MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Bull_Market]

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I'm currently 15 games in my Braves 'chise and I'm looking to trade RP Jordan Walden for a prospect OF. He's a mid B 76 overall, with a 0.00 ERA, .67 WHIP in 3 IPs with 6 Ks. Any ideas on where I should move him. My bullpen has been on fire to start the season, with a combined .95 ERA with a .89 WHIP and with 23 Ks in 19 IPs. Any ideas on teams that could use him? Also whats the market for Ervin Santana? I've spot started David Hale and Cody Martin both once so far, and I've liked what they have showed, while I've been struggling with Santana's control. Thanks.

After 15 games, its a little early to say, but most usual contenders can use a power arm like Walden. You could always send Santana to Toronto, they really wanted him prior to the season.

[RyanMan82]

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After 15 games, its a little early to say, but most usual contenders can use a power arm like Walden. You could always send Santana to Toronto, they really wanted him prior to the season.

I know it's still pretty early, but I always get trade fever haha. So far, the Cardinals (12-2) and the Dodger (10-4) have started off hot, but I'm thinking if they are doing well by the trade deadline, SF, NYY, DET, LAA, and TEX could all use another RP. I'll sit back for now and revisit this around the ASG.

[24]

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Would Nova + A throw in work for Carlos Sanchez? Sanchez is valued as a Low B on the spreadsheet which is the same as Nova's value. Chicago also needs help on the pitching end.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Brandon Morrow is the definition of the phrase "tremendous amount of upside."

But at 29, that really doesn't leave much room for upside. He only has so many 5+ ERA seasons left before going by the wayside as unrealized upside. Take his 2012 away and you basically have flashes of potential and an otherwise empty career. Excluding 2012, 4.2 WAR over 600+ IP. Yikes.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I know it's still pretty early, but I always get trade fever haha. So far, the Cardinals (12-2) and the Dodger (10-4) have started off hot, but I'm thinking if they are doing well by the trade deadline, SF, NYY, DET, LAA, and TEX could all use another RP. I'll sit back for now and revisit this around the ASG.

Records mean nothing at this point. Zip. Zero. Squat. Nada at 10-15 games in. That's why nobody trades this early because nobody knows what they truly need. I would agree that revisiting later is best.

Would Nova + A throw in work for Carlos Sanchez? Sanchez is valued as a Low B on the spreadsheet which is the same as Nova's value. Chicago also needs help on the pitching end.

I think they should give you a throw in. Nova > Sanchez imo, if slightly.

[AC]

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But at 29, that really doesn't leave much room for upside. He only has so many 5+ ERA seasons left before going by the wayside as unrealized upside. Take his 2012 away and you basically have flashes of potential and an otherwise empty career. Excluding 2012, 4.2 WAR over 600+ IP. Yikes.

Why do we get to just exclude 2012? Over his whole career, the good and the bad, he has about 3 wins per 200 IP. that's a little better than Dickerson's upside, that's formidable upside. You can't really just exclude something cause it helps your case.

For example, in 2010-2012 and 2014, he's posted 4.0 fWAR/200.

[Deuce2223]

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Have decided to do a Franchise with the Brewers. I am not looking to do a complete rebuild as I would like to keep them competitive in the NL Central, however the farm system ranks as one of the worst in baseball..

I would like to trade Mr PED AKA Ryan Braun and with the Mariners looking to spend money and win a with their new tv money, I think he would fit in very well in RF. (We all know C. Hart and L. Morrison isn't going to be the answer).

I feel like Braun's value is down but the spreadsheet still says Low A and 2 Mid B's.

I feel the Brewers biggest needs are a future 3B, OF help and help in the bullpen.

I really like Stefen Romero as one of the pieces because he played 3B and 1B in college but is currently playing in the OF. He has potential power to possibly hit 3-5 in the order and is rated a B.

I also like LHP James Paxton as a piece as the current starting 5 for Milwaukee are all Righties

and for the 3rd piece I don't know maybe another arm like Victor Sanchez or Edwin Diaz as both are young and I can leave them in AA or AAA for a couple of seasons with maybe a 4th player added like J. Borban or J. Blash so I have another young OF that could fill Braun's spot in the OF next season.

Or if someone else has some other teams that would be a good fit, I would be open to other ideas. Maybe the Mets?

3B is also a key position I would like to get but what young 3B are teams willing to give up?

[AC]

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That isn't nearly enough for Braun. Romero has little to no value, and the two arms you mentioned aren't really centerpieces. Paxton is an okay starting point, but in all likelihood, they're giving up Walker.

[Bull_Market]

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Brandon Morrow is the definition of the phrase "tremendous amount of upside."

29 years old, career .500 pitcher, career ERA over 4, injury prone, where is the upside?

[AC]

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29 years old, career .500 pitcher, career ERA over 4, injury prone, where is the upside?

You're going to quote win loss record and ERA?

Ugh, just take a look at this link. (http://www.fangraphs.com/library/principles/dips/) See what you think, if it changes your mind or not. It'll probably shorten the war by 5 years and save millions of lives. If it doesn't, I won't put up an argument.

Of course, it's moot, because realistically, the Jays don't trade Morrow without getting a guy like Dickerson.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Why do we get to just exclude 2012? Over his whole career, the good and the bad, he has about 3 wins per 200 IP. that's a little better than Dickerson's upside, that's formidable upside. You can't really just exclude something cause it helps your case.

For example, in 2010-2012 and 2014, he's posted 4.0 fWAR/200.

I mean even if you want to include 2012, which is an outlier in terms of overall value, he's still a guy with awful command, a loooong injury history, and having only topped 150 IP in a season once.

I think your pro-Morrow analysis is a bit colored by your Jays fandom if you don't mind me saying that. I also feel he's being a bit overrated. I actually expect Rex Brothers to "out-WAR" Morrow over the next 5 years and Brothers is a reliever. I guess we'll see.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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That isn't nearly enough for Braun. Romero has little to no value, and the two arms you mentioned aren't really centerpieces. Paxton is an okay starting point, but in all likelihood, they're giving up Walker.

Deuce, I agree with AC here and I explained this in my PM.

You're going to quote win loss record and ERA?

Ugh, just take a look at this link. (http://www.fangraphs.com/library/principles/dips/) See what you think, if it changes your mind or not. It'll probably shorten the war by 5 years and save millions of lives. If it doesn't, I won't put up an argument.

Of course, it's moot, because realistically, the Jays don't trade Morrow without getting a guy like Dickerson.

Instant classic line. From now on, this should be what we should post to cut off debate.

[Bull_Market]

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You're going to quote win loss record and ERA?

Ugh, just take a look at this link. (http://www.fangraphs.com/library/principles/dips/) See what you think, if it changes your mind or not. It'll probably shorten the war by 5 years and save millions of lives. If it doesn't, I won't put up an argument.

Of course, it's moot, because realistically, the Jays don't trade Morrow without getting a guy like Dickerson.

Relax, the dude has little to no upside. K/9 is declining and he has a 5.50 ERA since the start of last year. Just because you're a Jays fan doesn't mean you can't be objective. I don't need a Brian Kenny-esque link on how saber metrics work.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Relax, the dude has little to no upside. K/9 is declining and he has a 5.50 ERA since the start of last year. Just because you're a Jays fan doesn't mean you can't be objective. I don't need a Brian Kenny-esque link on how saber metrics work.

[AC]

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I mean even if you want to include 2012, which is an outlier in terms of overall value, he's still a guy with awful command, a loooong injury history, and having only topped 150 IP in a season once.

I think your pro-Morrow analysis is a bit colored by your Jays fandom if you don't mind me saying that. I also feel he's being a bit overrated. I actually expect Rex Brothers to "out-WAR" Morrow over the next 5 years and Brothers is a reliever. I guess we'll see.

I'm not high on Brothers so I'll ignore the specifics and look at the overall concept. I'm not emotionally invested in the Jays. They're my team, but quite frankly, I don't care enough to get into a vicious argument. I just don't think a reliever is generally more valuable with a starter, especially when the starter has 3.5 win upside. His command is offset by the strikeout numbers, hence the great defense independent numbers. The injury history is concerning, but there's nothing wrong with him medically aside from the diabetes, which he has under control. It's just bad luck. Also, he did the whole weighted balls thing which has worked out horribly for every single player that did it (Delabar optioned, Janssen injured, Cecil DL, Santos injured, Morrow DL, and so on).

Dickerson is a potential 3 win OF and Morrow is a potential 3.5 win SP. However, Dickerson is more likely to hit his potential. So they're about even. And Rutledge isn't a difference maker.

That's what the Jays would want back. Trust me.

Relax, the dude has little to no upside. K/9 is declining and he has a 5.50 ERA since the start of last year. Just because you're a Jays fan doesn't mean you can't be objective. I don't need a Brian Kenny-esque link on how saber metrics work.

Lol, this isn't worth arguing with. Bye.