WW CLVI - Clue: Master Detective - GAME OVER! MURDERERS WIN! (Post 1817)

[Danny]

I am in favor of weekend play since I have more availability then

[Danny]

Rereading this, I think the smart play is to vote Katy and test out his / her reveal. I also dont get a real wolfy vibe from Mau at this point.

[Danny]

But I will say, I dont specifically feel strong about either candidate being a wolf. I also dont feel strongly about anyone else being a wolf at this point. I am actually a little surprised we didnt win this with last nights result.

[Danny]

I do think we need to kill Coffee, so I am can take back the post lead for the game

[Danny]

vote katylied

[Danny]

Since it is Friday, I expect it will be pretty dead tonight, so this vote probably determines the lynch.

[Coffee Warlord]

5 - Katy (mau 1649, PF 1653, Lathum 1672, DQ 1685, Danny 1755)
3 - Mau (bhlloy 1658, saldana 1662, Katy 1730)

[Coffee Warlord]

I do think we need to kill Coffee, so I am can take back the post lead for the game

Oh it's on now.

[Coffee Warlord]

We will tentatively run Saturday. If participation is light, we'll extend deadline. Currently, the plan is to run the weekend.

[mauchow]

Not that anybody would stick their necks out to create a tie but if sal or bh could switch ovee....

And danny if you like someone of the latecomers slightly more who would u go? You or bhlloy or sal? :)

[Danny]

Not that anybody would stick their necks out to create a tie but if sal or bh could switch ovee....

And danny if you like someone of the latecomers slightly more who would u go? You or bhlloy or sal? :)

I can definitely say I would not vote myself. From a gut standpoint, bhlloy has pinged me the most. But he also has one of the better voting records I think (though I havent check real closely today).

I think we are in pretty good shape overall, so Its probably worth testing out katylied's reveal.

[Danny]

And by pretty good shape, I mean, I think we are likely down to our last murderer.

[Danny]

I also think trying to create a last hour switch on a Friday is a bad idea. We usually have very little activity during this time

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE MAUCHOW

[hoopsguy]

I do think we need to kill Coffee, so I am can take back the post lead for the game

Drat, I had a good groove going early. Stupid murderers (shakes fist)

[Danny]

Is there a daily recap of the all the votes anywhere (for all days)?

[mauchow]

Meh

[mauchow]

Danny I think on thw prior page I had a string of posts showing the totals. Or the page before

[Danny]

Reference

This is day 1 in which we had all villagers in the running. Typically this means player who stuck with an early vote are more likely to be wolves and those who jump around villagers

[Danny]

time post # voter votee # votes
10:48 132 JAG brit 1
11:26 137 Danny hoops -
13:56 141 mau Zinto 1
18:24 150 ntn murray 1
18:52 152 brit JAG 1
19:29 154 Danny x hoops -
08:58 194 PF brit 2
10:12 203 bullet brit 3
10:13 204 Lathum murray 2
10:51 210 murray DQ 1
11:16 216 bullet x brit 2
CR 1
12:08 226 Danny hoops -
12:34 229 Danny x hoops -
12:35 231 DQ_BOY murray 3
12:50 238 Danny Chubby 1
13:26 248 Autumn Chubby 2
13:36 251 murray x DQ 0
Chubby 3
14:28 272 sal Autumn -
14:36 276 hoops path 1
14:40 278 path brit 3
14:48 281 sal xAutumn -
15:33 291 Chubby murray 4
15:34 292 DV brit 4
15:51 304 sal JAG 2
16:26 317 CR JAG 3
16:50 332 mau x Zinto 0
Chubby 4
16:55 335 ntn xmurray 3
brit 5
16:59 336 font murray 4
17:12 342 Zinto murray 5
17:24 345 font xmurray 4
Chubby 5
17:40 350 Katy CR 2
18:52 364 CR x JAG 2
brit 6
19:02 366 sal x JAG 1
murray 5
19:47 387 Danny xChubby 4
brit 7
19:49 390 DT murray 6
19:51 392 brit x JAG 0
murray 7
19:52 393 Chubby xmurray 6
brit 8
19:54 396 murray xChubby 3
19:58 409 murray brit 9
19:58 410 Katy x CR 1
murray 7
19:58 411 Danny x brit 8
murray 8
19:59 415 JAG x brit 7
murray 9
19:59 416 mau xChubby 2
brit 8
19:59 417 Chubby x brit 7
murray 10
19:59 419 mau x brit 6
murray 11
19:59 420 Chubby xmurray 10
brit 7

.......

[Coffee Warlord]

5 - Katy (mau 1649, PF 1653, Lathum 1672, DQ 1685, Danny 1755)
4 - Mau (bhlloy 1658, saldana 1662, Katy 1730, DT 1764)

[Coffee Warlord]

Thomas and Duck are friends.

They are not friends with the troublesome trucks.

They like to chug up hills.

They like to zip down hills.

[Danny]

We can figure Jag was a starting wolf, but none of the other known wolves appear to be starting wolves

Saldana put a second vote on Jag, bu there were three candidates with more votes, so I am not sure if that helps saldana or not as that could be a safe way to try and gain trust, especially knowing Jag is very very unlikely to get voted out day1.

[Danny]

Packer and Lathum made early votes for villagers that stuck all day.

Mau and I both jumped around quite a bit, with all votes to villagers.

[Coffee Warlord]

Duck got cleaned up!

The trucks got picked up.

Duck had a close shave.

[Danny]

Katy with a mid day vote for CR which stuck all day when he was a side candidate. I could see a wolf doing this for fear of being on a leading vote getter.

[Danny]

Dt with a later day vote on a villager which stuck

[Danny]

DQ with a fairly early vote for a villager that stuck all day. Bhlloy looks like he had no vote.

[mauchow]

If it means anything to anybody I will 100% reveal my character and role in the morning if I make it through the night.

[Danny]

From pure votes, I think Saldana and Katylied are the most suspicious. I know Saldana voted wolf, but I could see him doing that when JJag was never in any real danger. Then he left the vote there instead of putting it on a meaningful candidate and could come back and claim he voted wolf later if Jag discovered.

To me, Mau comes off looking the best as I dont see a wolf jumping around like he did late in the day with all villagers on the block.

[Danny]

FWIW, I am of the belief that there was another starting wolf besides Jag. I just can see a game designed that could legimately end on day 1.

[Danny]

cant see*

[Danny]

11 - bullet - bhlloy (837), hoopsguy (829), Danny (815), path12 (753), Autumn (587), Chubby (911), ZInto (916), JAG(923), fontisian (930), PackerFanatic (936), DaddyTogo (925)
5 - Chubby - Lathum (787), saldana (675), britrock88 (657), , DQ_BOY (915), bulletsponge (934)
4 - Autumn - KatyLied (730)
1 - fontisian - mauchow (763),
1 - Lathum - ntndeacon (690)

day 2 results. Again, I am going on the assumption there is a starting wolf besides Jag in here.

[Danny]

I think bhlloy and I look the best here with fairly early votes on a wolf. DT and Packer with later meaningful votes, so that buys them no trust.

[Danny]

Lathum, Saldana, DQboy, Katylied, Mauchow with villager votes. Not a fan of Saldana's or katylies votes here.

[Danny]

7 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113, Zinto 1173, Autumn 1260, DQ 1271)
4 - DQ (Lathum 1273, path 1300, font 1305, DT 1306)
2 - Chubby (Brit 1246, Katy 1272)
2 - Britrock (Saldana 1106, bhlloy 1133)


Font was a wolf here. However it should be noted that font was almost certainly to be found out so it is a good spot for a wolf to place a trust buying vote.

Packer and Mauchow with votes on font. Also, I did not get to vote this day, but I was clearly on record even early saying I would vote Font.

DT, with a not so good vote.

Looking worst is katy, saldana and bhlloy, this is the third day in a row katylied how his / her vote on a side canddiate. I am not getting a good impression from this as that is fairly typical noob wolf behavior.

[Danny]

9 - JAG (Chubby 1455, Mau 1509, Danny 1517, brit 1518, DQ 1519, path12 1524, Zinto 1541, Saldana 1576, KatyLied 1585)
3 - Zinto (Jag 1503, PF 1554, bhlloy 1561)

Mau and I with early Jag votes. DQ with a decently early one. Saldana and Kaylied with late throwaway votes.

PF and bhlloy with Zinto votes.

I actually think Saldana and Katy look the worst with late votes that dont matter. I think bhlloy buries Jag there if he is a fellow wolf.

[Coffee Warlord]

5 - Katy (mau 1649, PF 1653, Lathum 1672, DQ 1685, Danny 1755)
4 - Mau (bhlloy 1658, saldana 1662, Katy 1730, DT 1764)

[Danny]

So with that, I think Katylied and Saldana are the most likely wolves based on voting record with bhlloy the least likely based purely on objective analysis.

[mauchow]

Well, 8 minutes to go, I'd prefer one of the others switching off me onto Katy, *cough* DT!

[Danny]

Looking at the votes, I think katy is a far better vote than Mauchow

[mauchow]

So with that, I think Katylied and Saldana are the most likely wolves based on voting record with bhlloy the least likely based purely on objective analysis.

Do you read anything into Saldana going into pure defensive mode when he's not even on the block?

[Danny]

Do you read anything into Saldana going into pure defensive mode when he's not even on the block?

I'm not sure, Saldana is a player I have more trouble reading from a gut based perspective, so I try not to use my gut on him. Chief Rum is the same way. You, I tend to go more on gut :p

[Danny]

But based on the votes, Saldana would be my other top choice with Katylied

[Coffee Warlord]

3 minutes.

[Coffee Warlord]

Una minutka!

[Coffee Warlord]

Beep!

[mauchow]

I was really nervous with Lathum online and the ability to swing this thing.

[Coffee Warlord]

With the deaths of so many last night, today's discussions are certainly quieter. Especially with the death of the fat Colonel, alcohol consumption has dropped by 50%. Though certainly, others seem to be getting louder, and trying to usurp a certain narrator's post count. He will be punished for his insolence.

That being said, it seems, after much thoughful discussion, you have accumulated enough evidence to contact the police, and hand KatyLied over to the authorities.

Katy struggles, protesting her innocence. Her beauty is such you are almost swayed, but in the end, the police carry off Miss Peach.

KatyLied was Miss Peach! The first time anyone attacked her, they would be struck by her beauty and decide to attack someone else. She was innocent!

Night 5 has begun. I cannot guarantee it will run promptly tomorrow morning. It will run when I drag my ass up and get my son taken care of.

[Danny]

Hmm, so she told the truth (is katy a guy or girl?) except that apparently she had been attacked already.

[mauchow]

Sorry Katy -- I had the first vote on you :(

[mauchow]

Hmm, so she told the truth (is katy a guy or girl?) except that apparently she had been attacked already.

Good call, perhaps she was targeted last night?

[Danny]

that is interesting because that means she certainly was targeted at night at some point. That means someone attempted a kill on her.

[Danny]

And she is not an informant, so I can only assume it was someone ability?

[mauchow]

The first time anyone attacked her, they would be struck by her beauty and decide to attack someone else.[/b]


Ah, I read it over again and it doesn't say whether or not she was already attacked; CW was just explaining her ability.

[Danny]

Oh, so maybe it was only for being attacked and not for lynches?

[Lathum]

I was really nervous with Lathum online and the ability to swing this thing.

you have Danny to thank, I was gonna do it.

[mauchow]

Oh, so maybe it was only for being attacked and not for lynches?

RIght, attacks only.. as she explained it.

[mauchow]

Bhlloy, danny or Saldana would be my priority looks tomorrow if we continue to play the angle of one of the Latecomers beginning as a murderer.

[mauchow]

I don't think I will be checking in again until the morning, don't wanna be rusty in the morning when I reveal at 8:00am sharp! And I'll even explain the logic that I've been trying to use today to deduce the reasons that I believe that make sal a bigger target than one of the other unrevealed candidates.

Good night!

[DQ_BOY1000]

DQ with a fairly early vote for a villager that stuck all day. Bhlloy looks like he had no vote.

Which vote was this?

[KatyLied]

Good luck village!

[bhlloy]

Which vote was this?

Day 1 I presume, I didn't have a vote that day, I completely misread my PM and thought I could talk but not vote.

[Danny]

Yes, day 1

[bhlloy]

Bhlloy, danny or Saldana would be my priority looks tomorrow if we continue to play the angle of one of the Latecomers beginning as a murderer.

So everyone other than you then? :p

[Coffee Warlord]

Well then. Processing.

[Coffee Warlord]

You awake to ... no new deaths?!?! Could it be over?!?!

As you slowly filter out of your rooms, you notice Mr Green, Lady Lavender, Sergeant Grey, and Mr Meadowbrook standing together, looking like they've been arguing. As they notice the rest of you approaching, Mr Green speaks up.

"We have to kill them! They'll rat us out to the cops."

Mr Meadowbrook pipes up, "I'm afraid he's right. Sergeant, can you handle the local authorities?"

The good Sergeant nods, gives a little wink to the old lady, Lady Lavender, and draws his service pistol, "Business first."

He opens fire on The Chief, The Singing Telegram Girl, Rusty Naylor, and Mrs Peacock, killing them all!

Together, the conspirators lock the bodies in the cellar, and depart the house. Between the Sergeant and the Lawyer, they are confident they would never be charged.

The Murderers Have Won!

DQ_BOY was Mr Green. Mr Green was a converted murderer!

bhlloy was Sergeant Grey. He could convert one player, and counted as a murderer for ratio purposes.

Danny was Mr Meadowbrook. He could perform a duke action if JAG was lynched, and counted as a murderer for ratio purposes.

DT was Lady Lavender! If he was targeted for a night kill, he would instead convert. He was attacked last night, which led us to this.

----

mau was The Chief! If The Cop or Sergeant Grey converted to full fledged murderers, he would immediately find out.

PF was The Singing Telegram Girl! He could send a message of 10 words or less to a character 3 times per game.

Saldana was Rusty Naylor! He could follow a player, and if they took a night action, he would discover if they were a murderer.

Lathum was Mrs Peacock! He could bribe a player and prevent them from voting the following day.

----

The murderers and their allies have acheived a 1:1 ratio with the village. Ballgame!

[mauchow]

Wtf

[Coffee Warlord]

For the record. Yes. There really was only 1 wolf to start, JAG. (Danny and bhlloy had their roles to start, but they couldn't PM with JAG, nor could they perform night kills) Though he had a couple early game abilities that would prevent him from being lynched very early.

[JAG]

Nice job DQ, good pick with DT.

Even with just one starting wolf (18:3 if you want to count it for ratio purposes), this was a fairly tough rule set for the village considering they lynched wolves 4 of 6 days and still lost (and would've had a hard time winning even if say Danny or bhlloy got lynched at the end). Granted the fontisian conversion was basically a mistake that shouldn't have happened and the bullet / Chief Rum thing was pretty lucky.

Nice job by bhlloy and Danny, both did better than me I think. DQ was an excellent conversion choice.

[JAG]

Make that 3 of 5 days, not 4 of 6.

[Coffee Warlord]

Amusingly, it was tougher for the villagers than I expected. I figured the wolves would have a helluva lot harder time. The 4 kill night really nailed the village, and the fact that 3 of the 5 eligible Big 6 converted, for various reasons, and then bhlloy picked Mr Green to convert.

Had Danny or bhlloy gotten killed before they could use their power, it woulda been much different.

[Chubby]

lol

fun game!

[DQ_BOY1000]

Woot woot!

Thanks JAG for all the help! You really broke it all down for me!

[mauchow]

Well I thought we had a few more days...

Why didn't I get a notice that sargeant gray transferred ?

[JAG]

Amusingly, it was tougher for the villagers than I expected. I figured the wolves would have a helluva lot harder time. The 4 kill night really nailed the village, and the fact that 3 of the 5 eligible Big 6 converted, for various reasons, and then bhlloy picked Mr Green to convert.

Had Danny or bhlloy gotten killed before they could use their power, it woulda been much different.

Very true. I think it was logical the village focused on the group at the house first though since there was at least a confirmed murderer in that group, which meant neither of them were ever in much trouble until the end (which was after they used their abilities).

Opened up the speculation thread to all, which has some odds and ends about the game and reasoning for some of the choices I made:

Clue: Master Detective (http://jagww.forumotion.com/t17-clue-master-detective)

[DQ_BOY1000]

What was your power!?

[hoopsguy]

So the "cultist" roles counted as wolves for the final count?

Pretty weird for a game where the villagers get >50% lynches right to end like this.

Also, it appears there were four separate conversions that took place - including two that were not triggered by informant deaths.

I'm really not sure how the village wins this ruleset if it was played ten times. I'm sure this sounds like sour grapes, but it really isn't intended that way. I had a lot of fun playing and thought it was a pretty interesting ruleset. But this sure felt like a steep hill for the village to climb with the rules I currently understand.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm really not sure how the village wins this ruleset if it was played ten times. I'm sure this sounds like sour grapes, but it really isn't intended that way. I had a lot of fun playing and thought it was a pretty interesting ruleset. But this sure felt like a steep hill for the village to climb with the rules I currently understand.

For what it's worth, I'm in moderate agreement. Didn't get quite as balanced as I woulda liked. I think, with the weird starting condition of only 1 real wolf, I overcompensated for them.

[mauchow]

Ah never mind he never became a full fledged murderer.

Not sure he should have counted as a murderer though for ratio in hind sight.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well I thought we had a few more days...

Why didn't I get a notice that sargeant gray transferred ?

He never technically did. If they night killed him (they didn't know who he was - only that such a character existed) he woulda converted and lost his conversion power - and you'da been told. Had he already used his conversion power and got attacked, he'da just died.

Your "radar" was more meant to make sure the Cop stayed on the good side.

[Autumn]

Wow, way more complicated behind the scenes than I even guessed! So Bhlloy and Danny were basically Murderers. Did either of them know JAG?

Bhlloy could convert anyone? DT would get converted if killed. I know there were rules that would have converted me. And then the Big 6. Now I see why this could have been over quickly. We could have had a billion murderers by D2.

This was a fun game. Definitely seems in the Murderers' favor. Because of so many conversions the Seer is only 25% useful, and the bodyguard is less useful too with so many night actions. Imagine if the Big 6 had kept quiet about their roles! We would have been lynching villagers left and right and losing handfuls of them at night. But it didn't really feel frustrating, CW, so I think you got it right with trying to puzzle it all out, and everybody having something they could do, keeping people from feeling like they were getting their butts kicked.

[mauchow]

The only way I find out he's a murderer is if he killed someone and the only one he could kill was me...

I had a good game plan for this morning but ... game over

[Coffee Warlord]

I went back and forth on the counting for ratio part. My reasoning to do it that way went as such - since the wolves knew who Danny was, and they knew Sergeant Grey EXISTED, it woulda been exceedingly easy for them to do the math and realize they had a majority, when it came to that.

[mauchow]

Definitely a fun rule set and with some tweaks it could work for a future game similarly.

[Coffee Warlord]

This was a fun game. Definitely seems in the Murderers' favor. Because of so many conversions the Seer is only 25% useful, and the bodyguard is less useful too with so many night actions. Imagine if the Big 6 had kept quiet about their roles! We would have been lynching villagers left and right and losing handfuls of them at night. But it didn't really feel frustrating, CW, so I think you got it right with trying to puzzle it all out, and everybody having something they could do, keeping people from feeling like they were getting their butts kicked.

Also keep in mind there were basically 3 variations of seer available as well.

Brit just got bad luck. Miss Scarlet had an awesome power, but converted early. Rusty could do a seer power if the person he followed took an action.

Unlucky targeting for those three.

[JAG]

So the "cultist" roles counted as wolves for the final count?

Pretty weird for a game where the villagers get >50% lynches right to end like this.

Also, it appears there were four separate conversions that took place - including two that were not triggered by informant deaths.

I'm really not sure how the village wins this ruleset if it was played ten times. I'm sure this sounds like sour grapes, but it really isn't intended that way. I had a lot of fun playing and thought it was a pretty interesting ruleset. But this sure felt like a steep hill for the village to climb with the rules I currently understand.

It was a bit odd, Danny and bhlloy counted as murderers for win purposes, but if DQ had been lynched the last day (which granted was not going to happen), the murderers would have lost. The village only had to remove Boddy and those he had PM contact with (the ones making the night kills).

Autumn, Danny knew me but not the other wolves. bhlloy only knew DQ, who he converted.

[Lathum]

Thanks for the game CW.

It was really tough for the village because of the conversion mechanic you really couldn't ever trust anyone. For example, DQboy would have coasted to the end. It made it really hard to analyze anything. Still fun thought. I enjoyed using my power on myself.

[Lathum]

Also keep in mind there were basically 3 variations of seer available as well.

Brit just got bad luck. Miss Scarlet had an awesome power, but converted early. Rusty could do a seer power if the person he followed took an action.

Unlucky targeting for those three.

The problem I think is those scans are rendered useless a day later because there is always tohe possibility of conversion

[Coffee Warlord]

That's always the trouble with conversion games. And they're tough as shit to balance out - as just proven!

[JAG]

Also keep in mind there were basically 3 variations of seer available as well.

Brit just got bad luck. Miss Scarlet had an awesome power, but converted early. Rusty could do a seer power if the person he followed took an action.

Unlucky targeting for those three.

Also DV was trying to use his power to be a seer the night he died.

[DaddyTorgo]

Nice job DQ - did you wolves pick up on my odd play and think I was the cultist-type role at all, or was it just a lucky guess? I was basically trying to get myself noticed by you all since D1!

Glad you picked just the right time for attacking me though!!!

[DQ_BOY1000]

I was shocked when CW told me. I was all ready to win this thing for the village then, out of no where and despite what I had been told I was converted.

Great job CW loads of fun!

[mauchow]

Today I was going to be pushing the fact that gray had not been converted yet and that it would be okay for the last two to reveal and I would have trusted bhlloy because of it so I would have been screwing up that way too.

[DQ_BOY1000]

DT, you were a lucky guess. It was between you and sal last night. Though the bickering between mau and sal made it easy to go with you to keep that hoha going.

My goal was to play "aggressive" insomuch as follow the crowd and try to stay under the radar.

I could plausibly deny all of my votes before my conversion because I really though I was villager.

[JAG]

Nice job DQ - did you wolves pick up on my odd play and think I was the cultist-type role at all, or was it just a lucky guess? I was basically trying to get myself noticed by you all since D1!

Glad you picked just the right time for attacking me though!!!

I told DQ even though you scanned good that you might be the corrupt cop because you acting weird and not to kill you unless he was sure you weren't. I was mostly thinking the cop was saldana or DT the day I was voted out until saldana's reveal.

[Chubby]

so why duke to me?

[JAG]

Danny will have to answer that since he did it, but he may have thought brit was converted and you were pretty clearly on the wrong side.

[mauchow]

Did anyone pick up that I was the chief after I capitilized HONESTLY? LOL

[DQ_BOY1000]

SERIOUSLY? :)

[PackerFanatic]

Wow! Fun game CW. Surprised by the result - although with so many conversions, I guess I shouldn't be :)

[Danny]

Wow! I am as surprised by this result as anyone. After Jag died I figured there was one murderer left and was secretly hoping it was Lathum. No idea there were so many possible conversions.

Chubby, I duked to you because you were the person I was most sure was a villager. WIth all of the crazy stuff, the last thing I wanted to do was duke to another murderer, especially one who was converted and had trust.

[Danny]

I definitely think this turned out to be stacked against the village.

But it was fun none the less.

Jag, why were you so quiet? If I hadnt been on your side I would have brought up day 2 how ridiculously under the radar you were playing.

[Danny]

I do appreciate the wolves picking off all the players that were at or above my post count level.

[britrock88]

Man, I should have converted when I had the chance... :D

[PackerFanatic]

I do appreciate the wolves picking off all the players that were at or above my post count level.

lol - ditto! 4th most posts in a game is pretty good for me ;)

[JAG]

Jag, why were you so quiet? If I hadnt been on your side I would have brought up day 2 how ridiculously under the radar you were playing.

It was a combination of game-related and real-life related things. Game-related due to having to debrief and work with a new partner at the start of every day (I probably should've had a boilerplate written), the timing of the night deadline (usually early morning is my best time for writing / thinking about the game, but I don't usually post much during night phases), and trying to be careful about what I posted since I was the only decently hid wolf among the actual killers (I believe Wednesday I had one point of writing 5-6 posts and then deleted them because I didn't like how they sounded). Real life intervened Tuesday+Wednesday (shoveled snow for a good chunk of the morning and felt out of it the rest of the day, daughter got sick Tuesday evening, stayed home Wednesday to care for her). I was surprised I wasn't called out on it and sorry I wasn't much help to you. By the time I got a partner that was reasonably trusted, the jig was up for me so I couldn't communicate it to you.

By the way, I was amused by your "You can trust me!" comment D1 (I am pretty sure you weren't aware I started off the game knowing who you were, right?) after the last game where you were killed by your wolf partners. Thanks for getting the vote off me, though I was afraid that was going to come back to haunt us. The first two days I had a duke ability similar to the way yours worked if I had been the lynch.

I'm interested to know if bhlloy had figured either of us out or if he was mostly flying blind this game.

[bhlloy]

heh, wow. To answer that question JAG I had absolutely no idea about you, and Danny was my "most likely to be a wolf" from the remaining players so I was trying to keep any suspicion of of him, but really I figured it was just DQ and I through the end. I felt pretty good about Katy, Sal and Mau being villagers and just tried to keep the conversation and my votes there.

I had a few real WTF moments this game:

Day 2 pushing the lynch on bullet after coming up with a plausible theory that he was Miss Scarlett and then that being true (sorry Bullet)

Night 2 I tried to convert Font because who reveals their exact role and conversion mechanic and then actually continues to work towards their conversion, right? Thankfully my mechanic didn't fail it just wasn't used as I witnessed her become the murderer, and I tried to direct suspicion off font the next day but it was a futile task at that point

Night three I was genuinely torn between Lathum and Danny ironically - DQ looked like he was getting lynched and I wasn't sure if everyone was just going to jump on Lathum and finish off the last big six the next day, so I was ready to pick out who from the late arrivers I wanted to attach to. Then DQ did his reveal and duke, and it was a no brainer who to convert, although I didn't think it would actually work for a while.

My strategy really was play as a villager until I got my power out there and then try and misdirect, but even after I used my power I figured if I died and my power was revealed that would look really bad for DQ and people might start looking at him again. I hoped DQ knew who I was and I wouldn't be a NK candidate but I wasn't sure. So mostly my game was trying to be as villager as possible and stay alive as long as possible and not do anything controversial.

Fun game that definitely could go both ways but once there were conversions in the first few nights, there was very little chance the village was going to win. Did both big six (font and bullet) just get lucky to find their informants or was there some other mechanic at play?

[hoopsguy]

Also keep in mind there were basically 3 variations of seer available as well.

Brit just got bad luck. Miss Scarlet had an awesome power, but converted early. Rusty could do a seer power if the person he followed took an action.

Unlucky targeting for those three.

Sure, but could still only lynch one wolf per day. And the wolves seemed to be able to pick up both conversions + kills each day. So it was a sinking ship in terms of trying to catch up, no matter how successful the seers might be.

The cultists not counting for murderer ratio would have helped a lot, I think, in terms of giving the village a better shot at winning. Also, I like the incomplete communication in play for the wolves/cultists in this one.

[hoopsguy]

Based on the pushback against Brit by Chubby and Bholloy on Day 2, I had one of them pegged as full-blown seer who thought they were in a role conflict with Brit, thus accusing him of bluffing at the role as a wolf. I wanted to say in thread "there are probably a couple of partial seer roles, relaxing and stop outing yourselves" but didn't want to draw any wolf attention your way ... oops.

[hoopsguy]

From what I can tell, several villagers either played badly or unluckily with their roles.

I didn't realize my seance was a one-time power, so basically ended up wasting it on Night 1.
Chief Rum ran into his Big 6 guy, essentially killing himself and causing a conversion.
NTN ran into his (revealed) Big 6 guy, essentially killing himself and causing a conversion.

I'm sure there are others as well, just bringing these up to somewhat soften my thoughts on game balance. Better play would have led to fewer conversions, better information flow on catching (non-converted) wolves.

[Coffee Warlord]

There was definitely some bad luck / bad decisions on the village's case. But, still, even I can say in retrospect the balance was off. At the very least, looks like people have fun regardless. Was a fun one to run, with all the craziness.

[Danny]

If I was a villager, they would have won ;) (if I wasnt nked night 1 or 2!)

[KatyLied]

Super fun game! I hope next time I'll have more time to think a bit more strategically, especially now that I've been through one full game. Thanks to brit for introducing me.

[DQ_BOY1000]

Speaking of the next game...

CW, when does the next one start? :)

[bulletsponge]

even when i lose i win!

[Lathum]

Speaking of the next game...

CW, when does the next one start? :)

We rotate mods and there is a sign up list so whoever is up next will post sign ups soon.

[Autumn]

If I was a villager, they would have won ;) (if I wasnt nked night 1 or 2!)

Remember folks, if Danny's alive he's a wolf. That's where you went wrong.

[mauchow]

Much like the game a month or two back when jag was still alive I don't want to play meta-gamey and choose to lynch him because he's still alive and that meant he's a wolf. No, I choose to intentionally let the game play out and base it on whats in front of me not with meta game feelings. I certainly thought about it two days ago for Danny when i brought up the question but as i said, i think its unfair.. Danny or jag or hoops don't deserve to get lynched because of the question "how are they still alive..." I think they deserve better than that.

[hoopsguy]

Remember folks, if Danny's alive he's a wolf. That's where you went wrong.

The crowd (at least at hoopsguy's house) boos this logic.

[JAG]

Much like the game a month or two back when jag was still alive I don't want to play meta-gamey and choose to lynch him because he's still alive and that meant he's a wolf. No, I choose to intentionally let the game play out and base it on whats in front of me not with meta game feelings. I certainly thought about it two days ago for Danny when i brought up the question but as i said, i think its unfair.. Danny or jag or hoops don't deserve to get lynched because of the question "how are they still alive..." I think they deserve better than that.

I think that's just smart play because it can happen. I've made it to the last few players as a villager at least as many times as a wolf, off the top of my head once with tyke / Chief / Jackal (though tyke suicided before we could have the last day) and once with you and the Juggler in the Dr. Who game. I can think of a few games Danny made it to the end as a villager too.

[britrock88]

Haven't seen Jackal in ages...

[Danny]

So who is the one who hit me the non voting ability?

[Lathum]

So who is the one who hit me the non voting ability?

me