MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[k_mac]

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Hypothetical, what would the trade value of Prince Fielder be if he had his current stats?

For 24 million a year until 2020 and hitting less than .200, probably not much. My guess is that you'd have to take back a bad contract to get anything special. Hold on and hope he starts hitting again is probably the best option.

What is the perceived value of Ryan Zimmerman these days? Is he one of those "face of the franchise" types who has really high value? Or is he valued for what he is, an expensive guy who bats in the latter half of the lineup?

Expensive guy who's getting older and regressing who happened to be a fill in for a franchise who needed a "face of the franchise."

I don't think he is valuable, first basemen who hit less than 20 HR and bat around .250 are a dime a dozen.

[redsoxfan31]

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I think it would take either Castillo coming back to the majors and producing for a bit or the Sox eating a big deal of the contract. What are his stats in which level and what teams need OF help. He could be interesting on a rebuilding team like the Phillies, Braves, Padres etc.

I don't have the stats in front of me because I am watching the NBA Finals game but could a Rusney for Matt Kemp trade happen? They both have pretty bad contracts from their current teams' perspective. I could add midlevel prospects from BOS end to help out if need be

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I don't have the stats in front of me because I am watching the NBA Finals game but could a Rusney for Matt Kemp trade happen? They both have pretty bad contracts from their current teams' perspective. I could add midlevel prospects from BOS end to help out if need be

You know I think that could make sense. Castillo is cheaper and change of scenery could be good. Kemp's defense wouldn't be as big a deal in Boston Left Field. Maybe Kemp for Castillo plus a lotto ticket

[redsox4evur]

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I don't have the stats in front of me because I am watching the NBA Finals game but could a Rusney for Matt Kemp trade happen? They both have pretty bad contracts from their current teams' perspective. I could add midlevel prospects from BOS end to help out if need be

Where does Kemp fit in on the RS long term though, that's my only hang up. Benintendi could potentially be the starter in left next year. And I can't see the Red Sox paying 2 guys around $40 million to sit on the bench. Unless Kemp takes over as DH, which by looking at his stats wouldn't be that bad.

[redsoxfan31]

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You know I think that could make sense. Castillo is cheaper and change of scenery could be good. Kemp's defense wouldn't be as big a deal in Boston Left Field. Maybe Kemp for Castillo plus a lotto ticket

Is Michael Chavis too much of a lottery ticket for the trade? I think he's a Top 20 here in Boston still

[PandaWaffleHD]

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Where does Kemp fit in on the RS long term though, that's my only hang up. Benintendi could potentially be the starter in left next year. And I can't see the Red Sox paying 2 guys around $40 million to sit on the bench. Unless Kemp takes over as DH, which by looking at his stats wouldn't be that bad.

Kemp at DH sounds good to me. Maybe the lotto ticket would be Trey Ball, who has struggled at times but still has upside

[redsox4evur]

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Is Michael Chavis too much of a lottery ticket for the trade? I think he's a Top 20 here in Boston still

He's a near top 10 guy in Boston (10 MLB.com, 11 Law).

[Mattchu12]

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What is the perceived value of Ryan Zimmerman these days? Is he one of those "face of the franchise" types who has really high value? Or is he valued for what he is, an expensive guy who bats in the latter half of the lineup?

Expensive guy who's getting older and regressing who happened to be a fill in for a franchise who needed a "face of the franchise."

I don't think he is valuable, first basemen who hit less than 20 HR and bat around .250 are a dime a dozen.

I'm trying to figure out a good package to get Joe Ross to the Yankees, and was thinking that adding Zimmerman and/or Werth to the deal in exchange for Ellsbury plus more might be a viable framework to make the money make sense.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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He's a near top 10 guy in Boston (10 MLB.com, 11 Law).

I'm thinking Dubon (Honduran SS) or Ball. Both seen somewhere between 10-20 and could in a perfect world have value to the big league club in the future

[redsoxfan31]

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I'm thinking Dublon (Honduran SS) or Ball. Both seen somewhere between 10-20 and could in a perfect world have value to the big league club in the future

I think with Bogey penciled in at SS for the foreseeable future (extend him now DD) and Moncada eventually taking an infield position I'll go with Dubon because for some reason I still have hope for Ball, not sure why haha but I think I'm one of the few who still like the kid's potential

[PandaWaffleHD]

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I think with Bogey penciled in at SS for the foreseeable future (extend him now DD) and Moncada eventually taking an infield position I'll go with Dubon because for some reason I still have hope for Ball, not sure why haha but I think I'm one of the few who still like the kid's potential

Yeah Dubon is a lotto ticket, having seen him play in single A around here, he is a great contact hitter and solid defense, could either end up in a brock holt role or a future trade chip, he's currently hitting over .300 in single A

[redsox4evur]

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I think with Bogey penciled in at SS for the foreseeable future (extend him now DD) and Moncada eventually taking an infield position I'll go with Dubon because for some reason I still have hope for Ball, not sure why haha but I think I'm one of the few who still like the kid's potential

Moncada's sticking at 2nd, I think. Pedroia is 32, and that hand injury from either last season or 2 seasons ago has killed his production. So he could be moved soon, hell if I'm DD I consider seeing his value this offseason. Also little to no chance Bogey is signed before his FA years (Boras factor).

[redsoxfan31]

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Moncada's sticking at 2nd, I think. Pedroia is 32, and that hand injury from either last season or 2 seasons ago has killed his production. So he could be moved soon, hell if I'm DD I consider seeing his value this offseason. Also little to no chance Bogey is signed before his FA years (Boras factor).

I think Pedroia is unmovable because he's the closest thing the Sox have had to a "captain" since Tek left and a guy can dream about Bogey haha Strasburg did just sign before free agency as a Boras client, doesn't happen often but I'll take that one outlier if it's a 7 year $125-$140M contract for Bogey. I've been in love with him as a ball player since his big breakout year in Portland

[AC]

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As proven, and of course ignored by a select few in this thread, Archer produced more surplus value last year and has a ton more surplus value over the course of his contract. Therefore, and this is what started it all, Archer is arguably the most valuable pitcher in baseball.

I'm not even sure if your first statement is factual but your second definitely isn't and I stopped reading there because I'm pretty sure you're the only one who gives a **** about this

Edit: Actually, no. You managed to piss me off enough that I actually did math. That's something in and of itself, and minus the fact that you were collectively noticed to have provided a valid point you continued your condescension while simultaneously being generally wrong.



Last year's surplus value + this year's Steamer(U) surplus value. It's basic math so I assumed I could take it at face value but you're factually wrong on last year, vastly wrong on this year, and egregiously wrong in saying that over the courses of their contracts that Archer projects for more surplus value. This doesn't even adjust for scarcity. It's not close. If you're going to run around this thread being petty and arrogant then be right, please. That's what I generally aim to do.

[redsox4evur]

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I think Pedroia is unmovable because he's the closest thing the Sox have had to a "captain" since Tek left and a guy can dream about Bogey haha Strasburg did just sign before free agency as a Boras client, doesn't happen often but I'll take that one outlier if it's a 7 year $125-$140M contract for Bogey. I've been in love with him as a ball player since his big breakout year in Portland

Of his like 30 clients listed on Wiki only like 4 or 5 have signed an extension before FA, and none before arbitration, iirc.