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glucklich · 07-13-2004, 12:25 PM

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Clay_OS said:
First off all...you don't have to bump a thread after 9 minutes.

Second, there are too many factors for a "gamer" (and I use that term loosely because you clearly have no want to actually play the game) to properly devise a test to determine what is in the AI logic put in by the Devs.

Finally, stats and 40 times (speed ratings) mean nothing in a game situation. Watch any football game and you'll see it played out time and time again.

LOL, this is what your argument has been reduced to...more personal insults (even though you know nothing about me) and the ol' safe route by "watch any football game". Do you have an itemized list of the times this has occurred in a football game so you can look back and eveluate in each given situation you are referring to whether or not the ballcarrier was injured or tired? Thats such a lame reference on which to base your argument. What I was describing was testing the speed cheat in a practice mode where injuries and fatigue were non factors. Do you know the difference between an apple and an orange?

glucklich · 07-13-2004, 12:27 PM

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I created a 95 SPD RB last night and tested the SPD attrubute ratings on AA vs Heisman. The team I tested against had a mid 90s SPD CB and the other CB was an 84. On Heisman when my RB would get out in front of the 84 SPD CB the RB wouldnt pull away really...last year he would. On AA however, the SPD attribute ratings were truer. If you want attribute ratings to be apples-to-apples as i do, you might want to consider this or check it out for yourself. I tested this in practice mode with the ball at my own ten and throwing a pass to the running back against the goalline defense where everyone but the corners blitz.

I appreciate you testing out to see if things are equal. It saves me the time I would waste trying to play on Heisman, but eventually realizing it was never an even playing field. Good looking out.

Youre welcome...its nice to know not everyone will erroneously blast you if you try to look out.

mgoblue · 07-13-2004, 12:27 PM

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side question, aren't you faster sprinting without holding a football than you would be while running with a football? that might factor into all this, i dunno

HA HA...simple Wolverine...

Get a football in my hands and then throw someone trying to kill me behind me...I'll run faster than I do normally...lol

good point...maybe we should tell football players that they have a sniper trained on them, that'd make them run faster too

Dame · 07-13-2004, 12:29 PM

just let it go

glucklich · 07-13-2004, 12:31 PM

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Fatigue...

I agree i wasnt very fast but on the field with pads on i was catching alot people who if we had street race i wouldnt have a chance in hell of beating so it's some type of realistic in the game

I agree with what youre saying, about how wearing pads affects peoples' ability to run differently but this is a video game and it occurs in a vaccuum. This nuance doesnt exist nor would I want it to. It would be comical if your 99 SPD RB gets caught by a 78 CB and you attribute it to wearing pads even though they are both wearing pads. When a player in a VG has a rating its implicit that it is in pads as he is always in pads...he doesnt exist out of pads.

mgoblue · 07-13-2004, 12:34 PM

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glucklich said:

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Fatigue...

I agree i wasnt very fast but on the field with pads on i was catching alot people who if we had street race i wouldnt have a chance in hell of beating so it's some type of realistic in the game

I agree with what youre saying, about how wearing pads affects peoples' ability to run differently but this is a video game and it occurs in a vaccuum. This nuance doesnt exist nor would I want it to. It would be comical if your 99 SPD RB gets caught by a 78 CB and you attribute it to wearing pads even though they are both wearing pads. When a player in a VG has a rating its implicit that it is in pads as he is always in pads...he doesnt exist out of pads.

so he's wearing pads when he's out committing NCAA infractions that you have to penalize him for?

Dame · 07-13-2004, 12:37 PM

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glucklich said:

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Fatigue...

I agree i wasnt very fast but on the field with pads on i was catching alot people who if we had street race i wouldnt have a chance in hell of beating so it's some type of realistic in the game

I agree with what youre saying, about how wearing pads affects peoples' ability to run differently but this is a video game and it occurs in a vaccuum. This nuance doesnt exist nor would I want it to. It would be comical if your 99 SPD RB gets caught by a 78 CB and you attribute it to wearing pads even though they are both wearing pads. When a player in a VG has a rating its implicit that it is in pads as he is always in pads...he doesnt exist out of pads.

I feel you on that i hope its not that drastic though

Wsv771 · 07-13-2004, 12:38 PM

Geez the game's barely been out a day, just play it damnit, lol.

07-13-2004, 12:25 PM	#25
glucklich Banned OVR: 14 Join Date: Jun 2004	Re: There is a speed cheat on Heisman Quote: *Clay_OS said:* First off all...you don't have to bump a thread after 9 minutes. Second, there are too many factors for a "gamer" (and I use that term loosely because you clearly have no want to actually play the game) to properly devise a test to determine what is in the AI logic put in by the Devs. Finally, stats and 40 times (speed ratings) mean nothing in a game situation. Watch any football game and you'll see it played out time and time again. LOL, this is what your argument has been reduced to...more personal insults (even though you know nothing about me) and the ol' safe route by "watch any football game". Do you have an itemized list of the times this has occurred in a football game so you can look back and eveluate in each given situation you are referring to whether or not the ballcarrier was injured or tired? Thats such a lame reference on which to base your argument. What I was describing was testing the speed cheat in a practice mode where injuries and fatigue were non factors. Do you know the difference between an apple and an orange?

07-13-2004, 12:27 PM	#26
glucklich Banned OVR: 14 Join Date: Jun 2004	Re: There is a speed cheat on Heisman Quote: *Anaxamander said:* Quote: *glucklich said:* I created a 95 SPD RB last night and tested the SPD attrubute ratings on AA vs Heisman. The team I tested against had a mid 90s SPD CB and the other CB was an 84. On Heisman when my RB would get out in front of the 84 SPD CB the RB wouldnt pull away really...last year he would. On AA however, the SPD attribute ratings were truer. If you want attribute ratings to be apples-to-apples as i do, you might want to consider this or check it out for yourself. I tested this in practice mode with the ball at my own ten and throwing a pass to the running back against the goalline defense where everyone but the corners blitz. I appreciate you testing out to see if things are equal. It saves me the time I would waste trying to play on Heisman, but eventually realizing it was never an even playing field. Good looking out. Youre welcome...its nice to know not everyone will erroneously blast you if you try to look out.

07-13-2004, 12:27 PM	#27
mgoblue Go Wings! OVR: 41 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 25,634 Blog Entries: 1	Re: There is a speed cheat on Heisman Quote: *medlinke said:* Quote: *mgoblue said:* side question, aren't you faster sprinting without holding a football than you would be while running with a football? that might factor into all this, i dunno HA HA...simple Wolverine... Get a football in my hands and then throw someone trying to kill me behind me...I'll run faster than I do normally...lol good point...maybe we should tell football players that they have a sniper trained on them, that'd make them run faster too

07-13-2004, 12:29 PM	#28
Dame Sweettouch OVR: 19 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lansing, MI Posts: 1,247	Re: There is a speed cheat on Heisman just let it go

07-13-2004, 12:31 PM	#29
glucklich Banned OVR: 14 Join Date: Jun 2004	Re: There is a speed cheat on Heisman Quote: Fatigue... I agree i wasnt very fast but on the field with pads on i was catching alot people who if we had street race i wouldnt have a chance in hell of beating so it's some type of realistic in the game I agree with what youre saying, about how wearing pads affects peoples' ability to run differently but this is a video game and it occurs in a vaccuum. This nuance doesnt exist nor would I want it to. It would be comical if your 99 SPD RB gets caught by a 78 CB and you attribute it to wearing pads even though they are both wearing pads. When a player in a VG has a rating its implicit that it is in pads as he is always in pads...he doesnt exist out of pads.

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07-13-2004, 12:34 PM	#30
mgoblue Go Wings! OVR: 41 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 25,634 Blog Entries: 1	Re: There is a speed cheat on Heisman Quote: *glucklich said:* Quote: Fatigue... I agree i wasnt very fast but on the field with pads on i was catching alot people who if we had street race i wouldnt have a chance in hell of beating so it's some type of realistic in the game I agree with what youre saying, about how wearing pads affects peoples' ability to run differently but this is a video game and it occurs in a vaccuum. This nuance doesnt exist nor would I want it to. It would be comical if your 99 SPD RB gets caught by a 78 CB and you attribute it to wearing pads even though they are both wearing pads. When a player in a VG has a rating its implicit that it is in pads as he is always in pads...he doesnt exist out of pads. so he's wearing pads when he's out committing NCAA infractions that you have to penalize him for?

07-13-2004, 12:37 PM	#31
Dame Sweettouch OVR: 19 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lansing, MI Posts: 1,247	Re: There is a speed cheat on Heisman Quote: *glucklich said:* Quote: Fatigue... I agree i wasnt very fast but on the field with pads on i was catching alot people who if we had street race i wouldnt have a chance in hell of beating so it's some type of realistic in the game I agree with what youre saying, about how wearing pads affects peoples' ability to run differently but this is a video game and it occurs in a vaccuum. This nuance doesnt exist nor would I want it to. It would be comical if your 99 SPD RB gets caught by a 78 CB and you attribute it to wearing pads even though they are both wearing pads. When a player in a VG has a rating its implicit that it is in pads as he is always in pads...he doesnt exist out of pads. I feel you on that i hope its not that drastic though

07-13-2004, 12:38 PM	#32
Wsv771 Pro OVR: 6 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina	Re: There is a speed cheat on Heisman Geez the game's barely been out a day, just play it damnit, lol.

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