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  • redsox4evur
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    • Jul 2013
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    #7036
    Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by CameRoN0407
    Ya, trading a 25 y/o T5 pitcher, that is locked up thru virtually the 2019 season, and will only make a AAV of about $11mm will make your team better. Don't mess up a good thing while you have it.
    I don't think the Sox would be making the team much worse if they got a package centered about Kris Bryant back for Sale. Yes the pitching would take a hit. But Bryant is being talked about as the next great power hitter in a sport where power is starting to fall.
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    • Ghost Of The Year
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      • Mar 2014
      • 6383

      #7037
      Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by CameRoN0407
      Ya, trading a 25 y/o T5 pitcher, that is locked up thru virtually the 2019 season, and will only make a AAV of about $11mm will make your team better. Don't mess up a good thing while you have it.
      I'm not referring to Sale in particular when I say that. I am saying you don't let fans dictate what you do. If keeping Sale is the right thing, do that. If it's trading him for what you perceive to be an upgrade, do that.
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      • CameRoN0407
        It's a New England Thing
        • Oct 2012
        • 3328

        #7038
        Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by redsox4evur
        I don't think the Sox would be making the team much worse if they got a package centered about Kris Bryant back for Sale. Yes the pitching would take a hit. But Bryant is being talked about as the next great power hitter in a sport where power is starting to fall.
        Not to wish anything upon Bryant, as I love the kid and wouldn't mind seeing him up there with Trout and Stanton, But Sale is a T5 pitcher right now. He can make a great case for a Cy Young with his numbers this year. He is much more guaranteed to be a stud, as he has shown it in an MLB setting. Bryant isn't as much of a guarantee as he hasn't even been in the majors yet. Again, I'm not saying Bryant won't be a great player (which I hope he will be), I'm just saying Sale is an elite quality in the league atm. And I wouldn't mind getting a package of Kris Bryant++ for Sale.
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        • AC
          Win the East
          • Sep 2010
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          #7039
          Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

          Bryant could realistically be producing at Sale's level within a season
          "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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          • WaitTilNextYear
            Go Cubs Go
            • Mar 2013
            • 16830

            #7040
            Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by Ghost Of The Year
            A) Babe Ruth to NY via Red Sox was a REAL franchise-destroying trade.
            Sale is no Bambino.
            B) March '92, Sammy Sosa traded to Cubs, Pale Hose wins WS 13 years later (and still before a Cub WS winner).
            Sale is no Slammin' Sammy.
            C) Ozzie Guillen changed the psycholgy of Sox fans. For Sale to be dealt to the Cubs all that is needed is a man with vision and the right spin to sale (pun intended) to ChiSox fans; i.e., it's better to be a groomsman with many options than a groom with only one.
            Whodey, you are that groomsman with a vision. Do it!
            Cubs, you are Al Bundy, a groom married to losing.
            It's ok that you don't understand the baseball dynamic in Chicago. Most outsiders don't. The White Sox won the World Series in 2005 and the Cubs in 1908, yet the Cubs were recently appraised at double the value. Both teams have been bad lately, but the Cubs with higher ticket prices are outdrawing the Sox by 12,000 per game. The Cubs have twice as many twitter followers. Many local Sox fans have a huge chip on their shoulder--an underdog mentality--and it's been that way for 15-20 years. Sox fans would stop going to games more than they already are if Sale was dealt to the Cubs. There is no realism at all in a Sale trade to the Cubs. Zero. None. The OP can find a fair deal if doesn't care about realism.
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            • AC
              Win the East
              • Sep 2010
              • 14951

              #7041
              Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

              One would think any smart team would relish the opportunity to beat their rival in a trade.
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              • Ghost Of The Year
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                • Mar 2014
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                #7042
                Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                It's ok that you don't understand the baseball dynamic in Chicago. Most outsiders don't. The White Sox won the World Series in 2005 and the Cubs in 1908, yet the Cubs were recently appraised at double the value. Both teams have been bad lately, but the Cubs with higher ticket prices are outdrawing the Sox by 12,000 per game. The Cubs have twice as many twitter followers. Many local Sox fans have a huge chip on their shoulder--an underdog mentality--and it's been that way for 15-20 years. Sox fans would stop going to games more than they already are if Sale was dealt to the Cubs. There is no realism at all in a Sale trade to the Cubs. Zero. None. The OP can find a fair deal if doesn't care about realism.
                I agree with everything here except for the reasoning of why Sale wouldn't be traded across town. The Cubs would need to overpay for a Sale trade and don't have enough fully developed talent to pull that off. Young players with tons of potential won't cut it. That's why there's no realism in a trade. White Sox fans would jump at a trade with the Cubs if they thought they were pulling a fast one over on the Cubbies.
                Say the Cubs had Mike Trout & Clayton Kershaw and for some reason wanted Sale over those two, you're saying White Sox brass say no deal to that because the Sox fans don't want to conspire with the Elite?
                Remember truth is stranger than fiction, otherwise Ron Santo would have never been traded from the Cubs to the Sox. As good as Sale is, if only 30,000 Sox fans are coming out to see him on the Fourth of July then he isn't the draw some people would have us believe. If the Sox had a pitcher 40,000 fans were coming out to see then we might have a player worthy of the the "franchise destroying" tag, which is where the main issue lies.
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                • WaitTilNextYear
                  Go Cubs Go
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 16830

                  #7043
                  Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by AC
                  One would think any smart team would relish the opportunity to beat their rival in a trade.
                  Trading Sale would not be a clear win to Joe Sox Fan. And trading Sale to the Cubs would be worse. The problem is it's not a rational situation and most of the White Sox fanbase does not have the patience for a rebuild. I expect them to half *** a rebuild, and that might even involve trading Sale, but not to the Cubs.

                  Originally posted by Ghost Of The Year
                  I agree with everything here except for the reasoning of why Sale wouldn't be traded across town. The Cubs would need to overpay for a Sale trade and don't have enough fully developed talent to pull that off. Young players with tons of potential won't cut it. That's why there's no realism in a trade. White Sox fans would jump at a trade with the Cubs if they thought they were pulling a fast one over on the Cubbies.
                  Say the Cubs had Mike Trout & Clayton Kershaw and for some reason wanted Sale over those two, you're saying White Sox brass say no deal to that because the Sox fans don't want to conspire with the Elite?
                  Remember truth is stranger than fiction, otherwise Ron Santo would have never been traded from the Cubs to the Sox. As good as Sale is, if only 30,000 Sox fans are coming out to see him on the Fourth of July then he isn't the draw some people would have us believe. If the Sox had a pitcher 40,000 fans were coming out to see then we might have a player worthy of the the "franchise destroying" tag, which is where the main issue lies.
                  There are a lot of problems with this post. For one, adding Mike Trout and Clayton Kershaw into it is sort of random. Our whole discussion has been based on Cubs prospects for Chris Sale, not any random superstar players for Chris Sale. So, no, that's not what I'm saying at all.

                  I also think that if the White Sox could get enough prospects from a different team than the Cubs, the fans might not pan that trade entirely. It certainly wouldn't help attendance, but it wouldn't be a mortal wound that dealing him to the Cubs would be.

                  Ron Santo has nothing to do with this and the times/situations are different. That was before the Golden Era of marketing the Cubs and Wrigley Field started to set the franchises apart. If you go back to 1980, both clubs drew 1.2 million fans, but then the Cubs and Sandberg got pretty good/marketable and they haven't looked back. The White Sox have needed to open a new ballpark and win a World Series in that time frame and still haven't kept pace with the Cubs in attendance.

                  If 30,000 fans are coming out to see Sale when they normally draw 20,000, then he's actually quite a draw. He and Abreu are two of the only reasons Sox fans cared during the 2nd half of the season. Now, after sustaining 2 consecutive years of bad play, the Sox and their unenthused fanbase are not in a position to deal a star player to a hated rival. If they even consider it, they've got to get the ok from Mr. Reinsdorf to go into the red for who knows how many years and deal with a fanbase that would feel betrayed.

                  The list of star players traded from Cubs to Sox or Sox to Cubs while in their prime is basically zero.
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                  • DavidTheGreat20
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                    • Apr 2012
                    • 1445

                    #7044
                    Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                    I'm looking to trade Jose Iglesias (89 overall)as I had an offseason where the SS position got clogged up. Although he's an elite fielding player, I'm not a big fan of his bat. Some teams looking for an SS are the Yankees (Need a replacement for Jeter), Pirates (They need a major league SS) and the Mets.

                    What kind of prospects could I get in return for him?

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                    • AC
                      Win the East
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 14951

                      #7045
                      Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                      Send him to the Mets. What prospects do you like on that team not named Syndergaard?
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                      • DavidTheGreat20
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                        • Apr 2012
                        • 1445

                        #7046
                        Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by AC
                        Send him to the Mets. What prospects do you like on that team not named Syndergaard?

                        I already have Plawecki from Rule V Draft (He was super underrated) so I honestly don't know too much outside of Rafael Montero and Dominic Smith
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                        • AC
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                          • Sep 2010
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                          #7047
                          Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by DavidTheGreat20
                          I already have Plawecki from Rule V Draft (He was super underrated) so I honestly don't know too much outside of Rafael Montero and Dominic Smith
                          One of those two or Nimmo is fine
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                          • zippy2212
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                            • Jun 2008
                            • 1095

                            #7048
                            Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                            I'm in 2015 and looking to make a trade for Josh Reddick in my Cubs franchise. I have Baez, Bryant and Soler up and starting but I'm looking to add some more pop from the left side to go along with Rizzo.

                            The A's signed Granderson, Aramis Ramirez and Charlie Blackmon in the offseason so they have Cespedes, Reddick, Crisp, Blackmon, Granderson, Gentry (MiLB), Fuld (MiLB) for outfielders and Ramirez is the DH. They are currently 5 games out and Reddick is hitting .190 w/ 1 HR and 5 RBI's in limited playing time after hitting .198 with 8 HR's last year. He's also a free agent after the year.

                            They will only accept players like Russell, Baez, Almora, Soler. I offered them Olt or Lake who both hit in the .280 range last year with double digit HR's. Lake is at Iowa this year, didn't like that he had 14 errors last year, and Olt is hitting .300 with 5 HR's and 20 RBI's.

                            I try to keep my trades fair for both sides so I didn't want to force a trade without getting some feedback. Any suggestions are appreciated and I'm open to trading anyone other than my top prospects.

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                            • WaitTilNextYear
                              Go Cubs Go
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 16830

                              #7049
                              Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by zippy2212
                              I'm in 2015 and looking to make a trade for Josh Reddick in my Cubs franchise. I have Baez, Bryant and Soler up and starting but I'm looking to add some more pop from the left side to go along with Rizzo.

                              The A's signed Granderson, Aramis Ramirez and Charlie Blackmon in the offseason so they have Cespedes, Reddick, Crisp, Blackmon, Granderson, Gentry (MiLB), Fuld (MiLB) for outfielders and Ramirez is the DH. They are currently 5 games out and Reddick is hitting .190 w/ 1 HR and 5 RBI's in limited playing time after hitting .198 with 8 HR's last year. He's also a free agent after the year.

                              They will only accept players like Russell, Baez, Almora, Soler. I offered them Olt or Lake who both hit in the .280 range last year with double digit HR's. Lake is at Iowa this year, didn't like that he had 14 errors last year, and Olt is hitting .300 with 5 HR's and 20 RBI's.

                              I try to keep my trades fair for both sides so I didn't want to force a trade without getting some feedback. Any suggestions are appreciated and I'm open to trading anyone other than my top prospects.
                              The top prospects that you mentioned are too much to give. Olt or Lake is not enough.
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                              • zippy2212
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                                • Jun 2008
                                • 1095

                                #7050
                                Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                                I was trying to put together a package of one of those two plus one or two other mid level prospects. Would Lake plus Vogelbach be fair?

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