Pipelines

[illwill10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year

I wonder if within California Texas and Florida's three(?) pipelines, there is going to be one pipeline in each state that significantly and most often yields the best fruits. Or are each as likely as the next have the ability to be just as good as any other.

I wouldn't think that one pipeline in each state would be significantly better than the rest, I just think one of the pipelines being better at yielding at particular archetype. So for example, if you want a Pocket QB from Cali, than South California would probably have the better ones. Just like East Texas for big WRs and South Florida for Small Speedy WRs. That's not to say that the other pipelines in those states won't have good prospects with those archetypes, it's just more likely you'll find what you're looking for in the specific pipeline

[raiderz4eva]

Quote: Originally Posted by Scout75

I’ve read the campus huddle notes and this thread and would like to see if someone can clarify. I’ve seen many people say that pipelines are hard locked meaning they don’t change. The campus huddle says the pipeline LEVEL doesn’t change. So that could be interpreted different ways imo. Some say that schools can’t create new pipelines and we are stuck with what ea gives each school other than your coach. Some have said they believe that you can create new pipelines through recruiting but once a level is reached then it doesn’t change. Just curious if anyone can clarify this as imo if we can’t create any new pipelines through our own coaching styles etc that’s a big deal imo and frankly don’t understand that logic if the case.

It came across that you cannot generate new pipelines. However, with the coaching skill tree for HC's and coordinators, you can bridge the gap to recruit out of your pipeline but the pipelines for each school stay the same.

[canes21]

Quote: Originally Posted by Scout75

I’ve read the campus huddle notes and this thread and would like to see if someone can clarify. I’ve seen many people say that pipelines are hard locked meaning they don’t change. The campus huddle says the pipeline LEVEL doesn’t change. So that could be interpreted different ways imo. Some say that schools can’t create new pipelines and we are stuck with what ea gives each school other than your coach. Some have said they believe that you can create new pipelines through recruiting but once a level is reached then it doesn’t change. Just curious if anyone can clarify this as imo if we can’t create any new pipelines through our own coaching styles etc that’s a big deal imo and frankly don’t understand that logic if the case.

There are 50 pipelines.

Each pipeline has 5 levels. 1 means a school has essentially no influence in that pipeline. 5 means that school is king in that pipeline.

EA used historical recruiting data to give each school a level in each pipeline. Those levels cannot change.

Each coach also has a pipeline attached to them. These are set in their profile and do not appear to change.

So, school pipelines are static, but depending on how staffs are made up, their connections to different pipelines can and will change throughout dynasties.

It represents how a school like my favorite, Miami, can suck for 2 decades yet still recruits South Florida better than about anyone else. However, now that Mario Cristobal and his staff are in place, they've created a bit of a pipeline to Bishop Gorman in Las Vegas.

Once Mario and this staff are no longer in place, odds are Miami will continue to recruit South Florida well, but that connection to Bishop Gorman will probably be lost and will no longer be a feeder school, or a pipeline.

For most FBS schools, that's how it works. Penn State recruits Pennsylvania and Ohio well, but had no connection to South Florida until Franklin brought Sieder on staff. Alabala recruits the southeast well but never had a foot in South Florida until they got coaches with connections there.

Nebraksa has been mediocre for years now but remains the mecca for all the people living in and around Nebraska and most talented kids want to stay home and be Cornhuskers.

It's just how recruiting has proven to be over the years. Schools have certain areas they have influence over that doesn't change staff to staff and then each staff has additional connections they have that disappear once they are gone.

This system looks like it is aiming to replicate that and I love the idea of it. If executed well, I think it will be great for the mode and will make staff building have just that much more depth to it.

[canes21]

And, if this system works as it sounds like it will, if you are able to take a school and turn them into a powerhouse, the recruits having 3 main interests and potential deal breakers should make it to where even if you don't have South Florida as a pipeline, any top tier talent there is likely going to value at least 1 of Pro Potential, Coach Prestige, Program Prestige, or Championship Contender status and that will immediately make them interested in your school.

That's pretty much how it works in the real world. If DeBoer somehow flops at Alabama and that program takes a few steps back, you can be sure that the fine people of Alabama are still going to treat that school better than Christ and send their kids there, but the top talents of places like South Florida are going to stop sending the Jerry Jeudys and Patrick Surtains there. Those kids will go to whoever is still an elite program like a UGA or Ohio State.

The point is, Alabama is an example of school having a dynasty rolling and through coach connections and just being elite they create a small pipeline into areas like South Florida, but if they ever take a step back, that pipeline is instantly lost. Their only true pipelines that won't really disappear no matter what are the schools in the immediate surrounding areas where they are the big time regional school that everyone loves.

There really aren't any true cases of a school rising up and creating brand new pipelines that last through multiple coaching staffs that have no connection to one another. Schools tend to recruit regionally to varying degrees, but outside pipelines tend to come from coaching connections and come and go with the coaches.

[dhs22p]

Quote: Originally Posted by canes21

However, now that Mario Cristobal and his staff are in place, they've created a bit of a pipeline to Bishop Gorman in Las Vegas.

I wonder if there are other Metro Pipelines? Las Vegas? St Louis?

[illwill10]

Quote: Originally Posted by canes21

There are 50 pipelines. Each pipeline has 5 levels. 1 means a school has essentially no influence in that pipeline. 5 means that school is king in that pipeline. EA used historical recruiting data to give each school a level in each pipeline. Those levels cannot change. Each coach also has a pipeline attached to them. These are set in their profile and do not appear to change. So, school pipelines are static, but depending on how staffs are made up, their connections to different pipelines can and will change throughout dynasties. This system looks like it is aiming to replicate that and I love the idea of it. If executed well, I think it will be great for the mode and will make staff building have just that much more depth to it.

I just wonder where Teambuilder teams fall in this subject. I do hope there is enough customization for Teambuilder teams when it comes to pipelines. I fear it'll either by random or we'll assume the replaced team's pipeline. Or at the very least, I hope the system recognizes the location of the school and generates appropriate pipelines. So, if my school is located in South Florida, I would want pipelines around that South East location

[tessl]

Pipeline levels can't change. I doubt you can get a new pipeline for the school. If school and coach pipelines stack that might be a way to improve the level. Not sure if coordinators have pipelines.

In both the blog and video I noticed things indicating recruiting has changed.

The higher your pipeline level, the stronger your influence is in the region. This will boost a recruit’s initial interest in your school and the impact of your pitches.

Previously pipeline gave you points per week - I think it was 50. Now it appears you get an initial boost and then spend points to pitch a recruit each week and apparently there is a pitch tree for the recruiter archetype that branches out from each category. That's an additional bonus for pipelines making it even more valuable.

Previously depending on your coach's scouting skill you could only scout a certain amount weekly. In the video they scouted a recruit 3 times in succession spending 10 points each time and he was fully scouted without having to advance a week.

A school’s pipeline level will never change, which ensures that schools who are historically strong recruiters in a given region will always have an advantage. For example, Florida has historically dominated recruiting in Central Florida in areas like Lakeland, Tampa, and Orlando. Similarly, LSU regularly reaches into East Texas and all along the gulf coast.


I read that last part about LSU to mean a school can have more than one pipeline since the gulf coast involves a lot more than East Texas. I suspect the power 4 schools will have multiple pipelines at different levels. I'm looking forward to the teambuilder blog/video to see how this is handled. Do I pick my pipeline(s) and level when I build my school?

[PDuncanOSU]

An instance where I could see static pipelines being a problem:

I'm guessing Florida, Florida State and Miami would have Level 5 (or whatever the highest level is called) pipelines for the 3 Florida regions.

What about USF, UCF and other smaller Florida schools though? Let's assume they have Level 3 pipelines or below for the 3 Florida regions.

If I start at dynasty with USF, have success, move them to the ACC or SEC, win a conference title and become a perennial national title contender why shouldn't USF eventually get a Level 5 pipeline in the south Florida region?

Or do those schools start with Level 5 pipelines in the Florida regions and it's their lower program prestige, etc that keeps them from recruiting against the big schools?