 'til tomorrow, but the BG can guard someone else instead. So, not too bad of a deal.

I guess the other worry is whether or not the Dark One has been reborn.

[saldana]

for those that care, i just hit 80 ;)
gratz

[MartinD]

I guess the other worry is whether or not the Dark One has been reborn.

The last night write-up is more than a little suggestive on this subject...

[RendeR]

I'm particularly distrubed by how often RendeR is missing the rules. There wree several posts when I was in speak-less-ness that spoke to this.



Since when is me screwing up the rules anything knew?? =)

[Passacaglia]

The last night write-up is more than a little suggestive on this subject...

Can you elaborate on that -- which part are you talking about? And what does it suggest?

[Passacaglia]

Can you elaborate on that -- which part are you talking about? And what does it suggest?

Also, you're holding out on us -- I really think you should come out with what you know at this point.

[MartinD]

Morning comes and you feel a feeling you have not felt in a long time, a feeling of dread. There is a thick fog in the air, the air is thick, and it is not easy to breathe. For some reason you feel sick to your stomach. The smell of evil is in the air once again. You quickly grab your newspaper, making sure not to spend too much time outside alone.

...

Reading about the murder of Telle confirms the sickness you have felt in your stomach. It can’t be, can it? He can’t be back, he just can’t be.


This is what I mean by suggestive - OK, it could be just for atmosphere, but I don't think that Dubb is going to get creative on us like this for no reason.

[saldana]

i had a whole big post about how doomed i think we are at this point, but it became a rambling load of crap.

if for no other reason than to make myself feel better and to not have to listen to his gloating crap from prison

lynch lathum

[Passacaglia]

This is what I mean by suggestive - OK, it could be just for atmosphere, but I don't think that Dubb is going to get creative on us like this for no reason.

But you're definitely reading that because that's what you thought all along. Why?

[path12]

I guess that move depends a lot on whether Lathum really knows the BG or not. If he does, jailing Chief probably won't help and will just cost us a day. If he doesn't, and if the wolves don't get lucky, then we could lynch Lathum tomorrow and get another scan tomorrow night.

I would put about.......oh, let's say........zero stock in what Lathum claims at this point.

[Autumn]

I would agree, and have earlier, Path, but if we can use it to save our seer for a while I might be willing.

Is releasing someone from prison a night action?

[MartinD]

But you're definitely reading that because that's what you thought all along. Why?

It's in my nature to always look for the worst-case scenario (I'm an actuary, and pessimism is almost a prerequisite for that particular profession...) The description of Tyrith's lynching (with the 'spirit' leaving the dead body) made it blatantly obvious (to me, at least) that there was at least a possibility of the Dark One making a comeback in some shape or form at a later stage of the game - possibly immediately, but it wasn't unreasonable to think that it may take a day or two (or that the wolves might have to carry out some sort of task to bring the Dark One back).

The descriptions used in the Night 4 update suggest to me that the Dark One has returned. This is just my interpretation, though - am not going to argue with you if you have a different view.

[MartinD]

Also, you're holding out on us -- I really think you should come out with what you know at this point.

I really don't have a lot to come out with that isn't already public knowledge - my reading of this game hasn't been very good up to this point (and that's being polite - 'bloody awful' is probably a bit closer to the truth!) I'm pretty sure that Lathum is the cultist (but that doesn't exactly take a lot of thought), and have Barkeep and SnDvls on my 'suspect' list (Barkeep from his early actions and his 'clearance' by Lathum - SnDvls is more a gut feel than being able to point at specific incidents or evidence).

I am a villager, but not vanilla - have an unlisted role, but one that could be good for the village or good for the wolves. I can't really say much more without giving it away completely, though.

Anything more that I can help with?

[lerriuqs]

I would agree, and have earlier, Path, but if we can use it to save our seer for a while I might be willing.

Is releasing someone from prison a night action?

It is for the King, but apparently not for Abe.

[Autumn]

Hmm, I think Abe said he can't use his ability anymore.

[Passacaglia]

No shit, you're an actuary, too? What field? That's awesome. I see what you're saying about how you've read the posts from dubb about it, but it seems like a weird mechanic, and I felt like you'd been harping on it a bit. I'd been content to ignore that, but now that I'm considering putting CR in jail, I feel like I need to know whether or not the Dark One could return before trying that plan.

[Autumn]

So, since we don't know the order of night actions, Pass wouldn't be able to release Chief until the next night and Chief wouldn't be able to scan until the night after that. If I'm thinking this schedule through right I guess that makes it less useful to jail Chief.

[Passacaglia]

So, since we don't know the order of night actions, Pass wouldn't be able to release Chief until the next night and Chief wouldn't be able to scan until the night after that. If I'm thinking this schedule through right I guess that makes it less useful to jail Chief.

What do you mean by 'the next night'? If we jail him now (Day 5), I could release him Night 5, and he would scan Night 6.

[Autumn]

Well, we don't know whether your release would come before or after the night kill, correct?

[Passacaglia]

Well, we don't know whether your release would come before or after the night kill, correct?

Oh -- so you're saying that they could kill CR even though he's in jail, expecting that he would be released?

[Passacaglia]

Or are you saying that I might die, and be unable to release him?

[lerriuqs]

Hmm, I think Abe said he can't use his ability anymore.

Did he? If he did, I didn't see it.

[Autumn]

Oh -- so you're saying that they could kill CR even though he's in jail, expecting that he would be released?

Yeah, I would think that putting him in jail and then releasing him that night might not offer the protection we want, i don't know.

And yes I suppose it's also possible that you would be killed and we couldn't release him 'til the next day, if the BG doesn't protect you instead.

[Autumn]

Yes, I think Abe did, becaues Lathum was all amazed that Clap used his ability on day 2.

[MartinD]

No shit, you're an actuary, too? What field? That's awesome.

Pensions for the most part (although I've done a bit on the life insurance side as well) - a lot of the work I've done has been on the systems and IT side (valuation model development - that sort of thing). Not doing actuarial work at the moment, though - my last job didn't agree with me in the worst way, so am getting some light relief by working with the Government Statistical Service at the moment (Justice stats, for what it's worth).

How about you?

[/quote]I see what you're saying about how you've read the posts from dubb about it, but it seems like a weird mechanic, and I felt like you'd been harping on it a bit. I'd been content to ignore that, but now that I'm considering putting CR in jail, I feel like I need to know whether or not the Dark One could return before trying that plan.[/QUOTE]

I haven't really mentioned it all that much - it just feels like that when I post so infrequently (well, compared to most of the people in the game ;) ). I do not have anything to back my theory up - it just seems to fit in with the information that's available rather too nicely to be able to ignore the possibility.

If I was to take my thinking a stage further, I suspect that the Dark One has come back by taking over one of the 'vanilla' wolves, rather than by converting a villager. (This is pure speculation, though.)

[MartinD]

Correcting the quote in my previous post...


I see what you're saying about how you've read the posts from dubb about it, but it seems like a weird mechanic, and I felt like you'd been harping on it a bit. I'd been content to ignore that, but now that I'm considering putting CR in jail, I feel like I need to know whether or not the Dark One could return before trying that plan.

I haven't really mentioned it all that much - it just feels like that when I post so infrequently (well, compared to most of the people in the game ). I do not have anything to back my theory up - it just seems to fit in with the information that's available rather too nicely to be able to ignore the possibility.

If I was to take my thinking a stage further, I suspect that the Dark One has come back by taking over one of the 'vanilla' wolves, rather than by converting a villager. (This is pure speculation, though.)

[Autumn]

I'd like to be extra cautious too, Martin. But the rules do say that victory conditions require for us to jail or lynch The DO and his followers. it would seem a bit unfair that lynching him (by duking) didn't stick. I don't know, it just wouldn't seem to match the rules to me.

[Passacaglia]

I'd like to be extra cautious too, Martin. But the rules do say that victory conditions require for us to jail or lynch The DO and his followers. it would seem a bit unfair that lynching him (by duking) didn't stick. I don't know, it just wouldn't seem to match the rules to me.

I agree, but how much do you feel like wagering CR for it? I'm not sure if the rules say, but there's a good chance he can't be protected by the BG while in jail, if the DO is still around.

[MartinD]

I'd like to be extra cautious too, Martin. But the rules do say that victory conditions require for us to jail or lynch The DO and his followers. it would seem a bit unfair that lynching him (by duking) didn't stick. I don't know, it just wouldn't seem to match the rules to me.

I would have thought that it would work by one of the other wolves 'acquiring' the Dark One's powers, as it would be a bit of a giveaway if Tyrith suddenly started posting as a 'live' player - would mean that the village still gets benefit from having killed a wolf, but the wolves still have a player with all of the Dark One's powers (as long as there's a 'vanilla' wolf to take over - if there are no wolves left, village wins).

(This is pure speculation, though - if you think that I'm wrong, go ahead on the assumption that the Dark One has been killed for good.)

[Abe Sargent]

Time to bookmark this quote for future games ...

:D

Deal!

[Lathum]

I'm not sure how I am supposed to feel about the fact that Abe thinks I'm slimy...

[Abe Sargent]

It's in my nature to always look for the worst-case scenario (I'm an actuary, and pessimism is almost a prerequisite for that particular profession...) The description of Tyrith's lynching (with the 'spirit' leaving the dead body) made it blatantly obvious (to me, at least) that there was at least a possibility of the Dark One making a comeback in some shape or form at a later stage of the game - possibly immediately, but it wasn't unreasonable to think that it may take a day or two (or that the wolves might have to carry out some sort of task to bring the Dark One back).

The descriptions used in the Night 4 update suggest to me that the Dark One has returned. This is just my interpretation, though - am not going to argue with you if you have a different view.

I agree. I beleive the DO is back.

[Abe Sargent]

It is for the King, but apparently not for Abe.

All used up now. It was one time only.

[Autumn]

I agree, but how much do you feel like wagering CR for it? I'm not sure if the rules say, but there's a good chance he can't be protected by the BG while in jail, if the DO is still around.

Well, it's not exactly wagering CR, since if we don't jail him I assume he'll be night killed tonight. It's more like wagering leaving Lathum free and wasting some time.

I think the bodyguards can guard in jail, but maybe that was only DAnny's one, I think the other one can't do as much.

And Martin, I agree, that's a possibility. I've pretty much talked myself out of this jail option as it's got too many loopholes, I think. We can leave Chief Rum free and hope that the bodyguard or someone else can pull something off tonight.

[RendeR]

ALright, I have some cleaning to do and the dog needs to go out then I need to get ready to go out tonight (Warhammer night WHOOT!)

VOTE LYNCH LATHUM

Seems fairly obvious we need to eliminate the confusion. I still FIRMLY believe that jailing people we DO NOT know about makes more sense than lynching. Since we've had 4 days now and gone both ways and we still no absolutely NOTHING (how much did you learn from lynches Sal?) I will most likely jump back onto my soap box for jailing only tomorrow/next game day.
Have fun kids!

[Abe Sargent]

I'm not sure how I am supposed to feel about the fact that Abe thinks I'm slimy...

I think you are a slimy wolf or wolf friend.

[Autumn]

Then again, since we don't know the order of night actions, we could jail Chief today, release him tonight and leave it up to the wolves to decide whether to possibly waste a kill attempt on him. It could just as easily come back in our favor as theirs.

[Passacaglia]

Well, it's not exactly wagering CR, since if we don't jail him I assume he'll be night killed tonight. It's more like wagering leaving Lathum free and wasting some time.

I think the bodyguards can guard in jail, but maybe that was only DAnny's one, I think the other one can't do as much.

And Martin, I agree, that's a possibility. I've pretty much talked myself out of this jail option as it's got too many loopholes, I think. We can leave Chief Rum free and hope that the bodyguard or someone else can pull something off tonight.

That's a good point. I guess we're probably screwed either way, really.

[lerriuqs]

The way I look at it - these are the odds,

We have 5 good-semi-good, 1 bad and 8 unknown with likely 3 wolves at large. Even better if Lathum exposes the BG and they're outside this COT.

Now that they're out here, the wolves will be picking them off one by one. We trade lynches for NKs, we have three more days after today to get at least one wolf. And if we lynch some unknowns, we'll get a pile of info as well.

So as nice as it would be to save CR, I think I'm more in agreement now of taking out Lathum and to continue lynching tomorrow and the day after. I don't think the jail is an option any more.

[Autumn]

This is how I get in trouble, thinking out loud here. But I think I'm going to go with CR's original idea. If we lynch Lathum we'll know if he's a cultist or wolf. That way we can ensure that none of the other cleared folks are cultist (or not). That will probably be more useful than possibly saving Chief. So, I'll leave my vote as it is.

[lerriuqs]

VOTE LATHUM LYNCH

[Autumn]

Now who dares ask Dubb about nightfall?? ;-)

[Passacaglia]

Absolutely not me.

[Chief Rum]

All of the conversion mechanics in the rules for the Cultist involve the Dark One. And only the Dark One can break into a prison and attack a prisoner in it. Meaning, if Lathum is alive, the DO can get to him and convert him. Also meaning, no matter where you put me, the DO can get to me.

Write me off, folks. Hope the BG or someone can do something. If I am around for Day 6, great. If not, use my information as best as you can.

Lathum needs to be lynched tonight.

VOTE LYNCH LATHUM

[Autumn]

*wipes a tear away*

[Lathum]

Autumn is the BG

[Passacaglia]

*pours out some of his beer*

[Passacaglia]

Autumn is the BG

Well now I'm not going to duke it from you, so there!

[Lathum]

Well now I'm not going to duke it from you, so there!

like you would have anyway!

[Passacaglia]

like you would have anyway!

Are you calling me a liar?

[Autumn]

Ah good, well that tells me that Lathum is indeed the cultist, if he could ID me, though he obviously misunderstood my role. Unfortunately I'm not the bodyguard but it seems my role, which has to do with the seer, was enough to scare off his type of night kill.

I thought Lathum might be bluffing as I didn't get any indication that I "blocked" anything, and I'm quite sure my role would not have stopped a wolf. But apparently it had a different affect on Drago. The fact that I didn't see anything made me wonder if he was just fishing for details but I guess not. My role is now essentially useless that the seer is revealed, but at least it confirms Lathum's status.

[Autumn]

The other good news is the bodyguard can probably guard Chief tonight then. I had thought maybe he had been guarded at the same time I was watching him, but it seems not.

[Passacaglia]

huh?

[Autumn]

My role basically allowed me to search for the seer at night, to ID them. I think Drago's weaker night kill didn't work since I was already "investigating" Chief. But it wouldn't block a wolf I'm sure.

I've got to go cook up the stir fry, be back in a while.

[Passacaglia]

My role basically allowed me to search for the seer at night, to ID them. I think Drago's weaker night kill didn't work since I was already "investigating" Chief. But it wouldn't block a wolf I'm sure.

I've got to go cook up the stir fry, be back in a while.

oof, now I see why you were so upset about not catching Lathum's hints

[Chief Rum]

Wow, that's great news for the village. Thanks Autumn!

[SnDvls]

what's the weekend plan?

[dubb93]

what's the weekend plan?

Day 5 ends at 11p tonight. Night 5 ends 4p Saturday. Day 6 runs from 4p Saturday to 11p Monday.

[dubb93]

Without getting too indepth or steering the conversation here I will say that a Follower of The Dark One would not be able to submit an action to kill a jailed player. They are not allowed to kill jailed players and as such would not be able to kill a player who starts the night in jail. I would not accept the kill order and would make them re-submit it.

I'm trying to find the happy balance here between not fully revealing mechanics I don't want to fully reveal at this time(IE Order of Actions) and trying to keep you guys from completely flying blind into the night.

[Autumn]

I presume though that they could still try to kill Pass and that might prevent him from releasing the prisoner. And since we're not sure about the Dark One that makes it still dicey.

[Danny]

You guys are really boring

[hoopsguy]

zzz

[dubb93]

Day 5 Lynch Vote(What I have atleast):

Lathum Lynch - 11 - Jackal (1510), Autumn (1514), USFL (1526), BK (1546), MartinD (1602), Path (1608), Abe (1614), Saldana (1649), RendeR (1676), Leriuqs (1682), CR (1685),

Lathun Jail - 1 - SnDvls (1565),

Barkeep49 Jail - 1 - Pass (1607)

Yet to Vote: Lathum

[dubb93]

I could make this interesting and just day kill everyone that is alive and turn all the dead into zombies. Not sure where we could go from there but I'm sure it would be fun.

[Autumn]

That's a great surprise game concept. Everyone who got killed early ends up playing instead.

[Chief Rum]

Imagine if we had voted to jail me. Then we just would have done this again tomorrow (or Monday, whatever) in lynching Lathum. So thank God we went with this.

[lerriuqs]

I'm sure you'll be protected tonight Chief...

[Chief Rum]

I'm sure you'll be protected tonight Chief...

Well, it's the only thing to hope for, really, at this point.

I would offer up scan choices for discussion, but I would rather not give anything away to the wolves.

[Chief Rum]

This is ending tonight, isn't it?

[Passacaglia]

This is ending tonight, isn't it?

huh?

[dubb93]

Processing

[dubb93]

Day 5 Final Vote Count:

Lathum Lynch - 11 - Jackal (1510), Autumn (1514), USFL (1526), BK (1546), MartinD (1602), Path (1608), Abe (1614), Saldana (1649), RendeR (1676), Leriuqs (1682), CR (1685),

Lathun Jail - 1 - SnDvls (1565),

Barkeep49 Jail - 1 - Pass (1607)

Did Not Vote: Lathum

[Chief Rum]

huh?

I meant the day was ending tonight, not going into the weekend. Was surprised to not see anything yet from dubb at 20-something after. But he's working it now, so everything seems to be good.

[dubb93]

As the day comes to an end the stench of death blows through Metou. The people of Metou set their sights on Lathum. It was Lathum who had led the charge against Kwhit and put blood on the hands of every citizen of Metou. That night on the side of the dirt road you all lost what was left of your innocence. For this you have decided that Lathum must pay.

You find Lathum in the oddest of places. You find him in the Brotherhood of the Sword Sanctuary. He appears to be the leader of this band of noble bounty hunters. The Brotherhood of the Sword stand up for the citizens of Metou when all seems to be lost, they fight for justice when even justice itself is unwilling to fight. Surely he can’t be a follower of The Dark One. It seems you have made a mistake, but it is much too late to correct this one. Lathum must pay.

The mob is bloodthirsty. Lathum, trapped in the Sanctuary with nowhere to run, stands his ground and fights. His brothers stand next to him. By the time night has fallen one of the worst atrocities in the history of Metou has occurred. The entire Brotherhood of the Sword has been slain. Will this ever end?

You search Lathum’s office and are shocked to find that the Brotherhood of the Sword has actually been in league with The Dark One all along. If The Dark One had this noble band of heroes under his wing his power must be even greater than you could have ever imagined.

Lathum was Captain of Brotherhood of the Sword and a follower of The Dark One

The Brotherhood of the Sword is a group of bounty hunters that are well known and respected in Metou. No one suspects the Brotherhood of being in line with The Dark One. For game purposes you are a vanilla wolf.

Day 5 has come to an end. Night 5 has begun. Night actions are due by 4p EST Saturday.

1. Barkeep49
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe
5. MartinD
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. Passacaglia - Elected King Day 3
8. <s>Telle</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 4
9. The Jackal
10. <s>Danny</s> - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. Autumn
12. <s>Lathum</s> - Lynched Day 5, Follower of The Dark One
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. Chief Rum
16. saldana
17. <s>DaddyTorgo</s> - Diffama Fabula - Killed Night 3
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. <s>KWhit</s> - Lynched Day 4, Vanilla Villager
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

[Chief Rum]

Well, well, he wasn't the Cultist. That calls the COT into question a bit, especially if the Dark One is back.

That doesn't mean I am ready to buy that any of those I have scanned are bad, but it will have to be something we keep in mind as we move forward.

The good news is, the wolves clearly still don't know crap about the bodyguard.

[USFLTecmo]

Chief, if you're around, has BK been scanned?

[Autumn]

I don't really get Lathum's role. He was just a wolf, and the Brotherhood stuff is just flavor? Or does that mean something?

[dubb93]

I don't really get Lathum's role. He was just a wolf, and the Brotherhood stuff is just flavor? Or does that mean something?

He was a vanilla wolf. The Brotherhood was flavor.

[The Jackal]

I don't really get Lathum's role. He was just a wolf, and the Brotherhood stuff is just flavor? Or does that mean something?

that's what it looks like, dubb does say that he was a vanilla wolf

[Chief Rum]

Chief, if you're around, has BK been scanned?

Not by me.

[USFLTecmo]

I'm wondering if Lathum put heat on BK on day one to make it look like they were on different sides, then laid off of him after day one because he didn't want to get a fellow wolf in trouble. It's a long shot, but something I think we need to look at a bit.

[path12]

Might as well toss a trust list out there:

Trust
Chief
Abe
Autumn
path12

Mostly Trust
Pass

Neutral/No read
Martin D
USFLTechmo
SnDvls
The Jackal

Wonder About
saldana
Barkeep49
lerriuqs
RendeR

[Autumn]

All right, well I'm mostly out until tomorrow night probably. I'll try to catch up when I can.

[saldana]

better than we thought...lying furry SOB.

[Barkeep49]

I do think we need to ask ourselves whey Lathum makes this play then. Why trade himself for KWhit? To draw out the seer? That's why he sacrificed himself? I feel like there has to be something else behind the play besides that.

[Passacaglia]

I do think we need to ask ourselves whey Lathum makes this play then. Why trade himself for KWhit? To draw out the seer? That's why he sacrificed himself? I feel like there has to be something else behind the play besides that.

It's definitely not a move you'd expect by the "World's Greatest Wolf" -- maybe he was going to be busy next week and figured he'd mess up some stuff before dying? Or maybe he just wanted to see if he could out the seer and the BG. I can't really think of much more than that.

[Chief Rum]

I am going to be at a family lunch when the deadline hits, so don't expect any announcements from me right at deadline. I will be home shortly after, though, probably within an hour after. Should I survive, of course, I will reveal my scan choice and the result.

[The Jackal]

I do think we need to ask ourselves whey Lathum makes this play then. Why trade himself for KWhit? To draw out the seer? That's why he sacrificed himself? I feel like there has to be something else behind the play besides that.

I donno, he's Lathum, he probably figured he'd be scanned by day 5 and wanted to get something out of being a vanilla wolf.

[The Jackal]

He got a random person out of the game, focused two lynches away from meaningful discussion, and the seer revealed, and the BG was probably even thinking about it, I'd say that's solid reasoning for making that play

[dubb93]

Deadline

[dubb93]

As morning comes you can't get last night out of your mind. You can't believe what your mob did to the Brotherhood, alas it had to be done. The Brotherhood had become corrupted. You grab your morning paper and are not surprised by the headline:

Brotherhood of the Dark One

You can't read the story. You don't want to be reminded of last night. Just then there is a knock on your door. It's the local sheriff and his men. As you open the door they barge in. You are asked several strange questions as they take it upon themselves to quickly search your entire house. As they go to leave to realize that your entire house is a mess. “Wait!” You scream as they are leaving. “What is this about?”

“The King.......he is dead. We must find out who did this.” With this news your heart sinks. King Pass is dead. The sheriff and his men leave.

Later in the morning you learn the gruesome details surrounding Passacaglia's death. He was found this morning frozen solid. It was a most unusual death. You learn that law enforcement from all around Metou are currently rounding up all the mages they can find to bring them in for questioning.

Passacaglia was Arbitro and your elected King

You are Arbitro. If you are attacked by The Dark One you will not only fight him to a draw, you will learn the identity of The Dark One. However, if a follower of The Dark One attacks you they will kill you.

Night 5 has ended. Day 6 has Begun. King Election Deadline 7p EST Monday. Day 6 Ends 11p EST Monday

1. Barkeep49
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe
5. MartinD
6. <s>hoopsguy</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. <s>Passacaglia</s> - Elected King Day 3, Killed Night 5, Arbitro
8. <s>Telle</s> - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 4
9. The Jackal
10. <s>Danny</s> - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. Autumn
12. <s>Lathum</s> - Lynched Day 5, Follower of The Dark One
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. Chief Rum
16. saldana
17. <s>DaddyTorgo</s> - Diffama Fabula - Killed Night 3
18. <s>Tyrith</s> - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. <s>KWhit</s> - Lynched Day 4, Vanilla Villager
21. <s>Schmidty</s> - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

[Lathum]

sweet

[Passacaglia]

Peace out all. Bring it home!

[Chief Rum]

Sorry to see Pass gone, although we all knew it was just a matter of time.

Interesting result from the scan.

I could not get a read on saldana. The point was made that I tried numerous times over the course of the night, and simply couldn't get a read on him. Thoughts?

[RendeR]

Hrm, well Pass was an obvious target because he really couldn't defend himself, nor would the BG bother protecting him. I'm not sure what it gains the wolves though?

It forces a new election, so that alone adds to the confusion, perhaps that was the reason? along with solid assurance he wouldn't be protected at all?

Chief have you had that result on anyone else? Even something like "you tried multiple times before getting a result"?

Saldana jumps into the target as, at the very least, a jailing target for the night. Thoughts on anyone else?

I'm on the side of jailing instead of lynching since at least we got Abe BACK. Unlike the chances of doing so with a lynch vote.

Lynching has its place, but without MORE information that place is not today. Without knowing more I present that jailing is the first best option and with CR's results I would suggest jailing Saldana.

[RendeR]

Although I remember that Sal is the strongest presenter for lynching...would you rather we just lynch you Sal instead of pushing for a Jail vote? =)

[Chief Rum]

Chief have you had that result on anyone else? Even something like "you tried multiple times before getting a result"?

Nope. First time my PM was more than a sentence, and usually a simple one at that. You can probably figure out how those sentences generally went.

[Chief Rum]

I think it is fairly obvious the BG would have protected me last night.

So I hope the BG was thinking second level and didn't protect me. Then when the wolves come calling again, they might be in for a nasty surprise.

[RendeR]

Just strange that you wouldn't get a read at all on Saldana. IF the dark one is back he is both cunning and brutal, so the cunning skill would give you a false reading, not an empty one. So we're looking at some other sort of back-end mechanic at work here.

This does not please me at all.

[path12]

Although I remember that Sal is the strongest presenter for lynching...would you rather we just lynch you Sal instead of pushing for a Jail vote? =)

I think I might be the strongest pro-lynch person so far. Barkeep and sal are up there as well though.

I might be able to be talked into a jail vote today. We'll see.

[Chief Rum]

Just strange that you wouldn't get a read at all on Saldana. IF the dark one is back he is both cunning and brutal, so the cunning skill would give you a false reading, not an empty one. So we're looking at some other sort of back-end mechanic at work here.

This does not please me at all.

Yeah, I checked the rules. They are pretty clear the Dark One comes back as light aura.

Personally, I still think the Dark One is gone for good. I think dubb's just introducing flavor really.

I would prefer to lynch today.

I will be curious to see what saldana has to say. There is nothing in the rules that states a role that would explain my being unable to get a read on him.

[Autumn]

Interesting result, Chief. glad to see you still among us. I wonder if the cultist could give you that reading? particularly if he is in the process of converting or some such.

In addition it could have been some interference. If Saldana was out doing something at night, or if someone else was doing something to him.

Those are my thoughts. Seems worth jailing him to me.

And what about King? Do we King Chief to make it easier for the BG?

[RendeR]

Interesting result, Chief. glad to see you still among us. I wonder if the cultist could give you that reading? particularly if he is in the process of converting or some such.

In addition it could have been some interference. If Saldana was out doing something at night, or if someone else was doing something to him.

Those are my thoughts. Seems worth jailing him to me.

And what about King? Do we King Chief to make it easier for the BG?



How does that make it easier for the BG? The king can be killed as easily as anyone (aka Pass is dead) and if he protected CR last night he still can't protect him tonight, right?

[The Jackal]

I don't know what to make about your scan, CR. I'd be on board with putting sal in jail.

As for king.. CR is the most trusted but he's clearly going to be a target, whether or not the BG pulled the guard bluff off, so I think we can choose from one of the people he's scanned.

[The Jackal]

Are we still worried about Abe having a chance of being the cultist since Lathum wasn't it? I think my vote leans towards path at the moment for the next king.

[lerriuqs]

Are we still worried about Abe having a chance of being the cultist since Lathum wasn't it? I think my vote leans towards path at the moment for the next king.

I disagree, I think Abe's role has been established and we should look towards him for King. With the cultist still out there, I'm not sure we can totally trust Autumn or Path at this point...

[The Jackal]

I disagree, I think Abe's role has been established and we should look towards him for King. With the cultist still out there, I'm not sure we can totally trust Autumn or Path at this point...

Fair enough. What did we establish his role as, just someone who can spring someone one time from prison?

[Barkeep49]

Remind me has Abe been scanned? I'm inclined to let someone who has been scanned (vs not having a contested role claim) be king.

[lerriuqs]

Fair enough. What did we establish his role as, just someone who can spring someone one time from prison?

Yes. And that doesn't seem like something that would be within that cultist role...