From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

[bspring3]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

In my franchise, Teixeira at 35 and Sabathia at 34 have both improved throughout the season...so it's not a thing that every player drops off at 34 like some have claimed


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[KBLover]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

I just have a problem with it seeming to be set in stone what is going to happen and there is nothing the players performance or your training can do about it.

It can't be too set in stone if I have no older players in my franchise experiencing a 10 point decline.

I don't know what the differences are between franchises but there's something going on.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

It can't be too set in stone if I have no older players in my franchise experiencing a 10 point decline.

I don't know what the differences are between franchises but there's something going on.

"Carry Over Saves?"

[bspring3]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

"Carry Over Saves?"

Mine is not a carryover save and I have some players regressing, some older players staying the same, and some even getting better (Tex and CC)


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[cmutat17]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

I've given my opinion as has everyone else and I respect that. I have a feeling that this thread could get out of hand (we've seen it before) so I won't be posting anymore about this issue. I've said my piece. I just hope that SCEA has taken a look at these progression/regression threads and can get a patch out or not, that's fine.


KBLover: Thank you for doing your own simulation. It was interesting to read and it was nice to see that you took the time to do that. Thanks again.

[KBLover]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

"Carry Over Saves?"

It would use whatever system is in place now, no?

What would change with carry over saves?

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

It would use whatever system is in place now, no?

What would change with carry over saves?

Doubtful, just wondering if a carry over save if regression had already started might continue that path the remainder of the season.

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[CujoMatty]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

We are not talking about in real life though. In his franchise he was not pitching like that. Dickey in real life could go on a good 6-8 game run and get a ratings boost in this game, but that is not even a possibility in the franchise mode which I guess is more my point. I do not care about it being dickey or whoever, I just have a problem with it seeming to be set in stone what is going to happen and there is nothing the players performance or your training can do about it.

Thank you.
I've said it before in this thread. I don't even like dickey in real life lol. But ya just like you said I'd like to have an outcome where he could be good in my video game baseball world but it sure doesn't seem possible in the long run.

[CujoMatty]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

My point is 2014 in real life Dickey finishrd the year with a 3.71 Era with a 14-13 record with 176 strikeouts I believe. SCEA SD deemed that worthy of an 84 overall out of the box for mlb 15.

In last year's game by the all star break he had regressed to a 72 with similar numbers by the all star break. Also keep in mind he was great for me till he started to regress which was just about a month in so most of the high numbers resulting in the 4 Era happened closer to the all star break than the beginning of the season. I can't honestly tell you what he was by the end of the year in mlb 14 cause I had given up on him long before that.

I guess I'm still not understanding the correlation between what is seen as realistic regression and SCEA'S rating system. If next year dickey is rated anywhere close to where he ends up in my franchise after the 2015 season than I'll accept it as a realistic regression system. But if he ends my franchise in 14 at a 67 but is rated an 80 out of the box for mlb 16 than I really don't see the argument of it being realistic.

I just think if it was toned down I could swallow it better. Him going from a 84 to a mid to high 70 would seem fair to base regression off age to me.

I would also like to point out that I do understand that the issue has to do with the fact that ratings in general are a hard thing to quantify. I don't ever look at dickey in real life and say "hmmmmm he's an 84 right now". I don't really have any other way to value him though. If I simmed games and just looked at his numbers than maybe I'd see it differently but I play every game. By june every time it's his turn to pitch honestly guys he suuuuuuuuucks.

Anyways I've said enough and I'm going to leave it alone and to be honest I've turned this thread into a dickey regression thread which it shouldn't be and I'm sorry for that. I've just struggled getting my head around it all.

[HozAndMoose]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

Just raise his ratings back up. What is so hard about that? Its your franchise do what you want.

[CujoMatty]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

Just raise his ratings back up. What is so hard about that? Its your franchise do what you want.

Nothing hard about that. I have no issue doing that either but I feel like the discussion in this thread was about if it's a good system. I'm sharing my experience and thoughts about it and that I don't think it is very good.

[KBLover]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

But if he ends my franchise in 14 at a 67 but is rated an 80 out of the box for mlb 16 than I really don't see the argument of it being realistic.

Again, rating him based on what he did in the past vs trying to guess/predict when he'll fall apart and at what pace is two different things.

I'll use Jay Bruce again - he was rated awesome in MLB14 because of what he did in MLB13. In real life, he was awful. In the game, he was (and still is) excellent. In real life, he's still pretty bad.

Is that unrealistic because he's probably rated poorer or did SCEA not guess that a 26-year-old All-Star level hitter would crap out at 28 - and in my franchise, he's 29 and rated 93/A and didn't decline like he has the last two real life seasons?

One year, that drop off will be correct in all likelihood unless he retires irl before it happens, which then makes him an outlier just like Julio Franco playing until he's 48 and literally being an above average hitter at 46, and Charlie Hough lasting until he was 46.


And, based on what I'm seeing in my franchise, the drops look pretty realistic to me.

BTW, I have a 21-year-old dropping. I created Tyler Kolek in MLB14, he's not only not progressed well at all, he's got some -1's showing up, and he's got A potential.

By contrast, Damian Boeve was in AA at the same time with Kolek, both in the upper 60's with A potential. Boeve's 16-1 at the majors and rated 90/A. Kolek can't get out of AA and is 70/A

It's not all cut-and-dry set in stone automatic.

[CujoMatty]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

Again, rating him based on what he did in the past vs trying to guess/predict when he'll fall apart and at what pace is two different things.

I'll use Jay Bruce again - he was rated awesome in MLB14 because of what he did in MLB13. In real life, he was awful. In the game, he was (and still is) excellent. In real life, he's still pretty bad.

Is that unrealistic because he's probably rated poorer or did SCEA not guess that a 26-year-old All-Star level hitter would crap out at 28 - and in my franchise, he's 29 and rated 93/A and didn't decline like he has the last two real life seasons?

One year, that drop off will be correct in all likelihood unless he retires irl before it happens, which then makes him an outlier just like Julio Franco playing until he's 48 and literally being an above average hitter at 46, and Charlie Hough lasting until he was 46.


And, based on what I'm seeing in my franchise, the drops look pretty realistic to me.

BTW, I have a 21-year-old dropping. I created Tyler Kolek in MLB14, he's not only not progressed well at all, he's got some -1's showing up, and he's got A potential.

It's not all cut-and-dry set in stone automatic.

You picked out 1 line of my whole argument and summed up what I was saying

Basically for mlb 14 and mlb 15 I've gotten to use their #1 pitcher for 2 months each year. No matter what I do or how I play he's going to suck. Than imagine how you feel when you get the next year's version and he's an 80 again but in 2 months he sucks. Is that really how it's supposed to be?

I completely realize it's hard to predict what a guy is going to be in the future but doesn't that affirm that the whole system should have them regress less drastically. Wouldn't you want to err on the side of caution in that case with less huge swings.

[HozAndMoose]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

You picked out 1 line of my whole argument and summed up what I was saying

Basically for mlb 14 and mlb 15 I've gotten to use their #1 pitcher for 2 months each year. No matter what I do or how I play he's going to suck. Than imagine how you feel when you get the next year's version and he's an 80 again but in 2 months he sucks. Is that really how it's supposed to be?

I completely realize it's hard to predict what a guy is going to be in the future but doesn't that affirm that the whole system should have them regress less drastically. Wouldn't you want to err on the side of caution in that case with less huge swings.

How does he suck? I can use Jeremy Guthrie perfectly fine and even get very good sim results and he isnt even a 70 to start with. I have had Guthrie put up a sub 3 ERA in a few of my sims.

[CujoMatty]

Re: From a 92 rating to 74 just because he's 34??

How does he suck? I can use Jeremy Guthrie perfectly fine and even get very good sim results and he isnt even a 70 to start with. I have had Guthrie put up a sub 3 ERA in a few of my sims.

Ugh dude seriously. Before you challenge my opinion of whether or not dickey sucks try it yourself and answer for yourself why he sucks. You keep refrencing other guys that have nothing to do with anything I'm saying. Dickey throws knuckle balls an 80 mph fastball and a crappy change up. You can't pick corners with him. You can't blow fastballs or change speeds with him. Your basically lobbing up meat ball after meat ball and because his h/9 tanks he gets pounded.

Guthrie SMH

I too can pitch well with lower rated guys. Sanchez is a 68 and I kill with him. But it's apples and oranges. You see me say he's a 70 and immediately feel that Guthrie is a 70 and your good with him that somehow that's the same thing all along dismissing any other points. I stated a few posts ago that simming isn't an issue. I don't sim I play every game and he's terrible. What's heartbreaking is he's awesome out of the box. I'm sure if I simmed games his stats would be fine but that's why I play out of the park baseball to sim. I play the show to play.