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  • Bobhead
    Pro
    • Mar 2011
    • 4926

    #151
    Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

    Originally posted by tessl
    In my opinion, my opinion only...

    The problem isn't dropped third strikes, it is striking out on a pitch in the dirt which the catcher blocks but that is only an indication of a larger problem. Before I got frustrated and cut back on the time I spending playing the game I took the time to play 100 games in manage mode - full counts - each game taking about an hour to play. After each game I went to pitch analysis game and recorded the data.

    • 32 chased pitches per game.

    • 14 outs per game on chased pitches.

    • 1 hit per game on chased pitches.
    That's not even far off from where it should be. Contact% on pitches outside the zone averages around 65%. So in a perfect world, of those 32 pitches, 11 would result in misses. That's 21 other pitches to account for. I don't know what the league-average BABIP is on pitches outside the zone, but since the regular BABIP is about .300, let's just say it is .250, which is certainly higher than the actual number. That would lead to about 16 outs on balls in play, actually higher than your number.

    I could complicate matters by accounting for foul balls (not counted in hits OR outs), and I did not even properly account for strikeouts, since I dont know how many of those chased pitches were for strike 3... Doing either of these things would only bring your numbers even closer in line with MLB numbers, as there are foul balls hidden within those 21 pitches, and strikeouts hidden within those 11.

    Your issue seems to be that you are underestimating just how incorrect the discipline numbers in The Show were, in previous years, and the contrast with this year is making you feel like something is wrong, when there's no evidence to suggest as such, and there is a whole lot of evidence that suggests discipline is the most accurate it has ever been (and also that it is still falling below actual MLB numbers, which goes against your entire hypothesis).

    To really make any relevant analysis, though, I would need a more complete set of data, including the total number of pitches per game, the number of chased pitches that fair contact was made on (which is given to you on the pitch analysis screen), and the number of strikeouts on chased pitches (which you would have to count). I know for a fact that foul ball rates are off, which makes it hard to statistically account for them without knowing actual numbers.

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    • KBLover
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 12172

      #152
      Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

      Originally posted by tessl
      In my opinion, my opinion only...

      The problem isn't dropped third strikes, it is striking out on a pitch in the dirt which the catcher blocks but that is only an indication of a larger problem. Before I got frustrated and cut back on the time I spending playing the game I took the time to play 100 games in manage mode - full counts - each game taking about an hour to play. After each game I went to pitch analysis game and recorded the data.

      • 32 chased pitches per game.

      • 14 outs per game on chased pitches.

      • 1 hit per game on chased pitches.
      One big data point missing: How many pitches out of the zone? I'm also assuming default sliders?

      32 chases out 40 pitches out of the zone would be far too much, percentage-wise. 32 chases out of 100 pitches out of the zone is not too bad (O-Swing% this year in the real game is 31.3%)

      14 outs and only 1 hit - so 15 results in 32 pitches? The others were K's? 17 swings and misses on 32 pitches would be too low a contact rate, but I already agree that the contact rate is too low.

      There shouldn't be a lot of hits on chased pitches. Part of why pitchers want hitters to chase is because hardly anything good happens for most hitters.

      I may be considered a "joysticker", but since I use Timing hitting, Classic pitching, and auto everything else except throwing, that's pretty much one step above manage mode, imo.
      Last edited by KBLover; 09-28-2014, 01:48 AM.
      "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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      • KBLover
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2009
        • 12172

        #153
        Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

        Originally posted by Bobhead
        There's something wrong with that first link. Is that supposed to be batting averages in each zone? Because none of the BAs are above .200, which is statistically impossible.
        I think it's H/P, or what percentage of pitches seen in that location are turned into hits.

        There's been 41,118 H on 691,486 pitches in the league. So that's 0.059 (rounded to 3 places), or nearly 6% across all zones.

        So for pitches down the middle, 13.8% of pitches seen there turn into hits. For pitches significantly down and away from the zone, only 0.2% of pitches seen there turn into hits.

        That's how I'm interpreting it. Considering that the white squares (representing near league average) are around .059, it seems to make sense.
        "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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        • tessl
          All Star
          • Apr 2007
          • 5683

          #154
          Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

          Originally posted by Bobhead
          That's not even far off from where it should be. Contact% on pitches outside the zone averages around 65%. So in a perfect world, of those 32 pitches, 11 would result in misses. That's 21 other pitches to account for. I don't know what the league-average BABIP is on pitches outside the zone, but since the regular BABIP is about .300, let's just say it is .250, which is certainly higher than the actual number. That would lead to about 16 outs on balls in play, actually higher than your number.

          I could complicate matters by accounting for foul balls (not counted in hits OR outs), and I did not even properly account for strikeouts, since I dont know how many of those chased pitches were for strike 3... Doing either of these things would only bring your numbers even closer in line with MLB numbers, as there are foul balls hidden within those 21 pitches, and strikeouts hidden within those 11.

          Your issue seems to be that you are underestimating just how incorrect the discipline numbers in The Show were, in previous years, and the contrast with this year is making you feel like something is wrong, when there's no evidence to suggest as such, and there is a whole lot of evidence that suggests discipline is the most accurate it has ever been (and also that it is still falling below actual MLB numbers, which goes against your entire hypothesis).

          To really make any relevant analysis, though, I would need a more complete set of data, including the total number of pitches per game, the number of chased pitches that fair contact was made on (which is given to you on the pitch analysis screen), and the number of strikeouts on chased pitches (which you would have to count). I know for a fact that foul ball rates are off, which makes it hard to statistically account for them without knowing actual numbers.
          In the unedited version I said this...

          The problem in my opinion is deeper than simply chased pitches but the number of outs vs number of hits on chased pitches.

          They added 14 outs with 1 hit. 55% of the time a team scored 0 or 1 run.

          My study was pre-patch. It seems to be slightly better post-patch.

          I would greatly appreciate if someone else would take 100 hours to test the game in manage mode post-patch and post the detailed results here. Meanwhile, to the topic of the thread, I plan to rent the game next year before I buy. If you believe the changes to the game have improved it then by all means purchase the game.

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          • Knight165
            *ll St*r
            • Feb 2003
            • 24964

            #155
            Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

            Originally posted by tessl
            In the unedited version I said this...

            The problem in my opinion is deeper than simply chased pitches but the number of outs vs number of hits on chased pitches.

            They added 14 outs with 1 hit. 55% of the time a team scored 0 or 1 run.

            My study was pre-patch. It seems to be slightly better post-patch.

            I would greatly appreciate if someone else would take 100 hours to test the game in manage mode post-patch and post the detailed results here. Meanwhile, to the topic of the thread, I plan to rent the game next year before I buy. If you believe the changes to the game have improved it then by all means purchase the game.
            Groan....here we go again.....why do I do it?

            This is simply not true....and just like the other thread we....I only need ONE time that it did not happen to disprove your theory.

            162 games of manage only mode games with the Mets....and I have 53 games in which either team scored only 1 or no runs(which is a flaw in your theory to begin with....it would have to be BOTH teams scoring 1 or no runs for your "suppressed" hits/runs theory to be true...a lot of those games are BIG one sided affairs(10-1.....5-0 etc...how did those other teams hit/score so much?)...

            The real Mets?...57 games with 1 or 0 runs by either team.

            Now just as you can't say that your test is proficient enough to determine a true baseline for change...I cannot either....it's one...162 game test.
            But....I do have proof that YOUR baseline is not ALWAYS the case.

            Buy or don't buy the game....but I think your bigger problem is that you focus on something you think is ABSOLUTELY not right...and you shoehorn your games/test/theories to fit that thought.
            (and worse...I know that no matter what anyone says here....you won't open up to it.)

            I'm a glutton.

            M.K.
            Knight165
            All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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            • timmermac
              Rookie
              • Nov 2010
              • 172

              #156
              Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

              If I have the money, I'm buying the game. That being said, I would like to see a complete reworking of the player card to make it look more like the High Heat series pre-2004. That would allow for the more detailed stat tracking that a lot of people (including me!) clamor for.

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              • Jgainsey
                I can't feel it
                • Mar 2007
                • 3360

                #157
                Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

                7 years or so of well above average games has already earned a 2015 purchase from me, barring any NHL 15 level nose dives.
                Now, more than ever

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                • Corymach7
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 91

                  #158
                  Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

                  Milwaukee has to be on the cover for this game.

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                  • aguero90
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 1252

                    #159
                    Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

                    Hi all! Long time no post! I'll always buy the show no matter what, but there's a couple things I'd hope to see, and one thing that I know is being looked into to see if it can be done. I'd love a more rpg type RTTS aka NBA 2k. And of course as you all know from my posts in the past, I'm dying for a new play-by-play man. The one thing I actually know they are looking into is being able to use auto fielding online. I mentioned to a dev that being visually impaired, and unable to play online because of that is important to me. I can thhrow and do everything, accept see where I have to go to get the ball. Funny note: I played online just for fun and somehow I'm 2 and 4!
                    1458, not counting playoffs, that's the number of games in a row I haven't missed! Go Yanks!

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                    • Knight165
                      *ll St*r
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 24964

                      #160
                      Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

                      Originally posted by Corymach7
                      Milwaukee has to be on the cover for this game.
                      Whelp!!.....there is two less sales now!


                      M.K.
                      Knight165
                      All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                      • jmount78
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 143

                        #161
                        Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

                        Love The Show and only have a few suggestions.

                        1. Emulate what EA did with FIFA 15 and incorporate crowd noises, chants. Would be great to get sounds from the Braves with Tomahawk Chop, the A's with their crazy sounds like cow bells, and others. This would really bring the experience to a new level.

                        2. Keep improving the physics of the game.

                        3. Make the baseball a little easier to see when it is hit during the daytime. Believe it or not there are over 40 gamers who don't have the best of sight. Make some type of option in settings to make this happen for those of us with not so great eye sight.

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                        • Bobhead
                          Pro
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 4926

                          #162
                          Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

                          Originally posted by Corymach7
                          Milwaukee has to be on the cover for this game.
                          Originally posted by Knight165
                          Whelp!!.....there is two less sales now!


                          M.K.
                          Knight165
                          Think of all the sales they'd lose if they actually put Milwaukee on the cover

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                          • Mrmagoo
                            Pro
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 669

                            #163
                            Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

                            If anybody decides to buy or not buy a game based on who is on the cover.... Well, I guess they deserve what they get... Smh

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                            • Knight165
                              *ll St*r
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 24964

                              #164
                              Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

                              Originally posted by Bobhead
                              Think of all the sales they'd lose if they actually put Milwaukee on the cover

                              Haha....and I think he's serious!!

                              So true Magoo.


                              M.K.
                              Knight165
                              All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                              • aguero90
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2013
                                • 1252

                                #165
                                Re: MLB 15 The Show: What needs to change in order for you to purchase

                                It doesn't matter much to me who's on the cover... obviously! It could be A-rod with his shirt off and I wouldn't notice!
                                1458, not counting playoffs, that's the number of games in a row I haven't missed! Go Yanks!

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