MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Okay, this is getting ridiculous. One, the insulting and swearing needs to stop because I don't want this thread getting locked. I'm not trying to play mod, but I'd like this thread to stay alive.

Two, those who saying Samardijza wouldn't bring back a top 100 prospect are wrong. Factually so. But, those who are saying Shark deserves a top 10 prospect are also wrong. Again, factually so.

Over the course of the offseason, my very own (long exasperated sigh) Toronto Blue Jays were locked in negotiations over Jeff Samardzija with the Cubs. The Blue Jays offered something like Tirado, Nay, Gose, Sierra/Drabek, and were turned down. That's a top 75 prospect (Jason Parks, Tirado), probably consensus top 100 prospect if eligible (Gose), late 100 prospect (Forget who, Nay) and ****. The Cubs, however, wanted Aaron Sanchez and Marcus Stroman, two top 45 prospects, and they were quickly, quickly rebuffed.

So, what does this tell us? Shark's true market value is probably somewhere in the middle. More than a few back end top 100 guys, but nothing quite as much as two top 45 guys. So all in all? Probably a guy in the 50-60 range and another guy in the late top 100. For the Indians, specifically? I'm no expert on the Indians' farm system, maybe something like Clint Frazier (as a PTBNL until after the June draft) and Cody Anderson, or Trevor Bauer and Anderson/Tyler Naquin. I'm not too sure on the Indians in all honesty, it's a little tough.

We need to remember, however, Shark's value is really suppressed by his lack of control. It'll be hard to provide a ton of surplus value in one year. So that's about as high as I'd go on Shark.

[AC]

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I know yall are busy arguing but do you have any ideas?

Sorry, who are your top prospects?

[Kipnis22]

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When a guy like Bryant has 40 homer potential, you can't say he is just a "good hitting prospect".

And 70 innings is not even close to enough to determine he is a safe bet. Bryant isn't a sure thing either, we're talking about ceilings.

you absolutley can, guys like Mark Trumbo, Adam Dunn, Pedro Alvarez all have 40-50 HR potential, but they wouldn't be considered elite by anybody. Theres more to a hitter then HR potential.

[Kipnis22]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Okay, this is getting ridiculous. One, the insulting and swearing needs to stop because I don't want this thread getting locked. I'm not trying to play mod, but I'd like this thread to stay alive.

Two, those who saying Samardijza wouldn't bring back a top 100 prospect are wrong. Factually so. But, those who are saying Shark deserves a top 10 prospect are also wrong. Again, factually so.

Over the course of the offseason, my very own (long exasperated sigh) Toronto Blue Jays were locked in negotiations over Jeff Samardzija with the Cubs. The Blue Jays offered something like Tirado, Nay, Gose, Sierra/Drabek, and were turned down. That's a top 75 prospect (Jason Parks, Tirado), probably consensus top 100 prospect if eligible (Gose), late 100 prospect (Forget who, Nay) and ****. The Cubs, however, wanted Aaron Sanchez and Marcus Stroman, two top 45 prospects, and they were quickly, quickly rebuffed.

So, what does this tell us? Shark's true market value is probably somewhere in the middle. More than a few back end top 100 guys, but nothing quite as much as two top 45 guys. So all in all? Probably a guy in the 50-60 range and another guy in the late top 100. For the Indians, specifically? I'm no expert on the Indians' farm system, maybe something like Clint Frazier (as a PTBNL until after the June draft) and Cody Anderson, or Trevor Bauer and Anderson/Tyler Naquin. I'm not too sure on the Indians in all honesty, it's a little tough.

We need to remember, however, Shark's value is really suppressed by his lack of control. It'll be hard to provide a ton of surplus value in one year. So that's about as high as I'd go on Shark.

LOL theres no way in hell Samardzija gets any combination of Frazier, Bauer, Anderson and NaQuin. and for the FIFTH time, the Cubs can ask for the moon, they'll just lose him for nothing when no one meets their demands.

[redsox4evur]

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you absolutley can, guys like Mark Trumbo, Adam Dunn, Pedro Alvarez all have 40-50 HR potential, but they wouldn't be considered elite by anybody. Theres more to a hitter then HR potential.

Here is an excerpt of the scouting report on Pedro Alavarez in 2009 from Keith Law. At the plate, Alvarez is strong and has a high-effort swing that produces big power and lots of hard contact, mostly to right and right-center, but he has struggled with left-handers. In general, he didn't make enough contact in the SEC after coming back from a broken hamate (hand) bone. His setup, with an extremely wide base that doesn't give him much chance to adjust to offspeed stuff, isn't helping, but it's fixable. Plus, you can't teach the kind of raw power Alvarez has.
The bonus kerfuffle cost him any chance to play in 2008, even in winter ball, so all we have now are year-old scouting reports and questions about his conditioning and commitment. He could be in the top 10 next year with a full, healthy season in which he addresses concerns about his ability to make contact.
So he probably would have been considered elite

[AC]

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LOL theres no way in hell Samardzija gets any combination of Frazier, Bauer, Anderson and NaQuin. and for the FIFTH time, the Cubs can ask for the moon, they'll just lose him for nothing when no one meets their demands.

I don't understand why you're so loathe to take a 2.5 K/BB, 2% above average xFIP starter who can pump it up to 95 regularly and generates swinging strikes at a good rate, especially on stuff outside the zone, and gets the extremely important first pitch strike. He's not a guy like Scherzer, but he's a very, very good pitcher. His starting pitching stats (4.10 ERA, 2.75 K/BB, 3.55 xFIP) are very good and probably the 99th percentile projections for a guy like Anderson.

Maybe it's time for you to just bow out of this and just let the other user do as they please. It is their game after all, and they're free to do with it what they choose.

[redsox4evur]

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Oh here's my proof as to why Bryant has more value than Salazar because Salazar only made his organization's top prospect list once, which was after 2012 and he debuted at 6th. He never made a top 100 list according to the sports most reputable prospect website, in Baseball America.

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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you absolutley can, guys like Mark Trumbo, Adam Dunn, Pedro Alvarez all have 40-50 HR potential, but they wouldn't be considered elite by anybody. Theres more to a hitter then HR potential.

I really dont want to talk about this anymore, i really dont want to mess up this thread, its one of my favorites

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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Guys, I am very sorry I got caught up in the heat of the arguement and I won't get that involved in that level of discussion again. While I do not feel I was aggressive, I do apologize. This is one of my favorite threads on OS, so let's keep it going strong.

[Kipnis22]

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I don't understand why you're so loathe to take a 2.5 K/BB, 2% above average xFIP starter who can pump it up to 95 regularly and generates swinging strikes at a good rate, especially on stuff outside the zone, and gets the extremely important first pitch strike. He's not a guy like Scherzer, but he's a very, very good pitcher. His starting pitching stats (4.10 ERA, 2.75 K/BB, 3.55 xFIP) are very good and probably the 99th percentile projections for a guy like Anderson.

Maybe it's time for you to just bow out of this and just let the other user do as they please. It is their game after all, and they're free to do with it what they choose.

Because he's a career over 4 ERA pitcher with only 2 years of SP experiance, and has a very compareable WHIP, H/9, and K/BB to Masterson who wouldn't get the return some people think Samardzija will. and no you can take your own advise and gtfo Im legally entitled to my own opinion. If people think they can tell me im wrong im allowed to defend myself.

[1andonly]

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Maybe Jace Peterson (to play second) and Casey Kelly? Just spitballin, tell me if that's a **** offer. It depends on how well Heyward is doing in your franchise.

Unfortunately I don't have the real rosters. I do however have a **** load of major league ready A potential prospects. I just need to get some ideas on Heyward's/Stanton's value. The Braves have a 71 overall 20 year old A potential CF behind Heyward and Heyward is playing at an All-Star level.

[redsox4evur]

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Unfortunately I don't have the real rosters. I do however have a **** load of major league ready A potential prospects. I just need to get some ideas on Heyward's/Stanton's value. The Braves have a 71 overall 20 year old A potential CF behind Heyward and Heyward is playing at an All-Star level.

What are the braves needs???

[Kipnis22]

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Oh here's my proof as to why Bryant has more value than Salazar because Salazar only made his organization's top prospect list once, which was after 2012 and he debuted at 6th. He never made a top 100 list according to the sports most reputable prospect website, in Baseball America.

Thats proof? haha oh my thats rich.

[1andonly]

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Sorry, who are your top prospects?

Ok here is the list.

Ok so I am the Padres and have a loaded farm system through trading away some of my key players like Headley, Quentin etc and here is what I am left with. I would like to make some deals happen.

Age: 22. Overall: 57. Pot: A. Pos: CP
Age: 23. Overall: 68. Pot: A. Pos: RF/LF/CF
Age: 20. Overall: 75. Pot: A. Pos: 2B/3B/SS.
Age: 24. Overall: 62. Pot: A. Pos: SP
Age: 20. Overall: 66. Pot: A. Pos: RF/LF/CF

Plus I just drafted these guys in the amateur draft.

Age: 21. Overall: 65. Pot: A (92). Pos: SP. MLB ETA: 2016.
Age: 18. Overall: 55. Pot: A (99). Pos: 2B. MLB ETA: 2019.
Age: 19. Overall: 59. Pot: A (91). Pos: RF. MLB ETA: 2019.

So I got all these guys plus some B potentials here and there.

Also I am willing to part with major league talent like Street, Josh Johnson, Luebke, Venable, Denorfia, Cabrera, Kennedy.


Standings are as follows. (GB = Games back).

NL West
Diamondbacks: 37-23
Dodgers: 35-25 (2.0 GB)
Padres: 32-26 (4.0 GB)
Rockies: 27-31 (9.0 GB)
Giants: 26-33. (10.5 GB)

NL Central
Cardinals 36-24
Brewers 32-27 (3.5 GB)
Cubs 28-29 (6.5 GB)
Pirates 26-31 (8.5 GB)
Reds 23-34 (11.5 GB)

NL East
Nationals 33-24
Mets 30-28 (3.5 GB)
Braves 29-29 (4.5 GB)
Phillies 28-29 (5.0 GB)
Marlins 26-33 (8.0 GB)

AL West
Angels 29-28
Athletics 29-29 (0.5 GB)
Mariners 29-29 (0.5 GB)
Rangers 29-29 (0.5 GB)
Astros 28-31 (2.0 GB)

AL Central
Tigers 33-24
Twins 27-30 (6.0 GB)
Royals 27-32 (7.0 GB)
Indians 22-38 (12.5 GB)
White Sox 22-38 (12.5 GB)

AL East
Blue Jays 38-21
Rays 33-27 (5.5 GB)
Red Sox 29-29 (8.5 GB)
Orioles 28-29 (9.0 GB)
Yankees 23-34 (14.0 GB)

What are the braves needs???

They could use 2B/3B/C for the most part

[AC]

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Because he's a career over 4 ERA pitcher with only 2 years of SP experiance, and has a very compareable WHIP, H/9, and K/BB to Masterson who wouldn't get the return some people think Samardzija will. and no you can take your own advise and gtfo Im legally entitled to my own opinion. If people think they can tell me im wrong im allowed to defend myself.

I'd value Masterson and Samardzija pretty similarly.

SP experience really doesn't mean a whole lot aside from false narratives and that ERA has been exactly league average. Which is pretty valuable. Coincidentally, exactly the same as Masterson. They're both league average ERA starters with high, high upside.

Also, you overestimate the amount of control a pitcher has on his WHIP and H/9. Balls in play are prone to huge swings and influenced heavily by random variance (or as the misnomer goes, "luck").

And finally, freedom of speech does legally entitle you to your opinion, but on a privately owned and operated board, you're not entitled to disobey the ToS, which includes provisions of insulting other members and inappropriate language. You may do as you wish, and argue to your heart's content, as I am no mod, but I'd also like to keep this thread open.