College Football Off Topic

[Caulfield]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cardot

As rough as Covid has been, I am kind of enjoying the thought that Notre Dame might not have anyone to play.

on the other foot if they go 6-0, they have to be the mythical 2020 champion, right?

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

Yep, and if there is a season (I believe there will be), they will expand the playoff to 8 teams and it will probably stay that way.

Hell of an avenue or set of circumstances to take place to get expanded playoffs, but if it happens I'll take it.

I too believe that at some point there will be a season this year.

[illwill10]

"The NCAA is set to present its proposed name, image and likeness legislation to Congress next week.

@RossDellenger obtained a draft of the proposal, and it's still quite restrictive for student-athletes https://t.co/fORbmCdqQe "

[The_TanMan]

I got Clemson winning again this year, that team is just stacked

[canes21]

Quote: Originally Posted by illwill10

"The NCAA is set to present its proposed name, image and likeness legislation to Congress next week. @RossDellenger obtained a draft of the proposal, and it's still quite restrictive for student-athletes https://t.co/fORbmCdqQe "

I am hoping this draft is not what is passed through, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

I know the NCAA is going to drive home the point that if you allow the athletes to obtain group licensing abilities then it will destroy the amateurism side of things.

I also know the NCAA seems to be very against the athletes having the ability to use their school logos/trademarks in any deal. I think this should be up to the school. If an athlete is asked to sign their NIL over, the athlete should have the right to approach the school and use their likeness if the school reviews their proposal and agrees to it.

If an athlete is asked to do an endorsement for a local pizza shop and the pizza shop wants the athlete to be able to say, "Hi I am canes21, quarterback of your Miami Hurricanes..." while wearing a Miami hoodie, then that should be allowed if Miami is okay with it. The school should have the ability to also say no in any endorsement they may not want to be associated with.

I see no harm in allowing the school be the decision maker there instead of it being a hard no across the board because the NCAA says so.

And with regards to being a selfish gamer who wants NCAA Football back to play, having group licensing being available as well as what I just talked about above would be two huge steps towards the series returning.

It will be interesting to see what Congress says. I won't hold my breath thinking we'll get the best news, but I will have a little hope moving forward because I do think the members of the government that are concerning themselves with this are actually going to make it as player friendly as possible. Maybe I am misreading the room, but it does seem like the NCAA is the odd man out right now and Congress is not going to cower to their demands.

[illwill10]

Quote: Originally Posted by canes21

I am hoping this draft is not what is passed through, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I know the NCAA is going to drive home the point that if you allow the athletes to obtain group licensing abilities then it will destroy the amateurism side of things. I also know the NCAA seems to be very against the athletes having the ability to use their school logos/trademarks in any deal. I think this should be up to the school. If an athlete is asked to sign their NIL over, the athlete should have the right to approach the school and use their likeness if the school reviews their proposal and agrees to it. If an athlete is asked to do an endorsement for a local pizza shop and the pizza shop wants the athlete to be able to say, "Hi I am canes21, quarterback of your Miami Hurricanes..." while wearing a Miami hoodie, then that should be allowed if Miami is okay with it. The school should have the ability to also say no in any endorsement they may not want to be associated with. I see no harm in allowing the school be the decision maker there instead of it being a hard no across the board because the NCAA says so. And with regards to being a selfish gamer who wants NCAA Football back to play, having group licensing being available as well as what I just talked about above would be two huge steps towards the series returning. It will be interesting to see what Congress says. I won't hold my breath thinking we'll get the best news, but I will have a little hope moving forward because I do think the members of the government that are concerning themselves with this are actually going to make it as player friendly as possible. Maybe I am misreading the room, but it does seem like the NCAA is the odd man out right now and Congress is not going to cower to their demands.

I've been trying to stay up on this. NCAA wanted to maintain status quo but are forced to because states are doing their own individual NILs laws. They ran to Congress wanting "help". They expected to Congress to just approve what ever they presented to them. From what I read, Congress didn't like the proposal and felt it was to restrictive. Even going by Section 3(c) that gives NCAA the power to deny an endorsement if they feel it is counter productive to schools interests. So if an athlete wants to sign an Adidas endorsement but goes to a Nike endorsed school, they would have power to deny that Adidas endorsement. I know next event is August 4 to discuss Fall championships. NCAA was told by Congress that time wasn't on their side and to step up their game.

I agree being a selfish gamer, I do want to be less restrictive on group licensing. Just allow the companies to have to get approval from schools first. Group Licensing and not having a single entity able to represent all collegiate athletes for negotiations are the biggest hurdles for a return of NCAA series

[Caulfield]

Quote: Originally Posted by The_TanMan

I got Clemson winning again this year, that team is just stacked

Clemson @ Notre Dame in November gonna be HUGE

[canes21]

Quote: Originally Posted by illwill10

I've been trying to stay up on this. NCAA wanted to maintain status quo but are forced to because states are doing their own individual NILs laws. They ran to Congress wanting "help". They expected to Congress to just approve what ever they presented to them. From what I read, Congress didn't like the proposal and felt it was to restrictive. Even going by Section 3(c) that gives NCAA the power to deny an endorsement if they feel it is counter productive to schools interests. So if an athlete wants to sign an Adidas endorsement but goes to a Nike endorsed school, they would have power to deny that Adidas endorsement. I know next event is August 4 to discuss Fall championships. NCAA was told by Congress that time wasn't on their side and to step up their game. I agree being a selfish gamer, I do want to be less restrictive on group licensing. Just allow the companies to have to get approval from schools first. Group Licensing and not having a single entity able to represent all collegiate athletes for negotiations are the biggest hurdles for a return of NCAA series

Yea, I read up a bit on this after realizing your post was a week+ old. From what I am reading, it does seem like the NCAA is getting blindsided by Congress which is actually nice. It seemed like Emmert and the NCAA figured Congress would see any change as a sign of the NCAA doing a good job, but it actually seems like every member of Congress that they talk to about this is basically saying thee NCAA is 20-30 years behind, is trying to be incredibly restrictive, and basically needs to completely change how they view this NIL situation because they aren't going to get what they thought they would.

It's also looking like the NCAA may not be getting the antitrust exemption like they had banked on.

Some of the quotes I've read actually give me a bit more hope that maybe this entire thing does work out for the players and we might actually see an NCAA game again.

Here are some quotes that I've liked.

Spoiler

"You're asking us for antitrust exemption and pre-emption, and time is not on your side," Blumenthal said to Emmert. "I would suggest that maybe you should up your game here on all these other protections if you're even thinking about that kind of immunity."

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Sen. Mike Lee, who chairs the Senate's subcommittee on antitrust issues, asked Emmert and Radakovich why any type of restrictions on how college athletes are able to make money with endorsements were necessary.

"Why shouldn't we let the free market protected by our longstanding antitrust laws including precedent on this issue play out naturally?" Lee said. "... When someone is trying to take their existing sphere and have it grafted into federal law, one must ask these questions."

Those are from this article.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...e-compensation

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Then in an older article there were some more quotes giving me hope that the NCAA doesn't get what they want.

Rep. Mark Walker, R-N.C., said Wednesday he wants to compliment the NCAA on what could turn out to be a significant step forward, but doesn't think the new proposals should be presented as the NCAA "doing athletes a favor" and that the NCAA should not get credit for being "dragged kicking and screaming" by lawmakers into changing its rules.

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"I want to work with the NCAA," Walker told ESPN. "Do they deserve [an exemption]? No, they probably don't because they've prolonged this situation 20-25 years longer than it should have been, but I'm willing to see what they're putting on the table and go from there."

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...r-endorsements

I don't want to get my hopes up too much, but from what I've read, it really does seem like the NCAA is fighting an uphill battle. I had assumed, like the NCAA, that Congress would probably just cave in to whatever the NCAA proposed and would pat them on the back for making change.

It actually seems like Congress realizes what a joke the NCAA is and is forcing them to actually open up and modernize their system and they are trying to put an end to the NCAA's incredibly restrictive ways. Talk is cheap, so we will have to see what the end result is, but I do have more hope now after doing more reading than I ever had before.

From a selfish gamer side, it would be amazing if Congress forced the NCAA to allow group licensing and the players were allowed to associate themselves with their schools. If those rules were forced and adopted in 2021, we might actually get an NCAA game a couple of years afterwards which would be amazing.

That said, I won't hold my breath on all of that just yet, but I do have more hope than before.