WW CLVI - Clue: Master Detective - GAME OVER! MURDERERS WIN! (Post 1817)

[Coffee Warlord]

Welcome to the Hill House, just off scenic Route 41!

Things are not all as they seem, however. After a lovely dinner of monkey's brains, which, while populate in Cantonese cuisine, is not often found in Washington DC, you learn that many of the folks attending dinner are being blackmailed...by the very host of the dinner, Mr Boddy!

To make matters worse, the house is locked, and informants, blackmailer, and blackmailees are all locked in this massive old house....and the police are on their way! You need to decide who dun it to give that person over to the cops, before the murderer kills you all.

Usual rules apply. Don't edit posts, vote in bold, ah la: VOTE HOOPSGUY.

Lynch deadline will be tentatively 8:00pm Central Time.
Night actions due 7:00am Central Time, to be processed around 8:00am. Maybe earlier, maybe later.

The first time you tie the lynch vote, nobody dies. The second time you tie the lynch vote, I unleash unspeakable horrors. The third time you tie the lynch vote...one does not speak of such things.

Characters are divided into four separate categories, as follows.

The Big Six
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The Big Six are the original six characters. With the exception of Mr. Green, they all have some sort of vendetta against one of the Informants, and thusly all a very vested interest in murdering the living hell out of them. Any of the Big Six has the potential to become a murderer.

The Informants
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Also invited to the party are the Informants. They have all been secretly passing information to Mr Boddy for years, allowing him to blackmail the Big Six. Unfortunately, now they are stuck in the very same house as those they've ratted out.

The Extras
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While they have no chance at becoming a murderer through ordinary means, the Extras have also come to attend the party, and each has a vested interest in finding the killer(s).

The Murderers
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There is at least one murderer at the start of the game. They are not known to you, but they have a very big interest in making you die, to fulfill their nefarious plots. Any one of the Big Six may also become a murderer during the course of the game, if certain conditions are met.

Note. Despite the multiple categories, there are only two factions for gameplay purposes: Not Murderers and Murderers.

Really note. This game has the potential of being a serious bloodbath. MOST characters have roles, and most characters roles can result in horrific painful deaths for certain parties involved. I make no guarantees that this will not go horribly horribly wrong/right and result in a shit ton of people dying immediately.

Specifics to follow.

[Coffee Warlord]

All roles/titles will begin the game as hidden. You will not know what people can do, or who they are. You WILL learn the identity of the person when they die, you will learn if they were a murderer, but you will not learn their ability.

Also, do not expect roles to be the normal WW roles. There are a few similarities, but for the most part, they are weird.

The Big Six
The Big Six, as noted above, are all fully capable of becoming a murderer at some point in the game.

Colonel Mustard
One very fat fellow, the morbidly rich Colonel stole essential airplane radio parts and sold them on the black market. The Motorist informed on him to
Mr Boddy, who is now paying him a small fortune to stay quiet.

Miss Scarlet
The quite attractive Miss Scarlet runs an answering service that provides a gentleman with the company of a young lady, for a short while. She's been
bribing The Cop for years to keep her business going, but Mr Boddy has found out, and is trying to cut in on the action.

Mrs White
The pale, tragic Mrs White. C'mon guys, she's only had five husbands, who have all vanished under mysterious circumstances! No sweat! She has a particular
dislike of Yvette, who she caught cheating with husband #4.

Mr Green
Mr Green works for the State Department. And...he's a homosexual. Thank you.

Professor Plum
Know what male doctors can't do with their patients? He did. Whoops. An affair with The Singing Telegram Girl resulted in him losing his license, and
paying a great deal of blackmail to Mr Boddy.

Mrs Peacock
The wife of a corrupt Senator, Mrs Peacock rose to fame by collecting bribes for her husband. Also a big fan of monkey's brains, though she has little taste in
hats. The Cook found out her secrets and told Mr Boddy.



The Informants
While the informants cannot become a murderer, they stand a better than average chance of being murdered themselves. They've ratted out their former
employers, and are now stuck in a house with them. The good news is, they have a few tricks up their sleeve.

The Cop
You've been taking bribes from Miss Scarlet for years.

The Motorist
You were Colonel Mustard's driver during the war.

The Cook
An expert in Cantonese cuisine, you were once Mrs Peacock's personal chef.

Yvette
The scantily dressed maid, you had an affair with one of Mrs White's prior husbands. And you worked for Miss Scarlet. And you banged Colonel Mustard, you dirty slut you.

The Singing Telegram Girl
You had a thing for the Professor, and for having bit roles in B-rate movies.



The Extras
The Extras also cannot become murderers, but they do have special abilities. Mr Boddy and Wadsworth are guaranteed to be in the game.

Mr Boddy
Oh yeah. He's here, he's blackmailing you, and he has in his possession six lethal weapons.

Wadsworth
Mr Boddy's personal butler, he himself was being blackmailed by the odious Mr Boddy. It was his idea to gather everyone to the house and confront Mr Boddy.



The Other Extras
These are publicly known characters at the onset of the game. Whether or not they are a murderer is, however, not known. What powers they have is also not known. HOWEVER. The Other Extras are running late, and don't arrive to the mansion with the rest of the guests. They will arrive at an unknown day (no later than day 3, most likely earlier). They can take no actions, be targeted for night actions, or be lynched until they have arrived at the house. They CAN take part in any discussions, however, and they CAN vote.

Miss Peach
The very picture of beauty, this innocent flower seems entirely out of place amongst such sordid fellows.

Monsieur Brunette
A hideously wealthy and hideously ruthless arms dealer, the frenchman is a master of disguise and intrigue.

Madame Rose
Word is the Madame is more than the fraudulent fortune teller many claim her to be. What she's actually doing here is a different matter entirely.

Sergeant Grey
Another corrupt cop...is there any other kind? However, the timing of his visit to the manor house leads to many questions as to who he's working for.

The Chief
The local chief of police is, amazingly, the only honest cop around.

Lady Lavender
Lady Lavender is and old bitter widow. She's seen it all, done them all, and lived to tell the tale.

Prince Azure
A disgraced Prussian nobleman, the Prince has worked in the underworld for years. He is a leading figure in the criminal world...what's he doing here?

Rusty Naylor
The groundskeeper at the mansion, this old man has seen far too much, and just wants to retire to the country. He's been tending to this house for decades, and knows it inside and out.

Mr Meadow-Brook
Mr Boddy's attorney. He's been known to represent some of the foulest people on earth, and has always gotten an acquittal.


ORDER OF OPERATIONS

All night actions are to be considered happening at the same time.

When an event occurs that would prevent a character from completing their actions (aka any sort of 'blocking' action), that will take priority.

In reasonably simple terms:

Player A attacks Player B at night.
Player B has an ability to block Player C's action.
Player C is a seer, and scans player A.

This would be resolved as: Player B is killed. Player C's scan is blocked by Player B, despite the fact he died in the process of it.

It can get more complicated than that, but the simple rule of thumb is - everything gets resolved at once. You can complete your action in your death throes.

[Coffee Warlord]

Signup sheet. I cannot run this with any less than 13. More is better.

1) Autumn - Prince Azure - Proved the ancient theory that Wrench Beats Prussian, Night 3
2) bulletsponge - Miss Scarlet - Convicted of murder and sentenced to death by bacon, Day 2
3) mauchow
4) Zinto - The Motorist - His only crime was caring, Night 4
5) JAG - Mr Boddy - Messed with a Colonel when death is on the line, Night 4
6) Chief Rum - The Cop - Shot in the face by Buford Tannen, over a matter of 80 dollars, Night 1
7) PackerFanatic
8) saldana
9) Lathum
10) DaddyTorgo
11) britrock88 - Professor Plum - Died of shock that he was still alive, Night 4
12) Danny
13) murrayyyyy - The Cook - Falsely accused and fled for Hong Kong, Day 1
14) KatyLied - Miss Peach - After all, if child molesters can be hot, so can falsely accused murderers, Day 5
15) path12 - Colonel Mustard - Lived like a king, died like a dog, still beat down the Boddy, Night 4
16) hoopsguy - Madame Rose - Choked on the goldfish, Night 2
17) ntndeacon - Yvette - Brought her boobs to a lead pipe fight and died, Night 2
18) DQ_BOY1000
19) fontisian - Mrs White - Discovered that the FBI doesn't care about heaving breaths, Day 3
20) Chubby - Wadsworth - Fought the law. The law won, Day 4
21) bhlloy
22) Darth Vilus - Monsiuer Brunette - Wore makeup and died for it, Night 1
23) hoopsguy's evil twin - incinerated by combustable yak piss, day 0

[Autumn]

Bloodbath? Sign me up!

[Autumn]

I actually have Clue: Master Detective, so I figure I've got this one in the bag.

[Coffee Warlord]

And it has nothing to do with Master Detective. Based off the movie more than anything. :)

[bulletsponge]

oh hell yea! one of my guilty pleasure movies. and after having fun in the last WW game im up for this



Bulletsponge shags Ms Scarlett in the study

[Coffee Warlord]

http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic748869.jpg

[Autumn]

Our first Clue!

[mauchow]

In

[Zinto]

in

[bulletsponge]

Hmmm after watching Autumn play as a wolf, i know better than to trust him. *grabs lead pipe and hides if behind back*

[JAG]

Sure.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, I don't skip bloodbaths. In.

[PackerFanatic]

Well, I have to survive a little longer than last game, right? :) This sounds like a fun one - I am in.

[PackerFanatic]

Yeah, I don't skip bloodbaths. In.

That's a good way to put it. Or creepy. Probably a little of both.

[Autumn]

Well, I have to survive a little longer than last game, right? :) This sounds like a fun one - I am in.

Sorry about that, PF. ;-)

[saldana]

In.

[Coffee Warlord]

More roles updated.

[PackerFanatic]

Sorry about that, PF. ;-)

You are not sorry! :-P

[murrayyyyy]

So no one knows who anyone is? Or would the Cop and Miss Scarlet know who each other are? I was confused enough in my first game...

[bulletsponge]

So no one knows who anyone is? Or would the Cop and Miss Scarlet know who each other are? I was confused enough in my first game...

you dont fool me! i was your teammate, i saw your natural wolfish mind in action

[Lathum]

in

[murrayyyyy]

you dont fool me! i was your teammate, i saw your natural wolfish mind in action

Wolfish mind is different from this. it sounds like you just know peoples names and no one know the other roles (so killers can kill killers on accident)...

Well I hope I get to be Vyette lol... This way I can google image "scantily dressed maid" and say it was for the game only... :lol:

In

[DaddyTorgo]

bloodbaths are cool - i'm in

[britrock88]

The first time you tie the lynch vote, nobody dies. The second time you tie the lynch vote, I unleash unspeakable horrors. The third time you tie the lynch vote...one does not speak of such things.

This should be SOP going forward. :D

[Autumn]

I think CW should personally travel to our houses and slap us if we tie the vote 3 times.

[britrock88]

And it has nothing to do with Master Detective. Based off the movie more than anything. :)

Was catching on to that, but you'll get no complaints from me.

In.

(Maybe bringing others?)

[Danny]

I'll play

[Coffee Warlord]

We've got our minimum, anyone past this makes things more amusing. Monday start it is.

[KatyLied]

In

[britrock88]

Woop woop! New blood.

[Danny]

Welcome! Hopefully you will enjoy playing with us

[Coffee Warlord]

Muah. Fresh meat.

[PackerFanatic]

I think CW should personally travel to our houses and slap us if we tie the vote 3 times.

Am I the only one that kinda wants to see what he would do if we did tie it that much?

[DaddyTorgo]

Am I the only one that kinda wants to see what he would do if we did tie it that much?

Nope :D

[hoopsguy]

Am I the only one that kinda wants to see what he would do if we did tie it that much?

I suspect it would involve a really gruesome seen with yaks.

[Coffee Warlord]

You ARE playing, right hoops? RIGHT?

RIGHT?!?!

[Coffee Warlord]

Oh, and note the Order of Operations post at the top.

[Chief Rum]

In my game, if you tied it, you would have lost the right to lynch anyone until you eliminated a wrestler. :devil:















(j/k... but I wish I had thought of it sooner...)

[path12]

I actually have Clue: Master Detective, so I figure I've got this one in the bag.

I do too!

One more game. In.

[hoopsguy]

You ARE playing, right hoops? RIGHT?

RIGHT?!?!

Monday start? Might be my last chance for awhile to play one, so I'll do it.
Standard commentary about work getting in way of access, blah blah blah :)

[hoopsguy]

Although I can't say I'm too pleased with the subliminal message in the rules:

Usual rules apply. Don't edit posts, vote in bold, ah la: VOTE HOOPSGUY.

[Chief Rum]

Can we just preselect to make me and hoops wolves? Thank you.

[JAG]

I think that's boilerplate these days.

[Autumn]

Signup sheet. I cannot run this with any less than 13. More is better.

1) Autumn
2) bulletsponge
3) mauchow
4) Zinto
5) JAG
6) Chief Rum
7) PackerFanatic
8) saldana
9) Lathum
10) DaddyTorgo
11) britrock88
12) Danny
13) murrayyyyy
14) KatyLied
15) path12
16) Hoopsguy - LYNCHED DAY 0
17)
18)

Fixed that for ya.

[Lathum]

I plan on voting Hoops D1, seems he is prone to letting WW get in the way of work

[hoopsguy]

I plan on voting Hoops D1, seems he is prone to letting WW get in the way of work

I always appreciate when fellow players look out for me like that ;)

In all seriousness, I'm concerned that by D3 I will have work screwing up my access/availability. But if this is a bloodbath then I can safely partake in early carnage before exiting, stage left. Or just recklessly disregard important work stuff to scheme here ... one or the other.

[Lathum]

I'll tell you what, if I'm a wolf I'll NK you early

[hoopsguy]

Fixed that for ya.

Please, I don't get lynched :devil:
Let alone Day 0.

[Coffee Warlord]

Of course, just watch. Every possible combination that will PREVENT a bloodbath will occur now.

Of course, on the flipside, if a 100% perfect storm hit, the game would be over night 1. :)

[ntndeacon]

Flames! On the Side of my face!!!

[ntndeacon]

in

[DQ_BOY1000]

I am in!

[Coffee Warlord]

Wow, a FOFC virgin.

[britrock88]

Aah, you actually signed up under that name! I owe you a Blizzard.

[fontisian]

I'm in.

[Coffee Warlord]

Whee, I need to make more roles.

[JAG]

Of course, just watch. Every possible combination that will PREVENT a bloodbath will occur now.

Of course, on the flipside, if a 100% perfect storm hit, the game would be over night 1. :)

I better work on finishing my game this weekend just in case.

[Coffee Warlord]

The odds of every single player taking exactly every action and targeting the exact right person ... yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. Though yes, you should do some work, because this COULD be a very fast game.

[Danny]

Everyone should target hoopsguy, that way we know at least one of ours will work.

[DaddyTorgo]

Everyone should target hoopsguy, that way we know at least one of ours will work.

:lol:

[DaddyTorgo]

HOOPS!?!?!?

AND LATHUM!?!??!

Holy Crap...WW lives!!

Now if we could just lure Barkeep back to the board...

[Autumn]

Aah, you actually signed up under that name! I owe you a Blizzard.

Brit's stacking the signup roster with his imaginary friends.

[DaddyTorgo]

Brit's stacking the signup roster with his imaginary friends.

Ohhh boy.

[britrock88]

Brit's stacking the signup roster with his imaginary friends.

:lol:

[hoopsguy]

Everyone should target hoopsguy, that way we know at least one of ours will work.

Warning, about to go serious old-school FOFC werewolf ...

Funny you should mention that in a game where Coffee Warlord is the moderator. If you go back to one of the really early games, X-Com (my first "full" game, as I was a mid-game fill-in prior to this), I think it was Night 1 of that game where EVERYONE ended up targeting him.

[Coffee Warlord]

Grrrrrrrr. That fucking game.

[DaddyTorgo]

We need another fucking X-Men game, k thnx?

Get on it hoopsy! I'll even help you run it.

[Danny]

Hoops, did you know that you are the all time leader in WW posts at a little over 14,000. I it looks like I am third at 11,111. Lathum looks to be second at 11,419.

[Danny]

Thats scary since I started playing well after Hoops and Lathum

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, did you know that you are the all time leader in WW posts at a little over 14,000. I it looks like I am third at 11,111. Lathum looks to be second at 11,419.

You'll catch Lathum by end of next game :)

If you take out Dungeon posts I'm sure my lead is even bigger. I sat the first one out, not knowing it was a two month odyssey. And no one could compete with your volume on the 2nd game, even if they wanted to (and Crimson did want to ...)

[hoopsguy]

Grrrrrrrr. That fucking game.

Was perhaps my biggest "would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those stinking kids" moments. Swaggs got me with a duke late after some very heavy lifting to move votes during the day.

[hoopsguy]

We need another fucking X-Men game, k thnx?

Get on it hoopsy! I'll even help you run it.

Best chance of it happening is me getting laid up with some kind of injury or something causing me to miss 2+ weeks of work. My jobs these days don't allow nearly the time required to run complex games like that.

Would love to do it, and if it happens I'll take you up on co-mod.
Or help you put rules together to run your own, if that would be of interest. Just let me know.

[Lathum]

I typically say out the big complex games that likely cost me a lot of posts.

[Lathum]

Dola

It's crazy to think back on the amount of time spent on IM with hoops and BK discussing games.

[Coffee Warlord]

I typically exact my vengeance upon certain people when I run games. :)

[Lathum]

quickly looks back to see if he's ever wronged CW in a game

[Coffee Warlord]

I typically invent reasons to exact my vengeance whether or not it's exactly warranted. :)

[Danny]

You'll catch Lathum by end of next game :)

If you take out Dungeon posts I'm sure my lead is even bigger. I sat the first one out, not knowing it was a two month odyssey. And no one could compete with your volume on the 2nd game, even if they wanted to (and Crimson did want to ...)

lol, I need a Dungeon 3 to help me catch you :D

[Chubby]

if there's room sure why not, i like non-standard games

[hoopsguy]

I typically invent reasons to exact my vengeance whether or not it's exactly warranted. :)

Remember that one time that britrock looked at you funny? Yeah, I couldn't believe he pulled that either.

[Danny]

Coffee, Zinto just sent me a PM talking about how you need to take a shower.

[Danny]

And something about your most recent haircut, said you look like a love child of Adam Lambert and Fred Savage

[hoopsguy]

Signup sheet. I cannot run this with any less than 13. More is better.

1) Autumn
2) bulletsponge
3) mauchow
4) Zinto
5) JAG
6) Chief Rum
7) PackerFanatic
8) saldana
9) Lathum
10) DaddyTorgo
11) britrock88
12) Danny
13) murrayyyyy
14) KatyLied
15) path12
16) hoopsguy - lynched, stabbed, beheaded, drawn, quartered, served as the blue plate special, day -3
17) ntndeacon
18) DQ_BOY1000
19) fontisian
20)
21)

I typically exact my vengeance upon certain people when I run games. :)

Hooray, I made it to Day 3!
Or did I actually bite it Night 0 like Autumn suggested, and it took three days to prepare the blue plate special serving?

[Danny]

Hoops, that says -3, that means you died today since the game starts on Monday.

[Coffee Warlord]

Danny wins!

Hoops has died before the game actually started.

And I'm introducing a new gameplay feature. The GM gets to kill x amount of people as a night action, where x is equal to the number of players.

[hoopsguy]

You ARE playing, right hoops? RIGHT?

RIGHT?!?!


16) hoopsguy - lynched, stabbed, beheaded, drawn, quartered, served as the blue plate special, day -3


It is a good thing you have your numbers already, if you are going to ask people to play and then lynch/stab/behead/etc them before the game starts :rant:

:popcorn:

[bulletsponge]

if there's room sure why not, i like non-standard games

well well, ill just sharpen this butcher knife and hold onto it until the light go out.

[britrock88]

Remember that one time that britrock looked at you funny? Yeah, I couldn't believe he pulled that either.

Now, I may have hit my head and not remember this right, but I seem to remember that me, you, and CW were at a bar in Chicago... then things go fuzzy... until we're at an apartment, CW's passed out, and you're bragging about stealing his priceless card collection. You wouldn't want me to tell CW about that, would you?

[bulletsponge]

Now, I may have hit my head and not remember this right, but I seem to remember that me, you, and CW were at a bar in Chicago... then things go fuzzy... until we're at an apartment, CW's passed out, and you're bragging about stealing his priceless card collection. You wouldn't want me to tell CW about that, would you?

his Magic the Gathering collection or Pokemon?

[DQ_BOY1000]

Heath and Butterfinger please!

After lunch on Monday if I make it back to work... Otherwise Tuesday!

*come on snow close the interstate*

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, I can't figure out how you guys are getting the post totals by forum.

BTW, happy birthday, hoopsguy!

[ntndeacon]

I can figure one way, Chief. However that entails checking every Threadand keeping track of everyone's totals. :)

[mauchow]

20?

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, I can't figure out how you guys are getting the post totals by forum.

BTW, happy birthday, hoopsguy!

Thanks! Glad that is happening before the game starts ... eliminates yet another excuse to whack me so I can "spend more time with my family" or something like that.

This one actually happened to me in werewolf :mad:

[Lathum]

haha,Happy BDay hoops.

I remember that game, good stuff. Lol

[hoopsguy]

Took awhile to find it - six years ago.

The Big City Herald
Edition 20

Judge shot down

In a sign that the violence in the Big City was only increasing, today during the middle of the late afternoon, the Honorable Hoopsguy was shot down on the stairs of the courthouse. Hoopsguy was rushed to the hospital in critical condition where he ended up dying before doctors could save his life. This tragedy leaves once again the Big City Bench unmanned. A local police detective who investigated the scene informed us that they were able to find some ballistics traces and are working on leads currently.

Lynch mob e-thugin yo

The apparent death of Hoopsguy was enough to rile up the lynch mob again for the fourth straight day. Their target today was Marathoner, the self-professed attacker of Hoopsguy from just the day before. Even though he went down denying anything to do with today's shooting, the people got some little bit of revenge out of their system.

New Job posting

Wanted: Physical individual who is both strong and hard working. Requires willingness to work long hours, often times in dirty environments. Pay might be lousy, but rewards might not be. If interested, please send message to underground messageboard user #34

(gm note: to apply, in your role description it must state you can change jobs)

Children's day at the Big City park

Today was marked as Children's day at the big city park as families of all ages made their way out for the events. At different stages were various activities such as kite flying, sack races and the always favorite dunking booth. Apparently, the day was a hit with both parents and kids.


****then I get the head of lynch mob role 2 days in a row and plan out my strategy...protect CR and also try and recuit him...I'm in a win/win either way...he says no and he's saved from a lynch people will go after him tomorrow...he says yes and I vote him and he turns up mafia I still get another day....next day I get the lynch mob again and put it on Blade and make my last effort to get at least one more mafia member to help me...everyone pretty much trusts him at this point so it was a last ditch effort...he refuses and now he's also safe from lynch...oops!!!....it was a hell of a ride that is for sure....soooo

sorry Hoops for killing you on your B-day
sorry Narc for killing you with one vote
sorry bsak for killing you with a misplaced vote
sorry everyone else....it was a hell of a game Alan my thoughts will follow shortly.

That was a fun game, didn't read the whole thing all over again but probably will some day when I've got a couple of hours to kill. Would love to pull a few of those folks back into the WW forum sometime ...

[Lathum]

That was a fun game.

[Danny]

Hmm, I can't figure out how you guys are getting the post totals by forum.

BTW, happy birthday, hoopsguy!

Advanced search, find posts by user in werewolf forums, then check different users. I search all the people I figured migjt have a lot of posts

[Danny]

Happy bday hoopsy!

[murrayyyyy]

vote birthday's

[path12]

Advanced search, find posts by user in werewolf forums, then check different users. I search all the people I figured migjt have a lot of posts

6,652. I've wasted a lot of time.

[Autumn]

9,384 for me in six years. Not bad considering I took a long break in there at some point.

[JAG]

Happy birthday hoops. Fortunately the game hasn't started so you get out of the traditional birthday lynch.

I pulled up my posts and got 3808 in 4 years of playing. I might measure up better if we went by total characters in all posts (though that's a bit more post analysis than even I'm willing to do).

[hoopsguy]

JAG, good to see that you continue to embrace your inner "Honky Tonk Man"

[Coffee Warlord]

Roles will go out some time tomorrow. Signups still open till tomorrow morning.

[bhlloy]

Ill play. This sounds interesting

[Autumn]

CW's going to have to run two games.

[hoopsguy]

Roles will go out some time tomorrow. Signups still open till tomorrow morning.

Ill play. This sounds interesting

Please update the player post to add bhlloy and remove the description of me dying in very bloody fashion on day -3 :hand:

[bulletsponge]

Please update the player post to add bhlloy and remove the description of me dying in very bloody fashion on day -3 :hand:

why? you dont think you will live that long? http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/fighting/strangling.gif (http://www.sherv.net/choking-emoticon-587.html)

[Darth Vilus]

I'll play if theres still room

[hoopsguy]

why? you dont think you will live that long? http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/fighting/strangling.gif (http://www.sherv.net/choking-emoticon-587.html)

I did literally LOL.

[Coffee Warlord]

Jesus. Hookay, a little last second reworking of a few roles, and I gotta go find one more Clue role, but we're closing signups.

I was not exactly expecting 22 people. :)

[Autumn]

This should be crazy. Awesome. Glad to see we're active again. Everybody bust out your big games, quick!

[Coffee Warlord]

Roles have been assigned. PMs will go out sometime this morning.

[Coffee Warlord]

All role PMs have gone out.

[Danny]

So are we good to begin talking about lynching Hoops now?

[Coffee Warlord]

The following people have NOT arrived at the mansion yet, as of Day 1. They cannot be lynched yet, but they can vote and talk. They also cannot be targeted for night actions until I announce they have arrived.

- KatyLied
- Darth Vilus
- hoopsguy
- bhlloy
- mauchow
- DaddyTorgo
- Autumn
- Saldana
- Danny

[britrock88]

S'pose not, Danny. :(

[Coffee Warlord]

So are we good to begin talking about lynching Hoops now?

'Cept you can't lynch him today, since he's clearly scared and not coming to the house yet. :)

But...

All roles and addendums have gone out. I'm sure there will be questions, but...a very long Day 1 has begun. Day 1 deadilne will be tomorrow 8pm CST.

Also note. 8:00pm CST votes do NOT count. 7:59 is the last minute to where votes will be counted.

[DQ_BOY1000]

Time to open Excel and start plotting mass destruction. There is no way I can keep track of 22 people without a little help!

[JAG]

22 people is pretty awesome. Or 23 I suppose...

23) hoopsguy's evil twin - incinerated by combustable yak piss, day 0

[Danny]

Well at least I can't be voted either. I could vote autumn for whacking me last game

[bulletsponge]

got my role :)

so whens the first vote due? tomorow night or tonight?

[bulletsponge]

kk saw the title, tomorow night

[Coffee Warlord]

Tomorrow. I'm just busy most of this afternoon, and figured I'd get the roles out this morning - especially since I knew there are several that people would need clarification on.

[Autumn]

Well at least I can't be voted either. I could vote autumn for whacking me last game

Except you can't vote me either.

:D

[Coffee Warlord]

Clarification, since it's been asked in various ways.

The people who have NOT arrived at the house (the list above)...

- May NOT be lynched.
- May NOT be targeted for night actions.
- May NOT use their night actions.
- MAY talk.
- MAY vote.

I will announce who arrives as the game progresses. It'll go fast.

[Autumn]

I don't like to show up with the crowd. I thought I'd make a grand entrance, but I guess there's a lot of showoffs in this crowd.

[PackerFanatic]

22 people? Holy crap.

This ought to be fun!

[JAG]

Vote britrock88

You lucked out Autumn.

[PackerFanatic]

CW: is it a correct assumption that the Other Extras cannot be converted to murderers? That's not to say they couldn't start that way - but the are lumped in with the Extras group in that they cannot be converted, correct?

[PackerFanatic]

Vote britrock88

You lucked out Autumn.

I was looking forward to voting for Autumn right away too...:)

[Coffee Warlord]

I was gonna leave this intentionally vague, but after too many people asked...

Just because the public rules say someone cannot become a murderer does not mean they are good guys.

[Autumn]

lol, thanks guys. Meanies.

[Danny]

It only says they can't be lynched not that we can't vote them!

vote hoops

[Coffee Warlord]

I hate you so much right now. :)

[britrock88]

Vote britrock88

You lucked out Autumn.

Did I flip you off last time I drove through the Twin Cities or something? ;)

[britrock88]

FTR, the list of arrivals that can be voted:

britrock88
bulletsponge
Chief Rum
Chubby
DQ_BOY1000
fontisian
JAG
Lathum
murrayyyyy
ntndeacon
PackerFanatic
path12
Zinto

[mauchow]

*leaves message on voice mail*

Hello everyone! I'm on my way to the house. I'll be there as soon as I can, I'm waiting for the tow truck, my car took a shit on the highway. Anyway, don't drink all the booze before I show up.

vote Zinto

[Chief Rum]

Question for CW:

When you say "can become murderers" in the role descriptions, are you saying those roles can be converted into murderers? Or is this just a way to say "your wolves will be from these roles, but not these other roles?

Do we start with any murderers at all? Or do the murderers simply come about through game circumstance and mechanics?

[Danny]

muurder you say

[Chubby]

well this game should be interesting with all the people in it!

[Chief Rum]

Checking out the available roles, clearly everyone has a role, and every role is represented.

There are 13 roles to start the game and we have 13 players in the house. There are nine extra roles on the way here, and we have nine players for these roles.

So there aren't hidden roles or truly vanilla villagers.

[Chief Rum]

The rules state that the Extra Roles are publically known. Does that mean that as each of them arrive, they will be announced, both as player and as the role they play?

For instance, CW says "hoopsguy has arrived. He is Miss Peach."

Or is the publically known reference in the rules only stating that we know those roles are out there?

[Coffee Warlord]

Busy for awhile. Good questions, will field this evening.

[Chubby]

The rules state that the Extra Roles are publically known. Does that mean that as each of them arrive, they will be announced, both as player and as the role they play?

For instance, CW says "hoopsguy has arrived. He is Miss Peach."

Or is the publically known reference in the rules only stating that we know those roles are out there?

I'd be surprised if it was the former.

[Coffee Warlord]

Question for CW:

When you say "can become murderers" in the role descriptions, are you saying those roles can be converted into murderers? Or is this just a way to say "your wolves will be from these roles, but not these other roles?

Do we start with any murderers at all? Or do the murderers simply come about through game circumstance and mechanics?

I am not saying the wolves will be from those characters. I am saying those characters have the potential to become so.

To answer a later question, you will NOT find out who is who when they arrive at the mansion. You merely know a block of people who have not arrived yet, and I will tell you who (person, not who their role is) arrives.

[ntndeacon]

Yea Murrayyyyyyy played too goodddd a game last time.

Vote Murrayyyyyyyyyy

[murrayyyyy]

Yea Murrayyyyyyy played too goodddd a game last time.

Vote Murrayyyyyyyyyy

This game is nothing like the last game. I can't figure out if this is more role play or throwing darts at a board. So far it seems like I should be looking for darts.

[britrock88]

Well, we're on a new page. I'll get a tally up...

after I get in a reactive vote.

Vote JAG

[britrock88]

1 britrock - JAG (132)
1 hoopsguy - Danny (137)
1 Zinto - mauchow (141)
1 murrayyyyy - ntndeacon (150)
1 JAG - britrock (152)

[Danny]

unvote hoops

[murrayyyyy]

I was told to present a menu for your characters at night… or else. I don’t feel like finding out what “else” means.

So here is what you can have for a late night snack tomorrow night.

Feel free to order at anytime. I fear that if no one orders anything he will not be pleased and I might find out what he meant way too soon.

1) 西米露
2) 豆腐花
3) 龜苓膏
4) 椰汁糕
5) 紅豆沙
6) 魚翅湯
7) 燕窩

[bulletsponge]

are you the cook? hmm better not kill you, who will make me a sandwich then?

[britrock88]

S'pose I'll have to try this bird nest's soup, eh?

[murrayyyyy]

Okay. I got another message rather quickly that says comedian is not a role in this game. I would like to apologize to everyone here. I didn’t look at the other side of the menu which was in English.

I consider myself lucky not to have died for the latest mistake and beg for your forgiveness. (why are people so mean in this game?)

1) Sai mai lo
2) Dau fu fa
3) Guilinggao
4) Coconut bar
5) Red bean soup
6) Shark fin soup
7) Bird's nest soup

[DaddyTorgo]

Checking in.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, thanks for your response, CW. To be honest, though, I'm not sure they answered the real questions I have. So I'll be straight forward: Are there currently murderers (wolves) in the game right now?

And if yes, did all roles have a chance at being one of those starting murderers? Did all have the same chance at the start to be murderers? Or are there roles who, we can be certain, are not murderers and can never be murderers?

This is an important clarification because we need to know if it's even.possible to build a circle of trust.

[Coffee Warlord]

Okay, thanks for your response, CW. To be honest, though, I'm not sure they answered the real questions I have. So I'll be straight forward: Are there currently murderers (wolves) in the game right now?

Yes.

And if yes, did all roles have a chance at being one of those starting murderers?

No comment.

Or are there roles who, we can be certain, are not murderers and can never be murderers?

As per the rules, any of the Big Six may become murderers. I cannot comment past that for this part.

[Coffee Warlord]

I WILL say there's a reason I have to leave that intentionally vague beyond me being a dick. ;)

[DQ_BOY1000]

1) Sai mai lo
2) Dau fu fa
3) Guilinggao
4) Coconut bar
5) Red bean soup
6) Shark fin soup
7) Bird's nest soup

6 Please. When will dinner be ready, I am hungry!

[PackerFanatic]

I will take number 1. :)

[hoopsguy]

Signup sheet. I cannot run this with any less than 13. More is better.

23) hoopsguy's evil twin - incinerated by combustable yak piss, day 0

I think this is the guy who seems to have riled up so many of you. Good thing the yak got him already.

So, for Day 1 - and until I have a reason to vary from that approach - I plan to vote for one of the "non extra roles" since the murderers will fall within that group. Willing to be talked into looking elsewhere on D2 when that option becomes available, but at first glance it seems like whittling away a group that contains potential murderers seems like the best starting strategy.

[Danny]

Hoops maybe I am confused but how exactly do you know f you are voting for extra or non extra role?

[bhlloy]

A very very good question Danny, I can't see any way we know that.

From CW's latest answers I can logically assume we have at least 2 murderers currently in the house, as I don't think he'd go to all that trouble creating a ruleset and then run the risk of the the game being over with a lucky guess on day 1. So let's assume 2 of the big 6 are currently murderers, with more potentially coming into the house on day 2. Does that sound right?

[bhlloy]

Or are there roles who, we can be certain, are not murderers and can never be murderers?


Isn't this clear from the writeups on page 1? The informants and the extras cannot become murderers. Or have I missed something since then?

[Danny]

I think that sounds about right, but at this point with so much hidden info I don't think we can make too many assumptions

[Danny]

Hoops this is for you!

vote miss scarlet

[Chief Rum]

Hoops maybe I am confused but how exactly do you know f you are voting for extra or non extra role?

We have been told 13 players are in the house, and 9 players are not in the house. The rules say that the Extra Roles are outside of the house and will arrive by Day Three. Everyone else is already in the house. 9 players listed by CW as outside of the house exactly matches the number of Extra Roles we have.

It seems pretty clear to me (and hoops apparently) that the 9 players shown as not currently in the house are the 9 Extra Roles that have not arrived yet.

So by process of elimination, those of us who are already in the house are not Extra Roles, but one of the other roles.

[Chief Rum]

I think this is the guy who seems to have riled up so many of you. Good thing the yak got him already.

So, for Day 1 - and until I have a reason to vary from that approach - I plan to vote for one of the "non extra roles" since the murderers will fall within that group. Willing to be talked into looking elsewhere on D2 when that option becomes available, but at first glance it seems like whittling away a group that contains potential murderers seems like the best starting strategy.

The Extra Roles can be murderers, too.

[Chief Rum]

Isn't this clear from the writeups on page 1? The informants and the extras cannot become murderers. Or have I missed something since then?

No, IMO, it's not clear. The way CW wrote it, he is stating certain roles can or cannot "become murderers". This wording tells me they don't necessarily start as murderers but they may or may not be converted to murderers at some point.

What he doesn't say, anywhere in the ruleset, that I could find, is whether we start with murderers. Nothing he says states that any roles can't start as murderers. For instance, maybe the Motorist or the Singing Telegram Girl can't "become murderers" (can't be converted). But it doesn't say they can't start as murderers.

That was what I was trying to get clarity on, whether we have roles we can definitively say are not murderers. Unfortunately, CW gave us no guidance there, so it's going to be pretty hard to establish a COT within the known ruleset.

I certainly hope that the various abilities that are supposed to be out there includes some ways to establish a COT.

[DQ_BOY1000]

The Big Six
The Big Six, as noted above, are all fully capable of becoming a murderer at some point in the game.


6 potential murders...


The Informants
While the informants cannot become a murderer, they stand a better than average chance of being murdered themselves.


Not all of these will be murders... maybe 3 or 4? That sounds like "better than average" to me.


The Extras
The Extras also cannot become murderers, but they do have special abilities. Mr Boddy and Wadsworth are guaranteed to be in the game.


Wouldn't surprise me if one of these is a murder...


The Other Extras
These are publicly known characters at the onset of the game. Whether or not they are a murderer is, however, not known. What powers they have is also not known. HOWEVER. The Other Extras are running late, and don't arrive to the mansion with the rest of the guests. They will arrive at an unknown day (no later than day 3, most likely earlier). They can take no actions, be targeted for night actions, or be lynched until they have arrived at the house. They CAN take part in any discussions, however, and they CAN vote.


All of them could be murders...

So i count that only 3 can not potentially become/are already murders...

1) Mr. Body or Wadworth
2) 2 of the informants

Everyone else could be.

[britrock88]

There is at least one murderer at the start of the game.

Any one of the Big Six may also become a murderer during the course of the game, if certain conditions are met.


I read these two statements to mean that the initial murderer(s) can come from any class of people, but that in the course of the game, only Big Six roles can become murderers.

[Danny]

We have been told 13 players are in the house, and 9 players are not in the house. The rules say that the Extra Roles are outside of the house and will arrive by Day Three. Everyone else is already in the house. 9 players listed by CW as outside of the house exactly matches the number of Extra Roles we have.

It seems pretty clear to me (and hoops apparently) that the 9 players shown as not currently in the house are the 9 Extra Roles that have not arrived yet.

So by process of elimination, those of us who are already in the house are not Extra Roles, but one of the other roles.

Ah, I see, but we can only vote for one of the 13 now anyway.

[Danny]

Here is list of 9 roles not at the house yet

Miss Peach
The very picture of beauty, this innocent flower seems entirely out of place amongst such sordid fellows.

Monsieur Brunette
A hideously wealthy and hideously ruthless arms dealer, the frenchman is a master of disguise and intrigue.

Madame Rose
Word is the Madame is more than the fraudulent fortune teller many claim her to be. What she's actually doing here is a different matter entirely.

Sergeant Grey
Another corrupt cop...is there any other kind? However, the timing of his visit to the manor house leads to many questions as to who he's working for.

The Chief
The local chief of police is, amazingly, the only honest cop around.

Lady Lavender
Lady Lavender is and old bitter widow. She's seen it all, done them all, and lived to tell the tale.

Prince Azure
A disgraced Prussian nobleman, the Prince has worked in the underworld for years. He is a leading figure in the criminal world...what's he doing here?

Rusty Naylor
The groundskeeper at the mansion, this old man has seen far too much, and just wants to retire to the country. He's been tending to this house for decades, and knows it inside and out.

Mr Meadow-Brook
Mr Boddy's attorney. He's been known to represent some of the foulest people on earth, and has always gotten an acquittal.

[Danny]

Oh and how could Chief not be THE CHIEF

[DaddyTorgo]

Are we revealing which characters we are?

[path12]

Are we revealing which characters we are?

I don't think I am until I get a better handle on the ruleset. If people can become murderers there has to be a trigger for that and as such it seems dangerous to know exactly who is who just yet.

Freely admit though that I'm just checking in and haven't gone over the rules in detail yet so there may be a reason I'm not aware of.

[Danny]

I am Harry Potter

[Zinto]

6 potential murders...



Not all of these will be murders... maybe 3 or 4? That sounds like "better than average" to me.



Wouldn't surprise me if one of these is a murder...



All of them could be murders...

So i count that only 3 can not potentially become/are already murders...

1) Mr. Body or Wadworth
2) 2 of the informants

Everyone else could be.

I read this as they can't be murderers but can be murdered. Unless I don't understand what you are saying.

[Zinto]

It is spring break and I can actually post a bunch for once instead of getting lynched for being too quiet. Hooray.

[bhlloy]

6 potential murders...

Wouldn't surprise me if one of these is a murder...



All of them could be murders...



Murdered, not murderers. The two things are not the same.

I have a different take on it than CR, I think it's unlikely that CW would spell out they can't become murderers unless they were also immune from being murderers at the beginning of the game, but I will keep an open mind on this. Definitely open to interpretation.

[bhlloy]

I read this as they can't be murderers but can be murdered. Unless I don't understand what you are saying.

I agree with this. This concludes the first ever incidence of me agreeing with Zinto in a WW game.

[bhlloy]

Weird, I seem to have lost a post or have gone crazy and didn't hit reply. Anyway, I agree with path. I think it's very dangerous to reveal roles in this kind of a game. The writeups pretty strongly suggest that the big six are looking for the informants, and to just come out and say exactly who is who doesn't seem to make any sense to me.

[Danny]

Too late, voldemort already knows who he needs to defeat now. We might be doomed

[JAG]

No, IMO, it's not clear. The way CW wrote it, he is stating certain roles can or cannot "become murderers". This wording tells me they don't necessarily start as murderers but they may or may not be converted to murderers at some point.

What he doesn't say, anywhere in the ruleset, that I could find, is whether we start with murderers. Nothing he says states that any roles can't start as murderers. For instance, maybe the Motorist or the Singing Telegram Girl can't "become murderers" (can't be converted). But it doesn't say they can't start as murderers.

That was what I was trying to get clarity on, whether we have roles we can definitively say are not murderers. Unfortunately, CW gave us no guidance there, so it's going to be pretty hard to establish a COT within the known ruleset.

I certainly hope that the various abilities that are supposed to be out there includes some ways to establish a COT.

Pretty good point there. I read the rules as 'cannot become murderers' to mean 'are not murderers so they're ok', but CW is being coy about who the initial murderers are (other than to say there are some in the game now), so I'm withholding judgment on that now.

Kind of a stupid question, but for anyone that remembers it, does the movie give us any idea of what roles we might be able to trust? I don't recall that much of it other than there were multiple endings.

[Lathum]

I think the whole jist of the movie was you cant trust anyone.

Also, I'll likely be on the quiet side today, Mondays are my busy day at work and my In Laws are visiting so I may not be around at deadline.

[Coffee Warlord]

Mrs Peacock was a man!??!?

[Coffee Warlord]

1 - britrock
1 - Zinto
1 - murrayyyy
1 - JAG

[Coffee Warlord]

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsB/2019-3586.gif

[DaddyTorgo]

I haven't arrived at the house yet, so I'm immune to the murders attempts at a nightkill until I do.

Also immune to a lynch vote. Kinda cool!

[PackerFanatic]

Rather than spread the vote out, I figure I might as well pile on...which will probably come back to bite me. But alas - no guts no glory!

VOTE BRITROCK88

[Chubby]

At work during the day, ill try and keep up so I don't have 50 pages to read later but I will hold off on a vote until I get home this afternoon

[DQ_BOY1000]

I read this as they can't be murderers but can be murdered. Unless I don't understand what you are saying.

Sorry for the confusion. I was in a rush.

I meant that all those could be murderers. I will do a more thorough job of proof reading so as to not be miss misunderstood.


However I agree with brittrock...


I read these two statements to mean that the initial murderer(s) can come from any class of people, but that in the course of the game, only Big Six roles can become murderers.

Have we come to any conclusion on who can and who cannot be a murderer at the beginning of the game and who can become one later?

[PackerFanatic]

At work during the day, ill try and keep up so I don't have 50 pages to read later but I will hold off on a vote until I get home this afternoon

That's always my downfall...I am so good checking during the day, but everyone always posts at night. Then I come in the next day and have so much to catch up on, hah.

[Coffee Warlord]

Minor rule update - I've changed my mind, you will receive a rough overview of a character's powers when they die.

[DQ_BOY1000]

Crap... I forgot to edit who posted that comment... it was Britt not Zinto.

[hoopsguy]

We have been told 13 players are in the house, and 9 players are not in the house. The rules say that the Extra Roles are outside of the house and will arrive by Day Three. Everyone else is already in the house. 9 players listed by CW as outside of the house exactly matches the number of Extra Roles we have.

It seems pretty clear to me (and hoops apparently) that the 9 players shown as not currently in the house are the 9 Extra Roles that have not arrived yet.

So by process of elimination, those of us who are already in the house are not Extra Roles, but one of the other roles.

Yep, this was my thought.
Here is the scene from the rules:
The Other Extras
These are publicly known characters at the onset of the game. Whether or not they are a murderer is, however, not known. What powers they have is also not known. HOWEVER. The Other Extras are running late, and don't arrive to the mansion with the rest of the guests. They will arrive at an unknown day (no later than day 3, most likely earlier). They can take no actions, be targeted for night actions, or be lynched until they have arrived at the house. They CAN take part in any discussions, however, and they CAN vote.


Dissect that info as you wish, but other content suggested that the core characters are likely to be murderers. We have people showing up late - those are, at least in my mind, "other extras" and should be weighted at least a little bit differently at this point in time.

[hoopsguy]

Amend slightly - core characters seem to have a higher likelihood of either starting murderer or becoming murderer. While other classes are less likely to start or become murderers, depending on classification.

Bottom line - there will, at least in my mind, be some level of weighting that goes on as part of the lynching process once a reveal is made. Not just by "what can you do" and "who can vouch for you" but also "how likely is it you are going to be my enemy later in this game".

[Coffee Warlord]

2 - britrock
1 - Zinto
1 - murrayyyy
1 - JAG

[bulletsponge]

well it worked last game, so might as well try it this game too

Vote britrock

[Lathum]

Vote Murrayyyy

may as well get a vote out there. HE played a dangerous game as a wolf last time out. This is a respect vote.

[Chief Rum]

Vote Murrayyyy

may as well get a vote out there. HE played a dangerous game as a wolf last time out. This is a respect vote.

That's murrayyyyy. Five 'y's. I should know. I typed it many, many times last game. :D

[Chief Rum]

well it worked last game, so might as well try it this game too

Vote britrock

I realize it's Day One and likely no one knows anything. But you just put a third vote on britrock before anyone else even got a second.

You have anything better on him than it worked last game? ;)

Brit has been a wolf two games running, too. Not that that affects his chances of being a wolf this time (it doesn't), but it would be an odd coincidence to see him be a wolf three games in a row.

[murrayyyyy]

Vote Murrayyyy

may as well get a vote out there. HE played a dangerous game as a wolf last time out. This is a respect vote.

So this is how Butler basketball must feel...

[hoopsguy]

So this is how Butler basketball must feel...

Another half dozen votes today and it is how Butler basketball felt against VCU this past weekend.

[Coffee Warlord]

3 - britrock
1 - Zinto
2 - murrayyyy
1 - JAG

[murrayyyyy]

vote DQ_BOY1000

I had a Blizzard once with brownies in it, hated it...

[murrayyyyy]

Another half dozen votes today and it is how Butler basketball felt against VCU this past weekend.

Damn, well I would have said Gonzaga but they've never made it to the finals before.

Why are two wolves from the last game getting all the votes?

[path12]

Have a big workload today, my weeks are frontloaded. Will check in some but likely not around until later this evening.

My alien base assault was a roaring success in X-Com so I can give my squad a night off for werewolf strategy instead.

[hoopsguy]

Damn, well I would have said Gonzaga but they've never made it to the finals before.

Why are two wolves from the last game getting all the votes?

There is often a little D1 payback for people who were successful wolves in previous games. Maybe a little less so for villagers who lasted until the end, under the "well, they just had a long game so it is more OK for them to have a short one this time" logic.

[Autumn]

There, I gave everybody a nice headstart on post numbers. Now I'm going to read and catch up.

[bulletsponge]

I realize it's Day One and likely no one knows anything. But you just put a third vote on britrock before anyone else even got a second.

You have anything better on him than it worked last game? ;)

Brit has been a wolf two games running, too. Not that that affects his chances of being a wolf this time (it doesn't), but it would be an odd coincidence to see him be a wolf three games in a row.

hmm didnt know Brit was a wolf 2 games running. makes a great wolf disguise

but to make you happy

UNVOTE BRITROck


Vote Chief Rum

happy now?

[bulletsponge]

crap thats wrong

Unvote Britrock

Vote Chief Rum

[bulletsponge]

day 1 is always a crap shoot, your just hoping not to kill someone important

[ntndeacon]

.


The Other Extras
These are publicly known characters at the onset of the game. Whether or not they are a murderer is, however, not known. What powers they have is also not known. HOWEVER. The Other Extras are running late, and don't arrive to the mansion with the rest of the guests. They will arrive at an unknown day (no later than day 3, most likely earlier). They can take no actions, be targeted for night actions, or be lynched until they have arrived at the house. They CAN take part in any discussions, however, and they CAN vote.



sounds like the Other extras can be murderers

[ntndeacon]

day 1 is always a crap shoot, your just hoping not to kill someone important

And staying alive too. getting voted out day 1 sucks. let me tell you!

[PackerFanatic]

They can be murderers to start - but my understanding is they cannot be converted (which I think is the caveat with everyone else). So while we don't know who in that group may have started as one, we do know they can't become one after the fact.

[PackerFanatic]

And I guess when I say "everyone else", I mean just the big 6. I think those are really the only ones we have to worry about with conversions.

[ntndeacon]

right, Just the big 6 can be converted.

[Coffee Warlord]

2 - britrock
2 - murrayyyy
1 - Zinto
1 - JAG
1 - DQ_BOY1000
1 - Chief Rum

[Danny]

Pretty good point there. I read the rules as 'cannot become murderers' to mean 'are not murderers so they're ok', but CW is being coy about who the initial murderers are (other than to say there are some in the game now), so I'm withholding judgment on that now.

Kind of a stupid question, but for anyone that remembers it, does the movie give us any idea of what roles we might be able to trust? I don't recall that much of it other than there were multiple endings.

You can trust me!

[britrock88]

How many of the Big Six are guilty depended on the ending.

[Danny]

Been going back and forth on who to vote for, but I think have decided now

vote hoopsguy

[britrock88]

Okay, I'll shout louder to try to organize us.

I think ANYONE can START the game as a murderer (if I'm wrong, I would think ANYONE BUT THE BIG SIX can start the game as a murderer). As I read the rules, ONLY THE BIG SIX can BECOME a murderer.

We have 22 players, 6 of whom are in the Big Six and therefore convertible. Based on that math, I would guess we're starting with ~4 murderers outside of the Big Six. The Big Six, I would suppose, can become murderers by killing the people against whom they have a vendetta. Assuming Mr. Green is like the others, there's a 6/21 chance of conversion on a given night.

That's all speculation. The most important point is that there ARE murderers out there who may come from ANY group of characters. And the Big Six are special (as the only convertible players). I would also suspect that, as the main protagonists, they might have some of the more powerful roles, as well.

[murrayyyyy]

There is often a little D1 payback for people who were successful wolves in previous games. Maybe a little less so for villagers who lasted until the end, under the "well, they just had a long game so it is more OK for them to have a short one this time" logic.

Well a 13 seed does get lucky every once in a while... (can you tell I'm ready for this month)

[Danny]

unvote hoopsguy

[DQ_BOY1000]

vote DQ_BOY1000

I had a Blizzard once with brownies in it, hated it...

Your problem being that you had brownies in it... Heath and Butterfinger is the way to go!

[DQ_BOY1000]

P.S. vote murrayyyyy

[PackerFanatic]

Okay, Danny is just toying with us now. Some kind of vote/unvote condition? Or just dicking around with Hoops? :)

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I'll shout louder to try to organize us.

I think ANYONE can START the game as a murderer (if I'm wrong, I would think ANYONE BUT THE BIG SIX can start the game as a murderer). As I read the rules, ONLY THE BIG SIX can BECOME a murderer.

We have 22 players, 6 of whom are in the Big Six and therefore convertible. Based on that math, I would guess we're starting with ~4 murderers outside of the Big Six. The Big Six, I would suppose, can become murderers by killing the people against whom they have a vendetta. Assuming Mr. Green is like the others, there's a 6/21 chance of conversion on a given night.

That's all speculation. The most important point is that there ARE murderers out there who may come from ANY group of characters. And the Big Six are special (as the only convertible players). I would also suspect that, as the main protagonists, they might have some of the more powerful roles, as well.

Did you guys here something? ;)

I think a chart works better.

The Big Six

Start as murderers? Unstated
Can become murderers? Yes


Informants

Start as murderers? Unstated
Can become murderers? No


The Extras

Start as murderers? Unstated
Can become murderers? No


Other Extras

Start as murderers? Possibly
Can become murderers? Unstated

[Coffee Warlord]

I think you need a Venn diagram.

[Danny]

Okay, Danny is just toying with us now. Some kind of vote/unvote condition? Or just dicking around with Hoops? :)

I do have a condition that is related to me voting / unvoting, but that is not related to this game.

[Chief Rum]

We have 22 players. Let's say the breakdown of murderers to villagers is similar to other games, we're looking at 5-7 murderers, adjusted somewhat for possible conversions or cultist type roles.

With (41%) of the players comprised of Extra Roles, it seems unlikely that none of the 6 murderers are in that group. It seems likely that two of that group (at least) will be murderers, and a decent chance at three.

But that means it's likely we have 3-4 among the 13 currently in the house.

if we rule out the Informants and Extras as possible murderers, that would mean half to more than half of the Big Six are likely murderers. That seems to be a rather inauspicious grouping of murderers within one group. It would be pretty difficult for a Big Six player to get away with being a murderer, since we would kill any Big Six player we find (just on the odds).

I don't think CW would design his game that way, so that tells me that Informants and Extras can start as murderers as well. Maybe they can't be converted, but they can start there.

All that said, it does seem to be to our advantage to find the Big Six and eliminate them, as that seems to be a village strategy that has better odds of working out for us. Unless all of our best roles are with them (possible).

[Danny]

No chance I am voting Chief, he is putting in some good work so far. I also dont see myself voting Jag and probably not Zinto.

[Danny]

vote chubby

[Chief Rum]

I think it does us a lot of good to always keep these lists in mind:

START THE GAME IN THE HOUSE

bulletsponge
Zinto
JAG
Chief Rum
PackerFanatic
Lathum
britrock88
murrayyyyy
path12
ntndeacon
DQ_BOY1000
fontisian
Chubby

START THE GAME AS EXTRA ROLES/OUT OF HOUSE

KatyLied
Darth Vilus
hoopsguy
bhlloy
mauchow
DaddyTorgo
Autumn
Saldana
Danny

[Danny]

I think the second list is clearly superior

[Coffee Warlord]

Someone pointed out...I was kind of remiss in posting the victory conditions...mainly because they are the standard: Kill all murderers, or get a 1:1 murderer/village ratio.

[Chief Rum]

I think the second list is clearly superior

Yeah, but strength of body odor isn't everything.

[Coffee Warlord]

3 - murrayyyy
2 - britrock
1 - Zinto
1 - JAG
1 - DQ_BOY1000
1 - Chief Rum
1 - Chubby

[Zinto]

Sorry for the confusion. I was in a rush.

I meant that all those could be murderers. I will do a more thorough job of proof reading so as to not be miss misunderstood.


However I agree with brittrock...



Have we come to any conclusion on who can and who cannot be a murderer at the beginning of the game and who can become one later?


You don't have to proof read, I may have been a little intoxicated when I read that, so I wasn't a hundred percent sure I had read your post correctly.

[Autumn]

We know that the Big Six want to kill someone. We also know that they can become murderers. We know that the Informants and Extras cannot become murderers (through ordinary means). Thus it seems likely that the method to become a Murderer has to do with killing one of the other players (duh). Presumably each of the Big Six has the ability to kill one of the informants, and if they do so I would expect they become a Murderer. The Informants and Extras have abilities but do not have the ability to kill, and so cannot become Murderers.

The Other Extras are a wildcard. It seems possible that some of us have the ability to kill and so could become murderers. However the section on Murderers says, and I quote, "Any one of the Big Six may also become a murderer during the course of the game, if certain conditions are met." So this seems to imply that the Other Extras will not, though it may be that this changed as the number of players increased.

My guess is that the initial Killer(s) can come from anywhere. It sounds like the original plan (which was at least 13 players) probably started with one killer. I would expect that we started with 2, or possibly 3, but I would be surprised if it was more than that. If all six of the Big Six got lucky night 1, there could be six kills just there (and six new murderers?). So I don't think we need a lot of killers outside of that.

[Autumn]

oh hell yea! one of my guilty pleasure movies. and after having fun in the last WW game im up for this



Bulletsponge shags Ms Scarlett in the study

I predict that this post will become very awkward within the next few days.

[Autumn]

I agree with I think it was Hoopsguy's assessment that knocking off hte Big Six is our best strategy to start. Each of these has a chance to become a murderer, or at the very least the likelihood of killing another player (who will likely be a villager). If we could get rid of them we'd be providing safety for six other players, and removing possible future Murderers. The chance of catching the Killer(s) at this point is remote since they could even be out of the house. So the Big Six it is, for me.

[Autumn]

I will vote Chubby, simply because he has a vote and would not get thrown out of the ring on the first try in the last game.

<b>VOTE CHUBBY</b>

[Zinto]

Chief's and Brit's idea that anybody can start a murderer makes sense to me. Along with their conversion theory about who can be converted. We can try for the big six because if they are all already here then we have a little less then a 50% chance to hit one today.

[Autumn]

I do have a condition that is related to me voting / unvoting, but that is not related to this game.

Don't ever ask Danny about his conditions.