I don't think the Sox would be making the team much worse if they got a package centered about Kris Bryant back for Sale. Yes the pitching would take a hit. But Bryant is being talked about as the next great power hitter in a sport where power is starting to fall.
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I don't think the Sox would be making the team much worse if they got a package centered about Kris Bryant back for Sale. Yes the pitching would take a hit. But Bryant is being talked about as the next great power hitter in a sport where power is starting to fall. -
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I'm not referring to Sale in particular when I say that. I am saying you don't let fans dictate what you do. If keeping Sale is the right thing, do that. If it's trading him for what you perceive to be an upgrade, do that.T-BONE.
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Not to wish anything upon Bryant, as I love the kid and wouldn't mind seeing him up there with Trout and Stanton, But Sale is a T5 pitcher right now. He can make a great case for a Cy Young with his numbers this year. He is much more guaranteed to be a stud, as he has shown it in an MLB setting. Bryant isn't as much of a guarantee as he hasn't even been in the majors yet. Again, I'm not saying Bryant won't be a great player (which I hope he will be), I'm just saying Sale is an elite quality in the league atm. And I wouldn't mind getting a package of Kris Bryant++ for Sale.Red Sox: 2018 World Series Champions!!!
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A) Babe Ruth to NY via Red Sox was a REAL franchise-destroying trade.
Sale is no Bambino.
B) March '92, Sammy Sosa traded to Cubs, Pale Hose wins WS 13 years later (and still before a Cub WS winner).
Sale is no Slammin' Sammy.
C) Ozzie Guillen changed the psycholgy of Sox fans. For Sale to be dealt to the Cubs all that is needed is a man with vision and the right spin to sale (pun intended) to ChiSox fans; i.e., it's better to be a groomsman with many options than a groom with only one.
Whodey, you are that groomsman with a vision. Do it!
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It's ok that you don't understand the baseball dynamic in Chicago. Most outsiders don't. The White Sox won the World Series in 2005 and the Cubs in 1908, yet the Cubs were recently appraised at double the value. Both teams have been bad lately, but the Cubs with higher ticket prices are outdrawing the Sox by 12,000 per game. The Cubs have twice as many twitter followers. Many local Sox fans have a huge chip on their shoulder--an underdog mentality--and it's been that way for 15-20 years. Sox fans would stop going to games more than they already are if Sale was dealt to the Cubs. There is no realism at all in a Sale trade to the Cubs. Zero. None. The OP can find a fair deal if doesn't care about realism.
Say the Cubs had Mike Trout & Clayton Kershaw and for some reason wanted Sale over those two, you're saying White Sox brass say no deal to that because the Sox fans don't want to conspire with the Elite?
Remember truth is stranger than fiction, otherwise Ron Santo would have never been traded from the Cubs to the Sox. As good as Sale is, if only 30,000 Sox fans are coming out to see him on the Fourth of July then he isn't the draw some people would have us believe. If the Sox had a pitcher 40,000 fans were coming out to see then we might have a player worthy of the the "franchise destroying" tag, which is where the main issue lies.
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I agree with everything here except for the reasoning of why Sale wouldn't be traded across town. The Cubs would need to overpay for a Sale trade and don't have enough fully developed talent to pull that off. Young players with tons of potential won't cut it. That's why there's no realism in a trade. White Sox fans would jump at a trade with the Cubs if they thought they were pulling a fast one over on the Cubbies.
Say the Cubs had Mike Trout & Clayton Kershaw and for some reason wanted Sale over those two, you're saying White Sox brass say no deal to that because the Sox fans don't want to conspire with the Elite?
Remember truth is stranger than fiction, otherwise Ron Santo would have never been traded from the Cubs to the Sox. As good as Sale is, if only 30,000 Sox fans are coming out to see him on the Fourth of July then he isn't the draw some people would have us believe. If the Sox had a pitcher 40,000 fans were coming out to see then we might have a player worthy of the the "franchise destroying" tag, which is where the main issue lies.
I also think that if the White Sox could get enough prospects from a different team than the Cubs, the fans might not pan that trade entirely. It certainly wouldn't help attendance, but it wouldn't be a mortal wound that dealing him to the Cubs would be.
Ron Santo has nothing to do with this and the times/situations are different. That was before the Golden Era of marketing the Cubs and Wrigley Field started to set the franchises apart. If you go back to 1980, both clubs drew 1.2 million fans, but then the Cubs and Sandberg got pretty good/marketable and they haven't looked back. The White Sox have needed to open a new ballpark and win a World Series in that time frame and still haven't kept pace with the Cubs in attendance.
If 30,000 fans are coming out to see Sale when they normally draw 20,000, then he's actually quite a draw. He and Abreu are two of the only reasons Sox fans cared during the 2nd half of the season. Now, after sustaining 2 consecutive years of bad play, the Sox and their unenthused fanbase are not in a position to deal a star player to a hated rival. If they even consider it, they've got to get the ok from Mr. Reinsdorf to go into the red for who knows how many years and deal with a fanbase that would feel betrayed.
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I'm looking to trade Jose Iglesias (89 overall)as I had an offseason where the SS position got clogged up. Although he's an elite fielding player, I'm not a big fan of his bat. Some teams looking for an SS are the Yankees (Need a replacement for Jeter), Pirates (They need a major league SS) and the Mets.
What kind of prospects could I get in return for him?
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I already have Plawecki from Rule V Draft (He was super underrated) so I honestly don't know too much outside of Rafael Montero and Dominic SmithWolverines vs. The World || DavidTheGreat's Michigan Wolverines (NCAA14)
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I'm in 2015 and looking to make a trade for Josh Reddick in my Cubs franchise. I have Baez, Bryant and Soler up and starting but I'm looking to add some more pop from the left side to go along with Rizzo.
The A's signed Granderson, Aramis Ramirez and Charlie Blackmon in the offseason so they have Cespedes, Reddick, Crisp, Blackmon, Granderson, Gentry (MiLB), Fuld (MiLB) for outfielders and Ramirez is the DH. They are currently 5 games out and Reddick is hitting .190 w/ 1 HR and 5 RBI's in limited playing time after hitting .198 with 8 HR's last year. He's also a free agent after the year.
They will only accept players like Russell, Baez, Almora, Soler. I offered them Olt or Lake who both hit in the .280 range last year with double digit HR's. Lake is at Iowa this year, didn't like that he had 14 errors last year, and Olt is hitting .300 with 5 HR's and 20 RBI's.
I try to keep my trades fair for both sides so I didn't want to force a trade without getting some feedback. Any suggestions are appreciated and I'm open to trading anyone other than my top prospects.Comment
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I'm in 2015 and looking to make a trade for Josh Reddick in my Cubs franchise. I have Baez, Bryant and Soler up and starting but I'm looking to add some more pop from the left side to go along with Rizzo.
The A's signed Granderson, Aramis Ramirez and Charlie Blackmon in the offseason so they have Cespedes, Reddick, Crisp, Blackmon, Granderson, Gentry (MiLB), Fuld (MiLB) for outfielders and Ramirez is the DH. They are currently 5 games out and Reddick is hitting .190 w/ 1 HR and 5 RBI's in limited playing time after hitting .198 with 8 HR's last year. He's also a free agent after the year.
They will only accept players like Russell, Baez, Almora, Soler. I offered them Olt or Lake who both hit in the .280 range last year with double digit HR's. Lake is at Iowa this year, didn't like that he had 14 errors last year, and Olt is hitting .300 with 5 HR's and 20 RBI's.
I try to keep my trades fair for both sides so I didn't want to force a trade without getting some feedback. Any suggestions are appreciated and I'm open to trading anyone other than my top prospects.Chicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan WolverinesComment
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