MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Looking at trading Gallo and Profar for Jose Quintana. Most on mlbtraderumors think Gallo and Profar aren't worth Quintana. I didn't pose it to them as a video game question. It was more on the "White Sox should sell" debate.

what do you guys think?

Real life terms is what I'm basing my opinion on.

I will preface this by saying I am a big time Quintana fan. I think if this was an option, both teams should jump on board. Quintana is pitching at a top of rotation level with a replacement level contract and he goes unnoticed behind Sale.

It might actually take a tiny bit more from Texas, but I don't think either end hangs up the phone on you. This seems to me to be a pretty fair real life offer.

[cubsgocontinental23]

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Looking at trading Gallo and Profar for Jose Quintana. Most on mlbtraderumors think Gallo and Profar aren't worth Quintana. I didn't pose it to them as a video game question. It was more on the "White Sox should sell" debate.

what do you guys think?

Real life terms is what I'm basing my opinion on.

Gallo and Profar really won't go for a #2. No matter how good Quintana is pitching he'll never be an ace. I may be undervaluing him because he's on the sox, just don't think he can pitch much better at this point. He is a real model for consistency though. I will give him that.

[Still2REal]

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Gallo and Profar really won't go for a #2. No matter how good Quintana is pitching he'll never be an ace. I may be undervaluing him because he's on the sox, just don't think he can pitch much better at this point. He is a real model for consistency though. I will give him that.

Quintana has outperformed Cole Hamels this year and the last 2, for about $12M less annually.

A team can have multiple "Aces". Only one person can start the first game of the season and playoff matchups

I will preface this by saying I am a big time Quintana fan. I think if this was an option, both teams should jump on board. Quintana is pitching at a top of rotation level with a replacement level contract and he goes unnoticed behind Sale.

It might actually take a tiny bit more from Texas, but I don't think either end hangs up the phone on you. This seems to me to be a pretty fair real life offer.

Good to hear we are on the same page for once regarding Gallo and Profar LOL. I had also included Brett Lawrie from Chicago to help offset Profar's depth and versatility but I was told the rangers wouldnt want him and the Sox dont need to give him

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Gallo and Profar really won't go for a #2. No matter how good Quintana is pitching he'll never be an ace. I may be undervaluing him because he's on the sox, just don't think he can pitch much better at this point. He is a real model for consistency though. I will give him that.

Before factoring in contracts, since 2014 only 6 pitchers have accumulated more WAR than Quintana. Kershaw, Kluber, Arrieta, Price, Scherzer and Sale. That means Quintana has accumulated more than Greinke, Lester, Bumgarner, Cueto, Keuchel, Archer, deGrom, Strasburg, etc.

So he has shown basically a 5 WAR talent level which is pretty dang high. When you add in the super low contract it will take an "ace" level return, and frankly it should since he is pitching like an "ace"

[Tmizzle]

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Before factoring in contracts, since 2014 only 6 pitchers have accumulated more WAR than Quintana. Kershaw, Kluber, Arrieta, Price, Scherzer and Sale. That means Quintana has accumulated more than Greinke, Lester, Bumgarner, Cueto, Keuchel, Archer, deGrom, Strasburg, etc.

So he has shown basically a 5 WAR talent level which is pretty dang high. When you add in the super low contract it will take an "ace" level return, and frankly it should since he is pitching like an "ace"

I was looking at Quintina in my Twins chise as well but he has been a beast

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I was looking at Quintina in my Twins chise as well but he has been a beast

Yeah, a trade of a guy like that in the same division probably starts with Sano and I don't think you want to do that

This is adding for the "tax" of a same division trade not saying Sano for Quintana is fair valye in a vacuum

[CBoller1331]

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Looking at trading Gallo and Profar for Jose Quintana. Most on mlbtraderumors think Gallo and Profar aren't worth Quintana. I didn't pose it to them as a video game question. It was more on the "White Sox should sell" debate.

what do you guys think?

Real life terms is what I'm basing my opinion on.

Definitely need to know how Quintana is pitching, how Gallo and Profar are hitting, and how each team is performing (also how bad the Rangers' pitching has been)

I really like Quintana, and we can get into a huge debate about whether he's an ace

Spoiler

(please don't)

, but I don't know if he's worth both of the Ranger's most valuable trade pieces. I do like the fit though.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Good to hear we are on the same page for once regarding Gallo and Profar LOL. I had also included Brett Lawrie from Chicago to help offset Profar's depth and versatility but I was told the rangers wouldnt want him and the Sox dont need to give him

I will abstain from the is Gallo + Profar worth Quintana? part as I can see both sides. But, allow me to agree that I don't think Lawrie is a fit for Texas. Profar is mostly playing 1B right now because they have a crowded infield otherwise Beltre/Andrus/Odor. Lawrie is only a fit if there are injuries. Adam LaRoche would be a better fit, but oh wait...

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Definitely need to know how Quintana is pitching, how Gallo and Profar are hitting, and how each team is performing (also how bad the Rangers' pitching has been)

I really like Quintana, and we can get into a huge debate about whether he's an ace

Spoiler

(please don't)

, but I don't know if he's worth both of the Ranger's most valuable trade pieces. I do like the fit though.

$37.7 million left on the contract if the options are picked up. So surplus value wise we are looking at something like 8$ per WAR x 5WAR avg x 4.5 years = $180 x 90% (for risk of injury) - $37.7 = Thats $124 million in surplus value. Thats a top-10 prospect plus another top end prospect. He might have as much value as Sale, but no one talks about him for some reason

[KBLover]

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Manny Delcarmen?

Oil Can Boyd?

Daisuke Matsuzaka?

Aaron Sele?

John Wasdin?

Whatever do you mean? Quality through and through.

Don't know much about the first two but Matsuzaka was really disappointing to me. Got the crappy version of Nomo with him

Sele and Wasdin used to drive me up a wall. My goodness I couldn't stand either of them.

Tim Wakefield is probably the only Red Sox pitcher I've really liked and most of that is because he's a knuckleballer and that automatically gets you some points in my book. So maybe Steve Sparks will be the next.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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The only knock I can see, and this might not even be a negative, is that Quintana's HR/FB% has been substantially lower than average for 3 years running. You can either see that as impressive, especially considering that he pitches in a band box, or you can see that as an area ripe for regression to the mean. For example his FIP is 3.53 this year, but his xFIP is a half-run higher than that. And fWAR is FIP-based.

[KBLover]

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The only knock I can see, and this might not even be a negative, is that Quintana's HR/FB% has been substantially lower than average for 3 years running. You can either see that as impressive, especially considering that he pitches in a band box, or you can see that as an area ripe for regression to the mean. For example his FIP is 3.53 this year, but his xFIP is a half-run higher than that. And fWAR is FIP-based.

It's 9.4% so far this year so that might be happening already with the rate coming up a bit.

The combo of that and a rising FB% (up to 40%) might cause his HR to go up, might be what xFIP is looking at?

On the plus side, though, IFFB% has also gone up so perhaps some of those flies might be IFFB, which are the next best things to K's.

[KBLover]

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Just checked Quintana (I keep thinking Carlos Quintana lol) in my franchise... not "great" but pretty solid - 3.8 FIP, 3.5 ERA, 1.2 WAR in 82 IP.

Poor guy is only 3-9.

[redsoxfan31]

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I'm looking to upgrade the Sox rotation in the offseason, what could a package of JBJ, Devers, and Swihart get me for starting pitching? I know that's not enough to buy in the elite (Chris Sale/Jose Fernandez aisle) but what aisle could I shop in?

[Tmizzle]

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I'm looking to upgrade the Sox rotation in the offseason, what could a package of JBJ, Devers, and Swihart get me for starting pitching? I know that's not enough to buy in the elite (Chris Sale/Jose Fernandez aisle) but what aisle could I shop in?

Why does everyone want to trade Swihart lol