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Narcizo

04-23-2015, 03:14 AM

Day One

13:31 #80 timmae votes cheeki (1)
13:36 #81 Vaimes votes font (1)
13:36 #82 Eagle votes timmae (1)
13:37 #85 Martin votes Shoveler (1)
13:37 #85 Vaimes unvotes Font, votes Timmae (2) / Timmae 2
13:40 #89 JAG vote Jackal (1)
13:48 #95 Shoveler votes Vaimes (1)
13:51 #99 Grover votes Narcizo (1)
14:32 #104 Cheeki votes Raven (1)
14:56 #106 Raven votes Jackal (2) / Timmae, Jackal 2
15:08 #108 Narcizo votes Zinto (1)
15:35 #113 Britrock votes Shoveler (2) / Timmae, Jackal, Shoveler 2
15:38 #115 JAG unvotes Jackal (1), votes Raven (1) / Timmae, Shoveler 2
16.51 #134 Jackal votes Grover (1)
18:57 #148 JAG unvotes Raven (0), votes Fonti (1)

20:28 #154 Timmae unvotes cheeki (0), votes Jackal (2) / Timmae, Jackal, Shoveler 2
20:00 #163 Zinto votes Vaimes (2) / Timmae, Jackal, Shoveler, Vaimes 2
22:52 #178 Bug votes Font (2) / Timmae, Jackal, Font, Shoveler, Vaimes 2
07:06 #187 JAG unvotes Fonti (1) / Timmae, Jackal, Shoveler, Vaimes 2
07:37 #190 Cheeki unvotes Raven (0), votes Fonti (2) / Timmae, Jackal, Font, Shoveler; Vaimes 2
08:03 #197 Jag votes cheeki (1)
08:14 #202 Grover unvotes Narc (0), votes Fonti (3) / Font 3, Timmae, Jackal, Shoveler, Vaimes 2
09:32 #210 Font votes Grover (2) / Font 3, Timmae, Jackal, Grover, Shoveler, Vaimes 2
10:09 #229 Jackal unvotes Grover (1) / Font 3, Timmae, Jackal, Shoveler, Vaimes 2
10:27 #237 Jackal votes timmae (3) / Font, Timmae 3, Jackal, Shoveler, Vaimes 2
11:54 #264 Autumn votes cheeki (2) / Font, Timmae 3, Jackal, Shoveler, cheeki, Vaimes 2
11:55 #268 Grover unvotes Font (2), votes Martin (1) / Timmae 3, Font, Jackal, Shoveler, Cheeki, Vaimes 2
12.07 #276 Jackal unvotes timmae (2) / Timmae, Font, Jackal, Shoveler, Cheeki, Vaimes 2

12:31 #283 Jackal votes Zinto (2) / Timmae, Font, Jackal, Shoveler, Cheeki, Zinto, Vaimes 2
12:40 #293 Cheeki unvotes Font (1), votes Vaimes (3) / Vaimes 3, Timmae, Jackal, Shoveler, Cheeki, Zinto 2
14:08 #310 Grover unvotes Martin (0)
14:15 #312 Vaimes unvotes Timmae, votes Zinto (3) / Vaimes, Zinto 3, Jackal, Shoveler, Cheeki 2
14:17 #316 JAG unvotes cheeki (1), votes Zinto (4) / Zinto 4, Vaimes 3, Jackal, Shoveler 2
14:18 #317 Britrock unvotes Shoveler (1), votes Jackal (3) / Zinto 4, Vaimes, Jackal 3
14:21 #321 Fonti unvotes Grover (1), votes Zinto (5) / Zinto 5, Vaimes, Jackal 3
14:26 #326 Grover votes Zinto (6) / Zinto 6, Jackal , Vaimes 3
14:26 #327 Shoveler unvotes Vaimes (2), votes Jackal (4) / Zinto 5, Jackal 4, Vaimes 2
14:59 #343 Autumn unvotes Cheeki (0), votes Zinto (7) / Zinto 7, Jackal 4, Vaimes 2
15:52 #358 Martin unvotes Shoveler (0), votes Jackal (5) /Zinto 7, Jackal 5, Vaimes 2
15:57 #363 Zinto unvotes Vaimes (1) / Zinto 7, Jackal 4

Zinto (7)-- Narcizo (108), The Jackal (283), Vaimes (312), JAG (316), fontisian (321), Grover (326), Autumn (343)
The Jackal (5)-- Raven (106), timmae (154), britrock88 (317), Shoveler (327), MartinD (358)
Vaimes (1)-- cheekimonk (293)
timmae (1)-- EagleFan (82)
fontisian (1)-- MrBug708 (178)

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 03:55 AM

Day Two

21:36 #464 Autumn votes Cheeki (1)
22:13 #480 Cheeki votes Martin (1)
08:15 #495 Timmae votes Martin (2) / Martin 2
08:24 #496 Grover votes Cheeki (2) / Cheeki 2
08:38 #500 Eagle votes Martin (3) / Martin 3, Cheeki 2
10:25 #521 Grover unvotes Cheeki (1) / Martin 3
13:05 #572 Shoveler votes Autumn (1)
13:20 #577 Grover votes MrBug (1)
13:22 #579 Martin votes Cheeki (2) / Martin 3, Cheeki 2
13:29 #580 Narcizo votes Autumn (2) / Martin 3, Cheeki, Autumn 2
13:49 #584 Cheeki unvotes Martin (2), votes Autumn (3) / Autumn 3, Cheeki, Martin 2

14:27 #592 Grover unvotes MrBug (0)
14:35 #595 Raven votes Martin (3) / Autumn, Martin 3, Cheeki 2
14:52 #598 Grover votes Autumn (4) / Autumn 4, Martin 3, Cheeki 2
15:22 #608 Britrock votes Martin (4) /Autumn, Martin 4, Cheeki 2
15:31 #611 Cheeki unvotes Autumn (3), votes Martin (5) / Martin 5, Autumn 3, Cheeki 2
15:46 #621 Autumn unvotes Cheeki (1), votes Martin (6) / Martin 6, Autumn 3
15:41 #629 Bug votes Autumn (4) / Martin 6, Autumn 4
15:53 #632 Martin unvotes Cheeki (0), votes Autumn (5) / Martin 6, Autumn 5
15:56 #637 Narcizo unvotes Autumn (4), votes Martin (7) / Martin 7, Autumn 4
15:58 #644 Shoveler unvotes Autumn (3), votes Martin (8) / Martin 8, Autumn 3

FINAL Day Two Vote Tally

MartinD (8) -- timmae (495), EagleFan (500), Raven (595), britrock88 (608), cheekimonk (611), Autumn (621), Narcizo (637), Shoveler (644)
Autumn (3) -- Grover (598), MrBug708 (629), MartinD (632)

No Vote: The Jackal, Vaimes
Unable to Vote: fontisian

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 04:07 AM

At the risk of repeating myself - Martin duking to Vaimes rather than Autumn (or not duking at all) is not the work of a villager. Furthermore he hasn't actually offered anything other than attempts at self-survival. No suspicions, no suggestion of who he intended to duke to last Night. I honestly don't think I've seen a clearer case of wolfishness.

If Martin is evil then Font is almost definitely also evil. If Font is a duke, which seems almost certain, then we don't want her alive to duke the vote tonight.

So font needs to be day killed. Preferably by Autumn, Eagle, Timmae, Brit or me (in case she is telling the truth).

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 04:10 AM

Jackal missed all of yesterday and he still has more posts than any other participant in the game. :)

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 05:43 AM

I'm a hunter, Narc. I thought that was obvious as of yesterday?

Didn't we have a long discussion about whether font "blatantly claimed duke" yesterday and it was shown that she (not so blatantly) did? There were also post where she talked (joked?) about being a hunter. We don't know because she was saved by MartinD, but Vaimes was village and convinced she was duke. Otherwise, he doesn't take that shot. Something's wonky.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 05:44 AM

Didn't we have a long discussion about whether font "blatantly claimed duke" yesterday and it was shown that she (not so blatantly) did? There were also post where she talked (joked?) about being a hunter. We don't know because she was saved by MartinD, but Vaimes was village and convinced she was duke. Otherwise, he doesn't take that shot. Something's wonky.

DOLA, sorry. I see Narc pointed this out above.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 05:48 AM

Chief - if a hunter kill on another hunter was blocked by the medic would the shooting hunter die?

We confirmed this yesterday. The shooting hunter will only die if the target is shot and killed. font was shot but not killed. Hence, she could be a hunter and Vaimes still live. But, again, I think we established that she pretty much claimed duke on D1.

EDIT: Had an extra bracket in there around "and"...

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 06:33 AM

We confirmed this yesterday. The shooting hunter will only die if the target is shot and killed. font was shot but not killed. Hence, she could be a hunter and Vaimes still live.

Well, pants then. :redface: Missed that bit. Apparently.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 07:08 AM

So, the only motivation I can think of for a wolf attack on Martin is that they assumed he'd be viewed as a cleared villager .. but that's clearly not the case with everyone. And I'd think they'd rather go seer hunting than try and take out a quasi-cleared person. It's weird, right?

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 07:13 AM

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 07:17 AM

But if he's a wolf, what's the benefit for making this up? He could have said nothing and we'd all assume it was either the BG block (and we'd encourage them not to reveal, as they'd likely not learn who the attacker was), or the dreaded cultist conversion.

Grover

04-23-2015, 07:22 AM

And, even if the wolves did decide to attack him, then why would the bodyguard protect him?

Which leads me to believe that Martin could be the Bodyguard and Medic, but is that possible?

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 07:24 AM

Which leads me to believe that Martin could be the Bodyguard and Medic, but is that possible?

Seems theoretically possible, but unlikely.

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 07:41 AM

But if he's a wolf, what's the benefit for making this up?

Hope for the bodyguard to reveal (explicitly or through reads) in order to brutal them? I've claimed bodygaurd before to do that. Admittedly I was probably slightly more in a hole than Martin is at the moment.

timmae

04-23-2015, 08:25 AM

Autumn

04-23-2015, 08:26 AM

We confirmed this yesterday. The shooting hunter will only die if the target is shot and killed. font was shot but not killed. Hence, she could be a hunter and Vaimes still live. But, again, I think we established that she pretty much claimed duke on D1.

EDIT: Had an extra bracket in there around "and"...

Can you quote that post? I don't remember anyone explicitly asking Chief about this, but it is key.

timmae

04-23-2015, 08:30 AM

Autumn

04-23-2015, 08:30 AM

4. The fact that I'm willing to shoot people without knowing if they're a hunter or not should point towards me being town, just like it points towards Shoveler being town.

I disagree. It shows you have a disregard for your own life in the game, yes, but I don't see that as a villager move. Losing villagers hurts the village. Losing villagers without additional chance at vote history and post analysis hurts the village. Losing possibly two villagers due to a poor targeting choice by a villager hurts the village. Nothing about this is pro-village, so I don't agree it points towards you being town. Why a wolf would take a risk at killing herself, I don't know, but I don't know why a villager would either. Self-voting is not a villager play and neither is this.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 08:32 AM

Autumn leans good due to the fact that he was looking at other avenues for evil (setting aside martin/font/vaimes). The fact that font is pushing autumn doesn't add up to me. Maybe because she believes that he is likely to make that move just to lay cover. I am leaning good on autumn.

My guess is she's pushing just to get me to claim a faction. She suggested early on a full reveal, and I'm thinking perhaps her agenda is simply to get more info out. Which to me suggests a Cultist.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 08:34 AM

For sake of hypothesizing, let's say she's the cultist. Let's imagine she's a hunter (though I am unsure on that account). She makes this big deal, pushes me to claim, puts out a kill on me, then it fizzles. She then claims she's an unaware Blank, says she can't possibly be a wolf since she was willing to take a shot and possibly die, however all the time knew that wasn't a possibility. Sounds pretty feasible at this point.

timmae

04-23-2015, 08:35 AM

I strongly feel that any haphazard shots today is not worthwhile unless there is a very strong likelihood that we are hitting evil. I don't like the idea that we need to shoot someone as we only get 1 shot a day. While vaimes random shot may be a good play to clear 2 villagers it doesn't appear we are at that juncture yet and it is D3. The longer we string this out the more info we have to track down evil.

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 08:35 AM

Autumn

04-23-2015, 08:37 AM

Hope for the bodyguard to reveal (explicitly or through reads) in order to brutal them? I've claimed bodygaurd before to do that. Admittedly I was probably slightly more in a hole than Martin is at the moment.

Yeah that's the sticky point to me. Claiming bodyguard here or faking a block smacks of desperation, and they can't be desperate yet. Although I know often times wolves feel they're in much more desperate straits than they are. If Martin is a wolf, or especially if Font and Martin both are, maybe they are feeling like they're painted in a corner already with both more likely to be lynched or killed now than a random group, so maybe are trying harder than we would expect. It feels thin though. If it's the case the real bodyguard will eventually claim and we'll know, so it's a theory to put in the possibility box but not to act on, I think.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 08:41 AM

Hope for the bodyguard to reveal (explicitly or through reads) in order to brutal them? I've claimed bodygaurd before to do that. Admittedly I was probably slightly more in a hole than Martin is at the moment.

Yeah that's the part that isn't lining up - it didn't seem like he was going to be put at risk. Unless he was thinking he'd be a hunter target.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 08:41 AM

OK I've reread the thread in light of the apparent information that Font isn't confirmed duke and
a) I'm an idiot for missing that info earlier (although if it's the post I think it is it wasn't really equivocal), and
b) I'm a lot less certain about the correct course of action

Ok. To play devil's advocate. The wolves didn't know who Martin was going to duke to. If they presumed that he was going to duke to a wolf-Autumn then, yeah, they might order a hit on Martin. As Martin would be cleared by duking to a wolf. Suggesting that wolf-Autumn is a hunter. (as they wouldn't bother with a conditional if they knew that duking to Autumn would kill Martin). And there are two villagers who might be bodyguarding Martin.

Okay, despite knowing the theory is wrong, I'll look at it from your angle. Pull that kill rather than go for a good special? I guess. But it seemed very likely in thread that Martin was going to duke Vaimes. That had been discussed many times, so it seems like a stretch to predicate a kill on both Martin duking and Martin duking a particular player. If Martin doesn't duke, or dukes Vaimes, they've played a poor kill.

Again, I'm willing to bet someone thought the Medic was repeatable. Or put a kill order in early in the day? How soon was it fairly obvious Martin was a real lynch target? Both of those assume a fairly oblivious wolf team though.

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 08:43 AM

So because Martin duked to someone who had garnered precisely zero votes on the day in question. Despite what I felt was consensus opinion about what vote-leading dukes should be looking to do. Because of that we're left with another day of Martin (or Font, by proxy) vs Autumn.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 08:46 AM

Jackal missed all of yesterday and he still has more posts than any other participant in the game. :)

Full disclosure, I noticed a few weeks ago that I'm inching closer to 10k posts so I've had that in the back of my head. But only my first few posts in this thread were fluffy. :)

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 08:47 AM

I don't seem to have any meetings scheduled after 12 EST, so hopefully I'll be able to be much more active leading up to deadline today. Have a few meetings before 12 though so may not be around this morning.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 08:48 AM

Well we still should be able to garner something from vote history. Looking at the day through a wolf Martin lens and a villager Martin lens, what can we see? A wolf Martin would know he was going to duke, and so wolves would be free to vote however they want to look good, they probably would actually vote Martin so that their vote history would eventually look good and to assure they controlled the lynch. Villager Martin, wolves would assume Martin was going to duke but not be sure, especially because he hadn't shown up until close to lynch, and not know where. I don't know when I became the most likely second target, but I have to think Martin would probably be a better hope for wolves, since they would not know if I was a duke or not, who I might duke to if I was. Better to have Martin who they could be fairly sure would duke either me or Vaimes.

This is reminding me too that for a while it looked like Martin might not show up to move his vote or put in a duke order. That might have affected the night kill in some way.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 08:48 AM

I don't see any surefire lynch or kill targets at the moment, which is somewhat concerning. It almost makes me think the BG should reveal if they think they can add clarity to the situation - especially if it shows that Martin is lying. They'd still potentially be able to save themselves for another night, and play with the wolves' minds in terms of who they protect. And the seer would still be out there racking up some scans.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 08:49 AM

Because without knowing where the items are, we need to get a wolf sooner than later or risk endgame firing up on us quickly like in WoT

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 08:54 AM

Particularly if there was a cultist conversion yesterday.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 08:58 AM

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 09:02 AM

OK so the bodyguard reveals if he/she didn't protect Martin. If no-one reveals then we have to assume that he's telling the truth. That doesn't actually clear font but it certainly makes her much more likely to be a villager. Where does that leave us? I've wasted most of my day being sure about something because I didn't read the thread closely. I don't want to be hanging around all evening so my presence is going to be sporadic at best.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 09:05 AM

Particularly if there was a cultist conversion yesterday.

Let's look at possibilities. If there was a conversion, then Martin is certainly a wolf. However, I think that's a thin possibility, because i don't think any of us would have suspected that a target or bodyguard would have been told if they were attacked. Wow, now that I think of that, if Chief confirmed that targets will be told they're attacked I think that's a huge point. Let me continue thinking out loud about this.

Before last night, wolves would have no reason to suspect targets would know they were attacked. So if they got a conversion, they still would not know, and it would not, I think, occur to them to have Martin fake a block and claim he knew he was attacked. I think we can rule out that possibility, and therefore rule out a conversion.

So that suggests either the wolves forgot a kill order or were indeed blocked. So if they were blocked, they may have become aware that the target would know they were attacked. In which case i can't see why Martin would fake it, because the wolves would know the real target and the real bodyguard both know he's lying. A cultist Martin might fake it, but would not know to do so because he wouldn't know that targets are informed.

If there was a forgotten kill order, again, no one would know to fake the target knowing.

So I have talked myself into 100% believing Martin. I can't see how the wolves would know that targets would be told they were attacked without having experienced a block. I guess the wrinkle here is that the night 1 kill might have suggested that to them. That seems really unlikely. I'm going to go back and check that Chief confirmed Martin's point about being told.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 09:08 AM

No one will get shot and not know it.

Okay, turns out this is the only response to that idea, and I don't think it's convincing.

Chief: Are night kill targets told that they were targeted, even if they survive?

Autumn

04-23-2015, 09:18 AM

I'm going to wait on a few of these Chief answers before rendering any judgments today. But it occurs to me that if Font is a wolf, she may have hoped that a dead villager Martin would clear up the question of what happened between the two of them. Until we killed one of them, the question would remain if they were both wolves, so she may have targeted Martin hoping that we would then move on to other lynch targets. I can't think of a better reason for a Martin kill. If a villager Martin really did protect a wolf Font, then they would be worried that, as Font has claimed we should have done, we will lynch Font to find out Martin's alignment. A kill would avoid that.

timmae

04-23-2015, 09:29 AM

Autumn

04-23-2015, 09:35 AM

Who is the 4th person that was added to your list above? You mention those are the 3 you will be looking at. 4 names.

Oh I don't know why I said three. I kept flipping back and forth from my good/bad list to the voting record, so I may have realized I forgot one after writing that.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 09:37 AM

Can you quote that post? I don't remember anyone explicitly asking Chief about this, but it is key.

My post #'s are screwed up because I'm viewing latest on top, but this was from 4/21 7:54pm Central. Emphasis mine:

Hunters can't shoot and kill other Hunters without dying, and Dukes can't Duke to other Dukes without dying.

MrBug708

04-23-2015, 09:37 AM

Thinking that way, looking at the Martin voters, a lot of them are on my good list. The ones that are not are Raven, Cheekimonk, EagleFan and Timmae. So those are three I'll be looking at closer today.

I don't like that Mr. Bug has two outlier votes in two days.

Who should I have voted for on the first day? That is essentially a crapshoot vote. I stand by my second day vote as a vote that didn't lynch someone.

They might be outlier votes but votes on the first two days aren't that insightful, especially in this game. But I really am just digesting much of the info here as its been 2 years since I've played.

I can't offer up much more than that as a defense

Autumn

04-23-2015, 09:51 AM

Bug, I understand that legit voting can end up leaving you on outliers. I'm just pointing it out as a trend--if it continues it begins to look like a way to avoid any bad reads.

timmae

04-23-2015, 10:02 AM

Here's where I am at.

Good - Font/martin (until proven otherwise with CC or ?), brit (content, hunting tone), ef (responses are similar to good ef weird D1 but more normal now)

Neutral - shoveler (active with content but not sure on reads), narc (pushing font/martin wagon), autumn (mentions looking elsewhere for evil but keeps going back to font/martin)

Slight evil - jackal (didn't like his D1, liked D2, now not sure), raven (looking for more content here), cheeki (seems to be all over the place), grover (need content/reads)

No read/absent - mrbug

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 10:05 AM

Morning folks!

It was a hard shift at the night job, so I haven't looked at a thing yet since I left the office yesterday.

So I am going through things and responding to questions or PMs now.

I'll get a vote count up, too.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 10:08 AM

autumn (mentions looking elsewhere for evil but keeps going back to font/martin)

I think that's a bit of a stretch. I spent the morning looking at the font/martin thing, and still have probably posted less about it than most people in the game. I spent all of yesterday actively looking elsewhere, and have probably posted more reads than anybody. That seems like an easy brush to try to paint me with given my morning's posts.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 10:09 AM

I would love to hear critique of my theories this morning. At this point I'm having a hard time not seeing Martin as village, and not seeing Font as cultist or wolf. But I'd love to hear other takes on it, show me where I'm wrong.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 10:13 AM

Slight evil - jackal (didn't like his D1, liked D2, now not sure)

just chuckling that you liked my D2 when i didn't make a post.. kind of curious

timmae

04-23-2015, 10:20 AM

just chuckling that you liked my D2 when i didn't make a post.. kind of curious

Tuesday night is the beginning of D2, right? I know that the afternoon lynch throws people off.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 10:21 AM

A) I don't want to spend another day sorting out the font/MartinD/Vaimes situation...but the attempted NK on Martin kind of forces the issue.
B) It's really confusing that font could claim Duke enough to convince Vaimes (and me & Narc when Narc picked out the D1 post as evidence), then come back after silence screaming, "Hunter!!"
C) The targeting of Martin for NK is either noob mistake or wolf strategy, and I really doubt the former. The best possible explanation I've read so far is Autumn's recent post. But I was suspicious of Autumn yesterday and that hasn't gone away.

I'm watching others including timmae & Raven. I still can't stop talking myself into holes (hurting my teams in my first 3 games) so I should shut up, but I'll put one on the board:

vote fontisian

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 10:25 AM

If they thought you were a cultist then none of the wolves are paying attention because were you a cultist you would have been lynched. You wouldn't be able to duke the vote.

Chief - are there any condition whereby the cultist could duke the vote if they were duke faction?

A Duke Cultist would have all the appearances and effects of Stuttering Sam.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 10:26 AM

Tuesday night is the beginning of D2, right? I know that the afternoon lynch throws people off.

Yeah I suppose so :)

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 10:27 AM

A Duke Cultist would have all the appearances and effects of Stuttering Sam.

That actually clears it up a LOT to me. Thanks, Chief!

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 10:29 AM

Chief - if a hunter kill on another hunter was blocked by the medic would the shooting hunter die?

A Hunter will die if he shoots and kills another Hunter.

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 10:35 AM

Okay, turns out this is the only response to that idea, and I don't think it's convincing.

Chief: Are night kill targets told that they were targeted, even if they survive?

I'll put it this way. If someone comes to murder you, you will know it.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 10:38 AM

I'll put it this way. If someone comes to murder you, you will know it.

Is that a threat?! :-)

Autumn

04-23-2015, 10:38 AM

Well, that sounds convincing. In which case I believe Martin, and will clear him in my book. And I have to think this paints Font poorly, and not in a "I've been set up by wolves to look bad" sort of way.

<b>vote fontisian</b>

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 10:44 AM

Vote Font

I'm still up for shooting her, but there is the chance that I am the blank. I have to agree that it's more than likely font is a duke, so I'm willing to bet I dont take us both out.

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 10:48 AM

Everyone is going about their business in the village, but the tension is palpable.

Sideways glances, gun barrel stroking, crackling of knuckles, unconscious displays of stunted aggression are evident everywhere.

MartinD gets many looks. So does fontisian. And Autumn. But someone no one was looking at was the one who broke the silence.

"You greedy, oil grubbing BASTAAARRRRRDDDD!!" EagleFan screams. He pulls out his rifle from under a haystack and aims and fires. freezing everyone in place.

MartinD was very close to EagleFan, not more than 20 feet away. EagleFan couldn't miss. MartinD took the shot right through the heart. He was dead before he hit the ground.

The rifle shot fades into the swampy surroundings.

MARTIND was a DUKE and was formerly the MEDIC. He was a regular villager with no villager role.

EAGLEFAN is a Hunter and has used his shot.

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 10:57 AM

Day Three Vote Tally (as of Post #808)

fontisian (3)-- cheekimonk (799), Autumn (806), Shoveler (807)

Yet to Vote: The huddled masses

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 10:57 AM

WTF?

timmae

04-23-2015, 10:58 AM

That's one way to play it. Wtf? Care to explain ef? I don't like this play on the basis it is another vaimes scenario. Shoot first and ask questions later. Is this typical for hunter roles?

fontisian

04-23-2015, 11:00 AM

EF is scum with Autumn. No townie ever steals the shot from me and then uses it on Martin of all people.

MartinD

04-23-2015, 11:02 AM

Well, I guess that was pretty much inevitable... (I was fully expecting to not be alive when I woke up this morning :p )

fontisian

04-23-2015, 11:06 AM

Oh, and I don't understand how anyone could possibly think either of us was a wolf. Martin was the uncounterclaimed protect and I would never shoot Martin as a wolf.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:07 AM

Vote EF

Grover

04-23-2015, 11:09 AM

EF is scum with Autumn. No townie ever steals the shot from me and then uses it on Martin of all people.

Not discounting your first sentence.

But on the second sentence reads a little arrogant? Why does someone have to wait for you to take a shot first? Regardless of who they shot, they are not 'stealing' it from you if you didn't get the command in first.

That being said... I agree with you and feel that he and EF are working in concert. But I want an explanation from EF to explain why he chose to shoot Martin before I lay a vote down on anybody.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 11:10 AM

Well, that doesn't make EF look good, but he's a vet so he had to know that...so not sure what to make of it.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 11:12 AM

EF is scum with Autumn. No townie ever steals the shot from me and then uses it on Martin of all people.

EF would know that, too, just as you do. It would make EF's shot a misdirection play when votes are piling up on you which, at this point, is as plausible an explanation as any.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:12 AM

Oh, and I don't understand how anyone could possibly think either of us was a wolf. Martin was the uncounterclaimed protect and I would never shoot Martin as a wolf.

I'm not sure how any of what has happened clears you as a wolf. You were a legitimate medic target based on what Vaimes was saying D1. Now that we know for sure that Martin was a villager, we can truly believe what he said when he said it was mostly random.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 11:13 AM

I absolutely would not have wasted my morning on figuring out the Martin issue if I knew EF was going to kill him. I wonder if EF is a wolf, and the wolves were figuring Martin was the bodyguard, and this was a quick way to get rid of him without using another night kill. EF would have to be pretty confident he can talk himself out of a lynch though.

fontisian

04-23-2015, 11:15 AM

Not discounting your first sentence.

But on the second sentence reads a little arrogant? Why does someone have to wait for you to take a shot first? Regardless of who they shot, they are not 'stealing' it from you if you didn't get the command in first.

That being said... I agree with you and feel that he and EF are working in concert. But I want an explanation from EF to explain why he chose to shoot Martin before I lay a vote down on anybody.
If EF thinks I'm scum, then he respects my request to shoot and hopes I end up killing myself. Stepping in to shoot someone who is 1.going to be cleared by my death and 2.guaranteed not to kill him is scummy as fuck.

I said I was going to shoot Autumn. EF shot first to prevent that from happening. They both need to die.

Vote: EF

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:15 AM

Chief, will it be announced if an item was used?

fontisian

04-23-2015, 11:16 AM

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:16 AM

I'm asking because I'm thinking about putting together a list to see how many potential kills and dukes there are left out there.

fontisian

04-23-2015, 11:17 AM

I'm not sure how any of what has happened clears you as a wolf. You were a legitimate medic target based on what Vaimes was saying D1. Now that we know for sure that Martin was a villager, we can truly believe what he said when he said it was mostly random.
Why would I ever try to kill Martin? If I'm scum, and I get lynched, then I can count on the town to proceed to waste a lynch or shot on him, as long as I don't waste a shot on him first.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:19 AM

Why would I ever try to kill Martin? If I'm scum, and I get lynched, then I can count on the town to proceed to waste a lynch or shot on him, as long as I don't waste a shot on him first.

Well first off, it would presumably be a wolf team decision, not a lone wolf decision.. unless you are the cultist. So you're basically saying that the kill attempt on Martin suggests you are unlikely to be a wolf because of the connection it'd draw to you?

fontisian

04-23-2015, 11:20 AM

Well first off, it would presumably be a wolf team decision, not a lone wolf decision.. unless you are the cultist. So you're basically saying that the kill attempt on Martin suggests you are unlikely to be a wolf because of the connection it'd draw to you?
No.

I am saying that if I am a wolf, Martin becomes an easy mislynch down the line and there's no reason to shoot him.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:20 AM

And the scenario you are proposing is that as a wolf/wolf team you would have left Martin alone because if you got lynched then we'd go after him next? I'm not following

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:21 AM

The amount of misdirection it has caused is plenty of reason to shoot him. The wolves knew he was a villager and may have assumed he'd be essentially cleared. That said, he was still a weird target when there's a seer out there.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 11:22 AM

EF would know that, too, just as you do. It would make EF's shot a misdirection play when votes are piling up on you which, at this point, is as plausible an explanation as any.

So, you think he's scum, and you don't want to lynch him? What?

Where did I say I don't want to lynch him? I have to be argued off you first and that will involve watching the analysis from people much more adept at this than me.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 11:22 AM

Why would I ever try to kill Martin? If I'm scum, and I get lynched, then I can count on the town to proceed to waste a lynch or shot on him, as long as I don't waste a shot on him first.

And if you're wolf and he gets lynched/killed, that makes you look less suspect. I am more suspicious about the fact that you act oblivious to that than the idea itself. A wolf doesn't count on getting lynched, a wolf tries to stay alive. Plan A would be to get Martin dead before you.

EagleFan

04-23-2015, 11:22 AM

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:23 AM

Eh, I don't think I'm going to be moving my vote. If you are a villager, that was not the best idea

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:24 AM

Please feel free to expand on who I should vote instead of you

fontisian

04-23-2015, 11:24 AM

And if you're wolf and he gets lynched/killed, that makes you look less suspect. I am more suspicious about the fact that you act oblivious to that than the idea itself. A wolf doesn't count on getting lynched, a wolf tries to stay alive. Plan A would be to get Martin dead before you.
...

Uh, no? Martin being town really doesn't make me look better, but then there's no actual case against me beyond the odds anyway.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:25 AM

I think the main thing that might be raising eyebrows is the certainty with which you're saying that there's no way you could be a wolf based on what happened with Martin. I think it's pretty clear that that's not certain at all.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 11:27 AM

I let font get under my skin and I wasn't sold on the idea that he knew that he was attacked. He was a safe target and I fully expected to see a wolf result which would have meant font was wolf two. Took a hero shot and failed miserably. I am fine with facing my punishment. I have been useless anyway.

EF, no offense but it just doesn't make sense that a player like you would do such a thing.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 11:27 AM

fontisian

04-23-2015, 11:27 AM

No, that's clearly not what's making people suspicious, as I'm just bringing it up now and people have wanted to lynch me all Day.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 11:29 AM

EagleFan has been pretty busy and distracted all game, and having been a wolf with him before, I could see him deciding to take one for the team, take a possible bodyguard out, and distract the village, if he doesn't feel he can put enough effort in. So I think that's a possibility.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 11:29 AM

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 11:31 AM

No, that's clearly not what's making people suspicious, as I'm just bringing it up now and people have wanted to lynch me all Day.

People could have been suspicious of you before, and now more suspicious for an additional reason. That's where I fall.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:33 AM

8 hunters
-1 for the blank
-1 for vaimes
-1 for EF
5 living hunters, including the blank and EF .. suggests up to 3 kills left

--

8 dukes
-1 for sam
-1 for martin
7 living dukes .. suggests up to 6 dukes left

--

So we're looking at up to 3 kills and up to 6 dukes. Take one out of those 9 because of the cultist, who can't do either - 8 actions (2 or 3 kills, 5 or 6 dukes). Then there's the items:

Vest: Could block one kill
Clip: Adds one kill into the mix (9 actions, 3 or 4 kills, 5 or 6 dukes)
Laser: Won't affect # of actions
Mirror: Could block one kill
Camo: Could stop a kill or duke
Bullhorn: Could stop a duke or just switch it

So, I'm seeing up to 9 actions - 3 or 4 kills and 5 or 6 dukes remaining, assuming that the wolves and seer/BG all get a hunter/duke ability as well. Rest depends on who has the items and a bit of luck.

Grover

04-23-2015, 11:33 AM

vote EF

Story doesn't hold up. I really dislike font's story too, but EF seems infinitely more wolfish at the moment. I was pretty damn certain MartinD was village, potentially the Bodyguard. I'm thinking EF thought that he could have been the BG as well. Protected last night and knew it, which is apparently rare? I'm guessing EF, as a wolf, was taking a flier on MartinD being the BG and wanted to kill him off before he could protect a potential NK target tonight.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 11:36 AM

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 11:36 AM

Chief, will it be announced if an item was used?

Yes.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:39 AM

Thanks for doing this. I think you missed JAG as a (dead) hunter?

Is my math off? I didn't deduct 1 for JAG/Zinto because they didn't use their kill, but out of the 5 living hunters there should be up to 3 kills left because EF used his and the blank is still out there.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:40 AM

So in that sense me having vaimes up there as -1 doesn't really apply - but bottom line is the 3 kills left as a starting point there. let me know if that doesn't make sense

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 11:42 AM

I'm guessing EF, as a wolf, was taking a flier on MartinD being the BG and wanted to kill him off before he could protect a potential NK target tonight.

That makes a lot of sense and is hard to dismiss.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:44 AM

That makes a lot of sense and is hard to dismiss.

And it also prevents any other hunters from taking a shot today.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:45 AM

It's kinda scary how many dukes are left, honestly

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 11:50 AM

Day Three Vote Tally (as of Post #851)

EagleFan (3)-- The Jackal (815), fontisian (821), Grover (844)
fontisian (3)-- cheekimonk (799), Autumn (806), Shoveler (807)

Yet to Vote: timmae, Raven, EagleFan, britrock88, Narcizo, MrBug708

Autumn

04-23-2015, 11:50 AM

Is my math off? I didn't deduct 1 for JAG/Zinto because they didn't use their kill, but out of the 5 living hunters there should be up to 3 kills left because EF used his and the blank is still out there.

The math is probably fine, I just noticed he wasn't on the list.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:54 AM

The math is probably fine, I just noticed he wasn't on the list.

yeah in that respect Zinto isn't on the list either, I put vaimes down there as -1 because he actually used his kill but he isn't alive either.. so it's moot.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 11:54 AM

This seems like it could be an interesting vote.. which is better than yesterday

Grover

04-23-2015, 12:08 PM

And it also prevents any other hunters from taking a shot today.

Excellent addition. That had slipped my mind. But EF's play completely blocks font from taking a shot at someone until tomorrow at the earliest.

EagleFan

04-23-2015, 12:10 PM

We probably want a third option. Ideas?

Autumn

04-23-2015, 12:11 PM

Which, since I was her target, I know to be a pro-village move. I think it's possible EF's story is the truth, he hasn't been following along as closely and maybe didn't buy the blocked kill story, which many of us didn't at first. Unfortunately, killing someone it seems the wolves are also trying to kill doesn't give you a great look.

timmae

04-23-2015, 12:12 PM

Vaimes took a shot to clear possible villagers. EF took a shot on a known duke which cost us a villager.

vote Eaglefan

EagleFan

04-23-2015, 12:14 PM

Known duke does not equal known villager.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 12:15 PM

We probably want a third option. Ideas?

My suspect list right now goes, outside of Font and EF, from most suspicious to least:

Timmae
Raven
cheekimonk
Grover

Grover

04-23-2015, 12:21 PM

We probably want a third option. Ideas?

Self preservation much?

Raven

04-23-2015, 12:21 PM

So Martin is def not the Cultist, since he duked, and Cultist does not have that ability.

Since the bg is a village role - wolves would not target wolf Martin in hopes that bg would be guarding him.

This means Martin is confirmed village, and isn't lying about being protected last night. Also means Cultist was not converted last night.

Or, you know, he could just be making up the story.

He was clearly not the Cultist because he Duked.
If he was a wolf, he would not have been targeted by wolves, so bg would not have saved him.

If he lied, he is a wolf. A scan would have revealed it, unless he was Cunning. So the only reason to lie would be if he was Cunning.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 12:22 PM

We probably want a third option. Ideas?

Maybe you're a disengaged/busy villager, it happens to the best of us, but you know that we want YOU to give us ideas, so that people can look at your reasoning, etc.

EagleFan

04-23-2015, 12:32 PM

I gave reasoning and was shouted down. Right about now I've got nothing. I trust only Autumn so far.

Don't turn your back on font.

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 12:32 PM

I hate this game. What a waste of a lot of my day.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 12:33 PM

I hate this game. What a waste of a lot of my day.

Life's too short to worry about it

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 12:33 PM

Don't turn your back on font.

Not planning on it

Grover

04-23-2015, 12:38 PM

I hate this game. What a waste of a lot of my day.

Shut up, you love it.

MrBug708

04-23-2015, 12:44 PM

vote EF

Pretty much guessed MartinD was a villager but it was my first time playing with him and didn't think he was bold enough to be a wolf.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 12:48 PM

I think I'm staying where I am. I could go with EF, but haven't been convinced to come off font, either. The duke/hunter analysis above makes me think there's going to be a duke today in any case.

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 12:52 PM

Hats off to the bodyguard. Dunno how you called that. I really don't want to vote or even think about this. For what its worth (very little) I think I believe Eagle. I don't see why a wolf-Eagle takes that shot. Why draw attention to himself? I can see village-Wolf doing it. Then again I couldn't see village-Martin duking to Vaimes. So what do I know? Also if the wolves think Martin was the bodyguard why didn't they just night kill him again? Absolutely no reason for them to expose themselves just to take him out.

Reasons why wolves tried to kill Martin
a) Prove his innocence so wolf-font doesn't have to be killed
b) Assuming he was going to duke to a wolf, thus clearing himself. Probably wolf-Autumn.
c) weird stuff that apparently the bodyguard has insight into but I don't.

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 12:59 PM

Day Three Vote Tally (as of Post #871)

EagleFan (5)-- The Jackal (815), fontisian (821), Grover (844), timmae (859), MrBug708 (870)
fontisian (3)-- cheekimonk (799), Autumn (806), Shoveler (807)

Yet to Vote: Raven, EagleFan, britrock88, Narcizo

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 01:04 PM

I'm not totally thrilled at the group of people voting for EF with me at the moment..

Any thoughts, brit/raven?

Autumn

04-23-2015, 01:06 PM

The most obvious answer just hit me in the face. Wolves kill Martin because they figure he's the least likely to be protected by the bodyguard. We're having to stretch ourselves so hard to figure out why he would be killed ... maybe that's why he was killed.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 01:07 PM

Interesting take, Autumn

Autumn

04-23-2015, 01:11 PM

Reasons why wolves tried to kill Martin
a) Prove his innocence so wolf-font doesn't have to be killed
b) Assuming he was going to duke to a wolf, thus clearing himself. Probably wolf-Autumn.
c) weird stuff that apparently the bodyguard has insight into but I don't.

I would add

D) trying to hit the cultist, suggesting a wolf-font.
E) Trying to avoid the bodyguard.
F) Thinking he was seer, suggesting a villager-font.

MrBug708

04-23-2015, 01:11 PM

Grover

04-23-2015, 01:12 PM

I could go along with your area sons but I want to hear more explanation from EF. Maybe he'd just trying to kill off Dukes?

You want to hear more from EF on this, but why are you giving him a potential explanation in the process?

MrBug708

04-23-2015, 01:17 PM

Seems very antivillager then

Raven

04-23-2015, 01:30 PM

I'm not totally thrilled at the group of people voting for EF with me at the moment..

Any thoughts, brit/raven?

I'm still processing all this. Looking for some motive.
I realize I need to move on this quickly, because time is ticking.

I don't know why EF would target Martin, when he was arguing with font directly. He could have easily realized that Martin was likely not a wolf based on the previous NK actions. I have pretty much spelled out why Martin was most likely not a wolf.

Only thing I can come up with is that EF targeted a known Duke so he wouldn't kill himself if targeting a hunter. (Which others are also saying). But that of course puts EF in the spotlight. IF EF was a wolf, only reason he would be OK with spotlighting himself is if he was Brutal? Which means wolves would (potentially) get 3 kills today (Martin, EF's Brutal kill at lynch, and a NK).

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 01:38 PM

Third day of this, so you all should be used to this now... I am headed to lunch! Be back in an hour.

Raven

04-23-2015, 01:44 PM

Thinking about it some more, EF being Brutal doesn't make sense to me.
Assume we started with 3 wolves.

That means 3 wolves and 9 villagers remain.
If EF was brutal, it seems too early to spotlight himself.
Otherwise he gets possibly lynched and takes out someone with him, then wolves NK tonight. (All this assuming no Dukes). That then leaves 2 wolves and 7 villagers.

Just seems too early for that play to be used by the Brutal.

EagleFan

04-23-2015, 02:01 PM

I pretty much stated my reasons. Thought I was going to look really good with that move but instead I put as all further behind the eightball. I put the request in last night and thought I would see good news this morning.

It was a screw up, big time.

I will try to get it on from my laptop if I can.

Narcizo

04-23-2015, 02:15 PM

So we're currently 8:3:1 I guess. If we miss then we're probably 6:3:1 unless we have MVB evah. If the wolves have all their powers left we're boned. That alone would explain Eagle taking the kill. Maybe they're playing endgame already. As the village is whittled away there's increasingly more chance of the wolves getting items.

I can't see a third candidate emerging. Dunno who it would be anyway. If we lynch village then the seer and bodyguard probably should reveal tomorrow, if they're still alive. And the vote should be left in the hands of any cleared that emerge. If the seer is a hunter he might want to make his best shot as early as possible.

Of the two on the table I'll

vote fontisian

britrock88

04-23-2015, 02:27 PM

Sorry to be totally absent--been swamped at work.

Nothing leaps to mind to explain EF's shot at Martin other than the explanation he gave us--which is that he was just reading Martin as bad and wanted to take his chance. The time lag between order and execution may mean that information we're taking for granted was not something EF had to rely upon in deciding to use his shot. Not that I mean any of this to be exonerating.

At this point, our track record with hunters' shots makes me wary of our continued use of them. Font is, for her part, on the warpath to shoot Autumn. I'm not terribly fond of the idea.

vote Fontisian

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 02:30 PM

that puts us at 5/5.. with two votes remaining

Raven

04-23-2015, 02:34 PM

EF and I are the two remaining votes then...

Raven

04-23-2015, 02:35 PM

And since EF will def vote font and if I vote EF then I create a tie. So my only vote (unless someone switches), will be to vote font.

Raven

04-23-2015, 02:45 PM

I am assuming the Cultist knows who the wolves are?

If I vote Font, and font ends up Wolf...
Grover, timmae, The Jackal - are the wolves and cultist.
MrBug is the only other possibility, but he voted font on day1.

If EF is a wolf.
The wolf/cultist possibilities are Shoveler, cheeki, Autum, britrock, Narcizo.

Since EF will be voting font, my hands are tied...
vote fontisian

Autumn

04-23-2015, 02:47 PM

Don't discount the possibility of wolves voting wolves, Raven, either when it doesn't matter or when it's a runaway. It's a common strategy to earn trust later. That's actually why I suspected JAG early on day one because I thought he might have been putting a vote on a possible wolf cheekimonk only to take it off later.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 02:49 PM

Especially when the odds of a duke happening are pretty high no matter what .. that's why I was saying on D1 that vote analysis won't be as useful this game.

Raven

04-23-2015, 02:51 PM

Autumn

04-23-2015, 02:55 PM

I'm not including runaways, so don't think that applies here.

Yeah sorry, I just meant generally.

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 02:55 PM

I'm back. Doing a vote tally.

britrock88

04-23-2015, 02:55 PM

Especially when the odds of a duke happening are pretty high no matter what .. that's why I was saying on D1 that vote analysis won't be as useful this game.

Circled back around. Yep, certainly can't rule this out.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 02:55 PM

No EF vote. That bodes well that he is probably just a villager.

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 02:58 PM

I mean, if we're in a tie, I generally can't in good conscience support that

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 02:59 PM

Seems like it's 6-5 for font

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 02:59 PM

Day Three Vote Tally (as of Post #895)

fontisian (6)-- cheekimonk (799), Autumn (806), Shoveler (807), Narcizo (885), britrock88 (886), Raven (890)
EagleFan (5)-- The Jackal (815), fontisian (821), Grover (844), timmae (859), MrBug708 (870)

Yet to Vote: EagleFan

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 02:59 PM

unvote EF
vote font

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 02:59 PM

No shenanigans

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 03:00 PM

Unless you count duking as a shenanigan, in which case there may very well be shenanigans

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 03:00 PM

ALLAH AKBAR!!!

http://imgur.com/cHYv4JK

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 03:00 PM

Um, that's concerning.

Raven

04-23-2015, 03:01 PM

^^ if font is a wolf, The Jackal is still likely a wolf, despite his switch!

britrock88

04-23-2015, 03:01 PM

highly anxious and entertained all at once

The Jackal

04-23-2015, 03:01 PM

^^ if font is a wolf, The Jackal is still likely a wolf, despite his switch!

Based on Shoveler's post it sounds like we may have just hit endgame.

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 03:02 PM

DEADLINE

britrock88

04-23-2015, 03:02 PM

Seems early for endgame, no?

MartinD

04-23-2015, 03:03 PM

:popcorn:

Popcorn-munching zombie watching with interest...

Grover

04-23-2015, 03:03 PM

ALLAH AKBAR!!!

http://imgur.com/cHYv4JK

Hahahahha

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 03:04 PM

FINAL Day Three Vote Tally

fontisian (7)-- cheekimonk (799), Autumn (806), Shoveler (807), Narcizo (885), britrock88 (886), Raven (890), The Jackal (901)
EagleFan (4)-- fontisian (821), Grover (844), timmae (859), MrBug708 (870)

Yet to Vote: EagleFan

Raven

04-23-2015, 03:05 PM

F5 F5 F5 F5 F5....

Grover

04-23-2015, 03:11 PM

F5 F5 F5 F5 F5....

Maybe try Alt+F4 to see if that helps ;)

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 03:12 PM

Writing up lynch results.

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 03:29 PM

The late day shooting of MartinD has the village scrambling.

Everyone, Hunters and Dukes alike, gather in the town square, yelling at each other and accusing nearly everyone else of horrible crimes. You would have thought oil profiteers were hiding behind every door and in every gator pool.

Many villagers leaped to hold EagleFan, the erstwhile killer of MartinD. EagleFan seems apologetic, saying he thought MartinD was an oil profiteer. That did little to mollify his accusers.

But then others stood up for EagleFan, saying he would not do this without good cause. He is not innocent, just wrong! they say.

So attention turns to the one everyone looked at from the start. The one most sure of herself. The loudest. The most opinionated.

The villagers leap upon fontisian and hold her fast, preparing to introduce her to a gator's sharp jaws.

"No! She is not an oil profiteer!" Shoveler cries out. "Don't make this mistake! Fontisian may irritate you all with her confidence and no holds barred approach, but she is on our side!"

The villagers, as always so easily swayed, consider his plea. Voices cry out, "Then who, Shoveler? Who?"

"Him!" Shoveler says, pointing at timmae. timmae roots into place, barely understanding what has happened. A villager steps up before he can start to move and shoots him between the forehead!

timmae falls to the ground, body convulsing. He is shortly dead.

What have we done? the villagers ask themselves. Others kneel down beside his body to search him. In his backpocket, they find some papers.

Pulling them out, the Hunters have never seen papers like these. But the Dukes have. They are stock certificates from British Petroleum!! They are signed over to timmae!!

Timmae was an oil profiteer!!

TIMMAE was a Hunter and the Peacemaker. He was the Cunning Wolf.

SHOVELER is a Duke, and has used his Duke ability.

britrock88

04-23-2015, 03:30 PM

Maybe try Alt+F4 to see if that helps ;)

Reminds me of the tyranny of CTRL+TAB being adjacent to CTRL+Q...

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 03:30 PM

Running night actions.

britrock88

04-23-2015, 03:31 PM

Whoa!

britrock88

04-23-2015, 03:32 PM

(Lol, need to be quiet, sorry.)

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 03:56 PM

All PMs finally sent. Writing up night the night results.

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 04:02 PM

There is much satisfaction throughout the village at the death of timmae. Shoveler gets drunk as snot from all the moonshine sent his way. That just means he got drunk off other people's stuff instead of his own like normal.

Everyone knows there are still oil profiteers in town. But for tonight, it feels like a night of celebration. Everyone goes to bed and sleeps peacefully for the first time in days.

When the sun comes up, it feels like life may be returning to normal. Eggs are gathered, firewood is chopped, yards are starting to be ranked and cleaned.

Suddenly, a villager comes running into the town square, calling alarm!

He calls out from everyone to follow him. Soon, he is at The Jackal's door, hanging wide open.

"We were supposedta go gator huntin' today!" says the villager breathlessly. He almost seems weepy. He doesn't say another word.

You all peek in and see what he has found. The Jackal lies dead, face down on his lone table in his shack. He has been strangled!!

THE JACKAL was a HUNTER with no role, and a normal villager.

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 04:03 PM

Deadline for Day Four is 4 p.m. EST/1 p.m. PDT Friday.

Hunters may commence shooting.

Raven

04-23-2015, 04:07 PM

Going back and rereading Timmae's posts, here is where I am at...
I feel good about Grover, cheeki, Autumn and obviously Shoveler.

There just aren't enough combos of people that could be aligned with font, so font is also cleared in my mind.

Likely wolf/cultist remaining...
EF, Brit, Narc, Bug

Raven

04-23-2015, 04:11 PM

vote britrock

Raven

04-23-2015, 04:16 PM

My reasoning...

Here's where I am at.

Good - Font/martin (until proven otherwise with CC or ?), brit (content, hunting tone), ef (responses are similar to good ef weird D1 but more normal now)

Neutral - shoveler (active with content but not sure on reads), narc (pushing font/martin wagon), autumn (mentions looking elsewhere for evil but keeps going back to font/martin)

Slight evil - jackal (didn't like his D1, liked D2, now not sure), raven (looking for more content here), cheeki (seems to be all over the place), grover (need content/reads)

No read/absent - mrbug

Ok, long day at work. Did a quick reread to get up to date. I like what I have seen from font, narc, shoveler, Brit, EF and jag. Vaimes seems like normal vaimes. Cheeki, Grover and raven to a smaller extent seem a bit quiet but I havent read them well and/or they have been in tough positions the last few games. Jackal seems the most pingy so far.

unvote cheeki
Vote jackal

Autumn

04-23-2015, 04:23 PM

Autumn

04-23-2015, 04:23 PM

For now...

<b>Vote Fontisian</b>

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 04:27 PM

Well I'm honestly surprised to still be alive and kicking.. Odds were that timmae was a duke..

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 04:29 PM

Good news is that there aren't many hunters left, so the wolf dukes dont have many safe options. Since we dont think a conversion has happened yet, they likely have 1 duke/1 hunter, or 2 dukes.

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 04:32 PM

I was pretty suspect of Timmae, though I'm surprised Shoveler was sure enough to duke out of the blue. It was a good thing though, catching the cunning like that is a stroke of luck, leaving our seer a clear playing field.

I felt very good about Jackal, so sorry to see him go. Probably special hunting there.

Font is still my main target. Problem with Timmae being gone is he was my next go-to and I'm not sure who is at the top of my list now. Going to look back later tonight.

I had been trying to hold myself out as a hunter (perhaps to obviously) since yesterday evening. I was hoping that if font was a duke she would duke to me while I duked to my primary suspect.. 50/50 on the lynch, but font would have died in the process so we would have found out her alignment.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 04:33 PM

I glossed over the fact that Timmae was Peacemaker at first reading. So both the faction roles are gone. Makes things slightly simpler at least.

Grover

04-23-2015, 04:37 PM

Crap about Jackal, but awesome job Shoveler!

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 04:38 PM

Day One

Zinto (7)-- Narcizo (108), The Jackal (283), Vaimes (312), JAG (316), fontisian (321), Grover (326), Autumn (343)
The Jackal (5)-- Raven (106), timmae (154), britrock88 (317), Shoveler (327), MartinD (358)
Vaimes (1)-- cheekimonk (293)
timmae (1)-- EagleFan (82)
fontisian (1)-- MrBug708 (178)

Day Two

MartinD (8)-- timmae (495), EagleFan (500), Raven (595), britrock88 (608), cheekimonk (611), Autumn (621), Narcizo (637), Shoveler (644)
Autumn (3) -- Grover (598), MrBug708 (629), MartinD (632)

No Vote: The Jackal, Vaimes
Unable to Vote: fontisian

Day Three

fontisian (7)-- cheekimonk (799), Autumn (806), Shoveler (807), Narcizo (885), britrock88 (886), Raven (890), The Jackal (901)
EagleFan (4)-- fontisian (821), Grover (844), timmae (859), MrBug708 (870)

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 04:38 PM

put myself in green, as technically you cant clear me of being a wolf.

Grover

04-23-2015, 05:03 PM

vote britrock

Convince me

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:15 PM

Ok. I think the seer should claim now.

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:26 PM

Raven, Bug and Grover are probably town due to their vote placement near timmae.

Raven

04-23-2015, 05:28 PM

Convince me

Start by rereading post 927, knowing Timmae was a wolf.
If you were a wolf would you be casting your teammates as slightly evil and too quiet and potentially draw suspicion to them, or would it be far more logical to cast them as good/neutral?

So this makes me lean Grover, cheeki, Autumn are all village. We also have to believe Shoveler is pretty much cleared now.

Leaving: EF, font, brit, narc, bug.

EF and font have been at each other's throats all game. Now that obviously doesn't eliminate them both as wolves, but makes it more likely that they are not aligned.

With Day 3 voting being so close (before I voted, EF didn't vote and Jackal switching)
EagleFan (5)-- The Jackal (815), fontisian (821), Grover (844), timmae (859), MrBug708 (870)
fontisian (5)-- cheekimonk (799), Autumn (806), Shoveler (807), narc, britrock

It's most likely that anyone a wolf would not be voting for EF if he was a wolf, because he himself has no Duke power.

So if EF is a wolf - font, grover and bug are not. Leaving narc and brit (since I already decided to favor with cheeki, Autumn, Shoveler). Plus why would timmae vote fellow wolf?

Now that leaves font as a wolf with Duke powers.
font as a wolf Hunter.
font as a villager.

if font was a wolf - narc and brit do not have to jump on the end and could have voted EF, allowing font to remain out of the running (or not force her to use Duke powers, if she has them).
If font had wolf duke powers, and was working with wolf Shoveler, then she could have used hers and allowed Shoveler to save his.

There's probably more that I am leaving out, but this obviously gets very convoluted when you consider all the Duke possibilities.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 05:32 PM

Autumn leans much more town than she did which, following convos, puts me on Narc (I've had them pegged as non-aligned since D2). Still wary of EF and font.

vote Narc

Raven

04-23-2015, 05:33 PM

Since I suspect both narc and brit, I have no issues switching to Narc if he gets another vote. Both narc or brit would be a good vote today imo.

Raven

04-23-2015, 05:35 PM

Honestly, I'd prefer one of the hunters just shoot one of them (narc/brit) ASAP, so we can find out if one is a wolf and lynch the other.

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 05:36 PM

going to have to take a lot of time to consider everything. hopefully the remaining(?) wolf hunter will shoot me and I wont have to fry my brain.

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:39 PM

Autumn

04-23-2015, 05:40 PM

Honestly, I'd prefer one of the hunters just shoot one of them (narc/brit) ASAP, so we can find out if one is a wolf and lynch the other.

I actually think Narc and Brit are the two worst options right now, below Shoveler.

Raven

04-23-2015, 05:41 PM

The other possibility is font/timmae/grover/MrBug as wolf/cultist.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 05:41 PM

I mean, it's extremely likely that either Narcizo or Autumn is scum. I've already shot Autumn (as he's the harder lynch and his flip condemns EF), so hopefully that will hit as soon as Chief is done processing.

I sure hope you are bluffing, as another villager shooting could cost us the game.

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 05:42 PM

it's very possible one of the last two hunters is the blank.

Raven

04-23-2015, 05:42 PM

I actually think Narc and Brit are the two worst options right now, below Shoveler.

Why?

Autumn

04-23-2015, 05:44 PM

The other possibility is font/timmae/grover/MrBug as wolf/cultist.

I think given Font's repeated attempts to shoot me, without any village guidance at all, make this the strongest case. After all the ways we've been screwed so far by Hunters, I can't see how anyone can look at her as a villager at this point with her still pushing this path.

Chief Rum

04-23-2015, 05:44 PM

"Wait a sec...", Fontisian says, as everyone gathers in front of The Jackal. "I can figure this out."

She stands there, visibly pondering as the village looks on.

"If Shoveler can figure this out, I can," she said. "He was certain about timmae, and timmae was on my list, too. But I am twice as sure about this one! So I must be right!"

Without further warning, she snaps her rifle up to her shoulder and turns to point it at Autumn. There is a look fo shock on Autumn's face.

"What are you doing?" he asks, incredulously.

"You're a wolf," Fontisian says, creepily calm and assured. The rifle barrel doesn't quiver even a little. "I know it."

"But I am not!" he says, backing up. His hands are up, as if to shield the inevitable bullet.

"You are," she says as she comes to a stop before him. She settles and seems to be aiming her gun.

With a yipe, Autumn breaks into a run for the swamp. Many other Hunters raise their rifles at the move, and some Dukes make to grab him. But Fontisian has the bead on him.

There is a loud of report as her muzzle flashes. The fleeing form of Autumn crumples to the ground face first as he is struck in the back. The village runs up to him, ready for yet another sight of blood spurting out of a villager corpse.

Autumn lies unmoving on the ground, as the closest villager reaches him. He searches for the bullet hole... but there is no blood! Autumn groans, "Owww..." and reaches gingerly for his back as he turns on his side.

"What on Earth did you hit me with, woman?" he spits out irritably between grunts of pain.

Another villager picks ups what appears to be a scrunched up rock.

"You were shot by this!" he says to Autumn. He turned to fontisian. "It's a blank!"

"Blanks? You shot me with a blank?" said Autumn, staring up at his would-be-murderer.

Fontisian seemed as shocked as everyone else, but only for a moment. After a visible recovery, she put on a haughty look and said, "Of course! I wanted to see what everyone would do! Now I know who the real oil profiteers are! And you're not in the clear, either, Mister! Next time, I'll be using my hollow points!"

With that, she harrumphed and sternly strode away.

FONTISIAN is a Hunter and the Blank! She has shot at AUTUMN, and now no other Hunter shots may be taken today!

AUTUMN is still alive and fully capable of taking any actions available to him.

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:45 PM

I sure hope you are bluffing, as another villager shooting could cost us the game.
I am not, and it can't.

Raven

04-23-2015, 05:45 PM

I mean, it's extremely likely that either Narcizo or Autumn is scum. I've already shot Autumn (as he's the harder lynch and his flip condemns EF), so hopefully that will hit as soon as Chief is done processing.

Autumn is not on my radar, so if you do shoot Autumn and he comes up village, I will assume you/Grover/Bug are wolves and likely vote for you today.

Grover

04-23-2015, 05:45 PM

We sure dodged a bullet there!

*rim shot*

Autumn

04-23-2015, 05:45 PM

Why?

By my reads, I was looking at both of them early on, as we play together a lot and I think I have a good handle on them. Narc i was worried about early, but I think he is clearly village at this point by the way he's been playing. No doubt in my mind there. Britrock granted is more of a hunch, he's a harder wolf for me to crack, but I haven't seen anything in his game or posts so far to make me think he's not village.

Grover

04-23-2015, 05:46 PM

vote fontisian

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:46 PM

Autumn is not on my radar, so if you do shoot Autumn and he comes up village, I will assume you/Grover/Bug are wolves and likely vote for you today.
Your radar is bad. Grover and Bug are town.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 05:47 PM

omg

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:47 PM

By my reads, I was looking at both of them early on, as we play together a lot and I think I have a good handle on them. Narc i was worried about early, but I think he is clearly village at this point by the way he's been playing. No doubt in my mind there. Britrock granted is more of a hunch, he's a harder wolf for me to crack, but I haven't seen anything in his game or posts so far to make me think he's not village.
You think there were no scum on the Zinto lynch? Right.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 05:48 PM

Autumn

04-23-2015, 05:51 PM

Zinto (7)-- Narcizo (108), The Jackal (283), Vaimes (312), JAG (316), fontisian (321), Grover (326), Autumn (343)
The Jackal (5)-- Raven (106), timmae (154), britrock88 (317), Shoveler (327), MartinD (358)
Vaimes (1)-- cheekimonk (293)
timmae (1)-- EagleFan (82)
fontisian (1)-- MrBug708 (178)

Do I think no wolves were on Zinto? no, I think probably you and and possibly Grover were.

Grover

04-23-2015, 05:51 PM

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:54 PM

That was ridiculous. Can I get some traction on my Font vote now? In what world, whatever you think of me, is it wise for a villager to take a potshot at this point in the game? If Font was actually good, she just took a risk at killing two villagers at a point when it could come close to ending the game. No way a villager Font makes that move.
No. I took a shot a killing you, one of two unconfirmed people on the Zinto lynch. Best case scenario, you're scum and EF is outed as well, especially after he tried to bait me into shooting him over you. Second worse case, you're town and a Duke, and I have to defend myself, which is fine because I can't imagine a world where the seer hasn't checked me yet and the cunning is dead.

The worst case scenario is that britrock is the seer and has a towncheck on you, but even in that case, we're still in auto-win from his clears and the vote analysis.

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:54 PM

Agreed. Not to mention she openly stated after the results that the Seer needs to claim. The Seer has absolutely zero reason to claim right now.
It is Day 4. Every Day we wait increases the odds of the seer dying and giving us nothing. It's time for a claim.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 05:55 PM

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:55 PM

omg
You understand that I had the kill order in last Night, and EF just beat me to it, right?

Autumn

04-23-2015, 05:56 PM

No. I took a shot a killing you, one of two unconfirmed people on the Zinto lynch. Best case scenario, you're scum and EF is outed as well, especially after he tried to bait me into shooting him over you. Second worse case, you're town and a Duke, and I have to defend myself, which is fine because I can't imagine a world where the seer hasn't checked me yet and the cunning is dead.

The worst case scenario is that britrock is the seer and has a towncheck on you, but even in that case, we're still in auto-win from his clears and the vote analysis.

I honestly don't think any of this makes any sense. Britrock? How did he get dragged into this?

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:57 PM

I assume it is 7-2-1 right now, with the Cultist as the 1. If Font was a villager, and if I was a Hunter, her shot could have made it 5-2-1 before the lynch even happens, with a brutal still out there and a possible convert. I can't imagine a villager takes that shot.
You are one of two possible wolves on the Zinto lynch and you did not claim yesterDay when I said was going to shoot you. Add in that I'm town, Shoveler's town, Raven, Grover and MrBug708 are probably town, the seer can claim and clear themselves and others, and the bodyguard, if necessary, can claim and clear themselves, and we're going to win this. There was no reason not to shoot.

fontisian

04-23-2015, 05:57 PM

I honestly don't think any of this makes any sense. Britrock? How did he get dragged into this?
He hinted at being the seer with a green check on you yesterDay. Did you miss that?

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 06:00 PM

Cripes.

unvote Narc
vote fontisian

Autumn

04-23-2015, 06:04 PM

He hinted at being the seer with a green check on you yesterDay. Did you miss that?

Guess so.

Raven

04-23-2015, 06:16 PM

He hinted at being the seer with a green check on you yesterDay. Did you miss that?

Then why the hell did you shoot him??

Grover

04-23-2015, 06:18 PM

Then why the hell did you shoot him??

She means brit hinted at himself being seer, I think

fontisian

04-23-2015, 06:18 PM

Then why the hell did you shoot him??
Because it was a really weak hint, I had decent confirmation that Autumn was not a power role after yesterDay, and in the event that britrock is town and has checks, the game is basically solved.

Raven

04-23-2015, 06:20 PM

So Brit hinted he was the seer and cleared Autumn, so you shot Autumn to see if Brit was lying? How does that make sense?

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 06:20 PM

OOG: Autumn, I apologize for referring to you as female. Don't know why it took me so long to pick up that you're a guy.

Shoveler

04-23-2015, 06:24 PM

OOG: Autumn, I apologize for referring to you as female. Don't know why it took me so long to pick up that you're a guy.

You had a 0.9% chance of being correct.

fontisian

04-23-2015, 06:27 PM

So Brit hinted he was the seer and cleared Autumn, so you shot Autumn to see if Brit was lying? How does that make sense?
...

No? I just thought it was very unlikely to be an actual thing, and even if it was, we're in a place where I can afford to kill Autumn.

fontisian

04-23-2015, 06:27 PM

Especially because the odds of the seer checking Autumn and not checking me by Day 3 was pretty damn unlikely.

cheekimonk

04-23-2015, 06:29 PM

You had a 0.9% chance of being correct.

#Cheekicorp

Autumn

04-23-2015, 06:29 PM

Because it was a really weak hint, I had decent confirmation that Autumn was not a power role after yesterDay, and in the event that britrock is town and has checks, the game is basically solved.

Let's say your theory is right, and you kill one of those checks. What if Brit checked some other players who are also dead, or someone like Shoveler who is already cleared? Just doesn't make any sense. What if he had to reveal in order to stop you from shooting? A villager would not be pushing for any of this.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 06:29 PM

OOG: Autumn, I apologize for referring to you as female. Don't know why it took me so long to pick up that you're a guy.

No prob!

MrBug708

04-23-2015, 06:31 PM

TBH, for I thought that one time about Autumn too

Autumn

04-23-2015, 06:32 PM

Especially because the odds of the seer checking Autumn and not checking me by Day 3 was pretty damn unlikely.

I'm just not going to bother continuing to reply to all this stuff. I hope that everyone else, despite not knowing my allegiance, can see how sketchy all this reasoning is. And importantly, how far it is from Font's typically very astute play. I'm not going to keep harping on it, but my vote is here no matter what. If Font is not a wolf or a cultist, I truly would be astounded.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 06:33 PM

TBH, for I thought that one time about Autumn too

It's my dainty ankles.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 06:33 PM

By the way, Chief, this game is a real hoot, I am really enjoying it. Crazyville!

fontisian

04-23-2015, 06:35 PM

I'm just not going to bother continuing to reply to all this stuff. I hope that everyone else, despite not knowing my allegiance, can see how sketchy all this reasoning is. And importantly, how far it is from Font's typically very astute play. I'm not going to keep harping on it, but my vote is here no matter what. If Font is not a wolf or a cultist, I truly would be astounded.
You understand that you keep calling things sketchy and then failing to explain why, right?

fontisian

04-23-2015, 06:36 PM

Let's say your theory is right, and you kill one of those checks. What if Brit checked some other players who are also dead, or someone like Shoveler who is already cleared? Just doesn't make any sense. What if he had to reveal in order to stop you from shooting? A villager would not be pushing for any of this.
Simply by claiming, brit clears himself. That's really all I need at this point.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 06:47 PM

You understand that you keep calling things sketchy and then failing to explain why, right?

I'm pretty sure everyone's tired of me explaining why I think your reasoning is sketchy, but if anyone else wants to ask for details, they can.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 06:49 PM

Simply by claiming, brit clears himself. That's really all I need at this point.

But it's not all about you, Font. You keep deciding how things should be done based on how you feel about players. We all have to agree, to some extent. The fact that somehow or other you can win the game no matter how many villagers get killed off is fantastic, but I'm not sure anyone else can.

EagleFan

04-23-2015, 06:52 PM

Sorry for missing but work got nuts. Surprised to be still alive to be honest. Need to catch up on what happened.

Nice catch in getting the cunning. Haven't read through but what was the reason for picking timmae?

fontisian

04-23-2015, 06:56 PM

But it's not all about you, Font. You keep deciding how things should be done based on how you feel about players. We all have to agree, to some extent. The fact that somehow or other you can win the game no matter how many villagers get killed off is fantastic, but I'm not sure anyone else can.
The cunning is dead, and the cultist doesn't matter. The seer needs to claim and let the game get solved.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 07:17 PM

The cunning is dead, and the cultist doesn't matter. The seer needs to claim and let the game get solved.

lol, the cultist can be converted and turn a win into a loss! I feel like I'm in Bizarroworld!

fontisian

04-23-2015, 07:23 PM

But they haven't been, and a convert on the cultist means a townie isn't getting shot.

MrBug708

04-23-2015, 07:27 PM

It's still a gain for the wolves, though, no?

Autumn

04-23-2015, 07:36 PM

https://i1.sndcdn.com/avatars-000124638621-54c0d2-t500x500.jpg

fontisian

04-23-2015, 07:43 PM

It's still a gain for the wolves, though, no?
No. The wolves lose a night kill, which they cannot afford with the seer and bodyguard still slive.

Autumn

04-23-2015, 07:56 PM

It appears that since there is no counterclaim at this point we can assume that martin and thus font are good. A BG claim by someone other than martin would mean that he is evil but we haven't seen a claim yet. Nor do I want to see one if that is the case. Unless if I am following the wrong lines of thought here. We can let this play out while we look for evil elsewhere.

Reading Timmaes posts and I just want to point out that he is eager to cast the font/martin/vaimes trio clear as soon as possible. He pushes for a Martin lynch as the way to clear things up, which would make sense if Font was the bad guy there. And then as soon as Martin claims to have been targeted, Timmae is quick to anoint Font clear as well.

Also of note, Timmae seemed ready to jump on EF after his vigilante move. Not solid, but makes me think maybe that wasn't a wolf move. Trying to suss out who else was partners with Timmae.

EagleFan

04-23-2015, 09:31 PM

Day One as I see it:

Zinto (7)-- Narcizo (108), The Jackal (283), Vaimes (312), JAG (316), fontisian (321), Grover (326), Autumn (343)
The Jackal (5)-- Raven (106), timmae (154), britrock88 (317), Shoveler (327), MartinD (358)
Vaimes (1)-- cheekimonk (293)
timmae (1)-- EagleFan (82)
fontisian (1)-- MrBug708 (178)

font is still an unknown, hence the orange.