Need some defensive help

[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by Collegefbfan

Yeah this is super useful. I can’t wait to read more carefully. I will say I have read a few things, and I am by no means an expert either. Come out in Cover 4 but disguise it with Cover 2. The offense sees cover two and think they can attack the middle. I have noticed don’t do it repeatedly, because the CPU adapts of course.

One thing I'm undecided on with this game pertains to Cover 4 Quarters. In real life and even in Madden to an extent Quarters is pretty good at getting both safeties in run support. I need to run it a little more to ensure that is the case here.

Many would understandably think cover 2 is better vs the run than cover 4, but its not the case. Cover 4 is great against spread option teams. Instead of dropping back, in a cover 4 both safeties make a flat foot read and if they read run they get downhill to fill (why it is more susceptible to PA than other defenses)

Not sure how using a 2 shell would impact that or even if CFB incorporates the flat foot read (just checked, its present), so just something to consider

[Hooe]

Sky / Buzz / Cloud is common football terminology shared across many defensive systems used to indicate who is the force defender in run support on the side of the run strength:

Sky = Safety is the force defender
Buzz = Linebacker (or replacement defensive back in Dime / Dollar personnel) is the force defender
Cloud = Cornerback is the force defender

Other than that, everything ggsimmonds wrote up.

[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

Sky / Buzz / Cloud is common football terminology shared across many defensive systems used to indicate who is the force defender in run support on the side of the run strength: Sky = Safety is the force defender Buzz = Linebacker (or replacement defensive back in Dime / Dollar personnel) is the force defender Cloud = Cornerback is the force defender Other than that, everything ggsimmonds wrote up.

Thank you! I knew what they do and the differences but never learned where the naming came from

[Collegefbfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by ggsimmonds

One thing I'm undecided on with this game pertains to Cover 4 Quarters. In real life and even in Madden to an extent Quarters is pretty good at getting both safeties in run support. I need to run it a little more to ensure that is the case here. Many would understandably think cover 2 is better vs the run than cover 4, but its not the case. Cover 4 is great against spread option teams. Instead of dropping back, in a cover 4 both safeties make a flat foot read and if they read run they get downhill to fill (why it is more susceptible to PA than other defenses) Not sure how using a 2 shell would impact that or even if CFB incorporates the flat foot read (just checked, its present), so just something to consider

I was thinking in more terms of the offense needing a definite pass to hit. Especially in the video game world, not real life. CPU "reads or sees" Cover 2 and thinks seams are open, but the defense being in an actual cover 4 could be good against the seams. But like I said, I did not make this up. I read it or saw it somewhere. I can't take credit for any of. Never played a down of organized football.

[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by Collegefbfan

I was thinking in more terms of the offense needing a definite pass to hit. Especially in the video game world, not real life. CPU "reads or sees" Cover 2 and thinks seams are open, but the defense being in an actual cover 4 could be good against the seams. But like I said, I did not make this up. I read it or saw it somewhere. I can't take credit for any of. Never played a down of organized football.

Oh for sure, I was just adding that for the benefit of others. Everything is a give and take. I just want to let others know what they are giving

[Collegefbfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by ggsimmonds

Some additional insight on Cloud vs Sky Treat Sky as your base cover 3, then switch to Buzz/Cloud to adapt to what the offense is hurting you with. Cloud gets special consideration because its basically a built in cover 3 from a cover 2 look. There are other weaknesses to each of these that I didn't mention because its common to all cover 3 coverages. For example plays called "Curl Flats" will eat cover 3 all day. Thats how you drive down the length of the field 6-8 yards at a time.

For this part here. Are you saying that it is already disguised. So, we don't need to disguise it with a Cover 2 shell?

[Collegefbfan]

Also, is there a general basic rule to go by for audibles when the CPU offense comes out and runs no huddle like crazy for so many plays in a row?

I feel like the audibles that are set already suck pretty badly. I know there are many, too many to go over. But say I run a successful blitz, the offense plays no huddle, comes out, I don't want to blitz again.

Ideas?

[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by Collegefbfan

For this part here. Are you saying that it is already disguised. So, we don't need to disguise it with a Cover 2 shell?

Correct, it breaks the huddle with a two deep look.

It correctly does in the playbooks I've used but there could be some instances where it doesn't. If you're running 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 that could throw a wrench in it