WW CLVI - Clue: Master Detective - GAME OVER! MURDERERS WIN! (Post 1817)

[britrock88]

Clue, amirite???

:D

[Lathum]

very nice outcome

[hoopsguy]

Yep, about the only downside is that we don't learn from Day 1 voting with this result. But there should be info to be had in today/s votes/posts, as others have mentioned.

[hoopsguy]

britrock, what are chances that you can whip up the vote/unvote stuff overnight again?

[britrock88]

The first chart? Pretty strong chances, given I need to figure out who to scan in case I survive until morning.

[PackerFanatic]

I have this... similar to what brit posted yesterday, albeit not as nicely formatted

523 - Chubby votes Autumn (Autumn 1)
587 - Autumn votes bulletsponge (Autumn 1, bulletsponge 1)
609 - bulletsponge votes Autumn (Autumn 2, bulletsponge 1)
641 - hoopsguy votes britrock88 (Autumn 2, bulletsponge 1, britrock88 1)
651 - PackerFanatic votes fontisian (Autumn 2, bulletsponge 1, britrock88 1, fontisian 1)
657 - britrock88 votes Chubby (Autumn 2, bulletsponge 1, britrock88 1, fontisian 1, Chubby 1)
675 - saldana votes Chubby (Chubby 2, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 1, britrock88 1, fontisian 1)
690 - ntndeacon votes Lathum (Chubby 2, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 1, britrock88 1, fontisian 1, Lathum 1)
701 - Chubby unvotes Autumn, votes britrock88 (Chubby 2, britrock88 2, Autumn 1, bulletsponge 1, fontisian 1, Lathum 1)
707 - Lathum votes britrock88 (britrock88 3, Chubby 2, Autumn 1, bulletsponge 1, fontisian 1, Lathum 1)
730 - KatyLied votes Autumn (britrock88 3, Chubby 2, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 1, fontisian 1, Lathum 1)
753 - path12 votes bulletsponge (britrock88 3, Chubby 2, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 2, fontisian 1, Lathum 1)
762 - hoopsguy unvotes britrock88 (britrock88 2, Chubby 2, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 2, fontisian 1, Lathum 1)
763 - mauchow votes fontisian (britrock88 2, Chubby 2, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 2, fontisian 2, Lathum 1)
764 - Chubby unvotes britrock88, votes fontisian (fontisian 3, Chubby 2, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 2, britrock88 1, Lathum 1)
773 - bhlloy votes fontisian (fontisian 4, Chubby 2, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 2, britrock88 1, Lathum 1)
780 - bhlloy unvotes fontisian (fontisian 3, Chubby 2, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 2, britrock88 1, Lathum 1)
787 - Lathum unvotes britrock88, votes Chubby (fontisian 3, Chubby 3, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 2, Lathum 1)
792 - Danny votes Zinto (fontisian 3, Chubby 3, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 2, Lathum 1, Zinto 1)
813 - Danny unvotes Zinto (fontisian 3, Chubby 3, Autumn 2, bulletsponge 2, Lathum 1)
815 - Danny votes bulletsponge (fontisian 3, Chubby 3, bulletsponge 3 ,Autumn 2, Lathum 1)
818 - Zinto votes Autumn (fontisian 3, Chubby 3, bulletsponge 3, Autumn 3, Lathum 1)
829 - hoopsguy votes bulletsponge (bulletsponge 4, fontisian 3, Chubby 3, Autumn 3, Lathum 1)
831 - fontisian votes Chubby (bulletsponge 4, Chubby 4, fontisian 3, Autumn 3, Lathum 1)
837 - bhlloy votes bulletsponge (bulletsponge 5, Chubby 4, fontisian 3, Autumn 3, Lathum 1)
882 - DaddyTorgo votes Autumn (bulletsponge 5, Chubby 4, Autumn 4, fontisian 3, Lathum 1)
911 - Chubby unvotes fontisian, votes bulletsponge (bulletsponge 6, Chubby 4, Autumn 4, fontisian 2, Lathum 1)
912 - DaddyTorgo unvotes Autumn, votes Chubby (bulletsponge 6, Chubby 5, Autumn 3, fontisian 2, Lathum 1)
915 - DQ_BOY1000 votes Chubby (bulletsponge 6, Chubby 6, Autumn 3, fontisian 2, Lathum 1)
916 - Zinto unvotes Autumn, votes bulletsponge (bulletsponge 7, Chubby 6, Autumn 2, fontisian 2, Lathum 1)
923 - JAG votes bulletsponge (bulletsponge 8, Chubby 6, Autumn 2, fontisian 2, Lathum 1)
925 - DaddyTorgo unvotes Chubby, votes bulletsponge (bulletsponge 9, Chubby 6, Autumn 2, fontisian 2, Lathum 1)
930 - fontisian unvotes Chubby, votes bulletsponge (bulletsponge 10, Chubby 5, Autumn 2, fontisian 2, Lathum 1)
934 - bulletsponge unvotes Autumn, votes Chubby (bulletsponge 10, Chubby 6, fontisian 2, Autumn 1, Lathum 1)
936 - PackerFanatic unvotes fontisian, votes bulletsponge (bulletsponge 11, Chubby 6, fontisian 1, Autumn 1, Lathum 1)

[Danny]

Its missing my vote of hoopsguy right after day 1 ended

[PackerFanatic]

I wasn't sure that even counted

[PackerFanatic]

And I never saw an unvote either...

[Coffee Warlord]

It didn't count.

[britrock88]

I have this... similar to what brit posted yesterday, albeit not as nicely formatted

I can work with this...

[hoopsguy]

So I've more or less shot my wad in terms of persistent, in-thread participation. I'll still be around as long as the murderers don't come knocking, but the work schedule is not going to permit much time in thread going forward.

Going to see if I can get some Night 2 thoughts in now ... in some cases I might sit on them, but I figure I'll empty the barrels in a bloody game where my participation is set to wane.

[hoopsguy]

Big 6 - have found four of them so far. Think there is about 50/50 shot that Path is in this group as well.

Informants - don't see a ton of value posting on these guys any more than we have so far, since there are still several Big 6 members who could turn with the right hit. But by posting on other groups I suppose I'm indirectly doing this.

Boddy/Wadsworth - about 50/50 Path is in this group, think there is reasonable chance Chubby is as well.

Other extras - would be next group I started focusing on for wolves after feeling like we have fairly firm handle on Big 6. One dead, one role revealed (me) in thread, and a set of players who have barely merited discussion up to this point. Only Autumn among this group could potentially have done a kill last night (by virtue of being at house, and knowledge of my own role) but that doesn't preclude murderous collaboration from the others.

[hoopsguy]

Also, it might be time to start asking a little more of our newer players - DQ + Katy. Not a lot of posts to work with in terms of fitting these folks so far. And DQ had a vote today on Chubby that tied it up 6-6 with bullet fairly late in the day.

[britrock88]

time post voter votee votes
08:32 523 Chubby Autumn 1
10:50 587 Autumn bullet 1-1
11:13 609 bullet Autumn 2-1
12:08 641 hoops brit 1-2-1
12:24 651 PF font 1-2-1-1
12:29 657 brit Chubby 1-2-1-1-1
13:16 675 sal Chubby 2-2-1-1-1
14:24 690 ntn Lathum 1-2-2-1-1-1
14:54 701 Chubby xAutumn 1
brit 2-2-1-1-1-1
15:24 707 Lathum brit 3-2-1-1-1-1
16:49 730 Katy Autumn 2-3-2-1-1-1
17:13 753 path bullet 2-3-2-2-1-1
17:23 762 hoops x brit 2
17:36 763 mau font 2-2-2-2-2-1
17:39 764 Chubby x brit 1
font 3-2-2-2-1-1
18:21 773 bhlloy font 4-2-2-2-1-1
18:40 780 bhlloy x font 3
18:52 787 Lathum x brit 0
Chubby 3-3-2-2-1
18:59 792 Danny Zinto 1-3-3-2-2-1
19:19 813 Danny x Zinto 0
19:20 815 Danny bullet 3-3-3-2-1
19:23 818 Zinto Autumn 3-3-3-3-1
19:29 829 hoops bullet 4-3-3-3-1
19:30 831 font Chubby 4-4-3-3-1
19:31 837 bhlloy bullet 5-4-3-3-1
19:44 882 DT Autumn 4-5-4-3-1
19:52 911 Chubby x font 2
bullet 6-4-4-2-1
19:52 912 DT xAutumn 3
Chubby 5-6-3-2-1
19:53 915 DQ_BOY Chubby 6-6-3-2-1
19:53 916 Zinto xAutumn 2
bullet 7-6-2-2-1
19:55 923 JAG bullet 8-6-2-2-1
19:55 925 DT xChubby 5
bullet 9-5-2-2-1
19:56 930 font xChubby 4
bullet 10-4-2-2-1
19:56 934 bullet xAutumn 1
Chubby 10-5-2-1-1
19:57 936 PF x font 1
bullet 11-5-1-1-1

[britrock88]

Narrowed down to folks I can scan tonight:

D1

1) Autumn stuck vote on Chubby at 1:26pm to make it Murray-3/brit-2/Chubby-2
4) Zinto stuck vote on murray at 5:12pm to tie murray/brit at 5 with Chubby at 4
5) JAG first to vote brit (10:58am Sunday); moved to murray at deadline
7)PackerFanatic voted brit at 8:58am to make it 2-1-1-1
8) saldana voted JAG up to 2 at 3:51pm with murray-brit-Chubby at 4-4-3; moved to murray at 7:02pm to make it brit-6/murray-5
9) Lathum voted murray at 10:13am to make it brit-3/murray-2
12) Danny first to vote Chubby (12:50pm) with brit-3/murray-2; moved to brit before deadline to make it brit-7/murray-5; switched to murray at deadline
15) path12 voted brit at 2:40pm to tie Chubby/brit/murray at 3
16) hoopsguy voted path (single votee) at 2:36pm
17) ntndeacon first to vote murray, 6:24pm Sunday; moved to brit at 4:55pm to make it brit-5/Chubby-4/murray-3 (broke 3-way tie)
18) DQ_BOY1000 voted murray ahead of brit (3-2) at 12:35pm
19) fontisian voted murray within 1 of brit (4-5) at 4:59pm; moved to Chubby at 5:24pm to tie Chubby/brit at 5
20) Chubby voted murray ahead of brit (4-3) at 3:33pm; at deadline, moved to brit pre-reveal, then to murray and back to brit post-reveal
21) bhlloy ...no vote...

D2

1) Autumn stuck vote on bullet at 10:50am, creating 1-1 tie with himself
4) Zinto voted Autumn at 7:23pm to create 4-way tie with Chubby, font, and bullet; moved bullet ahead of Chubby (7-6) at deadline
5) JAG voted bullet into 8-6 lead over Chubby at 7:55pm
7)PackerFanatic first to vote font in the early going (at 12:24pm); moved bullet to 11-5 at deadline
8) saldana voted Chubby at 1:16pm to create 2-2-1-1-1 setup with Chubby and Autumn tied
9) Lathum voted brit ahead of Chubby at 3:24pm (3-2-1-1-1); tied Chubby with font at 6:52pm (3-3-2-2-1)
12) Danny flirted with Zinto at 7pm; moved to bullet to create 3-3-3-2-1 tie with Chubby and font
15) path12 voted bullet at 5:13pm to make it 2-3-2-2-1-1, with brit leading
16) hoopsguy voted brit early; broke 4-way tie by voting bullet at 7:29pm
17) ntndeacon voted Lathum as 6th candidate in early going
18) DQ_BOY1000 voted Chubby into 6-6 tie with bullet at 7:53pm
19) fontisian voted Chubby into 4-4 tie with bullet at 7:30pm; moved to bullet to make it 10-4 at deadline
20) Chubby first voted Autumn; moved brit into tie with himself (2-2) at 2:54pm; moved font ahead of 3 others at 5:39pm; moved bullet 2 votes ahead of self and Autumn (6-4-4) at 7:52pm
21) bhlloy voted font up 4-2-2-2 at 6:21pm, then rescinded; voted bullet ahead of Chubby (5-4) at 7:31pm

[britrock88]

S'pose I could have deleted ntn's line, too.

[bhlloy]

Why is the list limited brit?

[path12]

Not counting the three not in the house yet I imagine.

[britrock88]

Thoughts:

- I would think to look at Zinto given his two late-ish tying votes, except he pushed bullet ahead of Chubby tonight.
- PF's votes are so early or late as to be almost irrelevant. Interesting.
- path is another guy who's stayed out of the fray.
- font has voted Chubby twice, which appears unique at a glance.

Hmm...

[britrock88]

Why is the list limited brit?

Didn't include the 3 not in the house, the dead, and myself.

[britrock88]

Happy to field your scan suggestions.

[path12]

Happy to field your scan suggestions.

Never trust a suggestion.

[hoopsguy]

Thoughts:

- I would think to look at Zinto given his two late-ish tying votes, except he pushed bullet ahead of Chubby tonight.
- PF's votes are so early or late as to be almost irrelevant. Interesting.
- path is another guy who's stayed out of the fray.
- font has voted Chubby twice, which appears unique at a glance.

Hmm...

Zinto and PF are two of the people who originally started at the house where I don't feel like I have a ton of feel for them.

That doesn't suggest they are any more or less likely to be murderers, but I think it might be tougher to get reads in thread compared to the other two on that list.

[Danny]

I would scan chief rum

[britrock88]

I would scan chief rum

NKed (by bulletsponge?) last night, Danny.

[britrock88]

I'll say this before I turn in for the night: the game doesn't perfectly match the movie. My vendetta is not against who I killed (in the movie), but it is against who you would expect it to be given the backstory. This is what makes me doubt Lathum's reveal the slightest bit.

[hoopsguy]

I would scan chief rum

Let me go ahead and scan him. My results are usually pretty precise.

6) Chief Rum - The Cop - Shot in the face by Buford Tannen, over a matter of 80 dollars, Night 1

[britrock88]

G'night, all!

(zzzzzzzzzz)

[Danny]

NKed (by bulletsponge?) last night, Danny.

I know but I am still suspicious of him

[Lathum]

I'll say this before I turn in for the night: the game doesn't perfectly match the movie. My vendetta is not against who I killed (in the movie), but it is against who you would expect it to be given the backstory. This is what makes me doubt Lathum's reveal the slightest bit.

So you are saying your vendetta doesn't match the movie, yet we have solid evidence based off last nights lynch that the vendettas do match up and you mistrust me?

You are really pinging me right now

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm here, processing now.

[Coffee Warlord]

How many will it be tonight. You think perhaps it may be better today, having caught the culprit behind at least one of the deaths.

This is not the case. No gunshots ring out, but you quickly notice two of your number are not amongst you. Upon a quick search of the house, you discover ntndeacon dead on the floor, showing off her sexy french underwear to the world, a bloody pipe beside her.

Furthermore...where's hoops? He's gone to join his evil twin, as he is found strangled to death in his bedroom. Her underwear is neither sexy nor french.

NTN was Yvette, and could prevent any male character from taking their night action.

Hoopsguy was Madame Rose, and could summon the dead back to answer one question.

Day 3 has begun.

[PackerFanatic]

Ack. Losing hoops is never good...

[PackerFanatic]

So it looks like either Col. Mustard found his informant or NTN found his Big6er and got offed (meaning we could have another convert)

[Chubby]

Damn...

Two options? Someone who joined the house is a murderer or Mustard is now a murderer?

Bah, there goes my trust in Mustard.

[Chubby]

Running errands for work so I can post for a little bit (at least until I'm done)

[PackerFanatic]

The Original Housers...

Lathum - revealed as Mrs. Peacock (dead informant)
britrock88 - revealed as Prof. Plum (alive informant)
fontisian - revealed as Mrs. White (alive informant)

Zinto
JAG
path12
DQ_BOY1000
Chubby
PackerFanatic

One in that group of 6 (I included myself for completeness, but I am certainly not Col. Mustard) is Col. Mustard and likely a murderer after last nights result.

[Lathum]

The Original Housers...

Lathum - revealed as Mrs. Peacock (dead informant)
britrock88 - revealed as Prof. Plum (alive informant)
fontisian - revealed as Mrs. White (alive informant)

Zinto
JAG
path12
DQ_BOY1000
Chubby
PackerFanatic

One in that group of 6 (I included myself for completeness, but I am certainly not Col. Mustard) is Col. Mustard and likely a murderer after last nights result.

Just want to point out my informant was lynched.

[Chubby]

Hmmm rereading the rules, I think Mustard is still good. I think his informant is the motorist not yvette.

[Chubby]

Yvetter = mrs white

[Chubby]

vote font

[hoopsguy]

Not surprised. Was fun playing for a couple of days. Good luck stopping the murderers the rest of the way.

[DQ_BOY1000]

Britrock,

who is your informant? Have we talked about that yet?

[Danny]

I was bribed my vote doesn't count today

[PackerFanatic]

Ah nuts - yes, sorry about that - I read through it too quick and just saw Col. Mustard's name last in Yvette's description.

Yes, Yvette is Mrs. White's informant, which does not bode well for font...

[PackerFanatic]

And thank you for pointing that out too, Lathum

[PackerFanatic]

Lathum - revealed as Mrs. Peacock (dead informant - lynched day 1)
britrock88 - revealed as Prof. Plum (alive informant)
fontisian - revealed as Mrs. White (dead informant - murdered night 2)

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE FONTISIAN

[PackerFanatic]

Britrock,

who is your informant? Have we talked about that yet?

The Singing Telegram Girl is Prof. Plum's informant, based on the rules.

[Lathum]

in the interst of getting info out there I received a PM last night from the telegraph girl telling me she is not a murderer and wants me to help keep her safe.

Not sure if a wolf has the ability to send that message or not

[bhlloy]

Well, that was either not very smart by Font or somebody is doing a really nice job of misdirection. The timing of the reveal and then the kill makes me wonder.

[JAG]

The description for Mustard makes it clear it's the Motorist he's after whereas Mrs. White (font) is after Yvette. So this seems like an easy vote today.

Vote font

[Autumn]

I'm not sure it's such an easy vote. NTN was cleared by Brit, which makes him a big target (and an even bigger target if Brit is faking).

Whereas, if we assume that Font was originally not a Murderer, and not lying about her role, we have to think that she took her one shot at a kill last night blindly on NTN and got lucky. Did we have any reason to know NTN's role?

If you think Font was lying about her role, then you probably have to assume she was a Murderer already, correct? In which case NTN's death doesn't mean anything.

[JAG]

The pool is also getting pretty narrow for the last unknown Big 6 and their informants with the multiple deaths and lynches of the initial group that was at the house, so we're probably going to be dealing with another conversion tomorrow.

[PackerFanatic]

Maybe it does fit a little too perfectly with what happened night 1 (considering we did get Miss Scarlet them yesterday). I suppose it would be possible for the wolves to have two NKs, but after what happened night 1, I can't see that happening.

[Autumn]

Well, one possibility is that another murderer joined the house yesterday, so they had an additional kill. Another possibility is that someone other than a murderer, and other than Font, had a kill (not necessarily a murderer). The fact that one of hte kills was with a pipe makes me wonder if Mr. Boddy is not involved.

It would be exceedingly strange for Font to tell us who she is, if she then planned on killing her informant that night, no? If we assume a conversion scenario, and assume Font was telling the truth about her role, it's also hard to imagine that a villager would kill the one cleared villager, and blindly happen to fulfill their conversion scenario.

One thing that hasn't yet been answered from the day before is whether Chief triggered his own murder by somehow investigating Bulletsponge. Could something similar have happened here?

I agree all evidence points to Font, but since we have all day I'm willing to talk through all the scenarios. Usually it's not this easy.

[JAG]

I'm not sure it's such an easy vote. NTN was cleared by Brit, which makes him a big target (and an even bigger target if Brit is faking).

Whereas, if we assume that Font was originally not a Murderer, and not lying about her role, we have to think that she took her one shot at a kill last night blindly on NTN and got lucky. Did we have any reason to know NTN's role?

If you think Font was lying about her role, then you probably have to assume she was a Murderer already, correct? In which case NTN's death doesn't mean anything.

But hoops was not an informant, so he wasn't killed by a Big 6, no?

[PackerFanatic]

I was thinking that about the investigating too, Autumn - but that would still mean font was converted.

[PackerFanatic]

But hoops was not an informant, so he wasn't killed by a Big 6, no?

Right. At least not for conversion purposes.

[Autumn]

This is not the case. No gunshots ring out, but you quickly notice two of your number are not amongst you. Upon a quick search of the house, you discover ntndeacon dead on the floor, showing off her sexy french underwear to the world, a bloody pipe beside her.

Mr Boddy
Oh yeah. He's here, he's blackmailing you, and he has in his possession six lethal weapons.

This is what I'm wondering about. How does Boddy's six weapons play into things. Does he use them or do they get distributed somehow? It seems he has some sort of vendetta of his own, but it's not clear if/when he could get kills.

[Autumn]

I was thinking that about the investigating too, Autumn - but that would still mean font was converted.

Yes, that's true. Just trying to put together a scenario that makes sense. A blind shot at NTN seems very unlikely. But then again last game Saldana got two scans, and scanned the two cunning players, so you never know.

[Autumn]

But hoops was not an informant, so he wasn't killed by a Big 6, no?

I think that's true. But I think it's likely that in this "bloodbath" there are other possibilities for kills. The murderers might have more than one, or one of the extra roles or other extra roles might have one. Maybe someone had a vendetta against Madame Rose.

[PackerFanatic]

And CR was killed with the gun, which is another weapon...so I am leaning toward more of a distribution (or they are just there to totally throw us off base)

[britrock88]

The Singing Telegram Girl is Prof. Plum's informant, based on the rules.

Yeah. I suppose watching the movie just confused me, as Plum kills Boddy, even though STG is his informant.

[JAG]

Well, one possibility is that another murderer joined the house yesterday, so they had an additional kill. Another possibility is that someone other than a murderer, and other than Font, had a kill (not necessarily a murderer). The fact that one of hte kills was with a pipe makes me wonder if Mr. Boddy is not involved.

It would be exceedingly strange for Font to tell us who she is, if she then planned on killing her informant that night, no? If we assume a conversion scenario, and assume Font was telling the truth about her role, it's also hard to imagine that a villager would kill the one cleared villager, and blindly happen to fulfill their conversion scenario.

One thing that hasn't yet been answered from the day before is whether Chief triggered his own murder by somehow investigating Bulletsponge. Could something similar have happened here?

I agree all evidence points to Font, but since we have all day I'm willing to talk through all the scenarios. Usually it's not this easy.

That's an interesting point, though on one hand she was under a lot of pressure to reveal yesterday and might have been voted out had she not. On reflection, you're right that it doesn't make a lot of sense for her to play it in this way.

If Chief triggered his death by investigating bullet, it's hard to imagine how that could have happened here. Font was outed in the thread, so ntn would have known exactly who to avoid.

[britrock88]

I'm not sure it's such an easy vote. NTN was cleared by Brit, which makes him a big target (and an even bigger target if Brit is faking).

Whereas, if we assume that Font was originally not a Murderer, and not lying about her role, we have to think that she took her one shot at a kill last night blindly on NTN and got lucky. Did we have any reason to know NTN's role?

If you think Font was lying about her role, then you probably have to assume she was a Murderer already, correct? In which case NTN's death doesn't mean anything.

I've got another cleared player outside the Big Six. I'm thinking I won't reveal until I need to, though, given what happened to ntn.

[britrock88]

Given that we're questioning the font-ntn connection for purposes of last night's actions, I'll hold off on voting and come back after a crazy work day.

[PackerFanatic]

Font was outed in the thread, so ntn would have known exactly who to avoid.

Another very good point here.

[britrock88]

And FTR, I'm a bit surprised I'm still alive.

[fontisian]

So, Yvette is indeed my informant, but I didn't kill ntn. Really, my first reaction to this is that it's a set-up. The murderers knew that I'm trying my best to stay a towny and killed Yvette to incriminate me. But's that really unlikely. It's far more likely that ntn was killed because he was cleared by brit to either kill a townfirmed player or to support brit(if he's actually a murderer).

Ntn targeting me at night doesn't make any sense, when I already said that he's my informant. The only proof I can offer that I didn't kill him is that I still have my night kill .... so I guess I could kill someone of the town's choice? Yeah, that doesn't really prove anything.

Anyway, if you guys don't lynch me today, this killing is actually a good thing because it removes my chance of becoming a murderer. I'm going to do a thorough analysis of the thread because I have the time now, so I can give town as much info as possible if I do get lynched.

[DQ_BOY1000]

And FTR, I'm a bit surprised I'm still alive.

So am I. I am a little suspicious.

I think this whole thing with you revealing, being Prof. Plum and all is a little fishy. I will do some post digging tonight after work...

Don't expect me to stop by your office and make "small talk" today. I know I am not a murderer. You sir, I am not so sure and i don't want to get my clock rocked by a gun in the study.

For now, I have an app deployment issue I have to figure out and it might take me all day. If it is anything like the datetime problem I had, I might be working late... :banghead:

P.S. What are we doing for lunch? :)

[Chubby]

So if you are font, do you have better odds at surviving a lynch after: a) killing yvette right away and claiming a frame or b) waiting a couple days then killing yvette assuming she isn't lynched by then?

Clearly I think a, that'd be my play at lease /shrug

Back to work

[DaddyTorgo]

This game makes my head hurt and I'm not even in the house yet.

[fontisian]

So if you are font, do you have better odds at surviving a lynch after: a) killing yvette right away and claiming a frame or b) waiting a couple days then killing yvette assuming she isn't lynched by then?

Clearly I think a, that'd be my play at lease /shrug

Judging by today's reactions, I'm going to say neither. I stand a really good chance of being lynched either way.

[Coffee Warlord]

3 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053)

I PUT WHO VOTED IN TODAY!

[bhlloy]

I have to say I believe font at face value here. It might still be worth a lynch to confirm but to reveal and then keep searching for your informant to kill doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And as noted, ntn would have known to stay away presumably so that explanation doesn't hold either

If we believe britrock is a seer and has somehow survived to this point (which I don't) and we went away from font today we could also make that the scan to confirm

[Autumn]

The drawback is, that if someone else killed NTN, then Font is now a safe Big 6 to have around, so it would be a shame to kill her. It also is a wasted day if everyone just piles on her for this reason. If we had a seer we could trust, that would be one thing--we could just scan her. But the fact that Britrock is still alive isn't particularly encouraging.

[Autumn]

Britrock, I'm not sure it makes any sense to hold on to your scans, given that you're not particularly trusted. I'm more interested in who you chose to scan, to decide if you're a Murderer or not.

[Autumn]

I'm going to go ahead and assume that everyone's reveals are real at this point, since nobody's countered.

[DQ_BOY1000]

If we had a seer we could trust, that would be one thing--we could just scan her. But the fact that Britrock is still alive isn't particularly encouraging.

Trust britrock as far as you can throw him. For the sake of this game, he is a 4 ton elephant. I wasn't here during the last games, but I can read and you all have said it, he is smart. From what I know of him in real life... we work together so I see him daily... he is a very smart whippersnapper.

I think he is playing us like fools.

[DQ_BOY1000]

VOTE BRITROCK88

Unless something big happens, that is not going to change. If I die tonight, then know that he is a murderer.

[path12]

One thing that hasn't yet been answered from the day before is whether Chief triggered his own murder by somehow investigating Bulletsponge. Could something similar have happened here?

I think for that to have happened though Yvette would have had to search out the person she knew was trying to kill her. That doesn't seem a sound move for Chubby to make.

Assuming that Chief did accidentally run into bullet which given bullet's comment at the end yesterday I think very well may have happened.

[bhlloy]

Don't think that's the way I want to go other than font, even though I do think his reveal is all BS.

[path12]

Not Chubby. ntn. Sorry for the confusion.

[path12]

Whereas, if we assume that Font was originally not a Murderer, and not lying about her role, we have to think that she took her one shot at a kill last night blindly on NTN and got lucky. Did we have any reason to know NTN's role?

FWIW, on my spreadsheet I had ntn narrowed down to one of four spots so while she might not have known exactly it could have been a not insignificant chance.

[bhlloy]

I guess the one thing to learn from this is dont reveal your role on day 1 if you don't have to. I still have no idea why anyone did that

Can we even get a second candidate right now? Anyone have a good read on another potential member of the big 6?

[DQ_BOY1000]

Can we even get a second candidate right now? Anyone have a good read on another potential member of the big 6?

I am curious as to who Prof. Plum is. I don't think Britrock is him. Is it possible for him to be Col. Mustard.

You asked for more participation and he got it :popcorn:

[DQ_BOY1000]

That Col. Mustard thing is a question (?) not a statement (.)

[path12]

I was bribed my vote doesn't count today

I assume this means you are Sgt Grey the corrupt cop. Who bribed you?

[Autumn]

I am curious as to who Prof. Plum is. I don't think Britrock is him. Is it possible for him to be Col. Mustard.

You asked for more participation and he got it :popcorn:

Brit claims to be Plum. No one has countered, which I take to mean that he truly is Plum. We net a wolf if someone counters, so seems like a fair bet.

[Danny]

I assume this means you are Sgt Grey the corrupt cop. Who bribed you?

I dont think me being bribed has anything to do with who I a may or may not be, but it appears to be someone elses ability. No idea who bribed me.

[fontisian]

FWIW, on my spreadsheet I had ntn narrowed down to one of four spots so while she might not have known exactly it could have been a not insignificant chance.

Listen, trying to kill Yvette would have been stupid. I already gave helpful information to town, which hurts scum in general, so why would I want to join them? More to the point, killing Yvette anytime after I revealed that she was my informant is beyond stupid, because it nearly guarantees a lynch. Seriously, who wants to die the first day they become a murder? Honestly, I haven't even used my power yet! :banghead:

[DQ_BOY1000]

Brit claims to be Plum. No one has countered, which I take to mean that he truly is Plum. We net a wolf if someone counters, so seems like a fair bet.

He very well might be Plum. But if he isn't, who could come out against him especially if the real Plum is also a murderer... the goal being to draw attention away from the real Plum to afflict unspeakable things on all of us!

CONSPIRACY I SAY!

[Danny]

Would be hard not to vote Font today if I had one.

[path12]

Listen, trying to kill Yvette would have been stupid. I already gave helpful information to town, which hurts scum in general, so why would I want to join them? More to the point, killing Yvette anytime after I revealed that she was my informant is beyond stupid, because it nearly guarantees a lynch. Seriously, who wants to die the first day they become a murder? Honestly, I haven't even used my power yet! :banghead:

I'm not saying you did or did not do anything. I was speaking specifically to Autumn's speculation that it would have been a big longshot if you had gone for ntn and that maybe it wouldn't have been as long a chance as he thought.

I haven't made my mind up about you today yet. Of the mind that it seems too obvious.

[path12]

I dont think me being bribed has anything to do with who I a may or may not be, but it appears to be someone elses ability. No idea who bribed me.

Wasn't there something yesterday with you not being about to vote then being able to?

If it didn't work yesterday but now you are in the house and the same person tried the same thing on the same victim? I thought that was weird yesterday and I still think it is today.

[Autumn]

Guessing that the wolves/somebody else can make a bribe. If they miss the cop they simply lose a vote. If they hit the cop, probably a conversion.

[Coffee Warlord]

3 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053)
1 - Britrock (DQ 1082)

[fontisian]

I'm wondering why Britrock won't tell us the results of his scan. Yes, a cleared towny has a high chance of being nightkilled, but the information is still useful.

[DQ_BOY1000]

I'm wondering why Britrock won't tell us the results of his scan. Yes, a cleared towny has a high chance of being nightkilled, but the information is still useful.

Because if he found a wolf and he is a wolf... then why would he tell us. He will try and play it off for as long as he can.

[PackerFanatic]

Wasn't there something yesterday with you not being about to vote then being able to?

If it didn't work yesterday but now you are in the house and the same person tried the same thing on the same victim? I thought that was weird yesterday and I still think it is today.

Yeah, someone tried yesterday when he wasn't in the house, so it didn't work. Someone really doesn't want Danny to be able to vote :)

[path12]

Yeah, someone tried yesterday when he wasn't in the house, so it didn't work. Someone really doesn't want Danny to be able to vote :)

Or I guess it would be good cover for a wolf not to have a vote to analyze.

Though Danny was the third on bullet yesterday and that gets him some slack, it just is the other explanation that came to my mind.

[DQ_BOY1000]

I was bribed my vote doesn't count today

But you can vote... it just wont count right?

[PackerFanatic]

I would find it pretty ballsy for a wolf to use his power on another wolf, but not out of the realm of possibilities for sure.

[saldana]

i think i am done buying Britrocks story...as little as i trust lathum, and we barely know fontsian at all, but both of them are being much more forthcoming.

vote britrock

[Lathum]

Because if he found a wolf and he is a wolf... then why would he tell us. He will try and play it off for as long as he can.

If that was the case
That would mean the wolves can't communicate. I believe we have been told that they can. Otherwise he can just pick someone he knows isn't a wolf and clear them.

[Lathum]

Just curious why you don't trust me sal?

[saldana]

Just curious why you don't trust me sal?

is this a serious question?

[Lathum]

Of course it is.

[DQ_BOY1000]

If that was the case
That would mean the wolves can't communicate. I believe we have been told that they can. Otherwise he can just pick someone he knows isn't a wolf and clear them.

Hmmm. Good point. There might be something I am missing.

[mauchow]

I trust Lathum.

[mauchow]

vote fontasian

There really isn't a whole lot of sense to keep font around anymore as we will always wonder if she is a wolf or not. Unless brit or someone else clears font with a seer scan as of today or soon I gotta think we need to go with font.

[Lathum]

Kinda makes me wonder why Brit hasn't scanne font yet. Seems like she would be an obvious choice given her reveal.

[path12]

I would find it pretty ballsy for a wolf to use his power on another wolf, but not out of the realm of possibilities for sure.

I was more of the idea that yeah, I can claim to have been bribed as well. Or you. Or anyone.

If he puts down a vote and it doesn't count in the final tally then I guess that vouches for it. Just spitballin'.

[Autumn]

Brit is not making obvious choices with the scan for sure. Says he scanned a "not big 6" which means he avoided scanning anyone who has "revealed". Scanned NTN instead of Chubby, despite thinking Chubby might be bad. Sounds to me like he doesn't want to limit our voting options.

[path12]

Kinda makes me wonder why Brit hasn't scanne font yet. Seems like she would be an obvious choice given her reveal.

Did you also think the ntn scan was sort of out of left field night 1? (I did). I do not like that he didn't come forward with last nights scan, especially after making a deal about it in the thread yesterday evening.

[path12]

Autumn, apparently you and I are thinking along the same lines on that crosspost.

[bhlloy]

I'm absolutely convinced Brit is full of it. But oh well, let him keep fake scanning people. If he's a wolf who he chooses to fake scan tells us things as well. And if he's the real seer he's making some strange choices but still helps.

I'd still like a second candidate today. Didn't people think path was a member of the big six at one point?

[bhlloy]

Also why did we like chubby and autumn so much yesterday and not a peep today? It always concerns me a little when people just fall off the table like that.

[Autumn]

Well, if Brit is full of it, Chubby's probably all right. Chubby is on the table mostly because it seemed like he perhaps took a shot at lynching a seer at the last second. If Brit's a wolf, Chubby is not.

[PackerFanatic]

I think brit and font are solid options today, no matter what brit might have to say in terms of a scan last night. The fact that he isn't dead yet is disconcerting for sure...and font is high on the list for obvious reasons.

[saldana]

Of course it is.

trusting you in WW is like drafting Ryan Leaf...sounds like a great idea, but in the end, you wind up screwed!

[bulletsponge]

there is so bloody much i want to say right now, but yall killed me you bastards.

[Coffee Warlord]

4 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113)
2 - Britrock (DQ 1082, Saldana 1106)

[Autumn]

Really busy afternoon. I probably won't be on much until near deadline.

[Lathum]

trusting you in WW is like drafting Ryan Leaf...sounds like a great idea, but in the end, you wind up screwed!

so your not basing this on anything that hapened in this game.

[Lathum]

vote Britrock

Font is an obvious choice for today, but it seems like a classic set up so I would rather keep the vote close

[Danny]

Or I guess it would be good cover for a wolf not to have a vote to analyze.

Though Danny was the third on bullet yesterday and that gets him some slack, it just is the other explanation that came to my mind.

I dont play that game as a wolf. I want to have a vote to analyze so that I can make people dance like puppets!

[Danny]

:) Yeah, someone tried yesterday when he wasn't in the house, so it didn't work. Someone really doesn't want Danny to be able to vote :)

But seriously, it is pretty funny. Again though. so it doesnt seem like I am chickening out, I would be voting font right now.

[JAG]

I agree that it looks like font is being set up, especially when you consider why in the world she would reveal on D1 if this was her plan all along, but on the other hand, we have a double murder that's very similar to what happened the day before when Scarlet appears to have been converted. If it's a set up, it's a pretty well done one.

[Chubby]

home from work

[bhlloy]

vote britrock

If we lynch a seer we will obviously look pretty stupid. But I can't help feeling that font is being set up and we are all falling for it. I'll reconsider this in more detail close to deadline

[Chubby]

he's not really helping tho (brit) IMO. i'm fine with either choice but I think font is still a murderer

[Coffee Warlord]

4 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113)
4 - Britrock (DQ 1082, Saldana 1106, Lathum 1128, bhlloy 1133)

[Zinto]

The double murder looks bad for Font but to be fair there may be another way for roles to get kills other then just the big six. I think Brit needs to reveal his scan because it helps us get at least a semi-circle of trust.

[path12]

The double murder looks bad for Font but to be fair there may be another way for roles to get kills other then just the big six. I think Brit needs to reveal his scan because it helps us get at least a semi-circle of trust.

Well it gets us a name anyway. His N1 scan is dead so that's a pretty small circle.

[Zinto]

I guess the flip side to Font using her kill on ntn is that ntn could have used his power on Font and died but I am not sure why he would do that since it has been discussed that if an informant finds his big six counterpart he would die.

[Zinto]

Well it gets us a name anyway. His N1 scan is dead so that's a pretty small circle.


At least we would have something to work with, so we can start to judge if we think a seer would scan that person.

[path12]

Here's my quandary with what we've got today.

First, let's say britrock isn't what he says he is. It's been a day and a half since then and there hasn't been any counter at all -- OR a scan of him by another seer that says he is a wolf. Add to that the fact that the one person he did say he scanned clean got offed last night and all in all it is hard for me to find a good reason to put a vote on him.

Then we have fontisian. She voluntarily comes out day 1 with her role (one that, by the way, was one there was a lot of talk about being prime lynch targets before her reveal), and again after a day and a half has not been countered at all. But her associated informer turns up dead today. That's a pretty ballsy play if you are a wolf.

So I'm not thrilled with either choice but there really isn't any other candidates around that look to be able to get any traction. Not sure where to go here.

[Zinto]

Brit still being alive and being the seer is not totally crazy to me for three reasons:
1. Just based on thread discussion it is clear that at some point we are going to lynch our seer, sooner rather then later. The murderers could be playing in to that and just waiting it out an extra day where they can wait it out and night kill him tonight if it does not work out.

2. They could be waiting for him to scan his informant thus converting him and taking out what I presume to be a villager.

[bhlloy]

Brit still being alive and being the seer is not totally crazy to me for three reasons:
1. Just based on thread discussion it is clear that at some point we are going to lynch our seer, sooner rather then later. The murderers could be playing in to that and just waiting it out an extra day where they can wait it out and night kill him tonight if it does not work out.

2. They could be waiting for him to scan his informant thus converting him and taking out what I presume to be a villager.

I don't think either of these is are remotely the case. You don't leave a seer alive longer than you have to as a wolf in case he gets lucky. No wolf who has any idea what they are doing does that.

If he was the seer and we have a traditional NK he would be dead. Or the wolves have no idea what they are doing

[Chubby]

Here's my quandary with what we've got today.

First, let's say britrock isn't what he says he is. It's been a day and a half since then and there hasn't been any counter at all -- OR a scan of him by another seer that says he is a wolf. Add to that the fact that the one person he did say he scanned clean got offed last night and all in all it is hard for me to find a good reason to put a vote on him.

Then we have fontisian. She voluntarily comes out day 1 with her role (one that, by the way, was one there was a lot of talk about being prime lynch targets before her reveal), and again after a day and a half has not been countered at all. But her associated informer turns up dead today. That's a pretty ballsy play if you are a wolf.

So I'm not thrilled with either choice but there really isn't any other candidates around that look to be able to get any traction. Not sure where to go here.

here's my quandry with brit, what good is a suspicious seer who doesn't clear people?

[path12]

I guess the flip side to Font using her kill on ntn is that ntn could have used his power on Font and died but I am not sure why he would do that since it has been discussed that if an informant finds his big six counterpart he would die.

Hmmm.

Fontisian, question. My recollection is that you had to specifically make your kill and if the person you targeted was a male character the kill would just happen and if it was Yvette you would become a wolf (and I assume if it was a different female character nothing would happen).

What about if someone found you? Did you have anything in your role description that said if Yvette found you the kill would happen?

The reason I ask is this. Maybe (doubtful but possible) ntn thought along these same lines and thought that checking you out could be done safely if you couldn't make a kill without trying to.

I don't know how much I like this theory after typing it out, but I'll ask the question anyway.

[bhlloy]

Here's my quandary with what we've got today.

First, let's say britrock isn't what he says he is. It's been a day and a half since then and there hasn't been any counter at all -- OR a scan of him by another seer that says he is a wolf. Add to that the fact that the one person he did say he scanned clean got offed last night and all in all it is hard for me to find a good reason to put a vote on him.

Then we have fontisian. She voluntarily comes out day 1 with her role (one that, by the way, was one there was a lot of talk about being prime lynch targets before her reveal), and again after a day and a half has not been countered at all. But her associated informer turns up dead today. That's a pretty ballsy play if you are a wolf.

So I'm not thrilled with either choice but there really isn't any other candidates around that look to be able to get any traction. Not sure where to go here.

FWIW these are my thoughts pretty much exactly. I wish we had someone else up there, with the two we have hopefully its at least close so we can learn something

[path12]

here's my quandry with brit, what good is a suspicious seer who doesn't clear people?

He is suspicious. But ntn is dead and brit cleared him.

[Zinto]

I don't think either of these is are remotely the case. You don't leave a seer alive longer than you have to as a wolf in case he gets lucky. No wolf who has any idea what they are doing does that.

If he was the seer and we have a traditional NK he would be dead. Or the wolves have no idea what they are doing


I forgot the flip side is that he could hit a wolf and I did not take that into consideration while typing that up.

[bhlloy]

Hmmm.

Fontisian, question. My recollection is that you had to specifically make your kill and if the person you targeted was a male character the kill would just happen and if it was Yvette you would become a wolf (and I assume if it was a different female character nothing would happen).

What about if someone found you? Did you have anything in your role description that said if Yvette found you the kill would happen?

The reason I ask is this. Maybe (doubtful but possible) ntn thought along these same lines and thought that checking you out could be done safely if you couldn't make a kill without trying to.

I don't know how much I like this theory after typing it out, but I'll ask the question anyway.

For that to happen ntn would have to have not been paying any attention. Maybe somebody can go back and see if he acknowledged the reveal yesterday or at least was around sometime after

[bhlloy]

He is suspicious. But ntn is dead and brit cleared him.

Brit as a wolf would know who is villager by means of elimination because he would know all the wolves. That really means less than nothing. The fact that he's not willing to reveal his scan today is much more telling and not in a good way

[path12]

If he was the seer and we have a traditional NK he would be dead. Or the wolves have no idea what they are doing

Could have been blocked one way or another too I suppose.

[Chubby]

He is suspicious. But ntn is dead and brit cleared him.

and what good is he doing us? he's not telling us who he scanned

[Chubby]

Could have been blocked one way or another too I suppose.

i'd bet that was not the case

[Coffee Warlord]

4 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113)
4 - Britrock (DQ 1082, Saldana 1106, Lathum 1128, bhlloy 1133)

[path12]

For that to happen ntn would have to have not been paying any attention. Maybe somebody can go back and see if he acknowledged the reveal yesterday or at least was around sometime after

I might not have been clear above -- I'm throwing out the idea that ntn approached fontisian clearly knowing her role. Her description of her role was a bit different than Lathum's and brits -- it was that she got to make one kill attempt during the game and if the conditions were correct it would be successful -- not necessarily that if she happened to just run into her nemesis that they would die.

So if ntn's ability (I don't remember what it was offhand) would have helped check fontisian out -- and based on her info thought that he could approach safely -- he might have done so.

See the difference? I don't think it is likely, just want to surmise if it was possible.

I really suspect a wolf kill here to get us to lynch a non-murderer today. Especially after this exact thing happened with a Big Six character yesterday.

[fontisian]

What about if someone found you? Did you have anything in your role description that said if Yvette found you the kill would happen?

The reason I ask is this. Maybe (doubtful but possible) ntn thought along these same lines and thought that checking you out could be done safely if you couldn't make a kill without trying to.

I don't know how much I like this theory after typing it out, but I'll ask the question anyway.
All I was told was that I would kill Yvette or a male character if I used my one-time ability to visit them at night. So, it's a possibility. ntn's motive would probably be to stop me from killing him by roleblocking me. If he died because he tried to roleblock me, I wasn't told.

[path12]

and what good is he doing us? he's not telling us who he scanned

To be clear -- I do not like it at all that he has not given us who he scanned.

But it is irrelevent to the point of whether he is actually a seer or not.

[path12]

i'd bet that was not the case

Why?

[bhlloy]

Could have been blocked one way or another too I suppose.

We seemed to have an NK each night, although obviously in this rule set we don't really know either way

[path12]

We seemed to have an NK each night, although obviously in this rule set we don't really know either way

With the warning up front by CW about the bloodbath potential I would expect deaths nightly by whatever means the bastard thought up.

[JAG]

I might not have been clear above -- I'm throwing out the idea that ntn approached fontisian clearly knowing her role. Her description of her role was a bit different than Lathum's and brits -- it was that she got to make one kill attempt during the game and if the conditions were correct it would be successful -- not necessarily that if she happened to just run into her nemesis that they would die.

So if ntn's ability (I don't remember what it was offhand) would have helped check fontisian out -- and based on her info thought that he could approach safely -- he might have done so.

See the difference? I don't think it is likely, just want to surmise if it was possible.

I really suspect a wolf kill here to get us to lynch a non-murderer today. Especially after this exact thing happened with a Big Six character yesterday.

Unless ntn wasn't paying attention at all, I don't think this was the case:

NTN was Yvette, and could prevent any male character from taking their night action.

font isn't a male character, so why would ntn choose to visit her?

[Coffee Warlord]

Four kills in two nights not enough for you guys? Okay, I'll make sure things get ratcheted up a notch tonight.

[Chubby]

We seemed to have an NK each night, although obviously in this rule set we don't really know either way

path - that's why

[Zinto]

Did NTN offer up what his role was? I don't think he did.

[fontisian]

NTN was Yvette, and could prevent any male character from taking their night action.
So, short of major reading comprehension issues, he had no reason to visit me.

[path12]

Unless ntn wasn't paying attention at all, I don't think this was the case:



font isn't a male character, so why would ntn choose to visit her?

Thanks JAG, appreciate that -- I had forgotten what ntn's ability was and hadn't had a chance to go back and check yet.

[Danny]

I agree that it looks like font is being set up, especially when you consider why in the world she would reveal on D1 if this was her plan all along, but on the other hand, we have a double murder that's very similar to what happened the day before when Scarlet appears to have been converted. If it's a set up, it's a pretty well done one.

Who says Font became a murderer intentionally?

[path12]

So, short of major reading comprehension issues, he had no reason to visit me.

Agree now, and ntn is not the kind of player to not know what is going on. Theory busted.

So were still down to a candidate that seems too easy to be true and an uncontested seer that hasn't hit anything in two whole days and for some god-unknown reason thinks it's a good idea to keep quiet on his scan last night.

Ugh.

[JAG]

I thought it was a good hypothesis actually, as I had forgotten what his role was when I went back to look it up. So now I'm just back to being confused as to why font would play things the way she has, but not really having a better explanation for what happened last night.

[path12]

Who says Font became a murderer intentionally?

Fair point.

[path12]

Four kills in two nights not enough for you guys? Okay, I'll make sure things get ratcheted up a notch tonight.

May diseased yaks share your bed.

[path12]

I thought it was a good hypothesis actually, as I had forgotten what his role was when I went back to look it up. So now I'm just back to being confused as to why font would play things the way she has, but not really having a better explanation for what happened last night.

The only viable reason I can think of is the It's So Obvious They'll Never Think It's True theory.

I think she's good enough to play that angle. I just don't know that she's doing it this game.

[bhlloy]

I guess Brit is holding his "scan" in his pocket as a get out of lynch free card. That doesn't buy him any trust or goodwill as far as I can see

[Zinto]

Well I am about to leave and I am not sure if I will be back before deadline so I need to place a vote. I am leaning towards there being a better chance that Font was converted last night then ntn just being a second night kill.

Vote Font

[Zinto]

I guess Brit is holding his "scan" in his pocket as a get out of lynch free card. That doesn't buy him any trust or goodwill as far as I can see


I am not sure he has been on since everyone has been pushing for him to reveal his scan but he should reveal who it was. I also don't think it is going to matter who he scanned he is going to get votes no matter what.

[path12]

There is no scenario where I'm going to vote for an uncontested seer so if we end up with these as the choices I'll likely go fontesian, but I'm kind of casting about for a viable alternative.

As is pretty obvious.

[bhlloy]

I'm struggling to understand the logic there. Is the thought that a fake seer/wolf britrock is more likely to leave ntn alive? I would have thought the exact opposite

[Chubby]

nobody is going to counter his character, there's no way to counter his "seer" claim. which, mind you, he revealed with 3 minutes before deadline night 1 and has been not very helpful since then.

[Coffee Warlord]

5 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113, Zinto 1173)
4 - Britrock (DQ 1082, Saldana 1106, Lathum 1128, bhlloy 1133)

[path12]

nobody is going to counter his character, there's no way to counter his "seer" claim. which, mind you, he revealed with 3 minutes before deadline night 1 and has been not very helpful since then.

If he is not the seer than someone else is. And they would have scanned him last night.

I don't get why you have been gung-ho on him since the start of the game. Yes, he needs to be clearer. But a seer not finding anyone in two scans shouldn't be a big red flag to anyone. Hell, I've gone an entire game as a seer and not hit anything.

Which says more about my own lack of ability but just saying.

[path12]

And, if as you say nobody is going to counter his character, then he IS the seer and for god's sakes why the hell would we want to hang him?

[bulletsponge]

:popcorn:

[Chubby]

If he is not the seer than someone else is. And they would have scanned him last night.

I don't get why you have been gung-ho on him since the start of the game. Yes, he needs to be clearer. But a seer not finding anyone in two scans shouldn't be a big red flag to anyone. Hell, I've gone an entire game as a seer and not hit anything.

Which says more about my own lack of ability but just saying.

its not that he hasn't found anyone, it's that he hasn't said who he was scanned at all in 2 nights.

also, please point out where he specifically spelled out that he can search for murderers. He may have said it but I can't find it. I read his "reveal" as simply the same as the other revealed Big 6ers abilities in that they are searching for their counterpart.

[Chubby]

And, if as you say nobody is going to counter his character, then he IS the seer and for god's sakes why the hell would we want to hang him?

how is Mr Plum = seer written in stone?

his character and ability are 2 totally separate things IMO.

[bhlloy]

If he is not the seer than someone else is. And they would have scanned him last night.

.

CW was very clear that regular WW roles would not be in this game. I don't think we necessarily have a seer. Nothing I've seen in the roles I know so far seems to suggest otherwise

[Autumn]

I'm struggling to understand the logic there. Is the thought that a fake seer/wolf britrock is more likely to leave ntn alive? I would have thought the exact opposite

I think if there was one kill, of NTN, this wuld be simpler. I'd assume someone was trying to clear cleared characters, maybe Brit was trying ot make himself look good.

The wrinkle is the second kill. We don't know whether there's any way for there to be a second kill outside of a Big 6 kill (though I suspect there probably is). So we have to lean heavily towards Font having gotten lucky with NTN, since we don't know any other reason for Hoops to also have died.

The thing is, if Font is/was good the wolves would have no way of knowing they were setting Font up by killing NTN. If Brit is a real seer, I'm not sure that they kill NTN and make him look good. Why not leave him even more suspicious. If Brit is a wolf, they kill NTN to make it look like the wolves believe in him. Either way I don't think the wolves necessarily kill Brit, who could become a wolf any night (if he's not one).

[Chubby]

:popcorn:

maybe next game :wagfingers:

[hoopsguy]

Four kills in two nights not enough for you guys? Okay, I'll make sure things get ratcheted up a notch tonight.

The Greek chorus cheers! :thumbsup:

[Coffee Warlord]

:popcorn:

Didn't I kill you already?

[path12]

CW was very clear that regular WW roles would not be in this game. I don't think we necessarily have a seer. Nothing I've seen in the roles I know so far seems to suggest otherwise

There are certainly roles in this game that are regular WW roles. There may be a twist or two, but the basic archetypes are in this game.

[Chubby]

There are certainly roles in this game that are regular WW roles. There may be a twist or two, but the basic archetypes are in this game.

Says who?

[DQ_BOY1000]

This game is making my head blow up. There is so much going on I can't keep track.

Here is the only condition I move off Brit... he tells us who he investigated!

[Danny]

I will support what Path said.

[bhlloy]

The thing is, if Font is/was good the wolves would have no way of knowing they were setting Font up by killing NTN. If Brit is a real seer, I'm not sure that they kill NTN and make him look good. Why not leave him even more suspicious. If Brit is a wolf, they kill NTN to make it look like the wolves believe in him. Either way I don't think the wolves necessarily kill Brit, who could become a wolf any night (if he's not one).

This makes sense and makes me somewhat hopeful we might even be wolf-wolf tonight.

[path12]

its not that he hasn't found anyone, it's that he hasn't said who he was scanned at all in 2 nights.

also, please point out where he specifically spelled out that he can search for murderers. He may have said it but I can't find it. I read his "reveal" as simply the same as the other revealed Big 6ers abilities in that they are searching for their counterpart.

Oh shit, now I've gotta post hunt? I read his reveal as a seer. Obviously we disagree.

He did say he scanned ntn as clear night one per my notes. I don't think I imagined that but who knows.

[bhlloy]

There are certainly roles in this game that are regular WW roles. There may be a twist or two, but the basic archetypes are in this game.

If this is true I think CW was being duplicitous in his writeup. That's the opposite of what it says

[bhlloy]

Also, do not expect roles to be the normal WW roles. There are a few similarities, but for the most part, they are weird.

[DQ_BOY1000]

I think the "types" that are in this game are those that can "search" someone and become a wolf if they find someone... that is a big "twist" from searching and subsequently announcing a wolf.

[Chubby]

This makes sense and makes me somewhat hopeful we might even be wolf-wolf tonight.

Same here.

[path12]

Screw it. It's only worth one scan, but I'm the seer.

I'm bummed I didn't hear from others about suspicion in bulletsponge until morning, because he ended up as my #2 scan priority last night.

My thinking was that murrayyyyy revealed his informant role (whether people picked up on that or not) and was thus an easily known villager. As long as you guys believe me, I'm a villager, too. So the most popular votee with unknown murderer affiliation was Chubby. I went back through the vote analysis and looked for the latest move that was indicative of defending Chubby, and came up with ntndeacon.

Ntndeaceon scanned as a non-murderer. There is a caveat to this, though. Suppose ntndeacon was the character who we assume is Miss Scarlett -- the one who killed CR the cop. Because CW resolves night actions simultaneously, if I had the luck to scan a Big Six player AS they were killing their informant/converting, I would get a non-murderer result for a player who would become a murderer immediately thereafter. Bummer.

I take the "one scan" comment to refer to the fact that he thinks he is gonna get whacked. YMMV.

[DQ_BOY1000]

One helps the village (traditional seer) and the other screws us (Britrock88)!!!

[Danny]

Why not bring in one more candidate and we can go wolf, wolf wolf.

I think anyone even hoping we have wolf wolf is likely very very wrong

[DQ_BOY1000]

Why not bring in one more candidate and we can go wolf, wolf wolf.

I think anyone even hoping we have wolf wolf is likely very very wrong


Are you saying neither are wolves?

[path12]

Chubby, you said you were a soothsayer. Have you not checked out any of britrock's statements?

[Danny]

No, I am saying I dont think any decent wolf team would let the village get them in a wolf-wolf situation. One could quite possibly be a wolf, but I dont see both being wolves

[Chubby]

Chubby, you said you were a soothsayer. Have you not checked out any of britrock's statements?

Hahaha, I never said that because i'm not a soothsayer. Please quote me.

[Chubby]

No, I am saying I dont think any decent wolf team would let the village get them in a wolf-wolf situation. One could quite possibly be a wolf, but I dont see both being wolves

and yet last game we had wolf-wolf at the end and the wolves won. :D

[path12]

This makes sense and makes me somewhat hopeful we might even be wolf-wolf tonight.

I love and hate werewolf.

We are looking at the same stuff and am afraid we are villager-villager. :D

[Danny]

and yet last game we had wolf-wolf at the end and the wolves won. :D

Well yes, but early game wolf wolf rarely happens

[Autumn]

Here's the thing. If Britrock is on the up and up, and is truly the seer and not a murderer, there's a very good chance he will be by tonight. He must have his list of suspects down to 3 or 4. By tomorrow night he's almost certain to have his Informer caught, with just a bit of luck.

Now the question is, do we wait until the Singing Telegram Girl dies, and then lynch Brit the next day? Or do we lynch him proactively (with the added bonus that he might already be bad)? I wonder what happens if he's already bad - does he still need to find the Telegram Girl, and will anything happen if he does?

[Chubby]

didn't brit even say this morning that he scanned someone but wasn't going to tell just yet?

[Danny]

Here's the thing. If Britrock is on the up and up, and is truly the seer and not a murderer, there's a very good chance he will be by tonight. He must have his list of suspects down to 3 or 4. By tomorrow night he's almost certain to have his Informer caught, with just a bit of luck.

Now the question is, do we wait until the Singing Telegram Girl dies, and then lynch Brit the next day? Or do we lynch him proactively (with the added bonus that he might already be bad)? I wonder what happens if he's already bad - does he still need to find the Telegram Girl, and will anything happen if he does?

The possible upside to waiting is him getting another scan in. I dont know though, I dont think Brit has been converted, so if he is a wolf, he was likely a starting wolf.

[Chubby]

I've got another cleared player outside the Big Six. I'm thinking I won't reveal until I need to, though, given what happened to ntn.

ahh yes, so helpful

[Autumn]

To follow, if Brit really is a seer, waiting until he lynches the Telegram girl gives us a few valid scans before he dies. Killing him before he finds her saves us one unnecessary death (telegram girl) but costs us scans.

[path12]

Hahaha, I never said that because i'm not a soothsayer. Please quote me.

My bad. I had down that you hinted at it and then you referenced a piece of information that made me think you were. You never said that.

[Autumn]

Now, if Brit is a starting wolf, and also can cause the death of the telegram girl, then we want to kill him now, as he may be helping with a night kill, plus working his way toward an extra kill.

On the other hand, if Fontisian was converted last night, she is a wolf, but not one that can cause an extra death, so Brit would be a higher priority than her.

[Autumn]

This is all to say I'm not sure where to vote.

[Chubby]

My bad. I had down that you hinted at it and then you referenced a piece of information that made me think you were. You never said that.

I had down that you hinted at a Big 6 role.

/shrug :popcorn:

[Danny]

The golden rule no longer works because Hoops is dead :(

[path12]

Hahaha, I never said that because i'm not a soothsayer. Please quote me.

I had down that you hinted at a Big 6 role.

/shrug :popcorn:

I flat out said I wasn't an informant. That's all.

[path12]

Don't know how that other quote got in there.

[Chubby]

Don't know how that other quote got in there.

mad skillz :p

like i said, hinted at

[KatyLied]

Finally caught up on posts and I'mthoroughly confused. But myohmy this spreadsheet is so pretty and color coded!

As much as I wanted to refrain from going after my real life homies until absolutely necessary, britrock's caterwauling from last night was très unnecessary. And DQ_BOY is right - brit is smart and, I'm starting to believe, an unrepentant wolf. But he's having a busy day IRL, and has zero chance to redeem himself. So I'll give him a chance. (You'd better make it good, Mister.)

[fontisian]

I do still have my kill. Can anyone think of a way for me to prove it? All I can think of is going after a person the town chooses, but I could do that if I were scum without an extra kill.

[Chubby]

I do still have my kill. Can anyone think of a way for me to prove it? All I can think of is going after a person the town chooses, but I could do that if I were scum without an extra kill.

sure, you can prove it when you are lynched :D

[fontisian]

Wow, I never thought of that Chubby.

[Chubby]

I'm here to help.

[Coffee Warlord]

5 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113, Zinto 1173)
4 - Britrock (DQ 1082, Saldana 1106, Lathum 1128, bhlloy 1133)

[path12]

VOTE FONTESIAN

Reasonings and hesitations are already on record. Be back before deadline in case anything comes up.

[britrock88]

Okay, in the thread. Be ready for some posts.

[britrock88]

The drawback is, that if someone else killed NTN, then Font is now a safe Big 6 to have around, so it would be a shame to kill her. It also is a wasted day if everyone just piles on her for this reason. If we had a seer we could trust, that would be one thing--we could just scan her. But the fact that Britrock is still alive isn't particularly encouraging.

I'm thinking more and more that the wolves are willing to keep me around because none of you (save maybe Zinto and path) seem to trust me, anyway.

[britrock88]

Kinda makes me wonder why Brit hasn't scanne font yet. Seems like she would be an obvious choice given her reveal.

Would you like me to? By gut reaction, I was more inclined to believe her reveal than yours...

[britrock88]

vote britrock

If we lynch a seer we will obviously look pretty stupid. But I can't help feeling that font is being set up and we are all falling for it. I'll reconsider this in more detail close to deadline

You will look pretty stupid. And I don't think font is the way to go.

[britrock88]

The double murder looks bad for Font but to be fair there may be another way for roles to get kills other then just the big six. I think Brit needs to reveal his scan because it helps us get at least a semi-circle of trust.

My scan? Zinto is clean.

[Chubby]

Would you like me to? By gut reaction, I was more inclined to believe her reveal than yours...

who cares who you scan if you don't reveal it

[britrock88]

Brit still being alive and being the seer is not totally crazy to me for three reasons:
1. Just based on thread discussion it is clear that at some point we are going to lynch our seer, sooner rather then later. The murderers could be playing in to that and just waiting it out an extra day where they can wait it out and night kill him tonight if it does not work out.

2. They could be waiting for him to scan his informant thus converting him and taking out what I presume to be a villager.

Danke.

[Chubby]

You will look pretty stupid. And I don't think font is the way to go.

why?

[britrock88]

I don't think either of these is are remotely the case. You don't leave a seer alive longer than you have to as a wolf in case he gets lucky. No wolf who has any idea what they are doing does that.

If he was the seer and we have a traditional NK he would be dead. Or the wolves have no idea what they are doing

Unless the confusion caused by the near-total lack of belief in my reveal is doing more for the wolves' cause than is my revealing clean scans.

[Chubby]

My scan? Zinto is clean.

and night 2?

[britrock88]

here's my quandry with brit, what good is a suspicious seer who doesn't clear people?

What good is an obstinate WW player who won't believe in an uncontroverted and pressure-induced seer reveal?

[britrock88]

I am not sure he has been on since everyone has been pushing for him to reveal his scan but he should reveal who it was. I also don't think it is going to matter who he scanned he is going to get votes no matter what.

Right. Sigh...

[britrock88]

its not that he hasn't found anyone, it's that he hasn't said who he was scanned at all in 2 nights.

also, please point out where he specifically spelled out that he can search for murderers. He may have said it but I can't find it. I read his "reveal" as simply the same as the other revealed Big 6ers abilities in that they are searching for their counterpart.

If you would like it spelled out again, I AM THE SEER. I SCAN FOR MURDERERS. THE "WEIRD" PART OF MY ROLE IS THAT IF I HAPPEN TO SCAN THE SINGING TELEGRAM GIRL, I MURDER HER AND CONVERT.

[britrock88]

There are certainly roles in this game that are regular WW roles. There may be a twist or two, but the basic archetypes are in this game.

*ding ding ding*

[britrock88]

I take the "one scan" comment to refer to the fact that he thinks he is gonna get whacked. YMMV.

Yup.

[britrock88]

I love and hate werewolf.

We are looking at the same stuff and am afraid we are villager-villager. :D

I think you're right.

[britrock88]

Vote Chubby

[Chubby]

Vote Chubby

lolololol

why not font? who was day 2 scan?

[britrock88]

why?

Because the village will vote out its seer.

and night 2?

Scanned ntn as clean on N1 (fancy why he was NKed last night).
Scanned Zinto as clean on N2.

[Chubby]

also, why not scan me? i've been on the block every day. i'm glad to see my streak is unbroken

[Chubby]

Because the village will vote out its seer.



Scanned ntn as clean on N1 (fancy why he was NKed last night).
Scanned Zinto as clean on N2.

so you are scanning for the telegram girl. got it

[britrock88]

lolololol

why not font? who was day 2 scan?

Font has also revealed and has not been contradicted. And it seems to be her (stated?) intention to stay on the side of the village, so I don't think she went looking for her informant.