Religation and Fluid Conferences

[GeneralMike]

Quote: Originally Posted by dochalladay32

A bowl is a bowl in the game. In my classic setups, a good independent is probably going to get into the BCS because of name and the fact there are 4 at larges; Big East doesn't exist for most of my years and the ACC has no FSU, no Miami, no VaTech. I could almost guarantee an independent will be in a big name bowl yearly. Now if I'm routinely having 10 and 11-win independents showing up in the New Mexico Bowl, then ok, it will get annoying, but I doubt it happens. I'm fine with this happening: SEC is only 10 teams so they don't fill the Liberty Bowl bid. Insert an independent. I'd take an 9-3 independent against my MVC champion. May bother you, but wouldn't bother me. I'd much rather get to change all bowl bids, but without it, it'll work for me. At the end of the day, if I accomplish this, I'll be happy with the result: the SEC, Big Ten, Pac 10, Big 8, and SWC will all have their champion in their historical bowl (if only I could get the WAC in the Holiday Bowl), which will always happen unless the SWC champion gets into the BCS and then 2nd place will go to the Cotton; as few non-1A's go to bowls as possible and I'm thinking containing them in the Sun Belt when possible will give me that; smaller conferences will leave enough at large bids that hopefully independents go to games to make it worthwhile. The only thing about that it that won't be realistic is that the MVC almost never went to a bowl game, but they'll send several teams in my system. Outside of that, I would hope that the results are proportional. If 15% of independents went to bowls in 1986, I would hope that with my 1986 setup, about that many go. The SEC is the only one that probably won't increase as much; they sent 6 and 7 bowl teams some years. The system doesn't work that great all the time in the modern era. There is no way you are going to get a perfect working system with changes, so you have to give and take.

Different strokes for different folks, but it is going to screw up prestige advancements, when you need a "January" bowl win to go from 4* to 5*.

[Redacted01]

Like I said, if there are 4 at large spots in the BCS and you win 11 or 12 games, there is probably a really great chance you are in the BCS in some form. If you are going to a BCS bowl at 9-3, then the game has bigger flaws. I haven't done a dynasty with an independent, so do we know that even shows up for sure for them? Maybe Notre Dame. But in my system, if you wanted to stay independent, your goal would be to wind up at Penn State, Notre Dame, Miami, FSU, Pittsburgh, a school like that. It is safe to say you could pull off an at large selection. I keep getting more and more likely that I'm going to buy this game at release just to see how all this plays out, but I know I should wait.

But the TicketCity, Outback, Capital One, Gator, GoDaddy, Cotton, Compass, Fight Hunger are all January bowls if you want to be literal. Two of those right off I know take bottom feeders and another has a deal with independents. Depending on how intelligent they are at programming January bowl... If this was 2000 and it said go to a January bowl, it would have a point. These days that doesn't matter.

[boisejames]

So I'm thinking of doing three "divisions" each with four tiers. Each conference will have 10 teams and a round robin schedule.

Does anyone know the conference prestiges? I kind of need to know to figure out how to order the tiers. I'm thinking (I know there will be no way to name these divisions, I just did for fun):

South: SEC>ACC>C-USA>Sunbelt

North: B1G>Big East>MAC>Ind

West: PAC 12>BIG XII>MWC>WAC

I'm sure the North and South will work for the prestige order but I'm wondering if the BIG XII is considered more prestigous than the PAC 12 in the game. Other than (possibly) those two, I think it works pretty well. If conference prestige is fluid then it will work fine no matter what because it will all eventually work itself out.

I will start with all teams in the conference they were in last year except I will move teams down to create the ten team format. Also, I will move five teams from the south to the north so every "division" has 40 teams. The five I choose to move will depened on what the presige difference is because I will want all three divisions to be close in average team prestige.

The average prestige of the total 120 teams is 2.925. Each "division" should have a total of 117 stars. I counted the west since they already have 40 teams and they have 120. That's close enough imo because it will all change eventually anyway.



I'm hoping we can create BCS tie ins for more than just the champions. If we can:

Rose: B1G champ vs PAC 12 champ

Sugar: SEC champ vs anually alternating PAC 12/B1G #2

Orange: SEC #2 vs annually alternating PAC 12/B1G #2

Fiesta: At large vs At large



if we can't (more likely):

Rose: B1G vs PAC 12

Sugar: SEC vs At large

Orange: At large vs At large

Fiesta: At large vs At large


It probably won't matter too much because two of the champions will probably meet in the NCG more often than not.



To advance to the next tier a team must either win their conference or win a BCS bowl. If a team from a lower tier (3rd or 4th) wins the NCG, it can move up two tiers.




So basically I have a couple questions: Does anyone know what the conference prestiges will be? Or will they be fluid? and; Can we tie conferences to more than one BCS bowl?

[Redacted01]

Quote: Originally Posted by boisejames

Can we tie conferences to more than one BCS bowl?

Conferences get only one BCS bid. The only way a conferences gets in 2 teams is if the other is an at large or some how makes it into the title game without winning the conference; see Nebraska 2001.

[boisejames]

Quote: Originally Posted by dochalladay32

Conferences get only one BCS bid. The only way a conferences gets in 2 teams is if the other is an at large or some how makes it into the title game without winning the conference; see Nebraska 2001.

Thanks. I figured this was the case but was hoping otherwise. I will just have to use the second format I showed.

And actually, if i remember correctly, a conference can have three teams in if a non champion makes it to the title game.

[Redacted01]

"No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings."

You are correct, but that will never ever happen. 2 non-champions at 1 and 2 means there has to be some collusion going on somewhere.

[boisejames]

Quote: Originally Posted by dochalladay32

"No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings." You are correct, but that will never ever happen. 2 non-champions at 1 and 2 means there has to be some collusion going on somewhere.

Okay I remember now. I was thinking you only needed one non champion.


No word on conference prestige?

[phily915]

I do not have any word on conference prestige, but I was hoping you guys could help me out on this one. I, too, have been thinking of the best way to do my custom conferences. I created this thread and have since changed my idea to follow the 4 conferences with 3 tiers. The #1 tier includes the highest prestige schools and highest ranked schools in 4 conferences with 12 teams a piece. These teams will play 9 conference games. I wanted to do it this way to ensure the best teams were playing the other best teams each week. In this system I have basically stripped the BCSNC from having any importance unless BCS #1 & #2 are from the top tier. Which, I believe that even if these top tier teams lose 3 games, they may still have an advantage over the lower tiered teams due to SOS (please tell me if this logic is inaccurate)

The second tier will include the next highest prestige schools and the next highest ranked teams. This will include 4 conferences of 10 teams playing 9 conference games. The winner of each of the 4 conferences will play in a BCS bowl with the winner having a chance to advance to the upper tier, thus getting a chance to play with the big boys. With the advance of these 2 BCS winners, the 2 worst teams from the top tier (I will determine the worst 2) will be relegated to the middle tier for the following year.

Finally I have the lower tier consisting mostly of 2* & 1* prestige schools with the lowest initial ranks. There are 4 conferences of 8 teams and will play 7 league games. The 4 conference champions will advance to the middle tier each year will the last place teams in each conference of the middle tier will be relegated. These teams have the least amount of a chance of playing with the big doggs!

I need your help in establishing the importance of OOC games for each level. Here is a picture of my conference setup with some additional information on it and I just need help with the ???

Thanks for the help!

Other Notes:
Tier #1:
- Conference Championship Games
- If a 3* program drops to a 2*, they are automatically relegated to the middle tier ( I will decide its replacement)
- If a 2* program drops to a 1*, they are automatically relegated to the middel tier ( I will decide its replacement)
- Need help with OOC importance?
- Also, need help with BCS Bowl win importance? - I am gonna keep track of the National Champions myself even though it may be different than what the game says. So, of the two Tier #1 BCS games, I will decide which is the NC (I don't think this will effect recruiting even though the game will think a different team is the NC). But, if the BCSNC is with 2 top tier teams, then that will stand as the NC.
**Sorry if this is too much**

Middle Tier:
-The Big East teams will upgrade to the B1G the first year, ACC to the SEC, MWC to Pac12, & CUSA to BigXII.
- 2nd Year - each conference shifts to the right, so 20 years from now, the same teams are not in the same conferences.
- OOC game importance - ????

Lowest Tier:
- Conference champion upgrades: MAC to Big East, Indep. to ACC, WAC to MWC, & Sun Belt to CUSA
- OCC game importance - ???? again
- If conference champion is set to upgrade but loses a bowl game to another lowest tier conference champion or another team, there upgrading privileges are revoked.