Damage and Frame Data

[Lauriedr1ver]

Quote: Originally Posted by SUGATA

I found some questionable "PARADOXES" in Frame data FD - so needs your help, GPD: 0) THE MOST important question - does the current (15.01.2019) Frame data sets are actual and includes all FD updates with the last patches? Spoiler FRAME DATA CHANGES: (upper post = older change) - added an Execution frame (added min 2 frames) penalty to the Longer fighter (to simulate the fact that their longer limbs take more time to reach their target, i.e. slower) - reduce Stopping power of Jab from 0.7 to 0.5. (Example: if an opponent’s Uppercut takes 24 frames to contact, so I have to intercept it 4 frames earlier than before with my Jab in order to stop it. 0.2 is bigger for longer strikes like a Head kick, which takes about 30 frames so 6 frames earlier than before.). In later patch: reduce Stopping power of Jab from 0.5 to 0.3 (b/c Jab was too good at stopping people, while also giving access to great combos and being almost immune to slip counters. The intention is to keep it good for offense, for opening people up; but not so good for intercepting people, which should be the niche of the straight. Now there should be more variaty in how people start their combo, instead of having them starting with a Jab almost every time). - reduced the Block recovery frames on landed Roundhouse Leg kicks to make it so you can not longer land 3 unblockable strikes after a landed Leg kick - 4 frame speed up to 1st FWD Moving Hook to the Head to offer a viable counter to the Sway Straight - slow down Body Jab by 4 frames, slow down Body Straight by 2 frames - 4 frame speed up of the Body Roundhouse kicks - 2 frame speed up of the Switch kick to the Body - increase Stopping power of the Push Off - slow down the Switch kick by 2 frames - reduce the on hit recovery movement for the Overhand and Haymaker to make it possible to Sway the Block counter. 1) Why Straight to Body has NOT Stopping power SP (0) at all? > I agree that Body < Head, but Straight to Liver can stop the opponent. 2) Why the most Back strikes has the same SP as their Lead variant? > Back strikes are longer, has more Damage, are more powerful more kinetic energy so must to have more SP. 3) Why Lead Body Knee has more SP (0.9) than Back body Knee (0.7) and the same Damage? > Back has more way = more kinetic energy = must to have more power (damage) and SP.

Lead body knee is a switch knee, therefore generating more force.

[SUGATA]

4) We have RECOVERY columns for Hit and Miss, but why NO columns for Block (if my strike was Blocked)?
Recovery Block
Block recovery Block
Movement recovery Block



5) Then lets try to PRACTICALLY implement this FD chart to our gameplay:

Recovery Hit - number of my Recovery frames when my strike lands before another my strike can begin outside of my combo. The number of frames it takes to recover after landing the technique before I am free to perform anything.
Recovery Miss - number of my Recovery frames when my strike missed/whiffed before another my strike can begin outside of my combo. The number of frames it takes to recover after missing the technique before I am free to perform anything.
Block Recovery Hit (Recovery Hit Defense) - number of my Recovery frames when my strike lands (hit) before I can Block. The number of frames it takes to recover after landing the technique before I am free to Block.
> This is what you shall pay attention to in order to figure out if a Move is unsafe on Block: Block Recovery Hit and On Block.
WINDOW FOR PUNISHMENT on Block = On Block – (Recovery Hit - Block Recovery).


For example:
Head Lead Hook when it was blocked (for Fast chart)

Window punishment for this = -8 - (22 - 14) = -16

Does it mean that the opponent has 16 frames advantage (window) for landing not evadable strike (punishment)? then it must to be that Strikes with execution <16 frames are guaranteed (Straight to Head for ex)?

What means "-" in this situation?