MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Deuce2223]

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I think it's pretty safe to say you can replace Baez with the #1 prospect from your favorite/followed team and you would probably have the same response to those wanting your said prospect. I know I feel that way about Walker and Peterson and I am sure AC feels that way about Sanchez and Norris and Boston fans think it's pretty unrealistic to trade for Owens or Swihart.. No way Twins fans would ever let you have Sano and Buxton.

However the truth is guys like Walker/Peterson, Sanchez/Norris, Owens/Swihart are much more realistic options because they are on winning teams and winning teams want to do just that, keep on winning. Teams like the Cubs and Twins, are not going to deal their top prospects because they don't plan to win in 2014 or even 2015 for that matter.

Now if you come in and tell me that you are in 2016 or 2017 in your Franchise and are looking to acquire one Baez, Russell, Castro, then I would say it might be possible if the Cubs are actually winning games and contending and you are offering a legit pieces that would help them win, then I have no problem seeing Baez go to another team, even if I don't think he ever will.

I just started my 2015 season, and the Cubs being controlled by the CPU, has Baez at 2B, Russell at 3B, Bryant in RF, Soler in LF and Alacantara in CF just like they will probably do in real life. Problem is their rotation is still be lead by T. Wood and company so it's very unlikely they will win much this season. So the truth is yes they need help in the rotation and guess what. Next off-season, I will probably look to see them make a run at someone who can fill that role. (Price).

[AC]

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Aaron Sanchez LOL

Deuce, assuming you've missed my posts on the matter, I'd put the chances of Sanchez being a league average SP at <20%.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I think it's pretty safe to say you can replace Baez with the #1 prospect from your favorite/followed team and you would probably have the same response to those wanting your said prospect. I know I feel that way about Walker and Peterson and I am sure AC feels that way about Sanchez and Norris and Boston fans think it's pretty unrealistic to trade for Owens or Swihart.. No way Twins fans would ever let you have Sano and Buxton.

However the truth is guys like Walker/Peterson, Sanchez/Norris, Owens/Swihart are much more realistic options because they are on winning teams and winning teams want to do just that, keep on winning. Teams like the Cubs and Twins, are not going to deal their top prospects because they don't plan to win in 2014 or even 2015 for that matter.

Now if you come in and tell me that you are in 2016 or 2017 in your Franchise and are looking to acquire one Baez, Russell, Castro, then I would say it might be possible if the Cubs are actually winning games and contending and you are offering a legit pieces that would help them win, then I have no problem seeing Baez go to another team, even if I don't think he ever will.

I just started my 2015 season, and the Cubs being controlled by the CPU, has Baez at 2B, Russell at 3B, Bryant in RF, Soler in LF and Alacantara in CF just like they will probably do in real life. Problem is their rotation is still be lead by T. Wood and company so it's very unlikely they will win much this season. So the truth is yes they need help in the rotation and guess what. Next off-season, I will probably look to see them make a run at someone who can fill that role. (Price).

Aaron Sanchez LOL

Deuce, assuming you've missed my posts on the matter, I'd put the chances of Sanchez being a league average SP at <20%.

People have been souring on Aaron Sanchez for real. But, Deuce's point is well made. That taking top prospects off losing teams in exchange for huge contracts/spare parts is pretty much always going to be met with distaste and a non-negligible amount of snark (speaking for myself at least). You can bank on that. But there is a reason this thread is well over 600 pages, and I like to think that being critical (yea even snarky at times) of bad trades is what keeps people coming back and makes them feel the warm fuzzies of a trade well executed.

[NDAlum]

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Castro is a nice option.

But if you're looking for a temp replacement....if Torrealba is still a FA...he's not a bad stop gap.



M.K.

Knight165

I appreciate that but I don't want a 35 year old guy cold off the free agent market to come in. I definitely plan on trading for somebody who I feel could potentially take over of Martin is in fact done for his career. I have seen several career ending injuries in my previous franchises. I don't have anybody under 30 worth a damn right about now.

[Deuce2223]

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I appreciate that but I don't want a 35 year old guy cold off the free agent market to come in. I definitely plan on trading for somebody who I feel could potentially take over of Martin is in fact done for his career. I have seen several career ending injuries in my previous franchises. I don't have anybody under 30 worth a damn right about now.

How is San Diego playing in your Franchise and how is Grandal hitting. I would think he might be a decent trade option as they have Hedges ready to take over.

Another option might be Miami. With Salty, they might be willing to deal either R. Brantly or JT Realmuto, only issue with them is they don't have any big league AB's to know how they might do for you.

There were reports earlier in the year about some teams interested in Castro and the Astros had no desire to trade him, which I don't blame them because he is put up pretty good #'s in real life in 2013.

[Deuce2223]

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Aaron Sanchez LOL

Deuce, assuming you've missed my posts on the matter, I'd put the chances of Sanchez being a league average SP at <20%.

I was probably wrong including Toronto in that discussion because they are actually known for trading their top pitching prospects and I was only putting Sanchez on the list, because at least according to the MLB Top-20 he is still their #2 prospect and ranked #39 in the Top-100, making it unrealistic that they would trade him unless they were to do it for a veteran pitcher like Lee or Hamels who was going to help them win this year..

If I remember right, they were not willing to give him up for Shark, so they must think he has some value.

My point is it's unrealistic to trade for Baez and make him your starting SS in 2014.

Since 1994, I believe their has been less then 20 Rated Top-10 prospects (MLB Overall not their ranking on their team) traded before they made their MLB debut. Making the Russell trade pretty rare. The fact that the only other Top-100 prospect to be dealt this year (Morin #71) proves that most teams are pretty content on holding on to their top talent.

[moth to a flame]

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This is my first MLBTS game, is there waiver trades like in real life?

[KBLover]

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This is my first MLBTS game, is there waiver trades like in real life?

Yep.

Come August 1, you can put people on Trade Waivers. If they pass, you can trade them.

[moth to a flame]

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Yep.

Come August 1, you can put people on Trade Waivers. If they pass, you can trade them.

Thanks, that is really awesome.

[hampshirestags]

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I appreciate that but I don't want a 35 year old guy cold off the free agent market to come in. I definitely plan on trading for somebody who I feel could potentially take over of Martin is in fact done for his career. I have seen several career ending injuries in my previous franchises. I don't have anybody under 30 worth a damn right about now.

I think Heredia+McGuire is good value for Castro (a little high but should be for all the reasons you listed). To me though, Castro is a permanent solution whether or not Martin comes back. Have you though about a younger player that you wouldn't have to give McGuire for? As Duece mentioned SD has depth but also ATL, BAL, PHI all have C depth and wouldn't be as expensive.

Just the other side of the coin, otherwise, have fun with Castro.

[hampshirestags]

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I was probably wrong including Toronto in that discussion because they are actually known for trading their top pitching prospects and I was only putting Sanchez on the list, because at least according to the MLB Top-20 he is still their #2 prospect and ranked #39 in the Top-100, making it unrealistic that they would trade him unless they were to do it for a veteran pitcher like Lee or Hamels who was going to help them win this year..

If I remember right, they were not willing to give him up for Shark, so they must think he has some value.

My point is it's unrealistic to trade for Baez and make him your starting SS in 2014.

Since 1994, I believe their has been less then 20 Rated Top-10 prospects (MLB Overall not their ranking on their team) traded before they made their MLB debut. Making the Russell trade pretty rare. The fact that the only other Top-100 prospect to be dealt this year (Morin #71) proves that most teams are pretty content on holding on to their top talent.

There were quite a few top 100 that changed hands, Mckinney, Rodriguez the SF and LAA deals and few others I'm forgetting. Don't forget top 10 prospects get traded all the time as well, just typically after their service clock starts.

[Deuce2223]

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There were quite a few top 100 that changed hands, Mckinney, Rodriguez the SF and LAA deals and few others I'm forgetting. Don't forget top 10 prospects get traded all the time as well, just typically after their service clock starts.

McKinney might have been in the Top-100 at the time, but he isn't any more at least not on MLB.com

As far as the Top-10 prospects being traded all the time even after their service time starts, that would be again Top-10 on their team but not the Top-10 in all of baseball. If so I would like to know who. Russell is the only one I know of in recent years

The Angels dealt half of their Top-10 away this year, but those guy's where no where close to being in the Top-100, let alone probably the Top-250, as they have the worst farm system in baseball.

[NDAlum]

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How is San Diego playing in your Franchise and how is Grandal hitting. I would think he might be a decent trade option as they have Hedges ready to take over.

Another option might be Miami. With Salty, they might be willing to deal either R. Brantly or JT Realmuto, only issue with them is they don't have any big league AB's to know how they might do for you.

There were reports earlier in the year about some teams interested in Castro and the Astros had no desire to trade him, which I don't blame them because he is put up pretty good #'s in real life in 2013.

Padres: 37-30 (3.5 GB division, 1st in WC race)
Marlins: 31-36 (4.0 GB division, 6.0 GB WC)

Neither team is really in position to just start selling. The NL East is weak so the Marlins still have a shot.

Other possible options: Atlanta (26-41), Philadelphia (28-38), Colorado (28-40), Minnesota (27-39)

I really feels this best fits the philosophy of the Astros as they will get two 19-year old prospects who are projected to be starters. C Reese McGuire is a 64 OVR as a 19 year old with low B potential. He's a left handed bat and his durability is already 76. SP Luis Heredia is a 6-7 240 lb RHP who has five pitches and projects to be a very hard thrower. He's currently a 58 OVR but his POT is mid B.

Plus I don't think the Astros are going to want to sign Castro after the season if they have no plans of winning in the next few years, which it doesn't look like they have a shot.

I think Heredia+McGuire is good value for Castro (a little high but should be for all the reasons you listed). To me though, Castro is a permanent solution whether or not Martin comes back. Have you though about a younger player that you wouldn't have to give McGuire for? As Duece mentioned SD has depth but also ATL, BAL, PHI all have C depth and wouldn't be as expensive.

Just the other side of the coin, otherwise, have fun with Castro.

Other options:

ATL Evan Gattis (27 yrs old B POT 80 OVR - 1 yr @ $860k)
Stats: 47/199 (.236) - 11 HR - 29 RBI - .290 OBP - .447 SLG
Trade chart: Mid B

ATL has C Christian Bethancourt already called up and he looks like the future. He's 22 with B POT and 65 OVR. Heredia would be a great fit for them because they love their pitchers. Just another piece to their system.

COL C Jordan Pacheco (28 yrs old C POT 75 OVR - 1 yr @ $500k)
Stats: 32/115 (.278) - 3 HR - 16 RBI - .317 OBP - .443 SLG
Trade chart: High C

He's a backup right now who can fill in other places. He would be an upgrade over what I have and could bridge the gap until McGuire makes it to the show. He would be cheaper at the moment which is nice. I could give them an arm like SP Casey Sadler (High C) and if I had to go one step above I'd give them SP Clay Holmes (Low B).

Dream idea: COL gives up and gets rid of Rosario
C Wilin Rosario (25 yrs old 83 OVR B POT - 1 yr @ $910k)
Stats: 53/214 (.248) - 9 HR - 32 RBI - .284 OBP - .425 SLG
Trade sheet: Mid B, Low B, High C

I have the pieces in Heredia/McGuire/RF Harold Ramirez (19 yrs old B POT 51 OVR)

They are pretty weak in the OF in their system and McGuire potentially takes over C and Heredia is big arm in their system.

There are 4 possible deals. Would love to hear what's fair and what's not. I'd like to not hear what is real in real life because this is the vacuum of my dynasty. R. Martin didn't go down for the season with the Pirates in real life so they don't have to hit the panic button! However if something is hands down completely out of the realm of possibility (maybe Rosario) then I'd like to hear it. But not something that isn't definitive.

Thanks!

[hampshirestags]

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McKinney might have been in the Top-100 at the time, but he isn't any more at least not on MLB.com

As far as the Top-10 prospects being traded all the time even after their service time starts, that would be again Top-10 on their team but not the Top-10 in all of baseball. If so I would like to know who. Russell is the only one I know of in recent years

The Angels dealt half of their Top-10 away this year, but those guy's where no where close to being in the Top-100, let alone probably the Top-250, as they have the worst farm system in baseball.

T. Lindsey (LAA-SD) was/is #93. My bad on Mckinney, you are right.

Wil Myers, Trevor Bauer, Tyler Skaggs, Travis d'Arnaud, Jesus Montero, and Jacob Turner are all good examples of top 10 prospects being traded within the last couple of years.

[hampshirestags]

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Padres: 37-30 (3.5 GB division, 1st in WC race)
Marlins: 31-36 (4.0 GB division, 6.0 GB WC)

Neither team is really in position to just start selling. The NL East is weak so the Marlins still have a shot.

Other possible options: Atlanta (26-41), Philadelphia (28-38), Colorado (28-40), Minnesota (27-39)

I really feels this best fits the philosophy of the Astros as they will get two 19-year old prospects who are projected to be starters. C Reese McGuire is a 64 OVR as a 19 year old with low B potential. He's a left handed bat and his durability is already 76. SP Luis Heredia is a 6-7 240 lb RHP who has five pitches and projects to be a very hard thrower. He's currently a 58 OVR but his POT is mid B.

Plus I don't think the Astros are going to want to sign Castro after the season if they have no plans of winning in the next few years, which it doesn't look like they have a shot.



Other options:

ATL Evan Gattis (27 yrs old B POT 80 OVR - 1 yr @ $860k)
Stats: 47/199 (.236) - 11 HR - 29 RBI - .290 OBP - .447 SLG
Trade chart: Mid B

ATL has C Christian Bethancourt already called up and he looks like the future. He's 22 with B POT and 65 OVR. Heredia would be a great fit for them because they love their pitchers. Just another piece to their system.

COL C Jordan Pacheco (28 yrs old C POT 75 OVR - 1 yr @ $500k)
Stats: 32/115 (.278) - 3 HR - 16 RBI - .317 OBP - .443 SLG
Trade chart: High C

He's a backup right now who can fill in other places. He would be an upgrade over what I have and could bridge the gap until McGuire makes it to the show. He would be cheaper at the moment which is nice. I could give them an arm like SP Casey Sadler (High C) and if I had to go one step above I'd give them SP Clay Holmes (Low B).

Dream idea: COL gives up and gets rid of Rosario
C Wilin Rosario (25 yrs old 83 OVR B POT - 1 yr @ $910k)
Stats: 53/214 (.248) - 9 HR - 32 RBI - .284 OBP - .425 SLG
Trade sheet: Mid B, Low B, High C

I have the pieces in Heredia/McGuire/RF Harold Ramirez (19 yrs old B POT 51 OVR)

They are pretty weak in the OF in their system and McGuire potentially takes over C and Heredia is big arm in their system.

There are 4 possible deals. Would love to hear what's fair and what's not. I'd like to not hear what is real in real life because this is the vacuum of my dynasty. R. Martin didn't go down for the season with the Pirates in real life so they don't have to hit the panic button! However if something is hands down completely out of the realm of possibility (maybe Rosario) then I'd like to hear it. But not something that isn't definitive.

Thanks!

I really like the Pacheco option. So much so I'm not sure I want to comment on the Rosario deal. All kinds of options with Pacheco and Reese should be ready'ish' by 2016 when either he or Martin outlive their usefulness. And he's comparably cheap!

Thinking more on it, I suppose you could 'buy' Rosario with what you have but realism tells me that he might be the only star left there in a year.