Why are we against booster to players compensation?

[Jr.]

Quote: Originally Posted by TDenverFan

My Bad. I was thinking this would be done through the school as compensation. Nevertheless, I am still against it.

As am I...

[da ThRONe]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Actually we're not debating it. There is no debate.

You produce proof and you would stop me in my tracks. Yet I still see no proof just opinions.

[da ThRONe]

So what about the rules as they are currently constructed are keeping away these shady individuals trying to exploit student athletes? Can they not be seen with them? If the Nevin Shapiro guy did all things he said he did the rules didn't stop him or slow him down and had he not come forward after asked about it this would be mere "speculations". Just like as of now we can only "speculate" about Cam Newton situation are "speculate" about Oregon recruiting situation.

[doom41]

Quote: Originally Posted by da ThRONe

So what about the rules as they are currently constructed are keeping away these shady individuals trying to exploit student athletes? Can they not be seen with them? If the Nevin Shapiro guy did all things he said he did the rules didn't stop him or slow him down and had he not come forward after asked about it this would be mere "speculations". Just like as of now we can only "speculate" about Cam Newton situation are "speculate" about Oregon recruiting situation.

What in your proposed "new rules" would keep out the "shady" idividuals?
How would your new rules stop a Nevin Shapiro? You said their would be a limit or cap on what the booster could give. Surely, your new rules would not allow a booster to go to the extreams that Shapiro appears to have gone. So how would you have stopped it?
You claim it would be easier to monitor and track the payments, but that is only true for the people following the rules, just as it is now. The "shady" individuals would still be able to bypass the rules, just as they do now, unless you up the enforcement of the rules.
That has nothing to do with the rules themselves. It is not the rules that are the problem, it is the lack of enforcement.
The NCAA need to invest more money into the enforcement and prevention of these violations, and less in the investigation of the violations after the fact.

[da ThRONe]

Quote: Originally Posted by doom41

What in your proposed "new rules" would keep out the "shady" idividuals? How would your new rules stop a Nevin Shapiro? You said their would be a limit or cap on what the booster could give. Surely, your new rules would not allow a booster to go to the extreams that Shapiro appears to have gone. So how would you have stopped it? You claim it would be easier to monitor and track the payments, but that is only true for the people following the rules, just as it is now. The "shady" individuals would still be able to bypass the rules, just as they do now, unless you up the enforcement of the rules. That has nothing to do with the rules themselves. It is not the rules that are the problem, it is the lack of enforcement. The NCAA need to invest more money into the enforcement and prevention of these violations, and less in the investigation of the violations after the fact.

Outside of requiring boosters to perform@31 background checks not a whole lot you can do. If there's a positive taxing the money could help fund compliance offices. The more resources the more they can monitor players. But there's no way you can stop a "shady" individual from getting to these kids. But you can reduce the likely hood. If I can make 50,000 in legal booster money I'm less likely to take money to risk my college career and freedom doing something illegal.

[TDenverFan]

Quote: Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Outside of requiring boosters to perform@31 background checks not a whole lot you can do. If there's a positive taxing the money could help fund compliance offices. The more resources the more they can monitor players. But there's no way you can stop a "shady" individual from getting to these kids. But you can reduce the likely hood. If I can make 50,000 in legal booster money I'm less likely to take money to risk my college career and freedom doing something illegal.

Or they could join the CFL and make 50k...

I really doubt this would stop illegal boosters more than fraction of a percent of the time.

[da ThRONe]

Quote: Originally Posted by TDenverFan

Or they could join the CFL and make 50k... I really doubt this would stop illegal boosters more than fraction of a percent of the time.

I respect that opinion. I don't think any system is prefect, but I don't have a problem with boosters giving away gift and/or benefits and I don't understand why other people are against it.

[doom41]

Quote: Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I respect that opinion. I don't think any system is prefect, but I don't have a problem with boosters giving away gift and/or benefits and I don't understand why other people are against it.

They are against it because it would destroy college football.
You think there is no parity in college football now? Just wait till the big time boosters can "legaly" buy recruits.
Then, what happens when a booster makes promises to recruits but stops paying when the recruit doesn't turn out to be a star? Will players start sueing boosters for breaking verbal contracts? Will they start demanding writen agreements from boosters before signing a LOI? If there are signed deal, that would surely effect a players amature status, but then again if payments from boosters are now legal that couldn't possibly hold up in court. So the NCAA would have to scratch the amature rules all together, because these kids are now being paid to play. So how long until an unknown kid puts up huge numbers at a smaller school, and decides he wants to transfer to a school with better paying boosters? How long until the unions come in and says, these kids are now basicaly employees of the boosters, and they have the right to unionize and negotiate a CBA so that all players get treated fairly?
Not to mention all the want to be agents that will be acting like boosters to get close to these kids, with the hope that one day they'll be able to truely exploit the kid. Then again it will end up a semi profensional league with most players having agents already. So the want to be agents will now be working on the HS kid to exploit.
Allowing boosters to legaly give players money or gifts would open up a Pandoras box that would be the end of college football as we know it. That is why most peole don't agree with it.