MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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Where are you at in your Franchise and what kind of stats is Reyes putting up? Based off your own spreadsheet it doesn't appear Reyes is a very realistic trade piece, but if so what teams need a upgrade at SS?

Loool it's not my spreadsheet. Reyes is plenty realistic, trust me. Going off of IRL stats.

I've been thinking of a 3 way deal. I send a team Reyes. That team takes on a bad contract from another team and acquires a prospect that they then flip to me for Reyes. So like I give the Brewers Reyes, they take on Carl Crawford's contract, and LAD gives me Seager. And I take on Weeks.

but if I threw in Gleybers, you think it's a go?

You can keep on asking, I'll keep on saying no. Just go for Grandal or someone. It's not a fit.

[Deuce2223]

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I know Villanueva is a third baseman, I'm saying I'd throw him in on top of Veras if that would net me Ciuffo.

So if you're Tampa Bay's general manager, what would it take to get Ciuffo? Give me an offer.

If I was Tampa Bay's GM I wouldn't be for very long because I would be fired for trading Ciuffo.

M's wanted to trade for G. Stanton last year.. Mariners didn't because Miami wanted M. Zunino their 1st round draft pick catcher in return.

Again teams don't trade catchers drafted in the 1st round for a pair of bullpen arms and a young MI who is years away from the Majors because they are in a playoff race. More likely they would promote a AAA arm to help the pen or maybe trade a couple lesser prospects for a veteran arm who might be a 1 year rental.

If you want a young catcher so badly want not go the San Diego route, they obviously are going to move Grandal because they have Hedges. Or maybe try someone like Colorado who has several young catchers. Obviously they were not drafted in the 1st round but they still have B potential.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I know Villanueva is a third baseman, I'm saying I'd throw him in on top of Veras if that would net me Ciuffo.

So if you're Tampa Bay's general manager, what would it take to get Ciuffo? Give me an offer.

I think the reason AC mentioned Villanueva being a 3B is because you posted this...

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I'd definitely part with Torres or maybe even Christian (not Carlos) Villanueva. He's a 71 overall, a B potential catcher and just 22-years old.

Maybe you were referring to Ciuffo as the 71 OVR B here? I actually read it the same way as if Villanueva was the catching spect.

Anyone got ideas for a Jose Reyes trade?

The Cubs could use a middle infielder

[Gagnon39]

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I agree that a team wouldn't trade a high ceiling catching prospect for a RP, but real life has nothing to do with it.

It doesn't matter one bit that Veras sucked in real life. He's pitching okay in Gagnon's MLB: The Show Franchise world... that's all that matters. His value is ONLY based on what is going on in his franchise, combined with what has happened in real life in previous years... not this year.

I've seen a few people talk about this, but what is going on in real life baseball in 2014 has no bearing on any of these trades, unless people are looking to start from the particular day they are posting, forward.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now and ask for some advice myself.

I'm approaching the All-Star break in my Cubs franchise. I'm in year 2017, and below are Castro's stats since my first season:

Castro (88 OVR, B POT, if that matters) 26 years old (4th year of 6 year contract, $5.8M, $6.1M, $6.4M left)
2014: .265 14/65
2015: .284 10/57
2016: .241 15/64
2017: .240ish 9/43 in around 320 ABs

What would his value be at this point? He's still rated really well, but for some reason he just doesn't produce for me.

Well said. I understand he sucked in real life, but he's exactly what the Cubs were hoping for when they signed him in my franchise. Had Veras done ANYTHING at all this year in real life he would be traded before the deadline, no doubt. That's exactly where I am. In my franchise he's done fairly well. Not dominant, but definitely good enough that someone would give up something, especially combined with another B-level prospect.

As I've said a million times, I love these discussions, that's why I post on here. I want the trade to be realistic and as it is quite obvious I am indeed dead-set on acquiring a young catching prospect. I know that teams typically don't give up young catchers but there has to be something that would be reasonable, given the situation here.

Veras and Christian Villanueva? Veras and Gleybers? If I'm losing a lot by giving up Gleybers, then so be it. I want a young catcher.

Also, I can't get Castro to do anything for me either. He's hitting just .216 at the All-Star break. But I'm a long, long way from giving up on him.

[Gagnon39]

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I think the reason AC mentioned Villanueva being a 3B is because you posted this...



Maybe you were referring to Ciuffo as the 71 OVR B here? I actually read it the same way as if Villanueva was the catching spect.



The Cubs could use a middle infielder

Whoops. My mistake, but I do (and did) know he's a third baseman. Thanks for clarifying there.

And just to be clear, sometimes I feel like these discussions get a little heated and I never, ever mean to take them in that direction. If I come across that way, I apologize. This is one of my favorite threads here (that I just recently "discovered"). I'm just trying to figure out some deals to make before July 31.

[AC]

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Veras and Christian Villanueva? Veras and Gleybers? If I'm losing a lot by giving up Gleybers, then so be it. I want a young catcher.

I can go all night. This is neither fair nor realistic.

[Jr.]

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Well said. I understand he sucked in real life, but he's exactly what the Cubs were hoping for when they signed him in my franchise. Had Veras done ANYTHING at all this year in real life he would be traded before the deadline, no doubt. That's exactly where I am. In my franchise he's done fairly well. Not dominant, but definitely good enough that someone would give up something, especially combined with another B-level prospect.

As I've said a million times, I love these discussions, that's why I post on here. I want the trade to be realistic and as it is quite obvious I am indeed dead-set on acquiring a young catching prospect. I know that teams typically don't give up young catchers but there has to be something that would be reasonable, given the situation here.

Veras and Christian Villanueva? Veras and Gleybers? If I'm losing a lot by giving up Gleybers, then so be it. I want a young catcher.

Also, I can't get Castro to do anything for me either. He's hitting just .216 at the All-Star break. But I'm a long, long way from giving up on him.

Legit catching prospects are really hard to acquire in trades, because they don't come around often. I was able to get Swihart in my franchise as part of a Samardzija deal, but he hasn't panned out at all. Luckily, I found a stud in the draft and got him #2 overall this season.

If you're planning on keeping your franchise for the long haul, I would say stick with Castillo for now and look to the draft again next season. Do what the real life Cubs do and find an underrated SP in FA and see if you can get a Feldman/Hammel type year where you can then swing him for the catcher you're looking for.

If not, you'll have to move one of your better prospects, or a MLB level position player to get one in a trade.

[AC]

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Graaandallllllll lol

[Gagnon39]

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Bryant, Baez, and Soler for Ciuffo...

Just kidding.

Okay, if Ciuffo is not going anywhere what would Tampa Bay give me for Veras? I'm just lookin to dump him at this point if I'm not combining a prospect with him in the trade.

[Gagnon39]

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Graaandallllllll lol

What would it take to get him? The Padres are not going to be a playoff team in my franchise. They are definitely sellers.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I agree that a team wouldn't trade a high ceiling catching prospect for a RP, but real life stats have nothing to do with it.

It doesn't matter one bit that Veras sucked in real life. He's pitching okay in Gagnon's MLB: The Show Franchise world... that's all that matters. His value is ONLY based on what is going on in his franchise, combined with what has happened in real life in previous years... not this year.

I've seen a few people talk about this, but what is going on in real life baseball in 2014 has no bearing on any of these trades, unless people are looking to start from the particular day they are posting, forward.

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That's all well and good, but when does a team trade a guy they picked in last year's 1st round for someone who would become their 4th best reliever (at best) for half of a season?

As a point of reference the Tigers traded Danry Vasquez + David Paulino to HOU for Veras last year. Vasquez and Paulino were IFA's in 2010 (not even a draft pick) and Veras had better stats with HOU than he does in this chise where they chiser is trying so mightily to dump him for a blue chip catching prospect.

[AC]

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Bryant, Baez, and Soler for Ciuffo...

Just kidding.

Okay, if Ciuffo is not going anywhere what would Tampa Bay give me for Veras? I'm just lookin to dump him at this point if I'm not combining a prospect with him in the trade.

Posted that about a page ago I think

What would it take to get him? The Padres are not going to be a playoff team in my franchise. They are definitely sellers.

Again posted that about a page ago

Ruggiano

[AC]

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That's all well and good, but when does a team trade a guy they picked in last year's 1st round for someone who would become their 4th best reliever (at best) for half of a season?

As a point of reference the Tigers traded Danry Vasquez + David Paulino to HOU for Veras last year. Vasquez and Paulino were IFA's in 2010 (not even a draft pick) and Veras had better stats with HOU than he does in this chise where they chiser is trying so mightily to dump him for a blue chip catching prospect.

In all fairness Danry was a pretty decent spect

[Deuce2223]

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Loool it's not my spreadsheet. Reyes is plenty realistic, trust me. Going off of IRL stats.

I've been thinking of a 3 way deal. I send a team Reyes. That team takes on a bad contract from another team and acquires a prospect that they then flip to me for Reyes. So like I give the Brewers Reyes, they take on Carl Crawford's contract, and LAD gives me Seager. And I take on Weeks.

Gotcha.

Well again the M's might be someone that could fit that area. They need OF help and Crawford would be a nice fit in their lineup at the top of the order but if you are targeting Seager from the Dodgers, but if you were taking back Mariner prospects in the deal you would probably have to settle for something like Franklin or Taylor/Marte along with someone like Paxton/Hultzen/Sanchez or maybe a young OF like A. Wilson, G. Guerrero or T. O'Nell (who is from canada)

[Gagnon39]

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I take it you haven't read much about Gleyber. You'd be losing that by a lot, lol.

Was I misunderstanding this one? To me it seems that you think it would be a bad move for me to trade Gleybers and Veras for Ciuffo. But I'd do that in a heartbeat.

This was in reference to the trade for Ciuffo.