MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Sasaki17]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

You can't get Valencia for a guy who isn't even a top 30 prospect in the 2nd worst farm system in baseball. You will have to give up an actual prospect. Someone with potential to actually make it to the majors.

As for the pitchers, again your farm is bad. And those pitchers all seem to be performing well. Either Kolek or Naylor is going to have to be there along with Stone Garrett. Young cost controlled arms aren't cheap and those 3 are all performing well.

I know Peters isn't that great IRL, but for some reason he's a B prospect in the roster I'm using. I think I'll just drop him to a C and turn him into Justin Jacome or something.

Do you think Lilek for Valencia would be a fair swap, or would I have to add another small piece?

As for getting one of the pitchers, I think I could talk myself into doing Garrett + Kolek, although I would prefer to do something more along the lines of Garrett + Kendry Flores + Avery Romero if you think that makes up for the value between Kolek and Flores.

[NDAlum]

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Well I caved and after putting down my Twins chise I had to pick up another one. Just couldn't stay away from this game. Anyways I'm taking over the Padres and I'm simming the first season. Naturally they are struggling at the trade deadline but the trio of SP's have been decent.

Here's my #1-3 starters:

Tyson Ross (28 yrs old 86 OVR): 6-6 3.96 ERA 1.28 WHIP (131.2 IP 134/46 K/BB) [1-year rental]
Drew Pomeranz (27 yrs old 83 OVR): 6-7 3.85 1.43 WHIP (133.1 IP 147/69 K/BB) [2 more years after this season for cheap]
Andrew Cashne (29 yrs old 82 OVR)r: 7-7 3.03 ERA 1.22 WHIP (121.2 IP 105/37 K/BB) [1-year rental]

The best match that I've found is the Cleveland Indians. They are 57-45 and have a nice 8.0 game lead in the division. They are sporting a 3.86 team ERA which ranks 19th in the MLB. They also rank 24th in strikeouts recorded as a staff. Their offense has completely carried the team and Kipnis is an MVP candidate. None of my offensive pieces would really benefit them, except may Derek Norris if needed.

Cleveland's staff:

Corey Kluber/Danny Salazar/Carlos Carrasco are all solid 1-3. These guys seem set 1-3 but after this there is a cliff that the entire organization falls off.

#4 SP Trevor Bauer (25 yrs old 79 ovr): 6-8 5.46 ERA 1.51 WHIP (95.2 IP 84/43 K/BB)
#5 SP Cody Anderson (25 yrs old 77 ovr): 6-4 4.35 ERA 1.33 WHIP (80.2 IP 32/29 K/BB)

They could go to T.J. House who is 26 yrs old 75 ovr with a 2.80 ERA out of the pen in 74.0 IP. He has a 1.36 WHIP and 45:25 K:BB.

After that there is zero pitching that is close to MLB ready in their entire organization. SP Josh Tomlin is out with a broken hand for a while.

Their AAA rotation: Aiken (60) - Brown (63) - Merritt (61) - Plutko (63) - Lee (62)

Here's my CLE "wish list":

CF Clint Frazier
CF Bradley Zimmer
SP Brady Aiken
*Don't think I can get one of these 3...*

SP Rob Kaminsky (21 yrs old 61 ovr low B)
SP Justus Sheffield (19 yrs old 68 ovr low B)
C Francisco Mejia (20 yrs old 51 ovr low B)

A couple more teams that need a SP and in the race:
Angels
Yankees
Red Sox (Obviously great pieces here)
Rangers (SP Luis Ortiz is a nice player)
Royals
Blue Jays
Mariners

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

You are unbelievably far away from fair. Benintendi is a future superstar and isn't moving for a reliever. Plus Olivera has a TON of negative value.

Vizcaino has a lot of value but you aren't getting a guy who is a top 20 prospect in all of baseball

Braves don't have the pieces. Benintendi is only moving for an Ace, and I like Teheran but he is absolutely not an ace.

Let's get one thing straight, Andrew Benintendi is not going to be a "superstar." Some of this talk is spiraling out of control as Red Sox prospects tend to for some reason. Nor do I think an ace is the only possible return. Benintendi is good 60 FV type of prospect with a very good hit tool, but let's not get carried away.

[Jason27]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I am curious if any of you trade within your division ever? I just started a Red Sox franchise and if the Yankees are out of by the deadline I was going to target Andrew Miller and/or Brian McCann. Thoughts?

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Let's get one thing straight, Andrew Benintendi is not going to be a "superstar." Some of this talk is spiraling out of control as Red Sox prospects tend to for some reason. Nor do I think an ace is the only possible return. Benintendi is good 60 FV type of prospect with a very good hit tool, but let's not get carried away.

Well, Keith Law, Dave Cameron, and others on Fangraphs seem to believe he will be. He's projected to have a 109 wRC+ if he was called up today. I'm going to side with the experts that have seen him make his way to a top 15 prospect in 1 months. He has raked every level and there's no indication it will stop soon.

Regardless what piece would the Braves have that nets them a top 15 prospect?

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I am curious if any of you trade within your division ever? I just started a Red Sox franchise and if the Yankees are out of by the deadline I was going to target Andrew Miller and/or Brian McCann. Thoughts?

Not the Red Sox and Yankees, unless you want to overpay by a mile or its an insignificant piece

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Well, Keith Law, Dave Cameron, and others on Fangraphs seem to believe he will be. He's projected to have a 109 wRC+ if he was called up today. I'm going to side with the experts that have seen him make his way to a top 15 prospect in 1 months. He has raked every level and there's no indication it will stop soon.

Regardless what piece would the Braves have that nets them a top 15 prospect?

He'll be a fine player, but I just don't toss "superstar" around like that. For one thing, as much as I like projections, projections based on A ball data aren't that amazing. Second of all, even if he does do a 109 wRC+ in his rookie year, nothing about that screams superstar to me. McCutchen did 122 wRC+, Trout was 176 wRC+, Harper was 137 wRC+ (those are superstars) to mention a few.

I also never said the Braves could get him, but now that you've brought it up, I'm sure they could if they offered up Freddie Freeman. Teheran is probably a no.

[Sgexpat]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Your value is way off. Schwarber is more valuable than Calhoun

Fair enough Schwarber does rake in the game, seems like he puts up 30 HR seasons pretty easily. But he's a serious defensive liability.

IRL Calhoun has achieved excellent starter / borderline star levels of WAR twice (3-4 WAR), and Schwarber has not yet achieved that.

I'm not so sure that my comment was "way off" about these guys relative value, but TEHO.

[Sgexpat]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I am curious if any of you trade within your division ever? I just started a Red Sox franchise and if the Yankees are out of by the deadline I was going to target Andrew Miller and/or Brian McCann. Thoughts?

As a general rule I don't trade within the division unless its spare parts in the minors.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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He'll be a fine player, but I just don't toss "superstar" around like that. For one thing, as much as I like projections, projections based on A ball data aren't that amazing. Second of all, even if he does do a 109 wRC+ in his rookie year, nothing about that screams superstar to me. McCutchen did 122 wRC+, Trout was 176 wRC+, Harper was 137 wRC+ (those are superstars) to mention a few.

I also never said the Braves could get him, but now that you've brought it up, I'm sure they could if they offered up Freddie Freeman. Teheran is probably a no.

Trout first taste of the big he had a wRC+ of 87. Harper had 121 an Mxcutchen was a 122. He's seen as a better player by talent evaluators than Schwarber and Conforto. Who are two good examples of advanced college bats going through theor system quickly

To add another superstar, Machado had a wRC+ of only 97 his first season getting to the show. Arenado had a 77

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Fair enough Schwarber does rake in the game, seems like he puts up 30 HR seasons pretty easily. But he's a serious defensive liability.

IRL Calhoun has achieved excellent starter / borderline star levels of WAR twice (3-4 WAR), and Schwarber has not yet achieved that.

I'm not so sure that my comment was "way off" about these guys relative value, but TEHO.

Schwarber had a 1.9 WAR in 69 games. Even if you assume he only plays 120 as a catcher he's easily topping 3 and pushing 4 WAR and this was in his first 69 games as a major leaguer.

[NDAlum]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Decided to go with this trade: The San Diego Padres trade SP Andrew Cashner (29 yrs, 82 OVR B POT) to the Cleveland Indians for SP Rob Kaminsky (21 yrs, 61 OVR B POT) and C Francisco Mejia (20 yrs, 51 OVR B POT)

Cashner gives Cleveland a solid arm to bolster their rotation and is an immediate upgrade over their 4/5 guys.

Cleveland ships out a few 2nd/3rd tier prospects who are years away from the show. San Diego at least gets a couple pieces for the future as they rebuild.

If I was Cleveland I easily do this deal. I think they win and I'm cool with that.

*both CLE prospects were very low B's*

[Sgexpat]

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Schwarber had a 1.9 WAR in 69 games. Even if you assume he only plays 120 as a catcher he's easily topping 3 and pushing 4 WAR and this was in his first 69 games as a major leaguer.

my understanding is he's not a catcher anymore... if that's wrong, I completely agree I misvalued him entirely - was considering him as a poor defensive outfielder.

[Sgexpat]

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Decided to go with this trade: The San Diego Padres trade SP Andrew Cashner (29 yrs, 82 OVR B POT) to the Cleveland Indians for SP Rob Kaminsky (21 yrs, 61 OVR B POT) and C Francisco Mejia (20 yrs, 51 OVR B POT)

Cashner gives Cleveland a solid arm to bolster their rotation and is an immediate upgrade over their 4/5 guys.

Cleveland ships out a few 2nd/3rd tier prospects who are years away from the show. San Diego at least gets a couple pieces for the future as they rebuild.

If I was Cleveland I easily do this deal. I think they win and I'm cool with that.

*both CLE prospects were very low B's*

That's kind of a steal for CLE. That said, why does CLE need an even better starting rotation than they have? Its pretty ridiculous without adding another arm!

[GamecocksLaw17]

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my understanding is he's not a catcher anymore... if that's wrong, I completely agree I misvalued him entirely - was considering him as a poor defensive outfielder.

Just because he would play outfield for the Cubs doesn't mean it hurts his value to AL teams where he could play first or DH. He has a 131 wRC+ as a rookie. Most teams will deal with bad defense for a bat like his.