MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Right, that's one reason why its dumb to use errors as a stat. I hardly ever look at it.

But then again errors is a key component of UZR.....

[moth to a flame]

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Right, but I don't consider an r^2 of 0.28 (the year-over-year UZR correlation in the article you posted) to be much better than tossing a dart at a dartboard in the dark 20 meters away while blindfolded and trying to repeat it.

Over the 7 year stretch of 02-08, it went up to 0.36 for infielders and 0.26 for outfielders. wOBA was at 0.53. wOBA is significantly higher, but they are kinda close. Still better than nothing. That's why when I see a -3.7, I just regress it to 0 and think of it as average.

But then again errors is a key component of UZR.....

Seeing as how small error percentages are, I don't see it as having a big enough effect to cause a reason to dismiss it. I could be wrong, though.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I hope everyone had fun while we temporarily converted this thread into an advanced defensive metrics summit and debate, but, I have a trade Q...

I am in early/mid June and my Twins are looking to sell. I've put Jared Burton, Trevor Plouffe, and Kevin Correia on the trade block. Burton is doing ok in a setup role, Correia's been so bad I'll be lucky to get $$ or PTBNL for him. But Plouffe is a guy I am pretty set on moving for a mid-level spect. Not a fan of Plouffe's defense, he leads the team in GIDP (and doubles), and not feeling him long term. Relevant stats: .225/.298/.383 with 18 2B, 5 HR, 29 RBI in 209 AB. Spreadsheet has him at high C + high C. Lots of positional versatility (1B, 2B, SS, 3B, LF, RF).

KC, CWS, DET, CLE, BOS, LAD, ARZ, STL, CIN, MIL, WAS, PHI, ATL all leading or within 5 GB in their divisions at the ~ 65 game played mark. It's a bit early, but what would be a good fit for Plouffe and what sort of catcher or pitcher prospect do you think I could nab?

[kmoser]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I hope everyone had fun while we temporarily converted this thread into an advanced defensive metrics summit and debate, but, I have a trade Q...

I am in early/mid June and my Twins are looking to sell. I've put Jared Burton, Trevor Plouffe, and Kevin Correia on the trade block. Burton is doing ok in a setup role, Correia's been so bad I'll be lucky to get $$ or PTBNL for him. But Plouffe is a guy I am pretty set on moving for a mid-level spect. Not a fan of Plouffe's defense, he leads the team in GIDP (and doubles), and not feeling him long term. Relevant stats: .225/.298/.383 with 18 2B, 5 HR, 29 RBI in 209 AB. Spreadsheet has him at high C + high C. Lots of positional versatility (1B, 2B, SS, 3B, LF, RF).

KC, CWS, DET, CLE, BOS, LAD, ARZ, STL, CIN, MIL, WAS, PHI, ATL all leading or within 5 GB in their divisions at the ~ 65 game played mark. It's a bit early, but what would be a good fit for Plouffe and what sort of catcher or pitcher prospect do you think I could nab?

I believe Boston has some decent Catching prospects. I would check them out.


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[Jr.]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I hope everyone had fun while we temporarily converted this thread into an advanced defensive metrics summit and debate, but, I have a trade Q...

I am in early/mid June and my Twins are looking to sell. I've put Jared Burton, Trevor Plouffe, and Kevin Correia on the trade block. Burton is doing ok in a setup role, Correia's been so bad I'll be lucky to get $$ or PTBNL for him. But Plouffe is a guy I am pretty set on moving for a mid-level spect. Not a fan of Plouffe's defense, he leads the team in GIDP (and doubles), and not feeling him long term. Relevant stats: .225/.298/.383 with 18 2B, 5 HR, 29 RBI in 209 AB. Spreadsheet has him at high C + high C. Lots of positional versatility (1B, 2B, SS, 3B, LF, RF).

KC, CWS, DET, CLE, BOS, LAD, ARZ, STL, CIN, MIL, WAS, PHI, ATL all leading or within 5 GB in their divisions at the ~ 65 game played mark. It's a bit early, but what would be a good fit for Plouffe and what sort of catcher or pitcher prospect do you think I could nab?

I sent Plouffe to KC in year 1 of my franchise as Moustakas was hitting in the low .200s with little power. I believe I sent a high C/low B and a mid/high C pitching prospect, but I can't remember which one in the KC organization.

[k_mac]

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I believe Boston has some decent Catching prospects. I would check them out.


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I don't think they'd give up either of those guys for Plouffe honestly.

They're not on your list, but you could maybe get Jimenez from Toronto, and they could play Plouffe at 2B. If he's a C in the game, you could probably get an additional C pitching prospect. Idk, his stats would probably have to be a little better for that to happen.

[CameRoN0407]

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I believe Boston has some decent Catching prospects. I would check them out.


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No way we give up Swihart or Vazquez for Plouffe.

Maybe Plouffe to Detroit as SS/3B for Eugenio Suarez and Jeff Thompson?

My stance on UZR, too hard to get accurate calculations due to chances. also, Arm runs is involved in the formula, and I hate that stat soooooooooo much.

[moth to a flame]

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No way we give up Swihart or Vazquez for Plouffe.

Maybe Plouffe to Detroit as SS/3B for Eugenio Suarez and Jeff Thompson?

My stance on UZR, too hard to get accurate calculations due to chances. also, Arm runs is involved in the formula, and I hate that stat soooooooooo much.

I don't see that being a good deal for Detroit, IMO.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Thanks for the ideas

I believe Boston has some decent Catching prospects. I would check them out.


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Thanks for the idea. Middlebrooks is doing pretty well, but maybe Plouffe in a corner OF spot would entice them. Not sure what I could pry away from Ben Cherington...probably not one of their top C spects.

I sent Plouffe to KC in year 1 of my franchise as Moustakas was hitting in the low .200s with little power. I believe I sent a high C/low B and a mid/high C pitching prospect, but I can't remember which one in the KC organization.

Will have to look into Moose's stats, but certainly a thought and draining a division rival's prospect stable has a certain appeal.

No way we give up Swihart or Vazquez for Plouffe.

Maybe Plouffe to Detroit as SS/3B for Eugenio Suarez and Jeff Thompson?

My stance on UZR, too hard to get accurate calculations due to chances. also, Arm runs is involved in the formula, and I hate that stat soooooooooo much.

Perhaps. I would like to prioritize the C and P spots because I seem to have pretty good options everywhere else on the farm. I am so thin at C with Mauer at 1B and Pinto really all I have that's under 30.

I don't think they'd give up either of those guys for Plouffe honestly.

They're not on your list, but you could maybe get Jimenez from Toronto, and they could play Plouffe at 2B. If he's a C in the game, you could probably get an additional C pitching prospect. Idk, his stats would probably have to be a little better for that to happen.

Not a bad thought. I am actually visiting the Jays and about to start a 3 game set. Will look into it. I believe they have Steve Tolleson starting at 2B with Lawrie playing some 2B as well. They could use the help if they are to catch Boston or get a WC spot.

[CameRoN0407]

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Arizona for Boslinger, Michael Perez?

[Gagnon39]

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Thoughts on this CPU-to-CPU trade...

Dodgers offering to Tornoto

RF Andre Ethier | Age: 30, 80 OVR, B POT, hitting .379 (yes, .379 but in only 103 at-bats; he's been injured). 5 HR, 20 RBI

Dodgers asking for...

SS Dawel Lugo | Age: 19, 61 OVR, B POT, currently in Double-A where he's hitting .259, with 24 RBIs.

RP Aaron Loup | Age: 26, 76 OVR, C POT, 2.87 ERA, 32 Ks in 47 IP

I'm guessing they're offering Ethier because they have a surplus of outfielders?

The Dodgers are currently in first place in the NL West by 4.5 games.

The Blue Jays are 3.5 behind Tampa Bay in the AL East but currently hold the top Wild Card spot.

[rovert22044]

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Alright guys. Going to be starting my Astros franchise here soon. First thing I want to do is get rid of Chris Carter. One player I'm interested in is Phillies 1B Darin Ruf. What kind of trades do you see happening here? I'm not sure if I should offer them more than that or they should offer me more (don't know too much on Ruf). I appreciate the responses.

Can someone answer this for me please? Thanks. Lol interested to hear everyone's opinions.

[Gagnon39]

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Can someone answer this for me please? Thanks. Lol interested to hear everyone's opinions.

The only thing I know about Ruf is that he hit two bombs against me the other day.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Thoughts on this CPU-to-CPU trade...

Dodgers offering to Tornoto

RF Andre Ethier | Age: 30, 80 OVR, B POT, hitting .379 (yes, .379 but in only 103 at-bats; he's been injured). 5 HR, 20 RBI

Dodgers asking for...

SS Dawel Lugo | Age: 19, 61 OVR, B POT, currently in Double-A where he's hitting .259, with 24 RBIs.

RP Aaron Loup | Age: 26, 76 OVR, C POT, 2.87 ERA, 32 Ks in 47 IP

I'm guessing they're offering Ethier because they have a surplus of outfielders?

The Dodgers are currently in first place in the NL West by 4.5 games.

The Blue Jays are 3.5 behind Tampa Bay in the AL East but currently hold the top Wild Card spot.

This is a real gem as far as cpu trades go. I actually think this is pretty good. Not all that common to deal away a vet that's hitting .379 while in 1st place, but makes sense otherwise.

Can someone answer this for me please? Thanks. Lol interested to hear everyone's opinions.

Carter and Ruf are basically both spare parts on their teams with similar value. Straight up deal would be ok, but the spreadsheet says you are owed another high C in addition to Ruf, so you could pick out a small piece if you want.

[Gagnon39]

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I'm not entirely sure how to use the spreadsheet to calculate whether a trade is fair or not.

Also, I'm ready to deal Darwin Barney. I don't really care what I get in return but can anyone give me some advice as to who might need a great fielding second baseman who can't hit?