MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[mgcst5]

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yeah cleveland doesn't even consider that deal

You are vastly underrating Wisler also even though this doesn't apply to the game Masterson has had one of the most extreme velocity drop offs this year. Im not saying he isn't good but typically this is a signal of worse numbers to come.

[Rosie23]

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apparentley .260/.360/.450 20 HR 30 3B and 70+ RBI guys on long term team freindley contracts just grow on trees in baseball, news to me, last time i checked no other catcher in baseball put up that collective stat line

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I agree with Wisler, and I was reluctant to include his name. For the combination I meant Ross + Eflin. No way would I trade Wisler, I just meant in a Franchise if the Padres were playing so good, and they really liked Masterson, that the Indians would probably want Wisler or the combination above.

On the flip side, I'm not sure I would want Luebke, Kelly, or Erlin if I'm the Indians. It just seems like a bad trade for both sides, when as you mentioned, a team in a Win Now Mode would overpay for Masterson.

I agree...I wouldn't wanna give up the aftermentioned prospects for Masterson, nor would I accept less if I was Cleveland...real tough spot for both organizations involved

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apparentley .260/.360/.450 20 HR 30 3B and 70+ RBI guys on long term team freindley contracts just grow on trees in baseball, news to me, last time i checked no other catcher in baseball put up that collective stat line

nobody is doubting that he's good....I just don't think SD would wanna give up the prospects you'd want

[mgcst5]

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apparentley .260/.360/.450 20 HR 30 3B and 70+ RBI guys on long term team freindley contracts just grow on trees in baseball, news to me, last time i checked no other catcher in baseball put up that collective stat line

There is no reason for hostility. I simply am disagreeing with you on the value. You came on this forum for feedback.

As mentioned above no-one is saying he is not good but even the most desperate teams wouldn't trade there top 2 prospects for someone who isn't elite. (I understand you really like him and his numbers look great behind the plate but his defense is not good enough) his numbers still look great at third but not only are the dodgers not in the market there (Pads aren't either) but on top of that he still wouldn't be in elite territory imo

[Friar Fanatic]

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yes an average of 4 mil per year.

No. Add up $6 million, $8.25 million and $12 million and divide it by 3. That is not an average of $4 million. It is an average of $8.75 million

thats not why his stats look good, his stats look good because he is that good. Injuries are a part of baseball, and did you just talk about stealing bases for a catcher?

You were comparing him to the Dodgers players from 2013 showing he had the second best HR and RBI on the team as if that makes him better than Puig, Kemp or Hanley. I doubt this will be the case for 2014 given Kemp and Hanley play a good amount of games. When the Dodgers are missing three of their top four players, it is easy to say someone had the second best stats on their team. Carlos could play 3B as well, not just catcher. All 4 of their top hitters hit for better power and a better average. He would be about the number 5 most productive hitter on the Dodgers. They isn't a knock on Santana, but a compliment to the strong Dodgers lineup.

you can make the excuses about injuries for Kemp, but Santana has 3 70+ RBI seasons to Kemps 4, while Kemp has 4 more years on Santana, and thats with Kemp having alot more firepower around him. Ramirez has played 10 years and like Kemp, only has 1 more year of 70+ RBIs playing on more talented teams

You can try to make the case that Santana is better than Kemp all you want but I will respectfully disagree.

Like i said, Sin Shoo Choo, who didnt have any more value when he was traded then Carlos Santana does now, went for a top 5 overall prospect in baseball, plus Bryan Shaw, Drew Stubbs and Matt Albers.

They also traded Donald, Gregorius, Tony Sipp, Lars Anderson and $3.5 million dollars. Choo alone didn't bring those guys in. Choo wasn't even in the trade for Bauer. Bauer was traded for Gregorius, Sipp and Anderson.

[Rosie23]

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nobody is doubting that he's good....I just don't think SD would wanna give up the prospects you'd want

it wasn't to SD it was to LA and i still have yet to see why they wouldnt? are you saying a team would turn down the chance to add one of the games best hitting catchers over 2 prospects, one of which is projected to be a MOR and the other has a very hard time hitting lefites?

[Friar Fanatic]

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yeah cleveland doesn't even consider that deal

The Padres aren't the one trying to make a deal in this scenario. The Indians are.

[mmorg]

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Rosie23's posts are awfully similar to banned user Kipnis22's posts. Just saying.

[Rosie23]

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There is no reason for hostility. I simply am disagreeing with you on the value. You came on this forum for feedback.

As mentioned above no-one is saying he is not good but even the most desperate teams wouldn't trade there top 2 prospects for someone who isn't elite. (I understand you really like him and his numbers look great behind the plate but his defense is not good enough) his numbers still look great at third but not only are the dodgers not in the market there (Pads aren't either) but on top of that he still wouldn't be in elite territory imo

If he's not elite then baseball doens't have a single elite catcher, he's not the best but he's 100% absolutley elite and the facts prove it. its not that i really like him, its telling it how it is, i understand you dont like him or just dont watch him at all, but it is his real value if not more.

[Friar Fanatic]

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If he's not elite then baseball doens't have a single elite catcher, he's not the best but he's 100% absolutley elite and the facts prove it. its not that i really like him, its telling it how it is, i understand you dont like him or just dont watch him at all, but it is his real value if not more.

The only elite catchers are Posey and Mauer

[Rosie23]

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The only elite catchers are Posey and Mauer

That is incorrect.

[Jr.]

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it wasn't to SD it was to LA and i still have yet to see why they wouldnt? are you saying a team would turn down the chance to add one of the games best hitting catchers over 2 prospects, one of which is projected to be a MOR and the other has a very hard time hitting lefites?

If you think they would take the trade, then make it in the game. It's your game/franchise and you can do whatever you like. These guys are just offering their opinion, which you originally asked for.

[mmorg]

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If he's not elite then baseball doens't have a single elite catcher, he's not the best but he's 100% absolutley elite and the facts prove it. its not that i really like him, its telling it how it is, i understand you dont like him or just dont watch him at all, but it is his real value if not more.

Santana is an elite hitter not an elite catcher. This thread is for getting advice on possible trades and bouncing ideas of each other not arguing about every Indian's player and prospect and their respective value. It's your franchise make whatever decision you want, but please stop dominating the thread with your arguments.

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it wasn't to SD it was to LA and i still have yet to see why they wouldnt? are you saying a team would turn down the chance to add one of the games best hitting catchers over 2 prospects, one of which is projected to be a MOR and the other has a very hard time hitting lefites?

my apologies for not reading everything through...I thought it was for SD for some reason since that was the team mostly mentioned...but for LA, start off with Lee and find a couple of prospects you like not named Pederson or Seager