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  • Bull_Market
    Pro
    • Jul 2012
    • 618

    #3376
    Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by AC
    I dunno. Probably wanting to spot the next up and coming thing. I don't really care about rookie status, it's just pretty obvious that Sano >> Rizzo.
    I respectfully disagree, how can you come to the conclusion its "pretty obvious"? Sano has 0 major league ABS as far as I know, where as Rizzo has a huge sample size behind him now. Rizzo is also hitting LH pitching well this year, usually a big struggle for him. At best, id say they are equal.
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    • k_mac
      MVP
      • Mar 2011
      • 2059

      #3377
      Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

      Weighing in on the Rizzo/Sano debate. I agree with AC that Sano's market value is probably higher than Rizzo's. Our front office is absolutely in love with Rizzo (Hoyer's traded to get him twice now), but around baseball I'm sure that people would rather have Sano. I don't totally agree with that, but that's how people view "great" prospects. He hasn't proven himself yet, but he has crazy power. He's also 3 years younger. I think that Sano has a higher ceiling because of that power, but Rizzo has the higher floor. You know exactly what you're getting with Rizzo, Sano is a pipe dream. Plus, Sano playing 3B probably gives him a slight boost in value, assuming that he sticks there. It would probably take at least Rizzo + Vogelbach

      That was my attempt at an unbiased view of things. I love Rizzo, and he's playing so much better now than he was last year. That's gave me genuine hope that he can live up to the lofty expectations and he's pushed his game up to the next level. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't make the Rizzo for Sano swap.

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      • dpower15
        MVP
        • Jul 2012
        • 1029

        #3378
        MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by 37
        why would the Padres do that trade?


        Originally posted by k_mac
        You're going to want to give up prospects in this deal. My line of thinking there is that a team selling their closer at the deadline is looking ahead to next season and beyond. Norris and Lombardozzi, especially if they aren't playing well wouldn't hold any value in San Diego. It won't cost much to get him though, his spreadsheet value is two high C's. You could send them a low B + a high C if you think he's playing well enough to warrant that.

        I don't have the game on, so I'm going off of prospect lists and just throwing out names here, keep that in mind. Any two of these guys should work.

        Tim Berry/Parker Birdwell/Zach Davies/Branden Kline

        I am the Padres, I'm out of contention and Burch Smith has been killing it the last month in the setup role so I've been anxious to give him a shot at closing (switched him to the pen as ill do with Bud Norris). Street is gone after this year either way so I think Bud would be an interesting gamble for a bullpen arm and Lombardozzi gives me a solid utility guy who can hit for a respectable average.

        I didn't see any prospects I liked outside of their guys like Harvey, Hart, etc. so I thought this would be an interesting option


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        • k_mac
          MVP
          • Mar 2011
          • 2059

          #3379
          Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by dpower15
          I am the Padres, I'm out of contention and Burch Smith has been killing it the last month in the setup role so I've been anxious to give him a shot at closing (switched him to the pen as ill do with Bud Norris). Street is gone after this year either way so I think Bud would be an interesting gamble for a bullpen arm and Lombardozzi gives me a solid utility guy who can hit for a respectable average.

          I didn't see any prospects I liked outside of their guys like Harvey, Hart, etc. so I thought this would be an interesting option


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          Maybe look around for other teams that need back end relief help and trade Street for a couple prospects that you like? But guys like Harvey are definitely too much.

          I'm sure both of those guys could be had from the Orioles for close to nothing. Norris isn't starting and has an ERA of nearly 8, and Lombardozzi isn't even playing in the majors. If you can part with two high C prospects and maybe a low C, then you can have both of them. You're not really abusing trade logic, or ripping the Orioles off. You're the one that's getting less value than you probably could from Street, so if you really like the Norris + Lombardozzi deal, go for it. It's all up to you and your preference.

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          • WaitTilNextYear
            Go Cubs Go
            • Mar 2013
            • 16830

            #3380
            Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by Bull_Market
            I respectfully disagree, how can you come to the conclusion its "pretty obvious"? Sano has 0 major league ABS as far as I know, where as Rizzo has a huge sample size behind him now. Rizzo is also hitting LH pitching well this year, usually a big struggle for him. At best, id say they are equal.
            Originally posted by k_mac
            Weighing in on the Rizzo/Sano debate. I agree with AC that Sano's market value is probably higher than Rizzo's. Our front office is absolutely in love with Rizzo (Hoyer's traded to get him twice now), but around baseball I'm sure that people would rather have Sano. I don't totally agree with that, but that's how people view "great" prospects. He hasn't proven himself yet, but he has crazy power. He's also 3 years younger. I think that Sano has a higher ceiling because of that power, but Rizzo has the higher floor. You know exactly what you're getting with Rizzo, Sano is a pipe dream. Plus, Sano playing 3B probably gives him a slight boost in value, assuming that he sticks there. It would probably take at least Rizzo + Vogelbach

            That was my attempt at an unbiased view of things. I love Rizzo, and he's playing so much better now than he was last year. That's gave me genuine hope that he can live up to the lofty expectations and he's pushed his game up to the next level. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't make the Rizzo for Sano swap.
            At this point in time with Rizzo putting last year's struggles with splits behind him and really boosting his OBP and with Sano on the shelf with TJ and unlikely to stay at 3B anyway due to wooden actions at the hot corner, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a GM in baseball that would give up Rizzo for Sano in a straight swap.

            If we're talking market value in terms of what do real front offices think, I'd have to think they're heavily invested in analytics and should be smarter than getting hung up on 10-15 extra HRs per year from Sano, when Rizzo will have a higher career WAR by some distance if both players continue on their current path. Sano might have a productive career as 1B/LF/DH and never hit above .250 and he might never even sniff a .330 OBP.

            If we're talking market value in terms of what the fans think, then I'd agree that many fans would trade Rizzo for Sano.
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            • RyanMan82
              Rookie
              • May 2014
              • 60

              #3381
              Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

              Early in my Braves 'chise, looking to add Nick Castellanos and ship out Chris Johnson. The spreadsheet has Castellanos at a low A and mid B. Would Alex Wood SP/RP (23 83 mid B) and Shae Simmons RP/CP (23 76 mid B) be enough for him (21 77 high B)? If not, who else could I add throw in to sweeten the deal? Wood would be their #3 SP or highest overall RP and Simmons would be their second highest overall RP (behind Wood) or their future replacement for Joe Nathan. I can't stand pitching with Wood, as he only has three pitches, and I love having 4+. Simmons is replaceable as I signed a mid B and low B CP, and Kimbrel is going to be our closer for awhile.

              Also where would be a good team to send Chris Johnson to? He won't be needed if I do acquire Castellanos, and I would like to get either left handed SP or RP. Won't even bother posting stats, as I'm only four games into the season.

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              • Totte
                MVP
                • Mar 2005
                • 2919

                #3382
                Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by RyanMan82
                Early in my Braves 'chise, looking to add Nick Castellanos and ship out Chris Johnson. The spreadsheet has Castellanos at a low A and mid B. Would Alex Wood SP/RP (23 83 mid B) and Shae Simmons RP/CP (23 76 mid B) be enough for him (21 77 high B)? If not, who else could I add throw in to sweeten the deal? Wood would be their #3 SP or highest overall RP and Simmons would be their second highest overall RP (behind Wood) or their future replacement for Joe Nathan. I can't stand pitching with Wood, as he only has three pitches, and I love having 4+. Simmons is replaceable as I signed a mid B and low B CP, and Kimbrel is going to be our closer for awhile.



                Also where would be a good team to send Chris Johnson to? He won't be needed if I do acquire Castellanos, and I would like to get either left handed SP or RP. Won't even bother posting stats, as I'm only four games into the season.

                How early into the season are you? If the Tigers were to move Castellanos, the most realistic thing would be if they acquired an established power bat (as they've got plenty of pitching already).

                Spinning on your thoughts though, the Tigers would need to receive one of the following back:
                1. Chris Johnson to replace Castellanos at 3B.
                2. Tyler Pastornicky to play SS with Jose Iglesias moving to 3B.

                I like the idea of Simmons going to Detroit giving them a future closer unless Rondon can't bounce back from TJ surgery or find the control of his pitches.

                Wood is the main piece of the deal.

                I suggest you take Wood, Simmons and Johnson/Pastornicky and send to Detroit for Castellanos and a minor piece like Putkonen
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                • AC
                  Win the East
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 14951

                  #3383
                  Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                  If we're talking market value in terms of what do real front offices think, I'd have to think they're heavily invested in analytics and should be smarter than getting hung up on 10-15 extra HRs per year from Sano, when Rizzo will have a higher career WAR by some distance if both players continue on their current path
                  Analytics teams dig the long ball. It's the most efficient way to score. Long story short, HR are a more stable skill than BA, so they'd be more pressed to go for the guy with dingers cause even if their talent is the same it'll fluctuate less.

                  I'm talking market value here. Rizzo for Sano is probably fair, but I think the Twins could do a lot better in the open market. They could get a stud pitcher or something with that kind of ammo, he's a top 10 prospect in baseball. That's a present worth of $42m in surplus value. (http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012...us-values.html)

                  Also, if Sano plays anywhere other than 1B, which he probably will, he'll have a leg up on Rizzo in terms of market value. The HR is a value that the market universally appreciate. The analytical teams like it because it's the most efficient way to score - can't get thrown out on a dinger - and the basic teams like it cause chicks dig it bruhhhhhh (it's flashy). You gotta think a guy like RAJ would be head over heels for Sano, or a team like Tampa or Pittsburgh or Oakland or STL.
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                  • Coper3000
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 157

                    #3384
                    Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                    Looking at a possible trade in my SD Franchise. This will take place in the offseason. Stats are sort off the top of my head, and it's nearing midseason:

                    PIT Receives:
                    Tyson Ross, SP (3.40 ERA)

                    SD Receives:
                    Josh Harrison, IF/OF (.258 avg, .300 obp, 4 dingers)
                    Andrew Lambo, RF/1B (AAA, .250 avg)

                    How does this look, fair/unbalanced? Should I add a possible bullpen arm, or a prospect?
                    Last edited by Coper3000; 06-12-2014, 09:52 AM.

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                    • UTAllTheWay
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 643

                      #3385
                      Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by Coper3000
                      Looking at a possible trade in my SD Franchise. This will take place in the offseason. Stats are sort off the top of my head, and it's nearing midseason:

                      PIT Receives:
                      Tyson Ross, SP (3.40 ERA)

                      SD Receives:
                      Josh Harrison, IF/OF (.258 avg, .300 obp, 4 dingers)
                      Andrew Lambo, RF/1B (AAA, .250 avg)

                      How does this look, fair/unbalanced? Should I add a possible bullpen arm, or a prospect?
                      I don't think you're getting enough for Tyson Ross, personally.

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                      • PistoleFoley
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 264

                        #3386
                        Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by AC
                        You gotta think a guy like RAJ would be head over heels for Sano, or a team like Tampa or Pittsburgh or Oakland or STL.
                        I'm using STL in my franchise but I'm only a few weeks into the season. If I wanted to pursue Sano would a combination of Lynn/Adams even get me in the door?

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                        • AC
                          Win the East
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 14951

                          #3387
                          Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by MikeFoley4
                          I'm using STL in my franchise but I'm only a few weeks into the season. If I wanted to pursue Sano would a combination of Lynn/Adams even get me in the door?
                          Most definitely not.
                          "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                          • k_mac
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 2059

                            #3388
                            Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by MikeFoley4
                            I'm using STL in my franchise but I'm only a few weeks into the season. If I wanted to pursue Sano would a combination of Lynn/Adams even get me in the door?

                            Not even close. Talks would have to start with someone like Shelby Miller and then some.

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                            • mgcst5
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 381

                              #3389
                              Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                              If realism means anything in your dynasty, Sano is not traded in any scenario. Prospect for prospect deals are not realistic and he will not be traded for a proven player while Twins are rebuilding. Thought this was worth mentioning for everyone

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                              • RyanMan82
                                Rookie
                                • May 2014
                                • 60

                                #3390
                                Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by Totte
                                How early into the season are you? If the Tigers were to move Castellanos, the most realistic thing would be if they acquired an established power bat (as they've got plenty of pitching already).

                                Spinning on your thoughts though, the Tigers would need to receive one of the following back:
                                1. Chris Johnson to replace Castellanos at 3B.
                                2. Tyler Pastornicky to play SS with Jose Iglesias moving to 3B.

                                I like the idea of Simmons going to Detroit giving them a future closer unless Rondon can't bounce back from TJ surgery or find the control of his pitches.

                                Wood is the main piece of the deal.

                                I suggest you take Wood, Simmons and Johnson/Pastornicky and send to Detroit for Castellanos and a minor piece like Putkonen
                                Thanks! This deal would honestly be perfect. I'm four games into the season, so I might wait until Johnson's bat starts to heat up. For now, I think I'll keep Wood in the pen and spot start him every once in awhile to get him some stats. Simmons already has 2 IP, SV, 4 Ks and a .5 WHIP, so I think Detroit will get a fair return for NC.

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