Video demonstrating a flaw in the ai

[Anaxamander]

Quote: Originally Posted by MagicMan1315

Hrmm... how was anything I said making fun of him? Juts saying he enjoys watching tape. Its how he chooses to spend his time. I don't know where he gets it, just that he has alot of it. I may not agree with how he spends it, but I am not going to tell him how he should. Saying he has taken the time to look at the video game inside and out and so sees more of the little thing than me. Its all about how you choose perceive. If you feel like everyone is going to make fun of everyone else on the internet then you probably will think I just want to make fun of the guy. But the bigger travesty here is that out of my post, the only thing you focused on was that I was allegedly mocking Versus when all I was saying is that people are too critical on sports games in general. In fact, I am starting to believe that most people that have issues with NCAA/Madden are people that don't play other videos games and think they will be so accurate to the real thing when even your best video game series and companies on the market, (Metal Gear Solid and Elder Scrolls series are two that come right to mind) have major flaws in them. But people don't grip as much about them because they understand that even though the games that came out are not perfect, they are understand that it is a damn good game regardless. You can instant replay every game and find glitches, clipping, psychic stuff, etc, etc, etc, and then think the game is unplayable but that is not fair the to makers of the video game. Even though they make video games using a computer and lines of code, it is still done by human hands. And humans, as we all know, are imperfect creatures. The difference is that people who create things, such as Video games or hell, even the US Constitution, are imperfect things. All I am saying is that you guys only take the fun out the game you guys play by keep sabotaging it. Just stop looking at these things under a fine tooth comb.

Honestly, if EA listened to guys like you, we'd never get a game that has any improvements. Then their slogan could be "Hey, nobody's perfect--we're all human."

In reality, it's perfectly within the realm of human fallibility to create AI that reacts somewhat realistically. Notice I didn't say they had to be sentient beings, but it is within the power of videogame programmers to make them react somewhat like humans react.

[MaddenFranchise10]

Quote: Originally Posted by NDAlum

I find practice mode to be completely irrelevant to the actual gameplay.

That's EA's own fault. Why even make a practice mode that plays nothing like a game? It defeats the entire purpose of having a practice mode. Add it to the pile of flaws and gross oversights this game was released with.

Also, the core gameplay issue versuz was discussing is still prevalent during games, so your assertion is meaningless.

Quote: Originally Posted by Broncos86

It's simple math, Football Dungeons and Dragons.

That's so true, and so sad.

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

If it's a simple numbers check based on ratings say the prc rating or some combo of ratings I am ok with that. I want my players to play to their ratings.

So you'd rather have the opposing team/players cheat instead of making realistic reads/plays? That's absurd. Why wouldn't you want to have ratings affect players in a realistic manner? Why defend EA's laziness and utter lack of innovation.

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

I've seen this in past versions but I am not seeing this now.

I don't mean to single you out again, but that's ridiculous. Why even post that "you haven't seen it..."? What does that accomplish? Do you think such a pithy and inconsequential response refutes the existence of these gameplay flaws?

What happens to your "argument" when a dozen more people say, "I have seen it..."?

It's such a pointless thing for you to post, but hey, gotta get that post count up somehow, right?



Ultimately, I believe there are three possible reasons why most people notice this, and other, glaring gameplay flaws, and yet you do not:

1. You have a completely different game than the rest of the world. EA made it especially for you, since you're so awesome. It's free of gameplay issues and bugs.

2. You simply aren't as aware of things as most people. Perhaps you are in denial.

3. You're affiliated with EA somehow and are blatantly lying to moderate the growing (and legitimate) anti-EA rhetoric (which obviously hurts your feelings).

So which one are you? Guy 1, 2, or 3? I'm not even joking. If I just understood where you're coming from, I think I could take you more seriously.

[MaddenFranchise10]

Quote: Originally Posted by MagicMan1315

Hrmm... how was anything I said making fun of him?

I agree.

None of your jokes about him were funny at all.

Quote: Originally Posted by MagicMan1315

He may be right.. but that stuff doesn't bother me really. I don't watch the game that closely. I have short term amnesia when it comes to playing video games."

Some of us aren't casual gamers (nothing wrong with that) or brain-dead (...) and actually appreciate realism in our video games.

We want the game to play and feel as though it's true-to-life. When defenses resort to cheating, any semblance of realism and "fun" vanishes.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by MaddenFranchise10

So you'd rather have the opposing team/players cheat instead of making realistic reads/plays? That's absurd. Why wouldn't you want to have ratings affect players in a realistic manner? Why defend EA's laziness and utter lack of innovation.

What??? did you even read what I wrote? How did you come to this conclusion? Are you so eager to take shots at me, you simply skip reading what I post?

Quote: Originally Posted by MaddenFranchise10

I don't mean to single you out again, but that's ridiculous. Why even post that "you haven't seen it..."? What does that accomplish? Do you think such a pithy and inconsequential response refutes the existence of these gameplay flaws? What happens to your "argument" when a dozen more people say, "I have seen it..."? It's such a pointless thing for you to post, but hey, gotta get that post count up somehow, right? Ultimately, I believe there are three possible reasons why most people notice this, and other, glaring gameplay flaws, and yet you do not: 1. You have a completely different game than the rest of the world. EA made it especially for you, since you're so awesome. It's free of gameplay issues and bugs. 2. You simply aren't as aware of things as most people. Perhaps you are in denial. 3. You're affiliated with EA somehow and are blatantly lying to moderate the growing (and legitimate) anti-EA rhetoric (which obviously hurts your feelings). So which one are you? Guy 1, 2, or 3? I'm not even joking. If I just understood where you're coming from, I think I could take you more seriously.

Is this not a forum for discussing this issue? I merely posted my observations on a subject. Am I not allowed to do so? And who elected you to a position where it's up to you what and where I post? Nor do I have to justify what I post to you. I posted an observation. Apparently that upsets you. You'll have to get over it. There was no argument, as I said, I wasn't doubting people who say they've seen it.

Whether someone like you takes me seriously is really of no consequence to me.

[MaddenFranchise10]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

What??? did you even read what I wrote? How did you come to this conclusion? Are you so eager to take shots at me, you simply skip reading what I post?

You said you wanted players to play to their ratings. You have not stated anything else worthwhile in this thread. If I am wrong, please correct me and elaborate.

But that means nothing. You have trouble contextualizing your points. Does that mean you disagree with Versuz? Does it mean you agree with his assertions, but still want ratings to be involved?

I didn't "skip reading what you posted," it's just that your posts are often pithy and ambiguous.

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Is this not a forum for discussing this issue? I merely posted my observations on a subject. Am I not allowed to do so? And who elected you to a position where it's up to you what and where I post? Nor do I have to justify what I post to you. I posted an observation. Apparently that upsets you. You'll have to get over it. There was no argument, as I said, I wasn't doubting people who say they've seen it. Whether someone like you takes me seriously is really of no consequence to me.

Getting defensive, I see. Obviously you can post what you want where you want to, I was merely trying to make sense of it.

So if you're not doubting that the issue exists, or that others have seen this issue many times, how is it that you haven't noticed it? 1, 2, or 3? You still haven't answered..

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by MaddenFranchise10

You said you wanted players to play to their ratings. You have not stated anything else worthwhile in this thread. If I am wrong, please correct me and elaborate. But that means nothing. You have trouble contextualizing your points. Does that mean you disagree with Versuz? Does it mean you agree with his assertions, but still want ratings to be involved? I didn't "skip reading what you posted," it's just that your posts are often pithy and ambiguous.

There was nothing pithy nor ambiguous about what I posted. I replied to a user, he seemed to understand what I said, not sure why you can't.

Quote: Originally Posted by MaddenFranchise10

Getting defensive, I see. Obviously you can post what you want where you want to, I was merely trying to make sense of it. So if you're not doubting that the issue exists, or that others have seen this issue many times, how is it that you haven't noticed it? 1, 2, or 3? You still haven't answered..

Not defensive at all. I simply have not noticed it. Simple as that. Merely an observation. If that's not good enough for you I don't know what to tell you. Not sure why you are so desperate to make this adversarial.

[ChubbyBanana]

Quote: Originally Posted by MaddenFranchise10

Getting defensive, I see. Obviously you can post what you want where you want to, I was merely trying to make sense of it. So if you're not doubting that the issue exists, or that others have seen this issue many times, how is it that you haven't noticed it? 1, 2, or 3? You still haven't answered..

Let's discuss the issues and not question whether or not people are seeing it from now on. BK said he doesn't see it, he doesn't see it.

No need to single him out and throw out accusations of a "Secret Copy". We all know that's ridiculous.

[MaddenFranchise10]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

There was nothing pithy nor ambiguous about what I posted.

Stop futilely defending the depth and length of your posts. Seriously, go read them (#20 is the only one with any substance). You lose credibility with every exchange. I'm now doubting whether you even understand what the adjectives "pithy" and "ambiguous" mean. That's pretty awful.

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Not defensive at all. I simply have not noticed it. Simple as that. Merely an observation. If that's not good enough for you I don't know what to tell you. Not sure why you are so desperate to make this adversarial.

Simple as that, huh? Merely an observation? If your skills of observation are so atrocious as to not notice the plethora of glaring issues the rest of us can, perhaps you're not the best judge of this game. That makes your observations quite pointless, right? Think about it.

You still haven't answered.. 1, 2, or 3? I'm thinking it's a combo 2-3. Am I incorrect?