MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

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Just a curious and probably too far off-topic question, but, would having one player a 95 POT and one a 99 POT make much difference in how they turn out, assuming both reach their ceilings?

Either way, sounds like a superstar player?

Law of diminishing returns I think. So there's a bigger difference between an 83 and an 88 than a 93 and a 98.

[TDavis45]

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Well... I'm off to a terrible start in my franchise... 3 weeks in (Royals) and I have lost Alcides for the year with a torn MCL and Omar Infante is out for 1-2 months with a broken shin. Obviously I need to trade for a middle infielder as Giavotella as my only back up is just not going to cut it. Any advice on someone I could trade for? I wouldn't mind trading Ciriaco, Valencia, Maxwell or a reliever.

What would it take to get Darwin Barney from the Cubs?

[AC]

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Not much of anything. Who are you gonna stick at SS though? Christian Colon?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Just a curious and probably too far off-topic question, but, would having one player a 95 POT and one a 99 POT make much difference in how they turn out, assuming both reach their ceilings?

Either way, sounds like a superstar player?

In my mind it makes a pretty large difference. If you get a 'struggle city' email for a 99 POT, he's still comfortably mid/high A and on track to develop into a superstar. With a 95 POT, that same email bumps a guy from superstar to mere solid perennial all star with 92 POT. It does make a difference. Would you prefer Mike Trout or Pacman Jones?

Well... I'm off to a terrible start in my franchise... 3 weeks in (Royals) and I have lost Alcides for the year with a torn MCL and Omar Infante is out for 1-2 months with a broken shin. Obviously I need to trade for a middle infielder as Giavotella as my only back up is just not going to cut it. Any advice on someone I could trade for? I wouldn't mind trading Ciriaco, Valencia, Maxwell or a reliever.

What would it take to get Darwin Barney from the Cubs?

Well, if you can snag Jonathan Martinez from LA...

[Side Effect]

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Well... I'm off to a terrible start in my franchise... 3 weeks in (Royals) and I have lost Alcides for the year with a torn MCL and Omar Infante is out for 1-2 months with a broken shin. Obviously I need to trade for a middle infielder as Giavotella as my only back up is just not going to cut it. Any advice on someone I could trade for? I wouldn't mind trading Ciriaco, Valencia, Maxwell or a reliever.

What would it take to get Darwin Barney from the Cubs?

The Royals were interested in Emilio Bonifacio at the trade deadline. Shouldn't take much to get Barney I'd imagine since LA got him for a PTBNL. Other options could be Rickie Weeks, Luis Valbuena, Aaron Hill, Dan Uggla.

[KBLover]

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In my mind it makes a pretty large difference. If you get a 'struggle city' email for a 99 POT, he's still comfortably mid/high A and on track to develop into a superstar. With a 95 POT, that same email bumps a guy from superstar to mere solid perennial all star with 92 POT. It does make a difference. Would you prefer Mike Trout or Pacman Jones?

Well, considering either would be a big improvement over Marcel Ozuna...

Just looking that them in my roster (OSFM v2)

Adam Jones: 89 OVR
82/73
77/60
87 or higher on defensive ratings
71 SPD

Mike Trout: 99 OVR
97/77
72/69
93 Reaction, 89 Fielding but lesser arm (70s)
91 SPD/91 Stealing

So, sure, Trout's definitely better...but I'd take either, practically speaking - and this is with a 10 point difference. Jones at a 95 would be even closer (given his skill profile, probably reaching a similar contact rating or a touch more power than Trout), and I think either does a ton to help a team win games. Basically, if your team's problem is that Jones isn't as good as Trout...you got a godly team LOL

Especially when my CF has:

60/67
47/43
61 Reaction
62 Speed


So yeah...which would I rather have? Either.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Well, considering either would be a big improvement over Marcel Ozuna...

Just looking that them in my roster (OSFM v2)

Adam Jones: 89 OVR
82/73
77/60
87 or higher on defensive ratings
71 SPD

Mike Trout: 99 OVR
97/77
72/69
93 Reaction, 89 Fielding but lesser arm (70s)
91 SPD/91 Stealing

So, sure, Trout's definitely better...but I'd take either, practically speaking - and this is with a 10 point difference. Jones at a 95 would be even closer (given his skill profile, probably reaching a similar contact rating or a touch more power than Trout), and I think either does a ton to help a team win games. Basically, if your team's problem is that Jones isn't as good as Trout...you got a godly team LOL

Especially when my CF has:

60/67
47/43
61 Reaction
62 Speed


So yeah...which would I rather have? Either.

Yeah, but to be fair, your original question wasn't "how much of an upgrade difference over Marcell Ozuna would one 90s POT be vs another one?" You were asking about 99 POT vs 95 POT and it's a slam dunk choice to take the guy on his way to the HoF over a guy who won't make it to the 2nd ballot. That's the difference I see between 99 POT and mid/low 90s POT.

Jones with a similar contact rating and a touch more power than Trout? lol

[moth to a flame]

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Mike Trout's power should be at the least mid-80s, imo.

I agree with AC's view on the law of diminishing returns. Its a matter of perspective. 99 vs 94 doesn't look as bad to the eye as 79 vs 74, yet they both are only separated by 5 points.

[CameRoN0407]

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99= HOF stuff
95= border HOF stuff
90= All-star stuff
85= well above average
80= Above average
75= average/ position filler
70= Replacement
65= never makes it past AAA

That's how I see the potential system.

[KBLover]

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Yeah, but to be fair, your original question wasn't "how much of an upgrade difference over Marcell Ozuna would one 90s POT be vs another one?" You were asking about 99 POT vs 95 POT and it's a slam dunk choice to take the guy on his way to the HoF over a guy who won't make it to the 2nd ballot. That's the difference I see between 99 POT and mid/low 90s POT.

But you don't necessarily need HoF players to build a good, strong team.

So, yeah, if I was "forced" to take a 95 OVR CF instead of a 99 OVR CF - I'd take that. So my answer would still stand. Which would I rather take? Either. I'd imagine a 95 OVR CF and a 99 OVR CF are going to have very, very similar ratings.

Both are likely high WAR/wOBA players - neither would be the problem on a ball club and would be great pieces to build around.

In MLB:TS, both would likely have HoF type numbers.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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But you don't necessarily need HoF players to build a good, strong team.

So, yeah, if I was "forced" to take a 95 OVR CF instead of a 99 OVR CF - I'd take that. So my answer would still stand. Which would I rather take? Either. I'd imagine a 95 OVR CF and a 99 OVR CF are going to have very, very similar ratings.

Both are likely high WAR/wOBA players - neither would be the problem on a ball club and would be great pieces to build around.

In MLB:TS, both would likely have HoF type numbers.

It's not about a team. We're talking about taking one player vs another...not sure why you are adding side arguments about building teams and Marcell Ozuna. Not sure why you are arguing (or seeming to anyway) that 99 = 95. Your argument doesn't make much sense. In a vacuum, with all other things equal, you take the player with the higher POT. No debate needed. There's no tradeoff being presented as to why you would not do this, although if you add in other factors such as salary, age, and leftover payroll to add additional talent, then you may be onto something where a 95 could give you as much overall value as a 99. But, in our hypothetical, vanilla case here, I struggle to see the point. Even if both of our fake players end up in the show HOF, I want the inner circle guy on my team.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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99= HOF stuff
95= border HOF stuff
90= All-star stuff
85= well above average
80= Above average
75= average/ position filler
70= Replacement
65= never makes it past AAA

That's how I see the potential system.

Pretty accurate. Although, imo it really depends on your roster set as well. In the Hybrid (which I use), which tends to have lower OVRs league-wide, a player who reaches his 65 POT can have a pretty useful MLB career. Granted, in the SCEA stock roster, this same guy will never see the light of day. In the Hybrid set, I put the replacement level, just rapping with you here, maybe 8 OVR points lower.

[AC]

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I set replacement level at 60 OVR.

[ESexton18]

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Anyone see the Cubs as a match for Hamels in an offseason deal? I hadn't really thought about it before. I suppose they'd look into it.

Who would they offer in a return?

[Totte]

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Anyone see the Cubs as a match for Hamels in an offseason deal? I hadn't really thought about it before. I suppose they'd look into it.



Who would they offer in a return?

Starlin Castro to help you balance some of the finances? I think Castro makes around 5 million per year in the game. Good replacement for Rollins