Microsoft Reveals the New Xbox Series X, Arrives in Holiday 2020

[mestevo]

Games have been released on multiple platforms simultaneously for decades, this refrain that the Series X games will be not as good because the same title will be released on other platforms doesn't really make much sense to me.

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[peter42O]

Quote: Originally Posted by illwill10

I just think $200 is too cheap for a next gen console. If the rumors are true about the main difference from the Series X is that it will be a 4 TF and most likely digital. it would benefit from SSD, CPU(probably clocked a little lower). I think $300 is a more logical price. As long as you are at least $100 cheaper than the All Digital PS5, that should entice those who wants the next gen experience but at lowest cost. $200 seems like the price if they wanted to quickly phase out the Xbox One generation. But since their first party will support current gen for the first year or 2, they aren't trying to phase it out as quickly. I like the pro-consumer routes they are taking. It just seems like they are taking the PC approach. Where they don't care which console you play on, they just want you in their ecosystem. I think it is more likely Microsoft matches the Sony price than to undercut with the Series X. While it was BS when they said they are not competing with Sony or Nintendo, I don't see them undercutting price especially with Phil Spencer saying it is okay if you don't want to buy the Series X this year. I think it is best for Xbox to match Price(I'm thinking $500) and going for the "Power" crown as it's selling point over Sony. While I definitely think Sony will continue to outsell Xbox, I don't think it will be as lopsided as this generation.

I do believe that $300 is the more realistic price but I wouldn't be shocked or surprised if it's $200. Xbox One X has already been discontinued and I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox One S / All Digital Editions gets phased out as well because with Xbox Series S, they can do so if they so choose.

The exclusives being on Xbox One as well as Xbox Series X is most likely just for a few titles - Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5, Forza Motorsport 8 and Gears Tactics (console version). Everwild and Hellblade 2 is Series X/S only as will other titles that are shown in July.

I personally don't see cross-gen as a big deal because its the same as PC. Games simply get scaled. Unless it's a design decision, there won't be any difference outside of visuals. Looking at Sony, Spider Man: Miles Morales is using the map from the PS4 base game and all the assets. It's NOT built from the ground up so honestly, not much if any of a difference if any whatsoever between that game and those few Xbox titles I mentioned.

Spencer said what he said because he's trying to build hype for xCloud which is going to be by far the best game streaming service and him saying that people don't have to buy a Series X this year has more to do with Covid-19 and a lot of people not having the money to spend which is very legitimate as outside of hardcore fans, majority will wait.

I believe that Microsoft and Xbox wins North America, being close in Europe and close overall. I also believe Xbox Series X/S wins November and December in NPD. But all remains to be seen.

Quote: Originally Posted by illwill10

While I'm not getting a Xbox, I'm definitely looking forward to the July event. I hope to see some visually stunning games. Xbox just have to prove that it is more than just Forza, Halo, and Gears. Sony has proven that Single Player games can still sell very well. They need more quality exclusives. While it was very pro-consumer to support current gen with 1st party exclusives, they should have had at least some exclusives for the Series X only. It would have been great to have a few games that were fully optimized for the Series X at the beginning. If they still have to support Launch Xbox One and the Series S is real, then their first party developers would have to optimize games for SIX different consoles until they cut off current gen. You can scale graphics but not design. So exclusives will be held back until they cut off last gen. They will still have to run properly on all last gen consoles. So I can see their SSD not being fully utilized in their games outside of fast loading initially. Even Series S would hold it back some. Because in best case scenarios, Series S exclusives would lower resolution and graphical effects.

The July event is said to be one hell of a show from behind the scenes. So far, all of the Xbox fans/podcasts I follow have been hearing nothing but positives about the show. Halo Infinite will be the main event for the show, expect Forza Horizon and Motorsport, Hellblade 2 gameplay plus Fable which is meant to be their "Witcher 3" and The Initiative is rumored to be working on a Mature story driven third person reboot of Perfect Dark. Obsidian is also working on a Mature "skyrim" type RPG. Only a few games will be cross-gen. Once 2022 hits, that will be no more unless it's a small game like Battletoads, etc. which to be honest, who even cares? LOL.

As for design, with the exception of Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor, there wasn't a single cross-gen game that was held back by Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 as far as I know. Games always get developed with the lowest common denominator in mind which will be PC when the new consoles launch because an SSD isn't required. Of course, look at what games are now with a mechanical HDD. It's insane.

Series S isn't going to hold the games back for Series X. Only the resolution and some graphical effects will be affected. Not game design.

Quote: Originally Posted by illwill10

But a $250-300 next gen console that can at least hit 1080p60, SSD benefits, and still gives you the next gen experience is a great option for a secondary console. Pair that with Gamepass to play the first party exclusive games, that is a good option. I wouldn't do it because I prefer just one console and you would be getting a downgrade experience of an exclusive

Series S will be for those who don't own or plan to own a 4K HDR TV. You get to play next gen titles but at a lower resolution. As of the end of 2019, only 30% of consumers own a 4K TV and that's not gamers, that's people in general. Look at sales for PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. Both are under 10% and 20% respectively because the investment is much higher due to them being more for 4K TV's.

For example, im day one for Xbox Series X (and PS5) but the entry cost will be far past $1000. It will be around $3000 as im buying the LG OLED CX 55" TV. The vast majority of consumers simply aren't going to do this.

I'm expecting a great show in July and will definitely start to make people forget about Xbox One and simply be ready to move on to Xbox Series X.

[Artman22]

Quote: Originally Posted by peter42O

The rumors regarding Lockhart (aka Series S) is that it's exactly the same as Xbox Series X but with a few exceptions - - 4TF Navi GPU - Digital Only console - Much More compact Main difference is the GPU in which maximum resolution would be 1080P-1440P. If you don't have a 4K HDR TV or plan on getting one, this would probably be your best bet if you want a gaming console. CPU, RAM and SSD all remain the same as Xbox Series X.

I read it’s actually stronger than the current X and will be smaller. At $200 if true it will put Xbox in a good spot


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[itsmb8]

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Quote: Originally Posted by peter42O

I do believe that $300 is the more realistic price but I wouldn't be shocked or surprised if it's $200. Xbox One X has already been discontinued and I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox One S / All Digital Editions gets phased out as well because with Xbox Series S, they can do so if they so choose. The exclusives being on Xbox One as well as Xbox Series X is most likely just for a few titles - Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5, Forza Motorsport 8 and Gears Tactics (console version). Everwild and Hellblade 2 is Series X/S only as will other titles that are shown in July. I personally don't see cross-gen as a big deal because its the same as PC. Games simply get scaled. Unless it's a design decision, there won't be any difference outside of visuals. Looking at Sony, Spider Man: Miles Morales is using the map from the PS4 base game and all the assets. It's NOT built from the ground up so honestly, not much if any of a difference if any whatsoever between that game and those few Xbox titles I mentioned. Spencer said what he said because he's trying to build hype for xCloud which is going to be by far the best game streaming service and him saying that people don't have to buy a Series X this year has more to do with Covid-19 and a lot of people not having the money to spend which is very legitimate as outside of hardcore fans, majority will wait. I believe that Microsoft and Xbox wins North America, being close in Europe and close overall. I also believe Xbox Series X/S wins November and December in NPD. But all remains to be seen. The July event is said to be one hell of a show from behind the scenes. So far, all of the Xbox fans/podcasts I follow have been hearing nothing but positives about the show. Halo Infinite will be the main event for the show, expect Forza Horizon and Motorsport, Hellblade 2 gameplay plus Fable which is meant to be their "Witcher 3" and The Initiative is rumored to be working on a Mature story driven third person reboot of Perfect Dark. Obsidian is also working on a Mature "skyrim" type RPG. Only a few games will be cross-gen. Once 2022 hits, that will be no more unless it's a small game like Battletoads, etc. which to be honest, who even cares? LOL. As for design, with the exception of Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor, there wasn't a single cross-gen game that was held back by Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 as far as I know. Games always get developed with the lowest common denominator in mind which will be PC when the new consoles launch because an SSD isn't required. Of course, look at what games are now with a mechanical HDD. It's insane. Series S isn't going to hold the games back for Series X. Only the resolution and some graphical effects will be affected. Not game design.

Quote: Originally Posted by peter42O

Series S will be for those who don't own or plan to own a 4K HDR TV. You get to play next gen titles but at a lower resolution. As of the end of 2019, only 30% of consumers own a 4K TV and that's not gamers, that's people in general. Look at sales for PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. Both are under 10% and 20% respectively because the investment is much higher due to them being more for 4K TV's. For example, im day one for Xbox Series X (and PS5) but the entry cost will be far past $1000. It will be around $3000 as im buying the LG OLED CX 55" TV. The vast majority of consumers simply aren't going to do this. I'm expecting a great show in July and will definitely start to make people forget about Xbox One and simply be ready to move on to Xbox Series X.

This is exactly what im doing. Im getting the PS5 digital as I only buy digital games now, but if the XSS is non 4k Im 100% getting the X.

Btw, the CX is phenomenal.

[peter42O]

Quote: Originally Posted by Artman22

I read it’s actually stronger than the current X and will be smaller. At $200 if true it will put Xbox in a good spot

You mean the Xbox One X? If so, Series S will in fact be more powerful because the GPU is Navi as opposed to Xbox One's GCN GPU. Even at $300, Series S will be a great value.

Quote: Originally Posted by itsmb8

This is exactly what im doing. Im getting the PS5 digital as I only buy digital games now, but if the XSS is non 4k Im 100% getting the X. Btw, the CX is phenomenal.

Agree with the first part because if you have a great 4K TV, buying the Series S would be a waste of money especially when that money could go towards the Series X.

Great to know. I'm planning on buying it in September/October. Can't wait!!!

[WaddupCouzin]

I already have a Samsung QLED 4K TV, and I'm getting both systems (Xbox Base System and PS5 for exclusives). I really want Xbox to come out swinging this generation because they have the necessary Ecosystem in place, all they need are the games to match.

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[itsmb8]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaddupCouzin

I already have a Samsung QLED 4K TV, and I'm getting both systems (Xbox Base System and PS5 for exclusives). I really want Xbox to come out swinging this generation because they have the necessary Ecosystem in place, all they need are the games to match. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

Same boat. I wish Xbox had great exclusives but really all they have that I like is Halo. Sony has Spiderman, Days Gone, TLOU.. and those are just my personal favorites.

[illwill10]

Quote: Originally Posted by itsmb8

Same boat. I wish Xbox had great exclusives but really all they have that I like is Halo. Sony has Spiderman, Days Gone, TLOU.. and those are just my personal favorites.

I do think Xbox is going to try to bring it this gen with exclusives. Plain simply, they have too. Out if their 15 Game Studios, they do have some top tier studios. With the Power advantage over PS5, would like to see some visually stunning CPU/GPU intensive games that PS5 couldn't run at that fidelity. Xbox just needs to target more single player experiences.
They should target to have at least 1-2 major exclusives every year.