EA UFC 3 or Undisputed 3 ground game?

[Phillyboi207]

Y’all dudes really be sipping the Nostalgia koolaid hard.

Since when is turn based RPG grappling considered realistic?

UD3 had more depth and better GnP/Posture system. But the basis for UFC 3 is way better. If they tweak stuff like adding minor transitions, fix the stamina so that it works like striking, base the meta around momentum/contextual transitions, add transion based subs, individual move levels for positions as well as animations.

Like there’s much that can be added to the current ground game but the base is way better with dynamic grappling.

[bmlimo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phillyboi207

Y’all dudes really be sipping the Nostalgia koolaid hard. Since when is turn based RPG grappling considered realistic? UD3 had more depth and better GnP/Posture system. But the basis for UFC 3 is way better. If they tweak stuff like adding minor transitions, fix the stamina so that it works like striking, base the meta around momentum/contextual transitions, add transion based subs, individual move levels for positions as well as animations. Like there’s much that can be added to the current ground game but the base is way better with dynamic grappling.

The G.A and filling the grappling metter are turns bro...
If you have more G.A it’s your turn to make a move...
In undisputed we had the deny system but only for sweep, u could stall only pressing to the left... but u would have to progress to maintain the position posture up and throw gnp than go back and stall... you could secure a 5:00 minuts round doing that ... it’s not nostalgia we just think this system is terrible

[Phillyboi207]

Everything you do isnt 100% based on GA

Momentum transitions matter, stamina matters. You can perform actions to help make it safer to move in terms of striking or faking.

I never understood the complaint about the meters. It’s just a visual representstion of the frames needed to finish the movement. Every single action in any game technically uses a “meter”, it’s just hidden.

https://youtu.be/Qdod9Flmqx8?t=6m11s

The current grappling system is far from turned based. You have contextual transitions that happen when you both move simultaneously. You can also move while your opp attempts to gain GA through strikes or feints.

There’s a lack of positions, good GnP , and too much of a reliance on feints. But momentum/ contextual transitions blow UF3 out of the water.

The stuff in that video is beyond cool.

Now clinching is another story and needs a lot of work as well.

[bmlimo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phillyboi207

Everything you do isnt 100% based on GA Momentum transitions matter, stamina matters. You can perform actions to help make it safer to move in terms of striking or faking. I never understood the complaint about the meters. It’s just a visual representstion of the frames needed to finish the movement. Every single action in any game technically uses a “meter”, it’s just hidden. https://youtu.be/Qdod9Flmqx8?t=6m11s The current grappling system is far from turned based. You have contextual transitions that happen when you both move simultaneously. You can also move while your opp attempts to gain GA through strikes or feints. There’s a lack of positions, good GnP , and too much of a reliance on feints. But momentum/ contextual transitions blow UF3 out of the water. The stuff in that video is beyond cool. Now clinching is another story and needs a lot of work as well.

Yeah there we didnt have momentum transitions, we had minor, major and unique transitions...also we had a set of sweep transitions... stamina also plays a big fact in ea ufc... in undisputed It was a death sentence low stamina because of the submission risk

Contextual transitions are a good move...

[Phillyboi207]

Quote: Originally Posted by bmlimo

Yeah there we didnt have momentum transitions, we had minor, major and unique transitions...also we had a set of sweep transitions... stamina also plays a big fact in ea ufc... in undisputed It was a death sentence low stamina because of the submission risk Contextual transitions are a good move...

All that stuff you want in UD3 could eventually be added to UFC games tho.

I just dont want them to start from scratch again because that would mean grappling would continue to lack depth.

If the Devs build upon what we currently have we could see minor transitions. Major ones and sweep transitions already exist. Most sweeps require a set up first which imo is also more realistic. I do hope we get rid of auto reversals.

I hope instead the perfect sweep being needed to not get reversed it should be a requirement to perform reversals.

So a regular flick denies transitions and a perfect swoop to flip position. Reversing position should be difficult.

[bmlimo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phillyboi207

All that stuff you want in UD3 could eventually be added to UFC games tho. I just dont want them to start from scratch again because that would mean grappling would continue to lack depth. If the Devs build upon what we currently have we could see minor transitions. Major ones and sweep transitions already exist. Most sweeps requijre a set up first which imo is also more realistic. I do hope we get rid of auto reversals. I hope instead the perfect sweep being needed to not get reversed it should be a requirement to perform reversals. So a regular flick denies transitions and a perfect swoop to flip position. Reversing position should be difficult.

Tbh I don’t care if they are revamp or get this system better what I think is disgusting is this deny reaction system, IMO ground game should be strategy(Defend or improve position, strike or defend yourself) right now we have this dumb game wait for a deny to pass, wait for a deny to improve position, fake to improve, fake to deny... this is not grappling... I’m not gonna put gnp because is so bad that don’t deserve a line for it

[Hayden]

UD3's grappling is better, be it in the clinch, against the cage or on the ground.



It's fast, snappy and fluid. In EA UFC 3 it's slow, awkward and unrealistic.



Some of the positions you see in EA UFC 3 just don't happen often. Like the side saddle position. You never see that in UFC fights. The sub options themselves are weird too. Like the armbar from mount is this dumb looking straight armbar that you never see instead of a step over to the side armbar that is common.


There's other dumb stuff, like you can knock people out cold from side control with rabbit punches. When do you ever see that in MMA fights?

[MacAttack33]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hayden

UD3's grappling is better, be it in the clinch, against the cage or on the ground. It's fast, snappy and fluid. In EA UFC 3 it's slow, awkward and unrealistic. Some of the positions you see in EA UFC 3 just don't happen often. Like the side saddle position. You never see that in UFC fights. The sub options themselves are weird too. Like the armbar from mount is this dumb looking straight armbar that you never see instead of a step over to the side armbar that is common. There's other dumb stuff, like you can knock people out cold from side control with rabbit punches. When do you ever see that in MMA fights?

They need to straight up reverse engineer UD3 grappling precisely and put aside their pride.