The ai advantages...

[Minus 80]

Quote: Originally Posted by Keirik

No one is asking the devs to make the game easier. Some are just asking for the cpu to have to abide by the same rules human players have to.

The problem is the lack of understanding as to what the CPU players are doing. They play better and fire off less errant passes and shots because of they use the skarting engine correctly more often than the guys complaining do.

This presents an ability to improve our game and get better by playing smarter. Play on easier difficulties, and the CPU will make more mistakes. That is the entire premise of this thread. On Pro the CPU is fair, but on All-Star it is too perfect.

[Keirik]

Quote: Originally Posted by Minus 80

The problem is the lack of understanding as to what the CPU players are doing. They play better and fire off less errant passes and shots because of they use the skarting engine correctly more often than the guys complaining do. This presents an ability to improve our game and get better by playing smarter. Play on easier difficulties, and the CPU will make more mistakes. That is the entire premise of this thread. On Pro the CPU is fair, but on All-Star it is too perfect.

I don't agree with that at all. There are a ton of us here who are pretty knowledgeable on both hockey itself and the EA series. To say its just a "lack of understanding" is just wrong in my opinion.

Also, this is an ongoing problem in this game for quite a while, even before the new skating engine. Kinda makes the argument of the cpu using the skating engine better a moot point.

[Minus 80]

Quote: Originally Posted by Keirik

Also, this is an ongoing problem in this game for quite a while, even before the new skating engine. Kinda makes the argument of the cpu using the skating engine better a moot point.

All I know if that the videos that are being used as evidence proves the exact opposite of what they are saying.

All this thread does is find a workaround so that one particular segment of gamers can continue with their flawed conspiracy theories around comeback code being used to make the game more challenging. It is a game. It presents challenges and the tools to overcome them. Your inability to do so is not proof of anything.

So I give up. Enjoy you nice little rants about how mean the developers are and how the game cheats you from having fun. Hopefully you guys are in enough of a minority, and EA realizes this, that they won't nerf the game for everyone else.

[kyussmanchu]

Quote: Originally Posted by Minus 80

The first two videos showed a poke check from behind that knocked the puck off your stick. They look awkward, but you should len to protect the puck better. And by that I mean, stop trying to skate through traffic, and pass the puck before you let defenders get on you. In the third, it was a perfect example of what I was talking about. The CPU slowed down into a glide, then passed back to his teammate that ripped off a shot. It's not lightning reflexes, it's something that is easy to do as a human, if you know where your players are.

Ummm....No. if you watch , you'll see that what looks like a poke check (I thought the same thing too) is the continued animation of a failed body check followed by a second missed body check. The defenceman has his arms folded in front of his chest. You don't poke with folded arms.
The other video shows the D-man reaching back for the loose puck. I don't see a poke check there at all.
I really don't see why you feel the need to defend what is obviously unfair play in the favor of the CPU. Do you work for EA Vancouver?
I mean I never saw any of this BS with NHL 12 or 11 or any of the previous games. The D had to actually had to make a play for the puck be it by poke or stick lift or body check.
Thanks

[kyussmanchu]

Quote: Originally Posted by Minus 80

All I know if that the videos that are being used as evidence proves the exact opposite of what they are saying. All this thread does is find a workaround so that one particular segment of gamers can continue with their flawed conspiracy theories around comeback code being used to make the game more challenging. It is a game. It presents challenges and the tools to overcome them. Your inability to do so is not proof of anything. So I give up. Enjoy you nice little rants about how mean the developers are and how the game cheats you from having fun. Hopefully you guys are in enough of a minority, and EA realizes this, that they won't nerf the game for everyone else.

Dude whatever. You come here to try to spin your POV to us and yet you completely ignore everything anyone else says. Your argument is that we suck and we don't know how to play the game and blah blah blah. Say what you will brother, but enough people are seeing and saying the same things and last time I looked, there's no such thing as a shared hallucination.

Later

[Keirik]

Quote: Originally Posted by Minus 80

All I know if that the videos that are being used as evidence proves the exact opposite of what they are saying. All this thread does is find a workaround so that one particular segment of gamers can continue with their flawed conspiracy theories around comeback code being used to make the game more challenging. It is a game. It presents challenges and the tools to overcome them. Your inability to do so is not proof of anything. So I give up. Enjoy you nice little rants about how mean the developers are and how the game cheats you from having fun. Hopefully you guys are in enough of a minority, and EA realizes this, that they won't nerf the game for everyone else.

Well, first of all, you're kind of out of line with the comments. Didn't you just join here? The dev team for this game frequent this board and have always welcomed criticism with open arms and give great feedback. No one is saying any conspiracy theory or anything like that. Great, maybe you think the game is closer to perfect or maybe casual/new to the sport or series/dont care as much? Who knows.

It seems you aren't capable of having this conversation maturely without snide immature comments. It's probably best that you are leaving the thread so some people can go back to a mature level of conversation. Pro tip for you though. You speak for yourself and only yourself, just like the rest of us. Every opinion is welcome but stop acting as if you speak for the majority of anyone. It's a very transparent and pointless argument. There are flaws in the game and thank god the devs don't carry the close mindedness attitude you do.

[Money99]

Quote: Originally Posted by kyussmanchu

my issues with the magical CPU tend to stem from the incredible ability the CPU has to always end up with possession of the puck. I poke it away, it goes right to a CPU player. I hit the player with the puck, he falls on the puck and blocks my ability to get it and then he gets up and get the puck. I block a shot, it deflects right to the CPU who fires off a pin-point accurate shot in milliseconds. I deflect a pass, guess what? It goes right to the CPU. Add to that the fact that the CPU D-men dont even need to stick-lift or poke check to get the puck off of my stick and you have an utterly frustrating experience. Hell, i turned down passing, pass receptions, stick lift, poke check and puck control to 0 for the CPU and tested these settings and the cpu still out passed and possessed me. There's something wrong here.

This has been happening since NHL08. No update is going to fix it.
The problem is EA is incapable of producing sound CPU AI so they give it boosts instead in order to keep the game competitive.

It's why I've passed on purchasing NHL12 and NHL13. When I play games, I don't want to get so angry that I want to punch a kitten.

[Minus 80]

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