April NPD

[burnwood]

Quote: Originally Posted by Altimus GTR

Yeah my response was to BS but I quoted you because you had asked why the pics are for. I just found it weird that he included pics just to point the difference in graphics.

Cool.

I know why he posted those graphics. I just wanted him to explain that nonsense.

[bkfount]

Quote: Originally Posted by Altimus GTR

To show the difference in graphics? Calling the Wii not in this race doesn't make sense. And saying because it doesn't have a high rated GPU isn't valid. Ask yourself this question BS, do better graphics equal better games? Have we seen it? Do Madden, NCAA, have more features and play better on the PS2, PSP, PC? Better graphics doesn't equal next gen. New ideas and things that haven't been done before equal next gen. What Nintendo does no one does. PS replicated, sucks. I'm sure 360s effort won't be much better. People interested in that know where to go. Wii Fit, Wii gun, Nintendo has the best ideas when it comes to accessories and new things. What have MS and PS done? Has the AI improved to ground breaking fields? Everything so far has been pretty much the same as last generation except for a few titles that have shined. Everyone was wrong that this generation was going to be the true HD generation. Many games aren't even made in true HD format. Halo, COD 4 for examples.

The term next gen has always meant newer technology, more expensive hardware, and better graphics. Sorry, that's how companies, including nintendo, sold us new consoles every 5 years or so. Now that nintendo came out with a "weaker" system, the rules have changed? So don't get annoyed when people say the Wii isn't next gen, as by most people's definition, it isn't.

As well as the wii has sold, it's still like comparing a nissan to a mercedes. There's nothing wrong wth saying the truth. The 360 and ps3 are marketed first to a completely different type of consumer. The Wii is succeeding because it's going for consumers who would have little interest in a 360 or ps3 even if the prices were equal. Nintendo has much more pick up and play and family friendly games, plus their core franchises appeal more broadly across ages, gaming skill, and gender than what halo or gears of war ever will. Nintendo also took their console back to the easy playing days of the NES, when controllers had a dpad and two buttons. Anyone could play super mario brothers, the same isn't true for most of today's games, which has kept many people out of an enjoyable hobby.

In my opinion, you could also ask plenty of critical questions about nintendo's products as well. Both the DS and Wii have their fair share of 3rd party shovelware crap games, as companies fail to see why nintendo products appeal to people. Nintendo consoles have always been primarily supported by their own 1st party games, and the same is true with the Wii. Most hardcore or longtime gamers also have experience or know that nintendo has a history of slow release cycles with their big games, and their consoles are prone to periods of drought because of weaker 3rd party support. I can't remember the last time I saw a period of time like last fall with the 360's flood of great games on a nintendo console. In the end, it works for them though.

[burnwood]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkfount

The term next gen has always meant newer technology, more expensive hardware, and better graphics. Sorry, that's how companies, including nintendo, sold us new consoles every 5 years or so. Now that nintendo came out with a "weaker" system, the rules have changed? So don't get annoyed when people say the Wii isn't next gen, as by most people's definition, it isn't. As well as the wii has sold, it's still like comparing a nissan to a mercedes. There's nothing wrong wth saying the truth. The 360 and ps3 are marketed first to a completely different type of consumer. The Wii is succeeding because it's going for consumers who would have little interest in a 360 or ps3 even if the prices were equal. Nintendo has much more pick up and play and family friendly games, plus their core franchises appeal more broadly across ages, gaming skill, and gender than what halo or gears of war ever will. Nintendo also took their console back to the easy playing days of the NES, when controllers had a dpad and two buttons. Anyone could play super mario brothers, the same isn't true for most of today's games, which has kept many people out of an enjoyable hobby. In my opinion, you could also ask plenty of critical questions about nintendo's products as well. Both the DS and Wii have their fair share of 3rd party shovelware crap games, as companies fail to see why nintendo products appeal to people. Nintendo consoles have always been primarily supported by their own 1st party games, and the same is true with the Wii. Most hardcore or longtime gamers also have experience or know that nintendo has a history of slow release cycles with their big games, and their consoles are prone to periods of drought because of weaker 3rd party support. I can't remember the last time I saw a period of time like last fall with the 360's flood of great games on a nintendo console. In the end, it works for them though.

I don't know there. I consider the Wii's graphics better than their previous console. How they get to that point graphics-wise shouldn't matter (latest tech, expensive hardware, etc).

[Altimus]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkfount

The term next gen has always meant newer technology, more expensive hardware, and better graphics. Sorry, that's how companies, including nintendo, sold us new consoles every 5 years or so. Now that nintendo came out with a "weaker" system, the rules have changed? So don't get annoyed when people say the Wii isn't next gen, as by most people's definition, it isn't. As well as the wii has sold, it's still like comparing a nissan to a mercedes. There's nothing wrong wth saying the truth. The 360 and ps3 are marketed first to a completely different type of consumer. The Wii is succeeding because it's going for consumers who would have little interest in a 360 or ps3 even if the prices were equal. Nintendo has much more pick up and play and family friendly games, plus their core franchises appeal more broadly across ages, gaming skill, and gender than what halo or gears of war ever will. Nintendo also took their console back to the easy playing days of the NES, when controllers had a dpad and two buttons. Anyone could play super mario brothers, the same isn't true for most of today's games, which has kept many people out of an enjoyable hobby. In my opinion, you could also ask plenty of critical questions about nintendo's products as well. Both the DS and Wii have their fair share of 3rd party shovelware crap games, as companies fail to see why nintendo products appeal to people. Nintendo consoles have always been primarily supported by their own 1st party games, and the same is true with the Wii. Most hardcore or longtime gamers also have experience or know that nintendo has a history of slow release cycles with their big games, and their consoles are prone to periods of drought because of weaker 3rd party support. I can't remember the last time I saw a period of time like last fall with the 360's flood of great games on a nintendo console. In the end, it works for them though.

But did it work? As you said, back in the day. Go back to back in the day. Look at all the stupid stuff Sega did with the Sega CD, 64 BIT, better graphics BS. Games were better all around on the Super Nintendo. Even when comparing to the Sega CD. Doom sucked on the CD.

I'm not annoyed that people are saying it isn't next gen because the Wii is next gen. The 3D graphics aren't but the way the games are played are. Except us hardcore gamers, no one really cares about specs, graphics, or HDD size. They mostly care about having fun and so far Nintendo has proven that is where its at.

Also it is true the Nintendo is mostly supported by their own games. But if I'm a developer and there are that many Nintendo's out there, I'm looking at making some kind of game on the Wii.

[bkfount]

Quote: Originally Posted by Altimus GTR

But did it work? As you said, back in the day. Go back to back in the day. Look at all the stupid stuff Sega did with the Sega CD, 64 BIT, better graphics BS. Games were better all around on the Super Nintendo. Even when comparing to the Sega CD. Doom sucked on the CD. I'm not annoyed that people are saying it isn't next gen because the Wii is next gen. The 3D graphics aren't but the way the games are played are. Except us hardcore gamers, no one really cares about specs, graphics, or HDD size. They mostly care about having fun and so far Nintendo has proven that is where its at. Also it is true the Nintendo is mostly supported by their own games. But if I'm a developer and there are that many Nintendo's out there, I'm looking at making some kind of game on the Wii.

It takes awhile for developers to get used to all the power and limits of a console, which was true then, and still is. The reason why sega games sucked on that newer technology was because they were keeping the console unstable with addons, and developers din't get alot of time to make games on it. There's even a couple of games that required both the sega cd and 32x. WTF. The SNES was the same console in its whole life, and never changed around on the developers.

I still think a large number of 3rd party companies making Wii games just don't get "it", and think a garbage game with motion controls will sell. Nintendo's own games will always rule that console, as they have essentially for all their consoles. Sony and MS both rely heavily on exclusive 3rd party or even multiplatform support for the majority of their console's library.

[burnwood]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkfount

It takes awhile for developers to get used to all the power and limits of a console, which was true then, and still is. The reason why sega games sucked on that newer technology was because they were keeping the console unstable with addons, and developers din't get alot of time to make games on it. There's even a couple of games that required both the sega cd and 32x. WTF. The SNES was the same console in its whole life, and never changed around on the developers. I still think a large number of 3rd party companies making Wii games just don't get "it", and think a garbage game with motion controls will sell. Nintendo's own games will always rule that console, as they have essentially for all their consoles. Sony and MS both rely heavily on exclusive 3rd party or even multiplatform support for the majority of their console's library.

Do you really think developers are still excusing themselves because they haven't reached the full power of these consoles? Kojima himself expressed a great deal of disappointment in what he thought the Cell brought to the table.

So let's get past the potential of these platforms. Let's say they have figured out how to fully optimize these games on the 360 and PS3. That still leaves the barrier up for the wider audience that the Wii is attracting. There are issues that the 360 and PS3 bring up, namely, accessibility of playing these games, the hostility in multiplayer, and the perceived eliteness required to play.

This has all translated into the huge success of the Wii platform.

[Eton Rifles]

I think we have to wait for the MAY NPD to see GTA's impact on console sales. Remember that GTA was only out for 2 days in April.

[Altimus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Eton Rifles

I think we have to wait for the MAY NPD to see GTA's impact on console sales. Remember that GTA was only out for 2 days in April.

Nope. April 6th to May 3rd I believe.