I feel you man.... I feel weird thinking about how much I care about video games but I just love it and I want video game football that is turly the type of game where you can just hbe okay with a roster update every once and a while ... god I hate ea so much with passion too. I want real football and I just can't wait for another generic 2k game because I just want to play so god damn football... so yea I just feel that 2k has the best football experince and with the nfl ... best game ever .... damit I still play a game from 2004 !!!! That's how bad madden is .... really and the sad thing is that it is ....