MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[PhilliesFan13]

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It really is a good thing this thread is around. I was messing around in my Rays franchise with trade proposals just to see what would be accepted and what wouldn't. Spreadsheet is obviously correct in that Wil Myers is a franchise cornerstone and would not be traded. However, in the game, you can pretty much trade for Wil Myers with ANYONE I tested it with a 2B with a 48 potential in the Phillies organization and it would have been accepted. Just horrible. It definitely shows how flawed the trade logic is.

[kmoser]

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It really is a good thing this thread is around. I was messing around in my Rays franchise with trade proposals just to see what would be accepted and what wouldn't. Spreadsheet is obviously correct in that Wil Myers is a franchise cornerstone and would not be traded. However, in the game, you can pretty much trade for Wil Myers with ANYONE I tested it with a 2B with a 48 potential in the Phillies organization and it would have been accepted. Just horrible. It definitely shows how flawed the trade logic is.

I don't know man, that seems pretty fair to me. Kidding

[KnickNation17]

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Original poster. Once it's passed, it's legal, but unrealistic imo. Who wants to go to an org that trades it's most valued assets a year after they get them?

Very true I cant disagree with that.You certainly don't see many teams trade their most valuable assets like this however for multiple reasons I probably wont be able to see many of these guys develop. I dont play baseball games year round (although I play them 24/7 during the summer) and I'm also playing 3 other franchise besides this. It takes me a while just to get through one season therefore I know guys who are projected to hit the Majors in 2017 are people I probably wont be able to play with hence why I go with after guys with a earlier ETA. Obviously this is different from alot of you guys but that's why I said I'm looking for something semi realistic in terms of wether or not the guys may actually be traded but not maybe not the most realistic in terms of the other factors connected to the trade. I'm more looking for something fair.

[hampshirestags]

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Your right about the multiple voices thing & I hear what you mean regarding the structure of trades..that makes sense. However what exactly are teams like the Marlins and Rockies looking for with those type of guys? All high level prospects or a mix of prospects and ML talent? I would think you would want to get something thats borderline proven because of the fact that prospects are mysteries.

I purposely left Zach out because I wanted to keep him. However I would give him up in a deal for Stanton. I was hoping I could work something out for Tulo without giving up Wheeler. Idk if thats possible but I thought that amount of prospects I might be able to get it done. I'm really skeptical on Tulo in game because he has a 154million left on his deal at this point & is 29 and knowing the wacky way in which player's progress and decrease in this game I wonder how much time he has before he's decreasing.

Rays and Rockies want to compete. If they give a star, they want players in return that can help next year and players that might be stars is 2-3 years (W. Myers/J. Shields comes to mind). I'd like to comment on what the Marlins want other than to make a buck, but nothing comes to mind (sarcasm).

Look at what the A's gave for Shark. How the Padres did for Street. Start multiplying because the guys were talking about are in a totally different 'franchise saving' range. Even Tulo with his contract/age/injuries. The guy has an OBP over .430 this year. What happens when you put him in front of Wright/Duda/Davis? Their numbers bump just because he is there.

I think you said it best yourself...put Zach in some big deals and see how you feel. If it doesn't hurt your franchise, you probably didn't give enough.

[KnickNation17]

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Rays and Rockies want to compete. If they give a star, they want players in return that can help next year and players that might be stars is 2-3 years (W. Myers/J. Shields comes to mind). I'd like to comment on what the Marlins want other than to make a buck, but nothing comes to mind (sarcasm).

Look at what the A's gave for Shark. How the Padres did for Street. Start multiplying because the guys were talking about are in a totally different 'franchise saving' range. Even Tulo with his contract/age/injuries. The guy has an OBP over .430 this year. What happens when you put him in front of Wright/Duda/Davis? Their numbers bump just because he is there.

I think you said it best yourself...put Zach in some big deals and see how you feel. If it doesn't hurt your franchise, you probably didn't give enough.

I mean I agree with all of that. However, I feel like if your the Marlins or Rockies and you trade your best player are you really expecting to contend next year? Wouldnt it be closer to 2-4 year rebuilding project? In which case getting a prospect that still has another year or 2 to develop be beneficial in the grand scheme ? Personally I think one of the reasons the Rockies dont want to trade Tulo is because it would be a reality check and make them realize that they are actually going through a rebuild. I feel like the best way to do that is to get young guys who you can develop in your system.

But if they truly do want to contend next year I still think I can give up guys like Davis, Murphy, Parnell, and Niese along with with a couple good young prospects and that could still satisfy them in both building for the future and at least staying just as competitive as they are now with Tulo or Stanton. Giving up any of those guys or Synder or my RF Gunn would all hurt my chise imo because they're all either starters or close enough to making an impact.

[Phennixx]

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Final M's Trade help request:

I want to be fair most of all and some what realistic in my trade for Matt Kemp. My reasoning for trade is that I'm 52-51 and 3.5 games back in AL Wild Card. The M's are having a terrible year at the plate and the Pitching is playing lights out (lol just like real life)

*My Rosters are current with all trades etc...so Barney is now on LAD

Seattle may not be able to play him at Center Field right now but he would add a Right Handed bat to my struggling line-up of most Lefties. The "Star Power" that Seattle needs is also why I want to make this trade as I hope they do in real life as well , I miss the days of Edgar (DH),Griffey,Buhner etc...so my desire is to bring Matt Kemp to finish the year at DH for me and moving Morales to 1B then next year see how he plays at Center injury wise.

Appreciate the feedback in advance

Why Dodgers should trade him:

I think he (Matt Kemp) needs a new change of scenery and the Dodgers log-jam in outfield needs to open up as Kemp is batting (.242 /.314/.461) 10 HR 29 RBI's

Dodgers Left Outfielders:
Joc Pederson LF 74 (B+) - AAA (.295/.344/.490) 13 HR 57 RBI's
Scott Van Slyke LF 74 (C) - MLB *67 AB (.387/.457.613) 2 HR 11 RBI's


My dilemma/ Trade Packages: open to any combination of the following players


Option #1 -


James Paxton SP 79 (B+) - AAA 4-2 4.86 ERA 58.0 IP 59 SO 9.16 K/9
Nick Franklin 2B/SS 73 (B-) - AAA (.277/.372/.429) 10 HR 43 RBI's

I feel like this is giving up too much but also think it may be whats need to get a deal done.


Option #2 -

Danny Hultzen SP 75 (B) - AAA 3-0 1.69 ERA 26.2 IP 35 SO 11.81 K/9
Chris Taylor SS 73 (B) - AAA (.286/.363/.365) 3 HR 31 RBI's
Patrick Kivlehan 3B (B) - AA (.328/.407/.513) 4 HR 24 RBI's

This is where I'm leaning as it give up a former #1 draft pick who's been injured and my need a change as well and Taylor who is playing well and could help at SS move Hanley Ramirez to 3B next season, and Kivlehan is a good developmental prospect for the Dodgers.

Option #3 -

Erasmo Ramirez SP 79 (B-) - AAA 5-5 3.04 ETA 77 IP 65 SO
DJ Peterson 3B 70 (A) - AAA *45 AB (.289/.407/.400) 1 HR 8 RBI's
Gabriel Guerrero RF 65 (B+) -AA (.286/.316/.514) 12HR 49 RBI's

This is giving up two of my best position prospects but an option; I'm not sure I would want to make this move to be honest.

Sorry for beating a dead horse just really dont want to cheat the CPU, thanks again.

[hampshirestags]

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I mean I agree with all of that. However, I feel like if your the Marlins or Rockies and you trade your best player are you really expecting to contend next year? Wouldnt it be closer to 2-4 year rebuilding project? In which case getting a prospect that still has another year or 2 to develop be beneficial in the grand scheme ? Personally I think one of the reasons the Rockies dont want to trade Tulo is because it would be a reality check and make them realize that they are actually going through a rebuild. I feel like the best way to do that is to get young guys who you can develop in your system.

But if they truly do want to contend next year I still think I can give up guys like Davis, Murphy, Parnell, and Niese along with with a couple good young prospects and that could still satisfy them in both building for the future and at least staying just as competitive as they are now with Tulo or Stanton. Giving up any of those guys or Synder or my RF Gunn would all hurt my chise imo because they're all either starters or close enough to making an impact.

This is just one extra special asst. Gm opinion but...you're darn right its gonna hurt. I'm giving you my stud, that value is meant to compensate for that hurt. Prospects bust every day of the week and twice on Sunday, I want multiple impact guys or you don't get my stud. I don't want the regulars you don't want, I have several of those or can get those cheap elsewhere. I want what you don't want to give.

That being said, it's a video game at the end of the day. Pick the guy you want to play with the most, give a package as if you are going to play with that other team next year and go mash some buttons.

[hampshirestags]

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Final M's Trade help request:

I want to be fair most of all and some what realistic in my trade for Matt Kemp. My reasoning for trade is that I'm 52-51 and 3.5 games back in AL Wild Card. The M's are having a terrible year at the plate and the Pitching is playing lights out (lol just like real life)

*My Rosters are current with all trades etc...so Barney is now on LAD

Seattle may not be able to play him at Center Field right now but he would add a Right Handed bat to my struggling line-up of most Lefties. The "Star Power" that Seattle needs is also why I want to make this trade as I hope they do in real life as well , I miss the days of Edgar (DH),Griffey,Buhner etc...so my desire is to bring Matt Kemp to finish the year at DH for me and moving Morales to 1B then next year see how he plays at Center injury wise.

Appreciate the feedback in advance

Why Dodgers should trade him:

I think he (Matt Kemp) needs a new change of scenery and the Dodgers log-jam in outfield needs to open up as Kemp is batting (.242 /.314/.461) 10 HR 29 RBI's

Dodgers Left Outfielders:
Joc Pederson LF 74 (B+) - AAA (.295/.344/.490) 13 HR 57 RBI's
Scott Van Slyke LF 74 (C) - MLB *67 AB (.387/.457.613) 2 HR 11 RBI's


My dilemma/ Trade Packages: open to any combination of the following players


Option #1 -


James Paxton SP 79 (B+) - AAA 4-2 4.86 ERA 58.0 IP 59 SO 9.16 K/9
Nick Franklin 2B/SS 73 (B-) - AAA (.277/.372/.429) 10 HR 43 RBI's

I feel like this is giving up too much but also think it may be whats need to get a deal done.


Option #2 -

Danny Hultzen SP 75 (B) - AAA 3-0 1.69 ERA 26.2 IP 35 SO 11.81 K/9
Chris Taylor SS 73 (B) - AAA (.286/.363/.365) 3 HR 31 RBI's
Patrick Kivlehan 3B (B) - AA (.328/.407/.513) 4 HR 24 RBI's

This is where I'm leaning as it give up a former #1 draft pick who's been injured and my need a change as well and Taylor who is playing well and could help at SS move Hanley Ramirez to 3B next season, and Kivlehan is a good developmental prospect for the Dodgers.

Option #3 -

Erasmo Ramirez SP 79 (B-) - AAA 5-5 3.04 ETA 77 IP 65 SO
DJ Peterson 3B 70 (A) - AAA *45 AB (.289/.407/.400) 1 HR 8 RBI's
Gabriel Guerrero RF 65 (B+) -AA (.286/.316/.514) 12HR 49 RBI's

This is giving up two of my best position prospects but an option; I'm not sure I would want to make this move to be honest.

Sorry for beating a dead horse just really dont want to cheat the CPU, thanks again.

If you're taking Kemp contract (along with Cano/King Felix...yeesh), then I like option 1.

As stated earlier though, I like Paxton alot. Duece should be around shortly and is quickly becoming my M's goto guy.

[KnickNation17]

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This is just one extra special asst. Gm opinion but...you're darn right its gonna hurt. I'm giving you my stud, that value is meant to compensate for that hurt. Prospects bust every day of the week and twice on Sunday, I want multiple impact guys or you don't get my stud. I don't want the regulars you don't want, I have several of those or can get those cheap elsewhere. I want what you don't want to give.

That being said, it's a video game at the end of the day. Pick the guy you want to play with the most, give a package as if you are going to play with that other team next year and go mash some buttons.

"I want what you don't want to give." Wonderful Quote.

I'll stay away from Stanton because the Marlins are in the same division and the speculation has cooled on him. So let's say for Tulo

Rockies get:
SS Poirier( Low A )
Synder
RF Gunn (High A)
Nimmo
Plawecki

Mets get:
Tulo

& for Cargo

Rockies get:
Synder
Nimmo
Plawecki & maybe on of those Mid B draft guys I had.

Mets get:
Cargo

Obviously I would choose one or the other. Just want to get a general feel. kmoser you can give your input as well since you where kinda giving me a feel as to what it would take to get these guys.

I also want to take this time to thank all of you who've been responding and going back and forth with me. It's good to know we can have conversations in this thread where its truly helpful feedback and not arguing.

[kmoser]

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"I want what you don't want to give." Wonderful Quote.

I'll stay away from Stanton because the Marlins are in the same division and the speculation has cooled on him. So let's say for Tulo

Rockies get:
SS Poirier( Low A )
Synder
RF Gunn (High A)
Nimmo
Plawecki

Mets get:
Tulo

& for Cargo

Rockies get:
Synder
Nimmo
Plawecki & maybe on of those Mid B draft guys I had.

Mets get:
Cargo

Obviously I would choose one or the other. Just want to get a general feel. kmoser you can give your input as well since you where kinda giving me a feel as to what it would take to get these guys.

I also want to take this time to thank all of you who've been responding and going back and forth with me. It's good to know we can have conversations in this thread where its truly helpful feedback and not arguing.

IMO I think the trades are fair. You are giving up a lot for Tulo, but that's what you have to do, kinda like @Hampshirestags was saying.

[KnickNation17]

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IMO I think the trades are fair. You are giving up a lot for Tulo, but that's what you have to do, kinda like @Hampshirestags was saying.

I agree it's alot for Tulo but yeah to get a franchise cornerstone your gonna have to overpay. I feel like that's more a Stanton type package however it's possible they wouldn't accept any deal without Wheeler involved & I'm trying to avoid that.

[AC]

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I'd go with the CarGo one. I like that a good bit if he's underperforming. Very fair.

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[kmoser]

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I agree it's alot for Tulo but yeah to get a franchise cornerstone your gonna have to overpay. I feel like that's more a Stanton type package however it's possible they wouldn't accept any deal without Wheeler involved & I'm trying to avoid that.

I could see the Marlins demanding Wheeler if they are trading Stanton. I agree, I would want to keep Wheeler if I were you.

[KnickNation17]

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I could see the Marlins demanding Wheeler if they are trading Stanton. I agree, I would want to keep Wheeler if I were you.

I'd go with the CarGo one. I like that a good bit if he's underperforming. Very fair.

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AC you actually gave me that trade a couple of days ago..

& I do want to keep Wheeler. Im torn on which trade I value more tbh. Cargo I give up less but I'm also content with an outfield of Brown, Bradley, and Gunn eventually when he comes up. Not to mention who might pop up in free agency. But getting a top SS like Tulo would be amazing because I dont think there are many other SS's out there that can produce the way he can. Luckily I'm in May so I have some time to think but still idk which way to lean.

[Deuce2223]

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Final M's Trade help request:

I want to be fair most of all and some what realistic in my trade for Matt Kemp. My reasoning for trade is that I'm 52-51 and 3.5 games back in AL Wild Card. The M's are having a terrible year at the plate and the Pitching is playing lights out (lol just like real life)

*My Rosters are current with all trades etc...so Barney is now on LAD

Seattle may not be able to play him at Center Field right now but he would add a Right Handed bat to my struggling line-up of most Lefties. The "Star Power" that Seattle needs is also why I want to make this trade as I hope they do in real life as well , I miss the days of Edgar (DH),Griffey,Buhner etc...so my desire is to bring Matt Kemp to finish the year at DH for me and moving Morales to 1B then next year see how he plays at Center injury wise.

Appreciate the feedback in advance

Why Dodgers should trade him:

I think he (Matt Kemp) needs a new change of scenery and the Dodgers log-jam in outfield needs to open up as Kemp is batting (.242 /.314/.461) 10 HR 29 RBI's

Dodgers Left Outfielders:
Joc Pederson LF 74 (B+) - AAA (.295/.344/.490) 13 HR 57 RBI's
Scott Van Slyke LF 74 (C) - MLB *67 AB (.387/.457.613) 2 HR 11 RBI's


My dilemma/ Trade Packages: open to any combination of the following players


Option #1 -


James Paxton SP 79 (B+) - AAA 4-2 4.86 ERA 58.0 IP 59 SO 9.16 K/9
Nick Franklin 2B/SS 73 (B-) - AAA (.277/.372/.429) 10 HR 43 RBI's

I feel like this is giving up too much but also think it may be whats need to get a deal done.


Option #2 -

Danny Hultzen SP 75 (B) - AAA 3-0 1.69 ERA 26.2 IP 35 SO 11.81 K/9
Chris Taylor SS 73 (B) - AAA (.286/.363/.365) 3 HR 31 RBI's
Patrick Kivlehan 3B (B) - AA (.328/.407/.513) 4 HR 24 RBI's

This is where I'm leaning as it give up a former #1 draft pick who's been injured and my need a change as well and Taylor who is playing well and could help at SS move Hanley Ramirez to 3B next season, and Kivlehan is a good developmental prospect for the Dodgers.

Option #3 -

Erasmo Ramirez SP 79 (B-) - AAA 5-5 3.04 ETA 77 IP 65 SO
DJ Peterson 3B 70 (A) - AAA *45 AB (.289/.407/.400) 1 HR 8 RBI's
Gabriel Guerrero RF 65 (B+) -AA (.286/.316/.514) 12HR 49 RBI's

This is giving up two of my best position prospects but an option; I'm not sure I would want to make this move to be honest.

Sorry for beating a dead horse just really dont want to cheat the CPU, thanks again.

Personally I feel like you could do #1 or #2 however in my opinion both are overpays. Deal #3 never!!!! Peterson is as close to the mythical untouchable as they come. No way the M's give him up for anything less then a Stanton/Cargo/type OF. Kemp was that 3 years go (2011) but he isn't that player anymore.

He is hitting 240 with 10 HR's, not really the type of player that a franchise would give up their #5 (Taylor), #9 (Kivlehan), and #14 (Hultzen) prospects for especially when you add in the contract they are currently paying him.

I personally wouldn't give up Hultzen or Paxton, but instead look at the next level of SP's in the farm system

What do the Dodgers need in your Franchise. Are they in the hunt and needing MLB arms (E. Ramirez, R. Elias, B. Beavan, B. Maurer) or are they looking to stockpile the farm (Pike, Sanchez,Diaz), do they need a MLB 3B/SS (Depending on where you move Hanley) then yes you could use Franklin or Taylor as the headliner of the deal. or could they use some bullpen arms? (C. Smith, D. Farquhar, Y. Medina) Also what about Catcher (Maybe Marlette)


Depending on their needs, I would think Taylor/Franklin + a need area would be enough, given his current #'s and contract.