PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

[Knight165]

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If it was it was a very early version.

I tend to get my games mixed up over the years but it may have been either HH or MVP that I remember seeing it last.


What bothers me the most about not having it isn't so much it's basic function of being able to cut it off mid flight but the problem that if I commit to going home from RF from the onset, the AI knows and will advance runners since the cut AI isn't in.

Yeah.....I think(hope) they continue to work on the "omnipresent" baserunners.
It's one of the reasons I shut off the baserunning windows....I hate when they give it away.....there already needs to be more drama on closely hit outs/hits.

M.K.
Knight165

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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I believe it was in one of the early versions and then taken out.

I tend to get my games mixed up over the years but it may have been either HH or MVP (if not the Show) that I remember seeing it last.


What bothers me the most about not having it isn't so much it's basic function of being able to cut it off mid flight but the problem that if I commit to going home from RF from the onset, the AI knows and will advance runners since the cut AI isn't in.

It was a feature in high heat.

I would like to see this as well as long as it's implemented correctly. I would hate having balls and players morph all over the place.

[CJ10]

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I want to be able to cut the ball again mid flight.

Still don't understand why that hasn't made it's way back yet, it's an integral part of the game.

You shouldn't have to decide if you are throwing to the cut off man right away in a bang bang situation. That's not how baseball works.

Excellent suggestion, it should definitely be in, along with anything else that happens in the game that would fall under the "that's not how baseball works" area

Was this ever in?

I believe that had it in(not in a release version) at least one year and Chris didn't like the way at times when players weren't in the "correct" positions the ball would divert at really odd angles.
I too wish you would see it as sometimes you see the OF'er throw the ball to the base and just know the cut-off man should be taking that throw.

But hand in hand...they'd also have to have batter(using the single with a man on as the situation) take the extra base more. There isn't enough of that now IMO.

M.K.
Knight165

I remember seeing it in 2k8 before I started playing the show (along with the call off button) so its possible. as for it being in and them not liking it, that's up to them to figure out how to make it work, not just leave it out cause they tried it and didn't like it.

[Bobhead]

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Well...it already is(hidden....it's only normal(everyone.....) and plus(Andy Pettite and the likes)...

but.....where and how would you base your rating off this?
reputation?

M.K.
Knight165

What's wrong with (Total # of successful pickoffs) / (Total # of attempted pickoffs) = (Pickoff Rating) ?

While we are on the subject of the pitcher/baserunner game, I'd like to see more weight placed on the baserunner's intention (assuming we stay with a dice roll system). In other words, a baserunner should be more susceptible to a pickoff if L2 (the steal button) has been pressed, and far less susceptible if it hasn't.

For example, there are times in real life where even Yadier Molina will have a huge lead off the bag, because a defensive shift is in effect, and the closest fielder is many meters away. In reality, a runner that has no intention of ever stealing a base is almost impossible to pick off, because he is reacting to the very first flinch of a pitcher. On the other hand, a runner that is attempting to read the pitcher, one who even considers running, is going to have a later reaction because they wait until they definitively realize a pickoff is coming, so as not to sacrifice their position on the basepaths.

Currently in The Show, a huge lead translates to a huge pickoff risk across the board, and this should not be the case.

[ill23matic]

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Pickoffs aren't the only indication of how well a pitcher holds runners though. You got guys who may not have the best move and pick off a lot of guys, but vary their looks, time to the plate, go over frequently and are more attentive, leg kick, varied pickoff moves, etc, that are excellent at keeping guys close and putting their catchers in the best position to throw runners out.

And say you got a guy who has a great move and a catcher who isn't good at throwing runners out, compare him to a guy w a great move who has Yadier catching him.... You think guys are going to take bigger leads and/or be more susceptible to being picked off when you got an elite thrower behind the plate? So that formula could be skewed

Way too many variables, like Knight said, would mostly would have to go off rep. I'd rather them give us more options in terms of delivery and having a system that rewards u for not going straight to the plate once your set, actually reward you for varying your looks, time to the plate, etc. a "balk move" would me nice too. Risk reward thing kind of like the head butt used to be in fight night

[Bobhead]

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Pickoffs aren't the only indication of how well a pitcher holds runners though. You got guys who may not have the best move and pick off a lot of guys, but vary their looks, time to the plate, go over frequently and are more attentive, leg kick, varied pickoff moves, etc, that are excellent at keeping guys close and putting their catchers in the best position to throw runners out.

And say you got a guy who has a great move and a catcher who isn't good at throwing runners out, compare him to a guy w a great move who has Yadier catching him.... You think guys are going to take bigger leads and/or be more susceptible to being picked off when you got an elite thrower behind the plate? So that formula could be skewed

Way too many variables, like Knight said, would mostly would have to go off rep. I'd rather them give us more options in terms of delivery and having a system that rewards u for not going straight to the plate once your set, actually reward you for varying your looks, time to the plate, etc. a "balk move" would me nice too. Risk reward thing kind of like the head butt used to be in fight night

But that's why we aren't talking about a "holding runners on" rating, we are talking exclusively about a "pickoff" rating. Pickoff attempts/successes are easily isolated, and none of the things you mentioned really have anything to do with them.

[ill23matic]

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So you just want a rating that has some guys pick off runners more frequently than others? Again though, my point about a guy w a great throwing catcher, or a guy who has a reputable move... That's out the door when runners are more inclined to stay closer to first base, pickoffs per attempt and even number of pickoffs is out the door because runners are gonna eventually take shorter leads, keep their weight on their left leg/lean toward first and take less of a lead to begin with because they aren't going to risk getting picked off when they ain't even gonna run to begin with because the catcher has a hose.

Again, with those metrics out the door, it's back to what Knight side, something that has to be done on reputation. There's just some things in baseball you can't measure w numbers

[Bobhead]

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So you just want a rating that has some guys pick off runners more frequently than others? Again though, my point about a guy w a great throwing catcher, or a guy who has a reputable move... That's out the door when runners are more inclined to stay closer to first base, pickoffs per attempt and even number of pickoffs is out the door because runners are gonna eventually take shorter leads, keep their weight on their left leg/lean toward first and take less of a lead to begin with because they aren't going to risk getting picked off when they ain't even gonna run to begin with because the catcher has a hose.

Again, with those metrics out the door, it's back to what Knight side, something that has to be done on reputation. There's just some things in baseball you can't measure w numbers

But shorter leads means fewer pickoff attempts. You don't attempt many pickoffs unless you think you will actually pick them off. So if you have this combination of variables that leads to fewer successful base stealers... that should not actually affect the ratio of successful pickoffs, only the total quantities. I think you're overthinking it.

I get what you're saying, and I agree, a lot of that stuff cannot be accurately represented with numbers. But pickoffs ONLY... thats something that can be done pretty accurately, at least in my opinion.

[ill23matic]

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We just got different theories on holding runners, agree to disagree, lol

[@legendm0de]

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Maybe they should make the pickoff animation more manually controlled and not just a one touch animation. That would make us responsible for the way a pitcher checks a runner and just create alot more variance in the pickoff/holding baserunners game. I'm not gonna theorize exactly what control mechanisms to do this with but that's a direction I'd like to see pickoffs go. It would require an entire strip of the way it is done right now, which doesn't seem to have much to it anyway. Hopefully we see something like this anyway because the game on PS4 will likely have an entirely new motion and physics based animations all over.

[redsfan4life]

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There are some pitchers that have a pickoff move so good they can pick guys off that don't even have much of a lead.



Do we think Posey was trying to steal there? I just think there are pitchers that are very tough to steal on and that isn't shown properly in the game as it stands.

[assclown25]

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I want authentic crowds examples- Tomahawk chop w/ the chant, At Wrigley when visitors hit HR I want the fans to throw the ball back etc.

[Gagnon39]

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I want to be able to cut the ball again mid flight.

Still don't understand why that hasn't made it's way back yet, it's an integral part of the game.

You shouldn't have to decide if you are throwing to the cut off man right away in a bang bang situation. That's not how baseball works.

I couldn't agree more with this. MVP 2005 had it perfect. I'm not sure why this hasn't been added to the game.

[Still2REal]

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I want more off the field stuff

I know a lot of people don't give a damn about hot dogs, ticket prices, attendance, etc but to me that is a HUGE part of the game. The more realistic the better.

I care more about being an Owner than a player

[El_MaYiMbE]

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I want 3 things to be in next gen....and if they kept almost everything else the same with the obvious enhancements expected in next gen....I'd be happy:

1. Allow batting gloves on basepaths to be an option
2. Umpires where jackets during cold days
3. Adjustable size of wrist tapes, and better proportioned in comparison to entire arm