MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[The Chef]

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I don't see the need for Gaby but yeah, that works.

No idea why Gaby was thrown in, maybe a throw away or expiring contract so Minnesota was willing to take him back for the remainder of the season. The logic within the game is totally backwards. I was contemplating a deal for 2B Daniel Murphy in NY and they were well out of contention, the teams strategy was rebuilding so I offer them a B level prospect like the sheet says and they claimed it didn't fit their current strategy. I toyed with it and added my top 2 prospects who are both A's and they said the same thing. I then added 36 year old Chone Figgins with just the 1 B prospect and suddenly it was something they would take lol. I also tried Juan Uribe and that same B prospect, again they would have taken it. Basically the CPU in rebuild mode was more swayed by taking on an aging veteran with little value (Figgins) or an aging 3B in Uribe who had 2 years on his deal and plays the same position as David Wright instead of 2 A prospects, makes zero sense.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Lol, that's an absolute statement. Especially on a pitcher who's never posed a FIP below 3.88 in the minors, has a career MiLB 4.21 SIERA, has huge walk rates, lacks fastball command, needs to work on his breaking ball (has potential), was ranked #70 by Law, #59 by BA, and 62 by MLB.com. He can pump it in there, but he's never actually showed results in the minors, which is problematic, the talent evaluators don't think he's a /stud/, and he's walking everyone.

He's a good prospect. He has good upside. But lol @ being so definitive.

And #43 by BP preseason 2014....

So let me get this straight.....a fringe top 50 MiLB talent is no longer called a stud? The kids are calling that "good" nowadays? OK, now that I know the proper lingo...

LOL at being hypocritical in your analysis. Walking everyone sounds a little bit definitive to me. He needs to work on both control and command, but there's plenty to like. Since being promoted to AA last year, combined at AA and AAA, he's giving up fewer than 7 H/9, a very low 0.7 HR/9, and is striking out nearly a batter per inning.

As for walking everyone, as a 22 y/o in AAA, he's averaging 3.99 BB/9, which is not amazingly good, but needs to be understood in a proper context. First of all, putting too much emphasis on minor league stats in laughable for the simple reason that who knows if a team is making a guy throw secondary pitches exclusively to refine his game? You can't treat MiLB stats too seriously for reasons like this.

For giggles, how about we compare Folty's 3.99 BB/9 walk rate to some other "good" prospects on most Top 50 lists....

Archie Bradley - 4.22 BB/9
Snydergaard - 3.1 BB/9
Gray - 1.98 BB/9
Mark Appel - 3.19 BB/9
Robert Stephenson - 4.12 BB/9
Aaron Sanchez - 5.92 BB/9
Tyler Glasnow - over 6 BB/9
Alex Meyer - 4.29 BB/9
Kyle Crick - nearly 7 BB/9
Henry Owens - 4.0 BB/9
Heaney 1.78 BB/9

Granted this is an incomplete list and guys like Jon Gray and Heaney are closer to 2 BB/9, but you get the idea. Command and control are some of the last things to fall in place for a pitcher and most MiLB pitchers will reveal walk rates that seem high. Folty is right at home on this list.

[AC]

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And #43 by BP preseason 2014....

3 outta 4 ain't bad.

So let me get this straight.....a fringe top 50 MiLB talent is no longer called a stud? The kids are calling that "good" nowadays? OK, now that I know the proper lingo...

Yeah, don't patronize me when I have actual facts to back it up. A pitcher ranked 51-75 has an expected surplus value of $7.5m. Are you gonna argue that that's spectacular?

LOL at being hypocritical in your analysis. Walking everyone sounds a little bit definitive to me. He needs to work on both control and command, but there's plenty to like. Since being promoted to AA last year, combined at AA and AAA, he's giving up fewer than 7 H/9, a very low 0.7 HR/9, and is striking out nearly a batter per inning.

How is that not definitive? He's walking a bunch of guys, go ahead and argue that, that's not opinion, that's data. Also, H/9 and HR/9 is complete luck in the minors. There are true talent .400+ BABIPs in the minors. There's basically no correlation between MiLB BABIP & HR/FB to MLB.

As for walking everyone, as a 22 y/o in AAA, he's averaging 3.99 BB/9, which is not amazingly good, but needs to be understood in a proper context. First of all, putting too much emphasis on minor league stats in laughable for the simple reason that who knows if a team is making a guy throw secondary pitches exclusively to refine his game? You can't treat MiLB stats too seriously for reasons like this.

He's not being allowed to throw his 2 seamer because his elbow tails off. That's about it. And proper context? How's this for context? He has a BB% 33% worse than his league's average. That's context.

For giggles, how about we compare Folty's 3.99 BB/9 walk rate to some other "good" prospects on most Top 50 lists....

Archie Bradley - 4.22 BB/9
Snydergaard - 3.1 BB/9
Gray - 1.98 BB/9
Mark Appel - 3.19 BB/9
Robert Stephenson - 4.12 BB/9
Aaron Sanchez - 5.92 BB/9
Tyler Glasnow - over 6 BB/9
Alex Meyer - 4.29 BB/9
Kyle Crick - nearly 7 BB/9
Henry Owens - 4.0 BB/9
Heaney 1.78 BB/9

Granted this is an incomplete list and guys like Jon Gray and Heaney are closer to 2 BB/9, but you get the idea. Command and control are some of the last things to fall in place for a pitcher and most MiLB pitchers will reveal walk rates that seem high. Folty is right at home on this list.

Wow, incomplete, eh? Almost arbitrary, even. You can't just pick guys at random. I know you were faithful here - you included guys that don't support your point - but you need to include everyone, like I did. Folty is 33% worse than league average at walking guys. Everyone in his league (above 30 IP, needed to filter out SSS, I can change that). That's proper context.

These are huge concerns with these guys, too. Guys in the upper minors should not be walking near 4 batters a game. If they do, they'd better have excellent secondaries.

$7.5m surplus is good. He's a very good baseball player. But he isn't an elite prospect. He's not gonna be an ace, probably. He's not someone the Astros say, "I'd rather jump off a bridge," when you ask about.

And I think you're ignoring that, I'll bold this so that it stands out from this wall of text, he's tapered off in OP's franchise. He's only 84 potential. That's mid B. With no command and 84 potential and a big FB while being 24ish at AAA, that's reliever material. In OP's franchise, it's realistic.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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In OP's franchise, it's realistic.

I disagree. The Astros just simply would not trade that kind of upside pitching away in their current condition.

Not realistic.

Not worth debating it any further either. If the OP wants to do it, he'll do it regardless.

[Friar Fanatic]

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And I think you're ignoring that, I'll bold this so that it stands out from this wall of text, he's tapered off in OP's franchise. He's only 84 potential. That's mid B. With no command and 84 potential and a big FB while being 24ish at AAA, that's reliever material. In OP's franchise, it's realistic.

Thanks AC! Was just trying to figure out if hes realistically available. I'm actually gonna use him as a reliever too haha. So good catch there!

[AC]

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WTNY, would you say that it would be unrealistic for the Blue Jays to deal Mitch Nay?

[InTheoWeTrust]

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No way. Those are all aces. In order to get any of those you would have to give up Robertson or Ellsbury or something. Prospect wise? No. If you wanna trade major league talent then easily yes.



Headley easily. If you upgrade Betances a bit and up his overall (that's what I did to mimic his real life play) you can trade Betances and Gohara for Headley

Thanks for the help. What stats would you recommend upgrading for Betances?

I'm kind of a bigger fan Matt Carpenter than Headley so what would that take? Also if none of those pitchers are available for the Yankees who would be?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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WTNY, would you say that it would be unrealistic for the Blue Jays to deal Mitch Nay?

I'm not sure I could formulate a credible view on that off the top of my head. A lot of it depends on what happens to their season (in real life or in game, depending on exactly in which case you were asking about). If the Jays need a piece to put them over the top, why not?

[AC]

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I'm not sure I could formulate a credible view on that off the top of my head. A lot of it depends on what happens to their season (in real life or in game, depending on exactly in which case you were asking about). If the Jays need a piece to put them over the top, why not?

Nay is about an 84. The same as Folty in OP's game.

That's my final say on the matter.

[Friar Fanatic]

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Thanks for the help. What stats would you recommend upgrading for Betances?

I'm kind of a bigger fan Matt Carpenter than Headley so what would that take? Also if none of those pitchers are available for the Yankees who would be?

I would up his K/9 to low 80s, BB/9 and H/9 to low 80s as well. Maybe HR/9 to mid-high 50s to low 60s. Given his real life stats they should be higher but who knows if he will keep this up. Since he has no track record I just thought low 80s were fair.

Also I upped his potential to 86.

Carpenter is tough because the Cards need like him for their team to win now. If they dealt Carpenter I can't imagine it would be for prospects. It would have to be major league talent. Not really sure who you could deal there. Possibly Betances (with the upgrades) and or CC.

Other pitchers are: Masterson, Smardzija, Lincecum, Cliff Lee, Hamels, Dickey, Gallardo, Homer Bailey, Latos.

[cardinal511]

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Thanks for the help. What stats would you recommend upgrading for Betances?

I'm kind of a bigger fan Matt Carpenter than Headley so what would that take? Also if none of those pitchers are available for the Yankees who would be?

Jacoby Ellsbury or Tanaka while eating part of their contracts? Those are the only two players on the Yankees roster I see the Cardinals even remotely interested in, and I don't think any combination of prospects interests them either. Realistically Carpenter is a huge part of the Cardinals offense and I don't see them trading him. I also disagree with the earlier assessment that he's available. Short of getting someone like Stanton I don't think he is.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Also if none of those pitchers are available for the Yankees who would be?

If standings in your chise are anything like real life...

Jason Hammel, A.J. Burnett (lol), Colon, Roberto (don't call me Fausto) Hernandez, Liriano, Bedard, Guthrie.

Nothing particularly special, but Liriano might be nice for you.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Nay is about an 84. The same as Folty in OP's game.

That's my final say on the matter.

That's fine. But you are comparing apples to oranges. The Blue Jays and Astros can hardly be said to be in similar situations. And using in-game OVR as the ultimate judge of realism value...well, lol.

[AC]

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That's fine. But you are comparing apples to oranges. The Blue Jays and Astros can hardly be said to be in similar situations. And using in-game OVR as the ultimate judge of realism value...well, lol.

Just to be clear, that's potential, not overall. My point was that they have about the same prospect reputation, so to speak.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Other pitchers are: Masterson, Smardzija, Lincecum, Cliff Lee, Hamels, Dickey, Gallardo, Homer Bailey, Latos.

I doubt the OP chising as the Yankees would have a serious chance at any of these pitchers using the Yankees farm system. Maybe Masterson and Bailey with an outside chance at Gallardo in a perfect storm scenario. The others can be definitively ruled out realism-wise (probably fairness wise also).

EDIT: Maybe Dickey...??