MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[redsox4evur]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Ok here is the list.

I would say start with the second baseman, the starter not the just drafted one, and venable (for either (but I was basing this off of braves needs)

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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Unfortunately I don't have the real rosters. I do however have a **** load of major league ready A potential prospects. I just need to get some ideas on Heyward's/Stanton's value. The Braves have a 71 overall 20 year old A potential CF behind Heyward and Heyward is playing at an All-Star level.

Stanton will probably require two 'A' prospects and an additional one/two low-mid level Bs. He comes at a more expensive price than Heyward.
Heyward, imo, probably an A and a low-mid B will get it done. He will require an A if he's playing at his all star level.

Let me know if this helps, or it's an over/under pay. (It might be haha) just let me know

[AC]

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Ok here is the list.

I would give them the OF, Hedges, the SP and Jace Peterson for Heyward and the 2B, the SP, the OF,Peterson and Fried for Stanton.

[redsox4evur]

Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I would give them the OF, Hedges, the SP and Jace Peterson for Heyward and the 2B, the SP, the OF,Peterson and Fried for Stanton.

He said he does not have the real rosters yet. so he does not have peterson, fried, and hedges

[Kipnis22]

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Which has been my point the whole time, some people think Samardzija has this very high value but Masterson doesn't. and yes it does mean a whole lot when a guy is turning 30 and if your going to give up a high end spec for him, are you 100% sure he can be that 200 IP work horse. Samardzija has gone over 200 once and had an ERA of almost 4.5 and a whip of over 1.3, thats not going to cut it if your giving up a top spec.

and finally there are still laws that protect my freedom of speech on even privatley owned message boards

I'd value Masterson and Samardzija pretty similarly.

SP experience really doesn't mean a whole lot aside from false narratives and that ERA has been exactly league average. Which is pretty valuable. Coincidentally, exactly the same as Masterson. They're both league average ERA starters with high, high upside.

Also, you overestimate the amount of control a pitcher has on his WHIP and H/9. Balls in play are prone to huge swings and influenced heavily by random variance (or as the misnomer goes, "luck").

And finally, freedom of speech does legally entitle you to your opinion, but on a privately owned and operated board, you're not entitled to disobey the ToS, which includes provisions of insulting other members and inappropriate language. You may do as you wish, and argue to your heart's content, as I am no mod, but I'd also like to keep this thread open.

[redsox4evur]

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and finally there are still laws that protect my freedom of speech on even privatley owned message boards

Yes but as ACMilan stated you still have to follow the terms and conditions that you "accepted" when you created to join this website/forums

[AC]

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Which has been my point the whole time, some people think Samardzija has this very high value but Masterson doesn't. and yes it does mean a whole lot when a guy is turning 30 and if your going to give up a high end spec for him, are you 100% sure he can be that 200 IP work horse. Samardzija has gone over 200 once and had an ERA of almost 4.5 and a whip of over 1.3, thats not going to cut it if your giving up a top spec.

and finally there are still laws that protect my freedom of speech on even privatley owned message boards

There are also rules that state that membership at a forum like this is a privilege.

Then those people who don't think Masterson have value are wrong. He has very real value. But have you seen pitchers today? The guy you KNOW can give you 200 IP of elite pitching, Clayton Kershaw, 5 straight years of near-200 IP, has pitched a solid 6.2 IP this year. There have been something like triple the amount of TJS already than there were all of last year. You can't project health. You just have to depend on luck, and hopefully biomechanics can help identify injury risks. And a top 50-60 prospect doesn't really mean a whole lot. 51-75 probably only has $10.2m of surplus value, which Shark is very likely to outproduce this year. He'd only need 1.4 fWAR, which he'll pretty surely acquire barring injury. He's gotten double that in each of the past two years.

[Kipnis22]

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just because there are injuries doesn't mean you cant expect it out of a player, you cant just sit and say well we know he wont hit 200 IP but thats because we count on him getting hurt, baseball doesnt work like that.

There are also rules that state that membership at a forum like this is a privilege.

Then those people who don't think Masterson have value are wrong. He has very real value. But have you seen pitchers today? The guy you KNOW can give you 200 IP of elite pitching, Clayton Kershaw, 5 straight years of near-200 IP, has pitched a solid 6.2 IP this year. There have been something like triple the amount of TJS already than there were all of last year. You can't project health. You just have to depend on luck, and hopefully biomechanics can help identify injury risks. And a top 50-60 prospect doesn't really mean a whole lot. 51-75 probably only has $10.2m of surplus value, which Shark is very likely to outproduce this year. He'd only need 1.4 fWAR, which he'll pretty surely acquire barring injury. He's gotten double that in each of the past two years.

[AC]

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just because there are injuries doesn't mean you cant expect it out of a player, you cant just sit and say well we know he wont hit 200 IP but thats because we count on him getting hurt, baseball doesnt work like that.

You can't count on him getting hurt, but you can't count on him not getting hurt either. You shouldn't devalue a player because he hasn't pitched an arbitrary number of innings. He has a pretty fresh arm, he's logged enough innings as a starter, and he's very good at it. He's a valuable piece, simple as that.

[Kipnis22]

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You can't count on him getting hurt, but you can't count on him not getting hurt either. You shouldn't devalue a player because he hasn't pitched an arbitrary number of innings. He has a pretty fresh arm, he's logged enough innings as a starter, and he's very good at it. He's a valuable piece, simple as that.

He's not logged enough innings as a starter and he's not a valuable piece at the price of Salazar, Bauer, Frazier or Lindor. Simple as that.

[ryan36]

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Guys, let's get off the "first amendment" stuff. Sheesh, this is supposed to be the least volatile thread in any forum.

[JBearsL]

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What do you guys think is a realistic trade for the Cubs to acquire Nathan Eovaldi from the Marlins? Would the Marlins be open to moving him? Can't remember what his value was last year on the spreadsheet.

[AC]

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Guys, let's get off the "first amendment" stuff. Sheesh, this is supposed to be the least volatile thread in any forum.

It can get kinda ugly at times, haha. I just don't want anyone being insulted or a mod thinking this thread is all about insulting others' ideas, which is what it's turned into for a few pages.

What do you guys think is a realistic trade for the Cubs to acquire Nathan Eovaldi from the Marlins? Would the Marlins be open to moving him? Can't remember what his value was last year on the spreadsheet.

Yeah, I think they would be. Just a solid prospect should do it. Nothing too much. Vizcaino, Vogelbach, Johnson or Candelairo should work.

He's not logged enough innings as a starter and he's not a valuable piece at the price of Salazar, Bauer, Frazier or Lindor. Simple as that.

I think I know what the issue is here. Can you give me a brief list of players you would trade Frazier or Bauer for?

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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What do you guys think is a realistic trade for the Cubs to acquire Nathan Eovaldi from the Marlins? Would the Marlins be open to moving him? Can't remember what his value was last year on the spreadsheet.

I like ACMilan`s suggestion, Jeimer Candelairo. Makes sense.

[Kipnis22]

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but since i dont think it was really answered, what could i get seperate or in a package for

MLB Players:
Bourn, ACab, Masterson, Raburn, McAllister

Prospects:
Anderson, NaQuin, Ramirez, Aguliar, Paulino

Looking for one of MLB OF:
Stanton (i know unlikley)
Nelson Cruz
Trumbo
Braun
Cespedes
Werth
Bautista
Bruce
Myers
one of J Upton or Heyward to make it an even 10

or OF Prospects:
Gregory Polanco
George Springer
Joc Pederson
Jorge Soler
Jake Marisnick
David Dahl

and one of MLB SP:
Fernandez (again i know unlikley)
Wacha
Eovaldi
Gio Gonzalez
Lance Lynn
Jordan Zimmerman

or one of MLB Specs:
Archie Bradley
Noah Syndergaard
Henry Owens
Zach Lee
Max Fried
Andrew Heaney