MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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Thanks for the awesome help guys. Think I got a good idea of a fair yet realistic deal to get CarGo over. I might make a few switches based on how the next few weeks (in game) go to accommodate value appropriately. Just two follow up questions:


Any way Wong could be substituted in for Adams in a trade? I'd like to use Adams for another trade to bring in a 2B/SS/3B. The Rockies have serviceable men at both 1B and 2B, so I think they would want (between Wong and Adams) whichever player has the most upside. Not sure who you guys think is more valuable in this scenario? (Although I figure teams value Adams more.)


CarGo has also been injured the majority of my season with a fractured wrist. Prior, he was batting .241, 3 HR, 10 RBI in 58 AB. I'm sure this brings down his value a bit but not enough to cause a significant decline in his return (in my opinion). Whats your guys take on that situation?


Thanks to you both for your help. I spitball a lot of trade ideas and mull it over if it is approved on these forums... Most I never end up pulling the trigger for a reason or another. But this one looks just too tempting. (Would definitely qualify as a blockbuster trade!)

1. In short, especially considering point 2, no.

2. That makes things less realistic imo.

[k_mac]

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You are right, I am an overthinker! Props and well said. Do you have suggestions on my selling Sale? Most interested in prospects from LAD and KC. I think the impression I get is I could take an entire farm. Really wondering if you agree with that as well. AC/WTNY, there has to be a limit, right? SD got 4 for Latos. Is that a good number? I know AC said 3 top 100s.
I'm dropping it after this. Just feeling a little unsure.

Like AC said, there really isn't a limit on what you can get for Sale. He's young, a lefty and IRL is under control until at least 2018. Alone, he could rebuild the Sox. San Diego got 4 back for Latos, and since Sale is elite and a lefty, I'd say 5 isn't out of the question.

From Kansas City, being in your division, I think you could easily command Zimmer + Ventura/Duffy/Manaea/Mondesi/Bonifacio/Dozier/Starling/Almonte (pick any four of those guys you like the most and add them in with Zimmer.. trust me, you want Zimmer)

From LA, Seager + Pederson + Urias + Lee + Anderson (that's their top 5 prospects) Kershaw, Sale and Greinke would be ridiculous, and I think the Dodgers would sell the farm for that opprotunity.

Texas would probably send Odor + Alfaro + Sardinas + Jackson + Williams

Hell, I'm sure St. Louis would be interested. You could probably get Wacha + Miller + Taveras + Piscotty/Kaminsky

Boston for Owens + Swihart + Webster + Ranuado + Bradley Jr.

Seattle for Franklin + Walker + Peterson + Paxton + pick literally anyone besides Felix/Cano

The possibilities are nearly endless man. Sale is worth at least 3 top 100 prospects then some. Take any team, and demand at least their best 4 prospects. Some of those guys above were recently drafted, so I'd wait until at least the draft so they can realistically be traded.

Also, don't run away from the KC deal if you like that. A lot of people don't like divisional trades. But, you're taking away the future of their team. It's a big price to pay. If you like the deal, obviously you think you're getting the better end of it. Always nice to stick it to a division opponent, right?

Edit: in short, 5 is the magic number (for me, at least). The Sox system is barren, so you can pretty much pick up any prospect you want and not worry about it.

[k_mac]

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Hey guys! I started up my phils chise today and I play quick counts and have been playing all day, so I'm already in Mid-June and am preparing to make some trades soon! I'd really like your guys insight but I need to get through my steps first(lol), so....

Basically my first step is figuring out WHO is realistic to trade. I'm interested in trading anyone, but I'm unsure of a few. Lee will ofc be sent in a trade to someone for a bunch of prospects, probably going to try and move Byrd if possible as well. Utley/J-roll I'm unsure of. They're both lifetime Phils and I would think they'd retire a philly, especially J-Roll. Papelbon won't gain be any value but he is pitching great... then the last two main guys.... Burnett, who has a 3 ERA and is pitching great, and lastly, the main guy, Cole Hamels.... I don't know if it would be realistic to trade him because he signed a big contract, but he is 30 and has a 1.50 ERA, and has like a 9 K.9 Ratio... I just feel like he could give me a ton of value, but I'm not sure if it is realistic.

EDIT: Forgot about Ryan Howard as well to add on to the potential trade list.

Realistically, nobody's safe besides Rollins who can deny pretty much any deal, and that's in his contract. The only other guy I don't see them trading is Hamels.

I'm doing a Phillies rebuild franchise, and I plan on having a fire sale and just starting over. It's actually been a lot of fun so far.

Utley to the Jays would be a good start. I got Sanchez back for him. If you look back a few pages, we've been discussing a Lee to LA deal, which I like. Another possibility for Lee is Texas.

[KingFry]

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Realistically, nobody's safe besides Rollins who can deny pretty much any deal, and that's in his contract. The only other guy I don't see them trading is Hamels.

I'm doing a Phillies rebuild franchise, and I plan on having a fire sale and just starting over. It's actually been a lot of fun so far.

Utley to the Jays would be a good start. I got Sanchez back for him. If you look back a few pages, we've been discussing a Lee to LA deal, which I like. Another possibility for Lee is Texas.

Yeah thats exactly what I'm pretty much planning on doing haha. I was thinking Hamels would be unrealistic, but I thought I may ask anyways because he is pitching so damn good. I like that Lee trade, but I literally did like the same exact thing last year haha, so I'm going to try some other options.

Anyways, about the B-Jays, I just realized they are still in the race, at .500 and only 3 GB of the division and 2 of the WC, but their pitching has the 25th ERA in the MLB. I was thinking of pairing them Burnett(has a 3 era and is probably an all star this year) and Utley... what do you think would be a realistic return?

[BA2929]

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Like AC said, there really isn't a limit on what you can get for Sale. He's young, a lefty and IRL is under control until at least 2018. Alone, he could rebuild the Sox.

From Kansas City, being in your division, I think you could easily command Zimmer + Ventura/Duffy/Manaea/Mondesi/Bonifacio/Dozier/Starling/Almonte (pick any four of those guys you like the most and add them in with Zimmer.. trust me, you want Zimmer)

CWS wouldn't trade Sale in the division, so that's completely unrealistic just right there. At least not in 2014. They're not going to want to see him dominate them until 2019 and the Royals aren't going to want to see Zimmer/Ventura/Anyone else you listed become All-Stars for a team they're competing against to make the playoffs every year.

If I was running the CWS I'd take KC off the list as a team to deal Sale to if you want a realistic trade partner. The Royals absolutely love nearly every prospect listed above.

[AC]

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FFS. Trading within the division is not only inconsequential, it's beneficial. If you're winning the trade, you're weakening a rival, and if you're losing it, why make it period?

[ESexton18]

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Yeah thats exactly what I'm pretty much planning on doing haha. I was thinking Hamels would be unrealistic, but I thought I may ask anyways because he is pitching so damn good. I like that Lee trade, but I literally did like the same exact thing last year haha, so I'm going to try some other options.

Anyways, about the B-Jays, I just realized they are still in the race, at .500 and only 3 GB of the division and 2 of the WC, but their pitching has the 25th ERA in the MLB. I was thinking of pairing them Burnett(has a 3 era and is probably an all star this year) and Utley... what do you think would be a realistic return?

I did Lee to the Dodgers for Joc Pederson, Corey Seager, Julio Urias, in my Phillies franchise. Pretty solid deal.

In real life I don't think Rollins or Utley would leave Philly and have full no trade clauses. But in the game you could move either. If Utley is playing well I'd move him to Toronto or St. Louis for one of their high level pitching prospects.

I could only see Howard moving to the AL, but I didn't trade him and I'm in 2015 and he is tearing it up for me. (.425 avg, 11 hr, 28 rbi, half way through April). I would also keep Hamels to build around in the rotation.

Dominic Brown has decent trade value, I moved him in my chise as well.

[KingFry]

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I did Lee to the Dodgers for Joc Pederson, Corey Seager, Julio Urias, in my Phillies franchise. Pretty solid deal.

In real life I don't think Rollins or Utley would leave Philly and have full no trade clauses. But in the game you could move either. If Utley is playing well I'd move him to Toronto or St. Louis for one of their high level pitching prospects.

I could only see Howard moving to the AL, but I didn't trade him and I'm in 2015 and he is tearing it up for me. (.425 avg, 11 hr, 28 rbi, half way through April). I would also keep Hamels to build around in the rotation.

Dominic Brown has decent trade value, I moved him in my chise as well.

Yeah I guess your probably right with Utley. Brown is B Pot and progressing nicely in my 'chise. What do you think Byrd/Burnett could get me then from the Jays? Byrd would let them move Melky to CF and put Byrd in left, getting rid of Rasmus(batting .250) and giving depth...

[Friar Fanatic]

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FFS. Trading within the division is not only inconsequential, it's beneficial. If you're winning the trade, you're weakening a rival, and if you're losing it, why make it period?

From awhile back but this is a common thing.

https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/10346314646691840

Here is a great article on the topic. http://fpbaseballoutsider.blogspot.c...thin-your.html

[AC]

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Yeah I guess your probably right with Utley. Brown is B Pot and progressing nicely in my 'chise. What do you think Byrd/Burnett could get me then from the Jays? Byrd would let them move Melky to CF and put Byrd in left, getting rid of Rasmus(batting .250) and giving depth...

Melky should NEVER move to CF lmao

Burnett could nab you Chase DeJong or AJ Jimenez or Tom Robson or Matt Smoral or something

[BA2929]

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FFS. Trading within the division is not only inconsequential, it's beneficial. If you're winning the trade, you're weakening a rival, and if you're losing it, why make it period?

There doesn't always have to be a winner/loser in each trade. The Royals dealt Mark Teahen to the CWS for Chris Getz and Josh Fields. Nobody won and nobody lost.

In this Sale deal, the Royals would be decimating their system and at the same time improving the system and roster of the CWS for one guy who plays 19% of the games.

That's a loss for the Royals, thus your point of "why make the trade".

Plus if they dealt Ventura, Zimmer and Duffy that's 3/5ths of their rotation for 2015. One guy, no matter how great he is, isn't going to make up for that.

Take out Zimmer and Ventura and go with just the other guys, then we can possibly talk.

Honestly, I'd take a rotation of Shields/Ventura/Duffy/Guthrie/Vargas and be happier with that than Sale/Shields/Vargas/Guthrie/Whoever.

Basically the Royals would have to forfeit 2015 and on to get Sale for 2014. They won't do that, that's all I'm saying.

[AC]

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From awhile back but this is a common thing.

https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/10346314646691840

Here is a great article on the topic. http://fpbaseballoutsider.blogspot.c...thin-your.html

I know it's a common thing. I'm just saying it's ridiculously stupid.

And it probably would be easier on the fan base if Greinke weren't pitching three or five times a season against the Royals.

But, if you're going to be getting the better pieces in the trade, they're going to face their old team 3-5 times a year and outweigh Greinke, so MAKE THE TRADE. Which the article seems to be saying.

And in that sense, it is silly, even stupid, to mark 14 percent of the teams as automatically out of bounds in such a trade.

So much yes.

Either you're rebuilding, in which case sending a veteran in the division will lose you more games now, HELPING YOU EVEN MORE, or you're buying, in which case taking a veteran from the team will win you more games now, HELPING YOU EVEN MORE. Coupled with you should be getting better value.

Trading within the division should be encouraged. Not taboo.

[k_mac]

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CWS wouldn't trade Sale in the division, so that's completely unrealistic just right there. At least not in 2014. They're not going to want to see him dominate them until 2019 and the Royals aren't going to want to see Zimmer/Ventura/Anyone else you listed become All-Stars for a team they're competing against to make the playoffs every year.



If I was running the CWS I'd take KC off the list as a team to deal Sale to if you want a realistic trade partner. The Royals absolutely love nearly every prospect listed above.

They might love all of those prospects, but I'd bet anything they'd love to have an elite all star lefty on Sale's level even more.

It's not completely unrealistic at all. Divisional trades happen. No idea why people treat them like they're the death of baseball. If you get more talent from team A than team B, you take it, no matter what division they're in.

Look at it this way.. Sale goes to KC as a proven talent. They're giving away relatively unknowns. Not from a name standpoint, but a lot of things could go wrong with a prospect. Prospects bust all of the time.

For the Sox, they get four or five guys that they believe can be all stars. It's a win for them, and it's a win for KC.

FFS. Trading within the division is not only inconsequential, it's beneficial. If you're winning the trade, you're weakening a rival, and if you're losing it, why make it period?

My point exactly. I'm glad someone gets it.

An example:

The Cubs gave up Sean Marshall (a proven reliever) for Travis Wood + Dave Sappelt. (Oh my, a trade between division opponents)

While Sappelt didn't pan out, Wood was an All-Star last year. The Cubs did the right thing in their mind and got the most value for their guy.

Believe me, I'm not making it up. Teams trade to other teams in their divisions.

No matter what.. You get the most value that you can out of your player, disregarding the team it comes from. Sometimes it works for you, sometimes it doesn't.

[Friar Fanatic]

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I know it's a common thing. I'm just saying it's ridiculously stupid.



But, if you're going to be getting the better pieces in the trade, they're going to face their old team 3-5 times a year and outweigh Greinke, so MAKE THE TRADE. Which the article seems to be saying.



So much yes.

Either you're rebuilding, in which case sending a veteran in the division will lose you more games now, HELPING YOU EVEN MORE, or you're buying, in which case taking a veteran from the team will win you more games now, HELPING YOU EVEN MORE. Coupled with you should be getting better value.

Trading within the division should be encouraged. Not taboo.

I personally think the main reason people don't trade within the division is that it would anger their fan base.

Maybe also because there are no sure bets and if you're side falls through while the other side doesn't then you just made a incredible mistake.

Not saying I agree with this logic, just saying I think these are the reasons.

[ggsimmonds]

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Realistically there is absolutely no package possible that would enable the Yankees to acquire Walker. The Yanks have a putrid farm system and their only players with high end trade value are Ellsbury and Tanaka. The Mariners had Pineda: they traded him to the Yankees.

Did you not read the part where he opened his comment by acknowledging that it was not realistic?