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  • AC
    Win the East
    • Sep 2010
    • 14951

    #5956
    Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by kmoser
    The spreadsheet says Allen Craig is unrealistic because he is a cornerstone lol. The cardinals don't see him that way.
    LOL the spreadsheet really needs some updating. I haven't gotten anything yet so oh well.
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    • hampshirestags
      Pro
      • May 2014
      • 500

      #5957
      Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by KnickNation17
      I'm seriously curious to see how these trades are gonna be justified within this thread because I know if anyone purposed Lackey for Craig and Kelly it would have been deemed unfair or unrealistic
      There is still a Boston prospect involved. Wacca injury made rotation upgrades more important. There is no logic to compare Lackey contract option for next year. Craig poor performance lessened his value (along with progression of minor players). Great example of bidding competition.

      Not being short, just several examples of why all of this is subjective.
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      • k_mac
        MVP
        • Mar 2011
        • 2059

        #5958
        Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by KnickNation17
        I'm seriously curious to see how these trades are gonna be justified within this thread because I know if anyone purposed Lackey for Craig and Kelly it would have been deemed unfair or unrealistic
        I agree with AC, both deals were fair. If someone came in and proposed this deal a month ago, and it was under the same circumstances, I don't think anyone would have freaked out. Craig and Kelly are nowhere near untouchable (especially with Craig's regression), so it is definitely realistic that those guys could move. It was going to happen eventually, because the Cards are so stacked.

        None of us claim to be baseball insiders, or general managers. What one person says isn't gospel. That's why we have discussions, and we use what we know + what's happened in the past. That's how all trades are justified/shot down in here.

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        • CameRoN0407
          It's a New England Thing
          • Oct 2012
          • 3328

          #5959
          Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by hampshirestags
          There is still a Boston prospect involved. Wacca injury made rotation upgrades more important. There is no logic to compare Lackey contract option for next year. Craig poor performance lessened his value (along with progression of minor players). Great example of bidding competition.

          Not being short, just several examples of why all of this is subjective.
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          • KnickNation17
            Rookie
            • Feb 2012
            • 263

            #5960
            Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by AC
            Craig and Kelly for Lackey is absolutely fair and realistic, as was Lester/Cespedes, considering the stats and controllability of all players involved.
            But if you were to take out the stats and do it based on values it's not something we would expect to happen. Right?

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            • AC
              Win the East
              • Sep 2010
              • 14951

              #5961
              Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by KnickNation17
              But if you were to take out the stats and do it based on values it's not something we would expect to happen. Right?
              Maybe, but the values are more than likely incorrect.
              "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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              • KnickNation17
                Rookie
                • Feb 2012
                • 263

                #5962
                Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by k_mac
                I agree with AC, both deals were fair. If someone came in and proposed this deal a month ago, and it was under the same circumstances, I don't think anyone would have freaked out. Craig and Kelly are nowhere near untouchable (especially with Craig's regression), so it is definitely realistic that those guys could move. It was going to happen eventually, because the Cards are so stacked.

                None of us claim to be baseball insiders, or general managers. What one person says isn't gospel. That's why we have discussions, and we use what we know + what's happened in the past. That's how all trades are justified/shot down in here.

                I hear you. Don't think I was trying to criticize. I was honestly curious. What you're saying makes sense.

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                • KnickNation17
                  Rookie
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 263

                  #5963
                  Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by AC
                  Maybe, but the values are more than likely incorrect.
                  You guys are in the process of making a new one right ?

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                  • AC
                    Win the East
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 14951

                    #5964
                    Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by KnickNation17
                    You guys are in the process of making a new one right ?
                    I haven't heard a thing about it.
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                    • Deuce2223
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 12571

                      #5965
                      Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                      Good job Jack.. In the past week you have added Morales .234/.259/.325 in 162 plate appearances with 1 HR and Denforia hitting .242/.293/.319 with 1 HR 16 RBI in 242 AB's.

                      I agree that they both hit right handed, but come on is this the best you can get.

                      If the M's give you a contract next year, I might have to officially become a A's fan.

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                      • ESexton18
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 203

                        #5966
                        Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                        I love that trade for the A's and Red Sox. Lester puts the rotation in a position to get the A's the title this year which is their window. They can't resign these guys they have to big money extentsions and Cespedes would leave after next year anyway. Good for Billy to go for it while he has a shot.

                        Boston gets the power hitting outfielder they needed badly and it was a pretty fair trade for both sides. Exciting times.
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                        • WaitTilNextYear
                          Go Cubs Go
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 16830

                          #5967
                          Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by KnickNation17
                          I'm seriously curious to see how these trades are gonna be justified within this thread because I know if anyone purposed Lackey for Craig and Kelly it would have been deemed unfair or unrealistic
                          These trades don't have to be justified in this thread, lol, that's what the Pro Baseball Trade Deadline Thread is for. We deal in imaginary deals that make sense on paper.

                          Originally posted by kmoser
                          The spreadsheet says Allen Craig is unrealistic because he is a cornerstone lol. The cardinals don't see him that way.
                          The spreadsheet hasn't been updated since preseason and when Craig was a perennial .300 hitter who helped lead his team to a World Series berth last season, so, yeah, not seeing how that's bad of the spreadsheet. Maybe poor Totte can add a column for accurate futuristic predictions. Or clairvoyance.

                          Originally posted by k_mac
                          I agree with AC, both deals were fair. If someone came in and proposed this deal a month ago, and it was under the same circumstances, I don't think anyone would have freaked out. Craig and Kelly are nowhere near untouchable (especially with Craig's regression), so it is definitely realistic that those guys could move. It was going to happen eventually, because the Cards are so stacked.

                          None of us claim to be baseball insiders, or general managers. What one person says isn't gospel. That's why we have discussions, and we use what we know + what's happened in the past. That's how all trades are justified/shot down in here.
                          Yes, I agree. With Lackey from a couple of years ago, it wouldn't have gone down as smoothly though.

                          I am just lol'ing a bit reading through some of these posts poking fun at the spreadsheet and this thread....and failing to mention all the trades it's been right on from a value-standpoint. Given that we're 6000+ posts in, I am thinking that maybe we don't just pack up, burn the spreadsheet and leave at this point just because Cherington's new flavor is getting MLB-players instead of prospects in return for MLB players.
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                          • WaitTilNextYear
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                            • Mar 2013
                            • 16830

                            #5968
                            Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by Deuce2223
                            Good job Jack.. In the past week you have added Morales .234/.259/.325 in 162 plate appearances with 1 HR and Denforia hitting .242/.293/.319 with 1 HR 16 RBI in 242 AB's.

                            I agree that they both hit right handed, but come on is this the best you can get.

                            If the M's give you a contract next year, I might have to officially become a A's fan.
                            You'd better get on the Cubs bandwagon now before it starts getting real crowded again.
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                            • AC
                              Win the East
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 14951

                              #5969
                              Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                              I am just lol'ing a bit reading through some of these posts poking fun at the spreadsheet and this thread....and failing to mention all the trades it's been right on from a value-standpoint. Given that we're 6000+ posts in, I am thinking that maybe we don't just pack up, burn the spreadsheet and leave at this point just because Cherington's new flavor is getting MLB-players instead of prospects in return for MLB players.
                              The values could use some updating. Maybe it's just been a weird season. Lots of breakouts and retrogression.

                              Although I'm entirely unsurprised that I disagree, seeing as that I had no hand in making it, lol.
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                              • bobbyb9827
                                Rookie
                                • Jun 2011
                                • 96

                                #5970
                                Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                                In season two of a Yankees franchise looking to move Nova, JR Murphy and Corban Joseph for an outfielder so I can move Beltran to the DH permanently.
                                Any options you can suggest?
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